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+x+x+xLets see if I got this right, please amend, add anything I missed or overly determined. Gets my overall vote of approval and we are in a slump so we need to do some things. The missing link is P & R but its not as easy to solve as many assume. My reading, of the Australian article has a few highlights,. First the clubs will choose the best markets to put new teams. I like the idea as it makes a lot of sense, and it would appear 3 possible expansion areas have been identified, first is a second Brisbane team and IMO a lock, second is Canberra and again a lock IMO, third Auckland and could happen. 16 Teams Perfect 30 rounds add international breaks and a extended final series and you have close to a 40 week season.’ Football Specific stadiums or controlled stadiums seem to be wanted.
Can only agree. Taken from the OZ, as it’s a paragraph “””” It’s understood the competition’s best marketers have been plucked from several clubs to work with high-profile advertising agency Saatchi & Saatchi on a campaign set to feature a season theme targeting kids.’””” That’s sounds excellent and also taken from the OZ on the same theme is “”a catchy new season theme is at the heart of a digital-led drive to reignite awareness.’ They also want the 16 team competition in place in two years if possible maybe three years but to be ready when the existing Fox deal runs out which again I think is smart.
Other Review salary cap and have transfer fees.
WHATS MISSING The missing link is P & R. Then again I can see what the clubs are saying we have sunk $$$ into establishing the league, why should we run the risk of losing that investment. There is no easy solution if you want P & R, because today IMO the Football market in Australia is not engaged enough to support such a model at professional levels. We need to accept how much money and effort some clubs have gone too and to expect them to run the risk of being regulated in say two or three years will simply never P & R get up. We need in time to move to P & R, and this does not mean in 25 years. Whats needed IMO is some kind of working group / committee to establish how and when we introduce P & R. I think most fans if they see how and when P & R will be introduced and its within say 7 years will give it support. Whats equally needed so P & R can get off the ground is a strong second division, and that’s difficult if they have to wait 7 years before they get a chance at the big time. I will only answer this post with regards to P & R. No doubt the clubs are reluctant to have P & R, however as much as they like to think they own football they dont. Over the years plenty of clubs have sunk millions of dollars into football and they don't even get a chance to compete. In fact no one else does. What a cosie situation for the current clubs, they already know that this cartel cant continue. They not only have to convince the fans but they also have to convince NPL clubs and new investors plus FIFA on the merits of continuing the status quo. Pretty hard to do when the threat of a normalisation committee was already threatening over the football landscape over a different issue. Who is to say this wont happen again, especially since the fans and others I have mentioned are itching for P & R. In my honest opinion it would be better if the clubs to work towards that goal rather than fight it because it is not only in their long term interests to do so, it is in the best interests of football as a whole. What is lost on some posters and the A-league clubs is not the potential millions to lose but the potential millions to gain by having P &R. By opening up the tiers you are also opening up the opportunity for a sustainable model and one which will actually spur investment in football along all tiers of the pyramid. This will create a domino effect of investment as ALL clubs seek to outdo each other in order to work towards or remain in the top tier. We have already seen this situation come about In India recently and it wouldn't take much effort on behalf of all the clubs to enable this to occur if they decide to go that route. The A-league clubs need to be aware and I am sure they are that they are facing the inevitable. Regarding P & R, you don’t need to convince me of its merits, anyone with half a brain can see it. Your point about other clubs have also invested is excellent and very true. We disagree about timing principally and even that is a relatively small difference. Roughly twelve months ago the then head and now Macarthur FC CEO said P & R was at least 5 years away as that was the time needed to establish the second division at a level where in his opinion P & R could operate. Given a year has passed so I guess its 4 years now. But deep down in my soul, I don’t believe as things are today that Australian Football fans are sufficiently engaged enough with Australian Football for P & R to work. Whats needed is a behavioural shift in attitudes pertaining to Australian Football. Roughly four years ago I read a study that showed the percentage of screens watchers of the codes players, AFL, Rugby & League enjoyed about the same which was 86% of their players watched their games. In Football it was 16%. Take an average team of say 16 players and 16%, and you have on average about two and a half players per side who will talk and engage others about Australian Football. Lift that percentage to around 30% and you now have on average 5 players in the team of 16. Behavioural scientist will tell you once you reach the 5 in 16, group dynamics change and growth normally increases quickly. Again this is my opinion but my deep down in my soul my belief is increasing that viewing pattern is best achieved via the local park team committees and to get to these committees we need to engage with regional associations. Once the engagement takes place and behavioural shifts take place, P & R will be the chief driving force and Football will expand very rapidly. However as it stands today I don’t think enough people are sufficiently engaged with Australian Football to make P & R effective. Spot on.
