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+x+xWho do we think will be the squad for the first home test come 21 November? Warner starts for mine as his record in Australia is still very good. Burns opens with him. Three is a toss up between Khawaja and Labuschagne. I do think Labuschagne is more a long term 5. 4 is obvious. At 5 Travis Head still averages in the 40s in test cricket. Whilst he had some technical flaws exposed is it better to send him back to sheild or bat him in the home summer and get runs on the board. 6 depends the pitch between Mitch Marsh and Wade or bringing in someone new like a Pucovski. 7 will be Paine. Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon locks with the ball. Last spot between Starc and Pattinson. Do we contain to rotate quicks? So for me Ill say we'll see the following against Pakistan Warner Burns Labuschagne Smith Head M.Marsh/Wade/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood Obviously Burns is the only real new face from the Ashes squad. Think our best attack is Hazlewood and Pattinson opening with Cummins first change. Wouldn't mind seeing Richardson next in the pecking order, should one of them break down, or be rotated. Starc bowled reasonably well (ie. did't go for as many as expected) when he got his chance, but is generally a bit like Brett Lee IMO, great odi bowler but generally not tight enough for test cricket. Should keep him for specific conditions. I'm not sure Hazlewood and Pattinson is our best opening attack? Our best opening attack is probably Cummins as one of the new ball bowlers, but he is probably better than all the others with an older ball, so he ends up being first change.
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+x+x+x+x+xWho do we think will be the squad for the first home test come 21 November? Warner starts for mine as his record in Australia is still very good. Burns opens with him. Three is a toss up between Khawaja and Labuschagne. I do think Labuschagne is more a long term 5. 4 is obvious. At 5 Travis Head still averages in the 40s in test cricket. Whilst he had some technical flaws exposed is it better to send him back to sheild or bat him in the home summer and get runs on the board. 6 depends the pitch between Mitch Marsh and Wade or bringing in someone new like a Pucovski. 7 will be Paine. Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon locks with the ball. Last spot between Starc and Pattinson. Do we contain to rotate quicks? So for me Ill say we'll see the following against Pakistan Warner Burns Labuschagne Smith Head M.Marsh/Wade/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood Obviously Burns is the only real new face from the Ashes squad. Burns will be stop gap at best IMO but will probably get a run due to the abject failure of our openers in England, and no one else really seemingly deserving. This will be against the consensus and isn't backed by scores (it's more an intuitive thing), but the only opener from the Ashes tour that looks worthwhile persisting with is Bancroft IMO. He was done a favour in being dropped when he was, as the poms had it all over him, but I still think there is something there. He really fights and values his wicket, despite the problem playing around his front pad. He didn't score big, but generally saw off a lot of balls (I did read somewhere he averaged 65 deliveries per innings). Seems to have a great temperament for an opener. Wade has surely earned a summer at 6 after a couple of Ashes centuries. That innings in the 5th test was as gutsy as it gets. The only way M Marsh should be selected is as a bowler, batting at no.8. It's unlikely he is good enough to do this. He would make an excellent lower order batsman, but he isn't good enough to be in the top 6. If they select him at 6 again, they (selectors) need therapy. A shame our supporters get a bit down on him, he seems a nice young fella and it isn't his fault that our selectors have some delusion that he is Keith Miller. Head seems another quick scoring lefty without a great defensive technique, which won't be as big a problem on our flat wickets. Wouldn't mind seeing Pucovski get a run at 5 but it probably won't happen. He might have to wait for an injury to one of the incumbents. Think our best attack is Hazlewood and Pattinson opening with Cummins first change. Wouldn't mind seeing Richardson next in the pecking order, should one of them break down, or be rotated. Starc bowled reasonably well (ie. did't go for as many as expected) when he got his chance, but is generally a bit like Brett Lee IMO, great odi bowler but generally not tight enough for test cricket. Should keep him for specific conditions. Disagree. Hazlewood and Cummins proved they are our best strike bowlers in the Ashes. Still that was England and the decks seamed with the new Dukes. I am fine having Haze first change on the Aussie flat drop ins. These days he is far better with the older ball. Pattinson and Jhye Richardson make up rest of out pace attack. This foursome has the potential to develop into a world class attack. the only opener from the Ashes tour that looks worthwhile persisting with is Bancroft IMO. He was done a favour in being dropped when he was, as the poms had it all over him, but I still think there is something there. He really fights and values his wicket, despite the problem playing around his front pad.