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+x+x+xLets see if I got this right, please amend, add anything I missed or overly determined. Gets my overall vote of approval and we are in a slump so we need to do some things. The missing link is P & R but its not as easy to solve as many assume. My reading, of the Australian article has a few highlights,. First the clubs will choose the best markets to put new teams. I like the idea as it makes a lot of sense, and it would appear 3 possible expansion areas have been identified, first is a second Brisbane team and IMO a lock, second is Canberra and again a lock IMO, third Auckland and could happen. 16 Teams Perfect 30 rounds add international breaks and a extended final series and you have close to a 40 week season.’ Football Specific stadiums or controlled stadiums seem to be wanted.
Can only agree. Taken from the OZ, as it’s a paragraph “””” It’s understood the competition’s best marketers have been plucked from several clubs to work with high-profile advertising agency Saatchi & Saatchi on a campaign set to feature a season theme targeting kids.’””” That’s sounds excellent and also taken from the OZ on the same theme is “”a catchy new season theme is at the heart of a digital-led drive to reignite awareness.’ They also want the 16 team competition in place in two years if possible maybe three years but to be ready when the existing Fox deal runs out which again I think is smart.
Other Review salary cap and have transfer fees.
WHATS MISSING The missing link is P & R. Then again I can see what the clubs are saying we have sunk $$$ into establishing the league, why should we run the risk of losing that investment. There is no easy solution if you want P & R, because today IMO the Football market in Australia is not engaged enough to support such a model at professional levels. We need to accept how much money and effort some clubs have gone too and to expect them to run the risk of being regulated in say two or three years will simply never P & R get up. We need in time to move to P & R, and this does not mean in 25 years. Whats needed IMO is some kind of working group / committee to establish how and when we introduce P & R. I think most fans if they see how and when P & R will be introduced and its within say 7 years will give it support. Whats equally needed so P & R can get off the ground is a strong second division, and that’s difficult if they have to wait 7 years before they get a chance at the big time. I will only answer this post with regards to P & R. No doubt the clubs are reluctant to have P & R, however as much as they like to think they own football they dont. Over the years plenty of clubs have sunk millions of dollars into football and they don't even get a chance to compete. In fact no one else does. What a cosie situation for the current clubs, they already know that this cartel cant continue. They not only have to convince the fans but they also have to convince NPL clubs and new investors plus FIFA on the merits of continuing the status quo. Pretty hard to do when the threat of a normalisation committee was already threatening over the football landscape over a different issue. Who is to say this wont happen again, especially since the fans and others I have mentioned are itching for P & R. In my honest opinion it would be better if the clubs to work towards that goal rather than fight it because it is not only in their long term interests to do so, it is in the best interests of football as a whole. What is lost on some posters and the A-league clubs is not the potential millions to lose but the potential millions to gain by having P &R. By opening up the tiers you are also opening up the opportunity for a sustainable model and one which will actually spur investment in football along all tiers of the pyramid. This will create a domino effect of investment as ALL clubs seek to outdo each other in order to work towards or remain in the top tier. We have already seen this situation come about In India recently and it wouldn't take much effort on behalf of all the clubs to enable this to occur if they decide to go that route. The A-league clubs need to be aware and I am sure they are that they are facing the inevitable. However as it stands today I don’t think enough people are sufficiently engaged with Australian Football to make P & R effective. A stand alone league with multi million dollars teams paid for out of a central pool of funds AFL / NRL style (as we have) is far costlier than a league with P/R There is a reason why we havent moved past 10 teams, and if it wasnt for a desperate attempt from the FFA to grab $5m Foxsports money before giving up the league we still wouldnt have seen it A second tier doesnt have to be fully professional with a TV deal and self sustaining crowds. We will never be in a position where a second division will have the interest of a first division. A second tier is a low cost league for player development that fringe teams can drop in and out of and in early stages will resemble the youth league in its first format I dont buy this BS that we cant afford to have a low cost second tier, and instead have to settle for 16 fully professional teams of the same size paid for out of a central bucket
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+x+x+x+xLets see if I got this right, please amend, add anything I missed or overly determined. Gets my overall vote of approval and we are in a slump so we need to do some things. The missing link is P & R but its not as easy to solve as many assume. My reading, of the Australian article has a few highlights,. First the clubs will choose the best markets to put new teams. I like the idea as it makes a lot of sense, and it would appear 3 possible expansion areas have been identified, first is a second Brisbane team and IMO a lock, second is Canberra and again a lock IMO, third Auckland and could happen. 16 Teams Perfect 30 rounds add international breaks and a extended final series and you have close to a 40 week season.’ Football Specific stadiums or controlled stadiums seem to be wanted.
Can only agree. Taken from the OZ, as it’s a paragraph “””” It’s understood the competition’s best marketers have been plucked from several clubs to work with high-profile advertising agency Saatchi & Saatchi on a campaign set to feature a season theme targeting kids.’””” That’s sounds excellent and also taken from the OZ on the same theme is “”a catchy new season theme is at the heart of a digital-led drive to reignite awareness.’ They also want the 16 team competition in place in two years if possible maybe three years but to be ready when the existing Fox deal runs out which again I think is smart.