Agree. He does tho have to eradicate that tech flaw before he can really cement an opening spot. Two years ago I named Bancroft and Renshaw as our long term openers..I still feel they will be unless some outstanding young turk comes along before they establish themselves. Renshaw has not been able to buy a run in the past 12 months.. his loss of form has been baffling. I want to see him absolutely own the first four Shield rounds and force himself into the opening spot for the first Paki test. I think they had detected Bancroft's technical flaw in South Africa before he ball tampered. Yep so what was he doing to correct it while on suspension? It is holding back his career.
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+x+x+xWho do we think will be the squad for the first home test come 21 November? Warner starts for mine as his record in Australia is still very good. Burns opens with him. Three is a toss up between Khawaja and Labuschagne. I do think Labuschagne is more a long term 5. 4 is obvious. At 5 Travis Head still averages in the 40s in test cricket. Whilst he had some technical flaws exposed is it better to send him back to sheild or bat him in the home summer and get runs on the board. 6 depends the pitch between Mitch Marsh and Wade or bringing in someone new like a Pucovski. 7 will be Paine. Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon locks with the ball. Last spot between Starc and Pattinson. Do we contain to rotate quicks? So for me Ill say we'll see the following against Pakistan Warner Burns Labuschagne Smith Head M.Marsh/Wade/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood Obviously Burns is the only real new face from the Ashes squad. Think our best attack is Hazlewood and Pattinson opening with Cummins first change. Wouldn't mind seeing Richardson next in the pecking order, should one of them break down, or be rotated. Starc bowled reasonably well (ie. did't go for as many as expected) when he got his chance, but is generally a bit like Brett Lee IMO, great odi bowler but generally not tight enough for test cricket. Should keep him for specific conditions. I'm not sure Hazlewood and Pattinson is our best opening attack? Our best opening attack is probably Cummins as one of the new ball bowlers, but he is probably better than all the others with an older ball, so he ends up being first change. Can not see why Cummins wont open and bowl with the older ball. On our flat drop ins I am fine for Hazlewood to be first change. You need your quickest bowlers with the new cherry to extract whatever life is in the deck. That is Cummins and Pattinson most probably..tho doubt CA is ready to jettison Starc just yet.
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+x+x+x+x+xWho do we think will be the squad for the first home test come 21 November? Warner starts for mine as his record in Australia is still very good. Burns opens with him. Three is a toss up between Khawaja and Labuschagne. I do think Labuschagne is more a long term 5. 4 is obvious. At 5 Travis Head still averages in the 40s in test cricket. Whilst he had some technical flaws exposed is it better to send him back to sheild or bat him in the home summer and get runs on the board. 6 depends the pitch between Mitch Marsh and Wade or bringing in someone new like a Pucovski. 7 will be Paine. Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon locks with the ball. Last spot between Starc and Pattinson. Do we contain to rotate quicks? So for me Ill say we'll see the following against Pakistan Warner Burns Labuschagne Smith Head M.Marsh/Wade/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood Obviously Burns is the only real new face from the Ashes squad. Regardless I want Pucovski in the squad. He needs to be blooded on the Aussie decks he knows. Based on talent and technique I agree with you, Baggers. But he needs to perform more consistently in red ball FC cricket before he is selected. You mean 14 matches @42.6 with a perfect conversion rate.. 3 tons three 50s. With a top score of 243. I call that consistent DC. That is pretty good and quite consistent. I stand corrected. Thanks for posting it. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/yes/big-thumbs-up-smiley-emoticon.gif
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWho do we think will be the squad for the first home test come 21 November? Warner starts for mine as his record in Australia is still very good. Burns opens with him. Three is a toss up between Khawaja and Labuschagne. I do think Labuschagne is more a long term 5. 4 is obvious. At 5 Travis Head still averages in the 40s in test cricket. Whilst he had some technical flaws exposed is it better to send him back to sheild or bat him in the home summer and get runs on the board. 6 depends the pitch between Mitch Marsh and Wade or bringing in someone new like a Pucovski. 7 will be Paine. Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon locks with the ball. Last spot between Starc and Pattinson. Do we contain to rotate quicks? So for me Ill say we'll see the following against Pakistan Warner Burns Labuschagne Smith Head M.Marsh/Wade/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood Obviously Burns is the only real new face from the Ashes squad. Regardless I want Pucovski in the squad. He needs to be blooded on the Aussie decks he knows. Based on talent and technique I agree with you, Baggers. But he needs to perform more consistently in red ball FC cricket before he is selected. You mean 14 matches @42.6 with a perfect conversion rate.. 3 tons three 50s. With a top score of 243. I call that consistent DC. That is pretty good and quite consistent. I stand corrected. Thanks for posting it. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/yes/big-thumbs-up-smiley-emoticon.gif wont let you do gifs tho.