Other Review salary cap and have transfer fees.
WHATS MISSING The missing link is P & R. Then again I can see what the clubs are saying we have sunk $$$ into establishing the league, why should we run the risk of losing that investment. There is no easy solution if you want P & R, because today IMO the Football market in Australia is not engaged enough to support such a model at professional levels. We need to accept how much money and effort some clubs have gone too and to expect them to run the risk of being regulated in say two or three years will simply never P & R get up. We need in time to move to P & R, and this does not mean in 25 years. Whats needed IMO is some kind of working group / committee to establish how and when we introduce P & R. I think most fans if they see how and when P & R will be introduced and its within say 7 years will give it support. Whats equally needed so P & R can get off the ground is a strong second division, and that’s difficult if they have to wait 7 years before they get a chance at the big time. I will only answer this post with regards to P & R. No doubt the clubs are reluctant to have P & R, however as much as they like to think they own football they dont. Over the years plenty of clubs have sunk millions of dollars into football and they don't even get a chance to compete. In fact no one else does. What a cosie situation for the current clubs, they already know that this cartel cant continue. They not only have to convince the fans but they also have to convince NPL clubs and new investors plus FIFA on the merits of continuing the status quo. Pretty hard to do when the threat of a normalisation committee was already threatening over the football landscape over a different issue. Who is to say this wont happen again, especially since the fans and others I have mentioned are itching for P & R. In my honest opinion it would be better if the clubs to work towards that goal rather than fight it because it is not only in their long term interests to do so, it is in the best interests of football as a whole. What is lost on some posters and the A-league clubs is not the potential millions to lose but the potential millions to gain by having P &R. By opening up the tiers you are also opening up the opportunity for a sustainable model and one which will actually spur investment in football along all tiers of the pyramid. This will create a domino effect of investment as ALL clubs seek to outdo each other in order to work towards or remain in the top tier. We have already seen this situation come about In India recently and it wouldn't take much effort on behalf of all the clubs to enable this to occur if they decide to go that route. The A-league clubs need to be aware and I am sure they are that they are facing the inevitable. However as it stands today I don’t think enough people are sufficiently engaged with Australian Football to make P & R effective. A stand alone league with multi million dollars teams paid for out of a central pool of funds AFL / NRL style (as we have) is far costlier than a league with P/R There is a reason why we havent moved past 10 teams, and if it wasnt for a desperate attempt from the FFA to grab $5m Foxsports money before giving up the league we still wouldnt have seen it A second tier doesnt have to be fully professional with a TV deal and self sustaining crowds. We will never be in a position where a second division will have the interest of a first division. A second tier is a low cost league for player development that fringe teams can drop in and out of and in early stages will resemble the youth league in its first format I dont buy this BS that we cant afford to have a low cost second tier, and instead have to settle for 16 fully professional teams of the same size paid for out of a central bucket Agree “central buckets” don’t work. NSD can and will thrive if it’s given the freedom to do it properly, not be hamstrung by central administrators who only give the league 5 minutes of thought during the working week.
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The first 100 days of a new administration are the most crucial. Goodwill is strong, optimism soars, ideas are plentiful and motivation is high as the new leaders of a business seek to impose their stamp. They are allowed to fly kites and throw out new plans and suggestions. But they can't live in a conceptual ivory tower. They have to start, if not delivering, then putting in place the processes that will allow them to produce the outcomes they have promised.
For the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA) – the umbrella body for the clubs that now control the A-League – those first hundred days represent a great opportunity to roll out a new vision and philosophy. To their credit they are wasting little time since they took the reins, which is just as well given the state of the game at present, with stagnating crowds, television audiences falling (or migrating to streaming services) and a general sense of ennui having developed about the way the A-League is operating. They have a mountain of work to do if they are to achieve their aim of rebuilding and rebranding the A-League so that the sport can generate the kind of revenues required to lift it to the level that it needs to be to compete in the marketplace. The league should get an immediate interest boost this season with the inclusion of Western United, which is seeking to build its identity not just in Tarneit, Geelong and Werribee, but also in all suburbs and regions west of the Westgate Bridge. Western has assembled what looks like a useful squad with some well-credentialled veterans and some promising youngsters, so they can be expected to be competitive from the outset. But one new club won't solve all the problems – especially as no one knows just how many fans Western will attract and whether they will prove a drawcard on Fox's television broadcasts or on the streaming services that are now complementing (or replacing) viewers watching on traditional broadcast platforms. Heavy investment in marketing has been promised by the new, yet-to-be-named entity that will control the league. That's gratifying to hear, as it is not before time. Club owners, who now call the shots, have been seething about the lack of promotion and sizzle in Football Federation Australia's sales pitch for the A-League in recent years. There have been few memorable campaigns, and certainly nothing to match the groundbreaking and stylish "paint splatter" series of commercials that accompanied the inaugural season kick-off in 2004. The club chiefs know, however, that a few splashy TV commercials will not be enough. There has to be a sustained policy of engagement with existing supporters who have become jaded and a push towards re-engagement with those who have abandoned supporting their clubs in recent years. How best to do that? Opinions vary. Many people believe signing big names is the answer, and some club chiefs will undoubtedly try to line up a well-known face from Europe in the two months remaining before the season kicks off. Such players undoubtedly provide a sugar hit and will lift audiences and ratings in the short term. But they will only continue to do so as long as they are performing on the pitch. And that is not always the case, even though exceptions such as Dwight Yorke, Alessandro Del Piero and Shinji Ono do suggest that they can play a major role if they arrive in good shape and motivated to perform rather than just to pick up a healthy wage packet. Others – and I tend to be in this group – believe signing talented players rather than big names can have more long-term value and make a telling contribution. After all, who but serious soccer fans had heard of players such as Carlos Hernandez (Melbourne Victory), Marcos Flores (Adelaide), Thomas Broich (Brisbane), Diego Castro (Perth), Milos Ninkovic and Adrian Mierzejewski (Sydney FC) and Roy Krishna (Wellington) before they came to the A-League? Yet all of the above became Johnny Warren Medal winners and arguably contributed far more than several bigger names whose influence did not match the reputation that preceded them. The clock is ticking. The 100 days will run out just after the season kicks off. Plenty needs to be done.”
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/one-in-a-hundred-chance-to-set-a-league-right-20190816-p52hw2.html
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+x+x+xLets see if I got this right, please amend, add anything I missed or overly determined. Gets my overall vote of approval and we are in a slump so we need to do some things. The missing link is P & R but its not as easy to solve as many assume. My reading, of the Australian article has a few highlights,. First the clubs will choose the best markets to put new teams. I like the idea as it makes a lot of sense, and it would appear 3 possible expansion areas have been identified, first is a second Brisbane team and IMO a lock, second is Canberra and again a lock IMO, third Auckland and could happen. 16 Teams Perfect 30 rounds add international breaks and a extended final series and you have close to a 40 week season.’ Football Specific stadiums or controlled stadiums seem to be wanted.
Can only agree. Taken from the OZ, as it’s a paragraph “””” It’s understood the competition’s best marketers have been plucked from several clubs to work with high-profile advertising agency Saatchi & Saatchi on a campaign set to feature a season theme targeting kids.’””” That’s sounds excellent and also taken from the OZ on the same theme is “”a catchy new season theme is at the heart of a digital-led drive to reignite awareness.’ They also want the 16 team competition in place in two years if possible maybe three years but to be ready when the existing Fox deal runs out which again I think is smart.
Other Review salary cap and have transfer fees.
WHATS MISSING The missing link is P & R. Then again I can see what the clubs are saying we have sunk $$$ into establishing the league, why should we run the risk of losing that investment. There is no easy solution if you want P & R, because today IMO the Football market in Australia is not engaged enough to support such a model at professional levels. We need to accept how much money and effort some clubs have gone too and to expect them to run the risk of being regulated in say two or three years will simply never P & R get up. We need in time to move to P & R, and this does not mean in 25 years. Whats needed IMO is some kind of working group / committee to establish how and when we introduce P & R. I think most fans if they see how and when P & R will be introduced and its within say 7 years will give it support. Whats equally needed so P & R can get off the ground is a strong second division, and that’s difficult if they have to wait 7 years before they get a chance at the big time. I will only answer this post with regards to P & R. No doubt the clubs are reluctant to have P & R, however as much as they like to think they own football they dont. Over the years plenty of clubs have sunk millions of dollars into football and they don't even get a chance to compete. In fact no one else does. What a cosie situation for the current clubs, they already know that this cartel cant continue. They not only have to convince the fans but they also have to convince