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+x+x+xWho do we think will be the squad for the first home test come 21 November? Warner starts for mine as his record in Australia is still very good. Burns opens with him. Three is a toss up between Khawaja and Labuschagne. I do think Labuschagne is more a long term 5. 4 is obvious. At 5 Travis Head still averages in the 40s in test cricket. Whilst he had some technical flaws exposed is it better to send him back to sheild or bat him in the home summer and get runs on the board. 6 depends the pitch between Mitch Marsh and Wade or bringing in someone new like a Pucovski. 7 will be Paine. Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon locks with the ball. Last spot between Starc and Pattinson. Do we contain to rotate quicks? So for me Ill say we'll see the following against Pakistan Warner Burns Labuschagne Smith Head M.Marsh/Wade/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood Obviously Burns is the only real new face from the Ashes squad. Think our best attack is Hazlewood and Pattinson opening with Cummins first change. Wouldn't mind seeing Richardson next in the pecking order, should one of them break down, or be rotated. Starc bowled reasonably well (ie. did't go for as many as expected) when he got his chance, but is generally a bit like Brett Lee IMO, great odi bowler but generally not tight enough for test cricket. Should keep him for specific conditions. I'm not sure Hazlewood and Pattinson is our best opening attack? Our best opening attack is probably Cummins as one of the new ball bowlers, but he is probably better than all the others with an older ball, so he ends up being first change. The attempted logic being that Hazlewood is the best new ball bowler we have (IMO and very arguable of course) while Pattinson seems to have everything covered with the new ball. Pace seam and or swing. Not used enough in the Ashes I think. Though I wouldn't argue too much, he hasn't been back all that long and might simply fall away anyway. Cummins is exceptional with the older ball, would get it inside 10 overs anyway, but probably doesn't do as much with a new ball as Pattinson will. Cummins has said that he actually prefers being first change bowler, and as you say he's probably the best around with an older ball. I also worry whether Pattinson will take much donkey work before breaking down again. Although that probably shouldn't be a major consideration as you obviously can't base an attack off who might break down lol.
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+x+x+x+xWho do we think will be the squad for the first home test come 21 November? Warner starts for mine as his record in Australia is still very good. Burns opens with him. Three is a toss up between Khawaja and Labuschagne. I do think Labuschagne is more a long term 5. 4 is obvious. At 5 Travis Head still averages in the 40s in test cricket. Whilst he had some technical flaws exposed is it better to send him back to sheild or bat him in the home summer and get runs on the board. 6 depends the pitch between Mitch Marsh and Wade or bringing in someone new like a Pucovski. 7 will be Paine. Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon locks with the ball. Last spot between Starc and Pattinson. Do we contain to rotate quicks? So for me Ill say we'll see the following against Pakistan Warner Burns Labuschagne Smith Head M.Marsh/Wade/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood Obviously Burns is the only real new face from the Ashes squad. Think our best attack is Hazlewood and Pattinson opening with Cummins first change. Wouldn't mind seeing Richardson next in the pecking order, should one of them break down, or be rotated. Starc bowled reasonably well (ie. did't go for as many as expected) when he got his chance, but is generally a bit like Brett Lee IMO, great odi bowler but generally not tight enough for test cricket. Should keep him for specific conditions. I'm not sure Hazlewood and Pattinson is our best opening attack? Our best opening attack is probably Cummins as one of the new ball bowlers, but he is probably better than all the others with an older ball, so he ends up being first change. Can not see why Cummins wont open and bowl with the older ball. On our flat drop ins I am fine for Hazlewood to be first change. You need your quickest bowlers with the new cherry to extract whatever life is in the deck. That is Cummins and Pattinson most probably..tho doubt CA is ready to jettison Starc just yet. I can at least see some logic in Starc opening instead of Pattinson, depending on specific conditions. Though I don't necessarily agree with it. I think he is another Brett Lee, great odi bowler, too loose for test cricket.