NPL clubs and new investors plus FIFA on the merits of continuing the status quo. Pretty hard to do when the threat of a normalisation committee was already threatening over the football landscape over a different issue. Who is to say this wont happen again, especially since the fans and others I have mentioned are itching for P & R. In my honest opinion it would be better if the clubs to work towards that goal rather than fight it because it is not only in their long term interests to do so, it is in the best interests of football as a whole. What is lost on some posters and the A-league clubs is not the potential millions to lose but the potential millions to gain by having P &R. By opening up the tiers you are also opening up the opportunity for a sustainable model and one which will actually spur investment in football along all tiers of the pyramid. This will create a domino effect of investment as ALL clubs seek to outdo each other in order to work towards or remain in the top tier. We have already seen this situation come about In India recently and it wouldn't take much effort on behalf of all the clubs to enable this to occur if they decide to go that route. The A-league clubs need to be aware and I am sure they are that they are facing the inevitable. Regarding P & R, you don’t need to convince me of its merits, anyone with half a brain can see it. Your point about other clubs have also invested is excellent and very true. We disagree about timing principally and even that is a relatively small difference. Roughly twelve months ago the then head and now Macarthur FC CEO said P & R was at least 5 years away as that was the time needed to establish the second division at a level where in his opinion P & R could operate. Given a year has passed so I guess its 4 years now. But deep down in my soul, I don’t believe as things are today that Australian Football fans are sufficiently engaged enough with Australian Football for P & R to work. Whats needed is a behavioural shift in attitudes pertaining to Australian Football. Roughly four years ago I read a study that showed the percentage of screens watchers of the codes players, AFL, Rugby & League enjoyed about the same which was 86% of their players watched their games. In Football it was 16%. Take an average team of say 16 players and 16%, and you have on average about two and a half players per side who will talk and engage others about Australian Football. Lift that percentage to around 30% and you now have on average 5 players in the team of 16. Behavioural scientist will tell you once you reach the 5 in 16, group dynamics change and growth normally increases quickly. Again this is my opinion but my deep down in my soul my belief is increasing that viewing pattern is best achieved via the local park team committees and to get to these committees we need to engage with regional associations. Once the engagement takes place and behavioural shifts take place, P & R will be the chief driving force and Football will expand very rapidly. However as it stands today I don’t think enough people are sufficiently engaged with Australian Football to make P & R effective. It seems to me there is a disconnect between A-league and park football. A-League is currently seen as something your local club can never aspire to . It is on a different planet. However if there is promotion /relegation ...all of a sudden NPL clubs can look at the A-League and dare to dream of reaching it ...all of a sudden it is achievable ! Even though most will never reach it...the possibility is there ...and that is alluring . I think that in itself could make a lot of park footballers (and their supporters ) start taking much more interest in the A-League if it is seen as part of the same football food chain.
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+x+x+x+xLets see if I got this right, please amend, add anything I missed or overly determined. Gets my overall vote of approval and we are in a slump so we need to do some things. The missing link is P & R but its not as easy to solve as many assume. My reading, of the Australian article has a few highlights,. First the clubs will choose the best markets to put new teams. I like the idea as it makes a lot of sense, and it would appear 3 possible expansion areas have been identified, first is a second Brisbane team and IMO a lock, second is Canberra and again a lock IMO, third Auckland and could happen. 16 Teams Perfect 30 rounds add international breaks and a extended final series and you have close to a 40 week season.’ Football Specific stadiums or controlled stadiums seem to be wanted.
Can only agree. Taken from the OZ, as it’s a paragraph “””” It’s understood the competition’s best marketers have been plucked from several clubs to work with high-profile advertising agency Saatchi & Saatchi on a campaign set to feature a season theme targeting kids.’””” That’s sounds excellent and also taken from the OZ on the same theme is “”a catchy new season theme is at the heart of a digital-led drive to reignite awareness.’ They also want the 16 team competition in place in two years if possible maybe three years but to be ready when the existing Fox deal runs out which again I think is smart.
Other Review salary cap and have transfer fees.
WHATS MISSING The missing link is P & R. Then again I can see what the clubs are saying we have sunk $$$ into establishing the league, why should we run the risk of losing that investment. There is no easy solution if you want P & R, because today IMO the Football market in Australia is not engaged enough to support such a model at professional levels. We need to accept how much money and effort some clubs have gone too and to expect them to run the risk of being regulated in say two or three years will simply never P & R get up. We need in time to move to P & R, and this does not mean in 25 years. Whats needed IMO is some kind of working group / committee to establish how and when we introduce P & R. I think most fans if they see how and when P & R will be introduced and its within say 7 years will give it support. Whats equally needed so P & R can get off the ground is a strong second division, and that’s difficult if they have to wait 7 years before they get a chance at the big time. I will only answer this post with regards to P & R. No doubt the clubs are reluctant to have P & R, however as much as they like to think they own football they dont. Over the years plenty of clubs have sunk millions of dollars into football and they don't even get a chance to compete. In fact no one else does. What a cosie situation for the current clubs, they already know that this cartel cant continue. They not only have to convince the fans but they also have to convince NPL clubs and new investors plus FIFA on the merits of continuing the status quo. Pretty hard to do when the threat of a normalisation committee was already threatening over the football landscape over a different issue. Who is to say this wont happen again, especially since the fans and others I have mentioned are itching for P & R. In my honest opinion it would be better if the clubs to work towards that goal rather than fight it because it is not only in their long term interests to do so, it is in the best interests of football as a whole. What is lost on some posters and the A-league clubs is not the potential millions to lose but the potential millions to gain by having P &R. By opening up the tiers you are also opening up the opportunity for a sustainable model and one which will actually spur investment in football along all tiers of the pyramid. This will create a domino effect of investment as ALL clubs seek to outdo each other in order to work towards or remain in the top tier. We have already seen this situation come about In India recently and it wouldn't take much effort on behalf of all the clubs to enable this to occur if they decide to go that route. The A-league clubs need to be aware and I am sure they are that they are facing the inevitable. Regarding P & R, you don’t need to convince me of its merits, anyone with half a brain can see it. Your point about other clubs have also invested is excellent and very true. We disagree about timing principally and even that is a relatively small difference. Roughly twelve months ago the then head and now Macarthur FC CEO said P & R was at least 5 years away as that was the time needed to establish the second division at a level where in his opinion P & R could operate. Given a year has passed so I guess its 4 years now. But deep down in my soul, I don’t believe as things are today that Australian Football fans are sufficiently engaged enough with Australian Football for P & R to work. Whats needed is a behavioural shift in attitudes pertaining to Australian Football. Roughly four years ago I read a study that showed the percentage of screens watchers of the codes players, AFL, Rugby & League enjoyed about the same which was 86% of their players watched their games. In Football it was 16%. Take an average team of say 16 players and 16%, and you have on average about two and a half players per side who will talk and engage others about Australian Football. Lift that percentage to around 30% and you now have on average 5 players in the team of 16. Behavioural scientist will tell you once you reach the 5 in 16, group dynamics change and growth normally increases quickly. Again this is my opinion but my deep down in my soul my belief is increasing that viewing pattern is best achieved via the local park team committees and to get to these committees we need to engage with regional associations. Once the engagement takes place and behavioural shifts take place, P & R will be the chief driving force and Football will expand very rapidly. However as it stands today I don’t think enough people are sufficiently engaged with Australian Football to make P & R effective. It seems to me there is a disconnect between A-league and park football. A-League is currently seen as something your local club can never aspire to . It is on a different planet. However if there is promotion /relegation ...all of a sudden NPL clubs can look at the A-League and dare to dream of reaching it ...all of a sudden it is achievable ! Even though most will never reach it...the possibility is there ...and that is alluring . I think that in itself could make a lot of park footballers (and their supporters ) start taking much more interest in the A-League if it is seen as part of the same football food chain. FFS there has been a disconnect between park Football and the professional game since 1955... The NSL clubs were beyond hopeless at it... The only person in my lifetime who was in management and run a club was Nick Tanna at Perth Glory who connected with local park teams ... WE need to do a lot of work over the next two to three years so P & R can work to its full effect
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The problem with many of the NSL clubs was not that they didn't connect with lower tier teams, it's that they connected with a very narrow base of lower tier teams, but they did connect with those extremely well.
When you run a proper football pyramid, there is no such thing as connecting with lower tier teams, those lower tier teams with ambition are trying to replace you in the top tier!
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+xThe problem with many of the NSL clubs was not that they didn't connect with lower tier teams, it's that they connected with a very narrow base of lower tier teams, but they did connect with those extremely well. When you run a proper football pyramid, there is no such thing as connecting with lower tier teams, those lower tier teams with ambition are trying to replace you in the top tier! This is a beautiful scenario then. If your club is one that has a narrow base of supporters and not willing to change then how long do you think they will last in the top tier. The football pyramid doesn't care. If you are better at running a football club whether its on the park or off the park it will be reflected where you deserve to sit in the football pyramid. As a Croatian Australian I actually dont hold much hope for clubs like Sydney United or Melbourne Knights staying in the A-league for the long term, they at least should be allowed to compete if they want and we can find out. They will quickly discover that it WONT BE EASY. Even so it will force clubs to change and be more open if they so desire. If they don't change then I imagine it will be a couple of seasons before they realise that the top tier is not for them. I could be wrong but that's the way I see it. The only advantage clubs from the NSL have is that they own their own facilities, other than that they will find it difficult to compete.
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+xThe problem with many of the NSL clubs was not that they didn't connect with lower tier teams, it's that they connected with a very narrow base of lower tier teams, but they did connect with those extremely well. When you run a proper football pyramid, there is no such thing as connecting with lower tier teams, those lower tier teams with ambition are trying to replace you in the top tier! When you talk about a proper pyramid are you including community clubs in the pyramid? If so, how do you fit in the many clubs that have multiple All-age teams. I know of clubs with 10 All-age teams in the District Associations in Sydney. In FNSW 95% of the registered players are playing community football in the District Association clubs with only 5% in clubs that are playing the game "seriously".