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+x+x+x+x+xWho do we think will be the squad for the first home test come 21 November? Warner starts for mine as his record in Australia is still very good. Burns opens with him. Three is a toss up between Khawaja and Labuschagne. I do think Labuschagne is more a long term 5. 4 is obvious. At 5 Travis Head still averages in the 40s in test cricket. Whilst he had some technical flaws exposed is it better to send him back to sheild or bat him in the home summer and get runs on the board. 6 depends the pitch between Mitch Marsh and Wade or bringing in someone new like a Pucovski. 7 will be Paine. Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon locks with the ball. Last spot between Starc and Pattinson. Do we contain to rotate quicks? So for me Ill say we'll see the following against Pakistan Warner Burns Labuschagne Smith Head M.Marsh/Wade/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood Obviously Burns is the only real new face from the Ashes squad. Think our best attack is Hazlewood and Pattinson opening with Cummins first change. Wouldn't mind seeing Richardson next in the pecking order, should one of them break down, or be rotated. Starc bowled reasonably well (ie. did't go for as many as expected) when he got his chance, but is generally a bit like Brett Lee IMO, great odi bowler but generally not tight enough for test cricket. Should keep him for specific conditions. I'm not sure Hazlewood and Pattinson is our best opening attack? Our best opening attack is probably Cummins as one of the new ball bowlers, but he is probably better than all the others with an older ball, so he ends up being first change. Can not see why Cummins wont open and bowl with the older ball. On our flat drop ins I am fine for Hazlewood to be first change. You need your quickest bowlers with the new cherry to extract whatever life is in the deck. That is Cummins and Pattinson most probably..tho doubt CA is ready to jettison Starc just yet. I can at least see some logic in Starc opening instead of Pattinson, depending on specific conditions. Though I don't necessarily agree with it. I think he is another Brett Lee, great odi bowler, too loose for test cricket. Now you and I are starting to see the same things... :)
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I'd like to see Queensland openers Renshaw and Burns hit early season domestic form in the Shield.
I don't know enough about it, but some think Burns might be better suited to middle order batting. I still can't believe he has already scored 4 centuries in 15 tests! It looks quite impressive on paper, but he must have got out for a lot of low scores as well.
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+xI'd like to see Queensland openers Renshaw and Burns hit early season domestic form in the Shield. I don't know enough about it, but some think Burns might be better suited to middle order batting. I still can't believe he has already scored 4 centuries in 15 tests! It looks quite impressive on paper, but he must have got out for a lot of low sores as well. Burns probably suffers a bit of prejudice from that match at Bellerieve where the Saffers rolled us by an innings and plenty for our fifth straight loss. The one where our "high performance Manager" (in)famously found his way into the change room and explained " we don't pay you to play, we pay you to win". Seemed quite the generous man paying our players like that out of his own pocket and quite sage advice too on the off chance they didn't realise that winning was the objective, or weren't already feeling dejected enough lol. Burns had a 0 and 1, but also failed in SL before that. Along with him, Voges and Neville...Ferguson and Mennie also got dropped after one test match careers. Was a big clean out. Although he is the only one of that group picked since, it's been sporadic/stopgap. He could be better down the order but has some better players to displace there. Labuschagne and Smith are locks, they'll probably stick with Head at 5 (as they should). Wade just scored two centuries. Although he didn't do much in between he had some bad luck too. A horrible umpiring decision that was just shaving leg stump on drs and should never have been given, another one hit his foot and gently rolled back just enough to dislodge a bail. Realistically, and though I don't agree with it, I think there is only one batting possie up for grabs, an opener. So it would be great if Renshaw got amongst the runs.