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+x+xThe problem with many of the NSL clubs was not that they didn't connect with lower tier teams, it's that they connected with a very narrow base of lower tier teams, but they did connect with those extremely well. When you run a proper football pyramid, there is no such thing as connecting with lower tier teams, those lower tier teams with ambition are trying to replace you in the top tier! When you talk about a proper pyramid are you including community clubs in the pyramid? If so, how do you fit in the many clubs that have multiple All-age teams. I know of clubs with 10 All-age teams in the District Associations in Sydney. In FNSW 95% of the registered players are playing community football in the District Association clubs with only 5% in clubs that are playing the game "seriously". Community leagues should stay as they are. If the community clubs decide they want to be part of the pyramid structure they can apply to be part of the state league system as clubs like Lilli Pilli experimented with a few years ago. Most will stay as they are as their main purpose is to provide as much playing time as possible to everyone and they don't need the added strain of competing in a monetarily driven competition.
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+x+x+xThe problem with many of the NSL clubs was not that they didn't connect with lower tier teams, it's that they connected with a very narrow base of lower tier teams, but they did connect with those extremely well. When you run a proper football pyramid, there is no such thing as connecting with lower tier teams, those lower tier teams with ambition are trying to replace you in the top tier! When you talk about a proper pyramid are you including community clubs in the pyramid? If so, how do you fit in the many clubs that have multiple All-age teams. I know of clubs with 10 All-age teams in the District Associations in Sydney. In FNSW 95% of the registered players are playing community football in the District Association clubs with only 5% in clubs that are playing the game "seriously". Community leagues should stay as they are. If the community clubs decide they want to be part of the pyramid structure they can apply to be part of the state league system as clubs like Lilli Pilli experimented with a few years ago. Most will stay as they are as their main purpose is to provide as much playing time as possible to everyone and they don't need the added strain of competing in a monetarily driven competition. @ chillbilly That's my thought too. FNSW should be filling the 4 NPL competitions with 16 clubs each and then look at starting NPL 5 if there is a need.
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“We're going to revolutionise the A-League, claim club chiefsA raft of proposals including a revamped home-and-away finals series, Community Shield-type clash between Champions and Premiers and mic’d up referees have already been propagated.But the message from the club bosses who now pull the levers of power is that they will look at anything and everything to lift entertainment levels, make the league more competitive and rebuild its nose-diving metrics.“This is a transformative process and we’re all working as one to get this back on the rails,” Brisbane Roar’s vice-chairman Chris Fong said.Fong is also the deputy chair of the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA), the umbrella body for the clubs.“The changes (to start this season) are going to be radical and will make the game far more interesting,” he continued.“We have to do things differently to the past - we can’t just take over and run the game the same way as before.“Right now the entire game is up for review. We’re looking at adding intrigue and value to the finals series and giving people new insights with referees possibly having mics to reveal decision-making processes. But that’s only a fraction of what we’re looking at.“Its really open slather in terms of exploring ways to give the league an immediate lift.“The games also need to be more competitive, with more at stake and less of a gap between the teams.”The air was thick with thought bubbles at a two-day summit between the club bosses last week, with other ideas like extending benches to accommodate two under-23 players, a commitment to elongating and expanding the National Youth League and re-defining the expansion criteria en route to a 16-team competition.“Regarding expansion we’re going to do our own research and identify the areas that need to grow rather than just going out and getting people to waste their time and money with a series of bids,” Fong added.“We’re in the process of trying to formulate a whole bunch of ideas. We’re starting from scratch literally ... the entire structure of the competition needs to be reset.“It’s going to be very different to what people have experienced the last few years.“It will take a few seasons but it’s going to be a massive change.”Also high on the agenda is a desire to improve the standard of refereeing, which has been under the spotlight for several seasons.“Obviously the implementation and interpretation of VAR attracted a lot of debate last season, and while we’re looking at that we also know we need to improve the quality of refereeing across the board,” Fong said.“Clubs are also taking a very serious approach to recruitment.“We all know we have to improve and now we have been given the keys it’s up to us to use them wisely.“We’re taking a revolutionary approach in how we engage with our corporate and broadcast partners in terms of giving them value for money.”Referring to expansion, and the possibility of a second team in New Zealand, Fong said: “New Zealand has been a difficult case but we have been very supportive of Wellington and that continues.“To help Wellington lift their metrics a second New Zealand team needs to be considered.“But I wouldn’t be discounting Canberra or Brisbane either, although we have stadium issues in Brisbane.“I personally feel there are other markets aside from those we have already expanded into in NSW and Victoria.“In Queensland, for example, there’s Ipswich or the Sunshine Coast.” https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/we-re-going-to-revolutionise-the-a-league-claim-club-chiefs
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So after a 2 day talkfest, the best they come up with is mic'd up refs and maybe a second team from NZ.
Thanks indy hal...
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That’s good. Fong basically said expansion will be Auckland, Canberra and SEQ. So long as the 16th team isn’t in SE Asia.
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".”The air was thick with thought bubbles" - doesnt sound like a pla. RIP HAL.
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“Regarding expansion we’re going to do our own research and identify the areas that need to grow rather than just going out and getting people to waste their time and money with a series of bids,” Fong added.Translation - 'we'll be inviting franchises so forget about anything based on merit'. Massive fuck off slap in the face for the new dawners. They do that and add another NZ team and the A-league will be dead to me.
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+x“Regarding expansion we’re going to do our own research and identify the areas that need to grow rather than just going out and getting people to waste their time and money with a series of bids,” Fong added.Translation - 'we'll be inviting franchises so forget about anything based on merit'. Massive fuck off slap in the face for the new dawners. They do that and add another NZ team and the A-league will be dead to me. Also means P & R = Never
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+xLOL So after a 2 day talkfest, the best they come up with is mic'd up refs and maybe a second team from NZ. Thanks indy hal... Already ahead of the old ffa board lol, not that that was hard.
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+x“Regarding expansion we’re going to do our own research and identify the areas that need to grow rather than just going out and getting people to waste their time and money with a series of bids,” Fong added.Translation - 'we'll be inviting franchises so forget about anything based on merit'. Massive fuck off slap in the face for the new dawners. They do that and add another NZ team and the A-league will be dead to me. Good! No tear from my eye.
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This is funny. As my dad said to an Eastern European bureaucrat when he returned years after the fall of communism: "the only thing that's changed is your hats"
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+xLOL So after a 2 day talkfest, the best they come up with is mic'd up refs and maybe a second team from NZ. Thanks indy hal...  A-League referees to wear microphonesThe Australian A-League game between Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC on Friday will see referees miked up and their decisions broadcast as part of live television coverage. The initiative will extend to other games in the A-League 2014 Finals Series and the A-League Grand Final involving sides such as Brisbane Roar, Western Sydney Wanderers, Central Coast Mariners and Adelaide United. It is the first time that referees have been miked up for this purpose in professional football although the practice has been widely used in both rugby union and rugby league. “Broadcasting is constantly evolving to give TV viewers an increasing insight into live sport and we’re excited to work with Fox Sports to take football fans closer than they have ever been with an extra microphone on the field of play,” Football Federation Australia CEO David Gallop said. “We believe the extra microphone is a significant step forward and gives fans a greater insight into what’s happening on the pitch. “Sports fans around the world are privileged to be able to hear the thoughts of the referees and we’re pleased A-League fans will be able to experience this as we move into a thrilling Finals Series.” Fox Sports CEO, Patrick Delany, welcomed the change in order for football to come in line with other sports played in Australia which already involves referees being miked up. He said: “This is a massive development for football in Australia and we applaud the FFA for working with us to bring this innovation to life. “Fans of other codes are now accustomed to hearing the reasoning for key decisions made during matches directly from the referee. Now football fans can experience that same level of insight throughout the A-League Finals Series.” Premier League referees in England wear microphones for the purpose of communicating with his assistants although their conversations are not broadcast publicly. 
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when does the marketing start?
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+xwhen does the marketing start? In 100 days time?
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+xThis is funny. As my dad said to an Eastern European bureaucrat when he returned years after the fall of communism: "the only thing that's changed is your hats" That made me spit my coffee out, post of the week.
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49 days until the start of the season and all i'm seeing is tumbleweeds
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+x49 days until the start of the season and all i'm seeing is tumbleweeds To be fair, they are brand new tumbleweeds from the brand new owners.
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+x+x“Regarding expansion we’re going to do our own research and identify the areas that need to grow rather than just going out and getting people to waste their time and money with a series of bids,” Fong added.Translation - 'we'll be inviting franchises so forget about anything based on merit'. Massive fuck off slap in the face for the new dawners. They do that and add another NZ team and the A-league will be dead to me. Also means P & R = Never Yep, that's how I read it too.
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+x+x+x“Regarding expansion we’re going to do our own research and identify the areas that need to grow rather than just going out and getting people to waste their time and money with a series of bids,” Fong added.Translation - 'we'll be inviting franchises so forget about anything based on merit'. Massive fuck off slap in the face for the new dawners. They do that and add another NZ team and the A-league will be dead to me. Also means P & R = Never Yep, that's how I read it too. P/R shouldn't be a matter for IndiA. It is a matter for the organisation that is responsible for all football, the FFA.
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+x+x+x+x“Regarding expansion we’re going to do our own research and identify the areas that need to grow rather than just going out and getting people to waste their time and money with a series of bids,” Fong added.Translation - 'we'll be inviting franchises so forget about anything based on merit'. Massive fuck off slap in the face for the new dawners. They do that and add another NZ team and the A-league will be dead to me. Also means P & R = Never Yep, that's how I read it too. P/R shouldn't be a matter for IndiA. It is a matter for the organisation that is responsible for all football, the FFA. It is. It’s also enshrined within FIFA as well. The Independent A League has a position on pro/rel already (it’s in their current participation agreements for a start) and they don’t need to go beyond that because there is nothing to promote from or relegate too at this time.
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