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ps. A bit surprisingly, when given the chance Kahwaja has been our best opener over the last few years. If none of the other candidates do much, perhaps that's the way they'll go.
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+xps. A bit surprisingly, when given the chance Kahwaja has been our best opener over the last few years. If none of the other candidates do much, perhaps that's the way they'll go. Does anyone have Usman's Test record as an opener compared to number 3? I think Paddles posted it a while ago. Whatever, Usman will probably do just well enough on bouncy, true, clear sky home pitches to retain his place in this season's home series, but will probably struggle again when we venture abroad.
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+x+xI'd like to see Queensland openers Renshaw and Burns hit early season domestic form in the Shield. I don't know enough about it, but some think Burns might be better suited to middle order batting. I still can't believe he has already scored 4 centuries in 15 tests! It looks quite impressive on paper, but he must have got out for a lot of low sores as well. He could be better down the order but has some better players to displace there. Labuschagne and Smith are locks, they'll probably stick with Head at 5 (as they should). Wade just scored two centuries. Although he didn't do much in between he had some bad luck too. A horrible umpiring decision that was just shaving leg stump on drs and should never have been given, another one hit his foot and gently rolled back just enough to dislodge a bail. In the local press Wade thinks he will only retain his Test place if he scores early Shield runs.
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+x+xps. A bit surprisingly, when given the chance Kahwaja has been our best opener over the last few years. If none of the other candidates do much, perhaps that's the way they'll go. Does anyone have Usman's Test record as an opener compared to number 3? I think Paddles posted it a while ago. Whatever, Usman will probably do just well enough on bouncy, true, clear sky home pitches to retain his place in this season's home series, but will probably struggle again when we venture abroad. I agree. Has always been a fringe player not consistent enough to nail down a possie. Probably because he isn't that good outside of Australia. Has an average of 96.8 as an opener over the last few years though, which isn't too shabby lol. Small sample size of course.That 145 against the saffers was an excellent innings against a pink ball moving around everywhere at Adelaide, from memory. Certainly stood up in the UAE, he was about the only one though. Career averages | Span | Mat | Inns | NO | Runs | HS | Ave | BF | SR | 100 | 50 | 0 | 4s | 6s | |
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| unfiltered | 2011-2019 | 44 | 77 | 6 | 2887 | 174 | 40.66 | 5711 | 50.55 | 8 | 14 | 4 | 312 | 15 | Profile | | filtered | 2016-2019 | 5 | 7 | 2 | 484 | 145 | 96.80 | 979 | 49.43 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 40 | 1 | |
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The above amounts to the only times he has opened. Has a poorer record at no.3. The top row being his average, the bottom row his average at no.3. Career averages | Span | Mat | Inns | NO | Runs | HS | Ave | BF | SR | 100 | 50 | 0 | 4s | 6s | |
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| unfiltered | 2011-2019 | 44 | 77 | 6 | 2887 | 174 | 40.66 | 5711 | 50.55 | 8 | 14 | 4 | 312 | 15 | Profile | | filtered | 2011-2019 | 38 | 66 | 3 | 2343 | 174 | 37.19 | 4573 | 51.23 | 6 | 12 | 3 | 270 | 12 |
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+x+x+xI'd like to see Queensland openers Renshaw and Burns hit early season domestic form in the Shield. I don't know enough about it, but some think Burns might be better suited to middle order batting. I still can't believe he has already scored 4 centuries in 15 tests! It looks quite impressive on paper, but he must have got out for a lot of low sores as well. He could be better down the order but has some better players to displace there. Labuschagne and Smith are locks, they'll probably stick with Head at 5 (as they should). Wade just scored two centuries. Although he didn't do much in between he had some bad luck too. A horrible umpiring decision that was just shaving leg stump on drs and should never have been given, another one hit his foot and gently rolled back just enough to dislodge a bail. In the local press Wade thinks he will only retain his Test place if he scores early Shield runs. I don't read too much into that. It's normal for anyone who isn't Steve Smith to begin with "if I'm selected" before a squad is announced. Have even heard Paine do it. Though you never really know I suppose.
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