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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. Mike you are only espousing the same unsubstantiated speculation as paddles. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I reckon if we were to do a survey on all Test cricketers .. most are saying playing Test cricket is the pinnacle of their career. Even India who are obsessed with T20. The TCA Members are thrilled about the introduction of Ireland as a Test country, Baggers. You probably heard it when you visited. Ireland and Afghanistan are viewed as potential Test opponents at Bellerive. DC I changed my previous post.. please delete the quoted post above. Yes I did hear that DC. I also want it if Tassie is to remain on the outer as an elite Test playing venue.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. There may be any number of reasons crowds are down.. the ridiculous cost of watching test cricket I expect is the main reason. You can see a T20 for $20/25 here.. expect same in other countries.. $100 to see a days Test cricket. This is why T20 is so attractive to families. Two years ago CA reduced its test prices and people flocked to the games. I know I was at the SCG Test.. it was chocka. Along with the hi tickets prices the cost of eating and drinking is a joke. A good old meat pie $6, bag of chips $5, a plastic mug of beer (not quite schooner) $ $6.50. Those prices are no doubt more today. I can tell you one of the reasons are the uncomfortable plastic seats. Sitting on one of those for 7 hours aint fun. People also dont wanna sit in the sun on a sweltering summer day. We were almost cooked. Make test cricket day/niters. That just may bring back the families.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. They aint mate because the ICC feels they are not ready to compete against the biggies. I expect both nations regard it as a slap in the face. Has the BCCI given a reason why it is not supportive of the two tier system?. This can be done sensibly thru a promotion/relegation platform surely. What is not to like about a way to promote the next level of cricketer.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Another warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. deleted
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Another warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. deleted https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.htmlJones is speculating about what may happen Mike. Scaremongering if you ask me. This was written four years ago and he is quoting stats well before that. What is the current situation.. better or worse? Seems the BCCI does actually care about our game.. so there is some hope.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. They aint mate because the ICC feels they are not ready to compete against the biggies. Has the BCCI given a reason why it is not supportive of the two tier system?. This can be done sensibly thru a promotion/relegation platform surely. What is not to like about a way to promote the next level of cricketer. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/top-stories/BCCI-to-reject-two-tier-system-in-Test-cricket/articleshow/53989618.cmshttps://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/why-india-were-opposed-to-icc-two-tier-system-for-test-cricket/20160908.htmhttps://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1040308/bcci-to-oppose-two-tier-test-systemhttps://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/bcci-three-other-full-members-oppose-two-tier-test-system-3017485/
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Another warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. deleted https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.htmlJones is speculating about what may happen Mike. Scaremongering if you ask me. This was written four years ago and he is quoting stats well before that. What is the current situation.. better or worse? Seems the BCCI does actually care about our game.. so there is some hope. The BCCI care, but as you said before it's all about the money, which is governed by bums on seats, TV ratings, and you have to have players that want to and have the ability to be competitive willing to play. One of the articles above even says about the West Indies they get paid the same for T20 or test, so 3 hours work against 30 hours work, what's more appealing? Not to you Baggers but to the youth. The problem is the youth, not the game, not the prestige etc, solely the youth. How is it now? you tell me Pakistan chose a kid just out of Grade 10 schooling to play, how serious do you think they took the series? Pakistan ranked 1 in T20 how would you rank their test performance?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. They aint mate because the ICC feels they are not ready to compete against the biggies. Has the BCCI given a reason why it is not supportive of the two tier system?. This can be done sensibly thru a promotion/relegation platform surely. What is not to like about a way to promote the next level of cricketer. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/top-stories/BCCI-to-reject-two-tier-system-in-Test-cricket/articleshow/53989618.cmshttps://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/why-india-were-opposed-to-icc-two-tier-system-for-test-cricket/20160908.htmhttps://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1040308/bcci-to-oppose-two-tier-test-systemhttps://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/bcci-three-other-full-members-oppose-two-tier-test-system-3017485/ Impressive research!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. They aint mate because the ICC feels they are not ready to compete against the biggies. Has the BCCI given a reason why it is not supportive of the two tier system?. This can be done sensibly thru a promotion/relegation platform surely. What is not to like about a way to promote the next level of cricketer. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/top-stories/BCCI-to-reject-two-tier-system-in-Test-cricket/articleshow/53989618.cmshttps://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/why-india-were-opposed-to-icc-two-tier-system-for-test-cricket/20160908.htmhttps://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1040308/bcci-to-oppose-two-tier-test-systemhttps://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/bcci-three-other-full-members-oppose-two-tier-test-system-3017485/ BCCI believes the smaller nations will be losing out and their interests not being protected.
Can you see what they mean here Mike or KW. Is BCCI referring to teams like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka being relegated to the second tier as the proposal was only for a 7 team first tier. Then why was a counter proposal of a 10 team first tier system not put forward. Surely that've appeased the BCCI.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. They aint mate because the ICC feels they are not ready to compete against the biggies. Has the BCCI given a reason why it is not supportive of the two tier system?. This can be done sensibly thru a promotion/relegation platform surely. What is not to like about a way to promote the next level of cricketer. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/top-stories/BCCI-to-reject-two-tier-system-in-Test-cricket/articleshow/53989618.cmshttps://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/why-india-were-opposed-to-icc-two-tier-system-for-test-cricket/20160908.htmhttps://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1040308/bcci-to-oppose-two-tier-test-systemhttps://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/bcci-three-other-full-members-oppose-two-tier-test-system-3017485/ BCCI believes the smaller nations will be losing out and their interests not being protected.
Can you see what they mean here Mike or KW. Is BCCI referring to teams like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka being relegated to the second tier as the proposal was only for a 7 team first tier. Then why was a counter proposal of a 10 team first tier system not put forward. Surely that've appeased the BCCI. The tier system i believe were 5 or 6 teams playing home and away over 4 years with relegation for bottom team. If it was 5 teams as an example just recently Australia was 5th that's relegation and Australia for the next 4 years would be playing WI, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. Would you accept that? That was India's worry, Who is going to pay to watch WI v Bangladesh as an example, it is disadvantaging the "tier 2" teams. It doesn't matter how many in top tier 5, 6, 7, 8, there will always be teams disadvantaged by being in the 2nd tier, so rejection was the only option. Now if we had 20 teams playing tests then 2 tiers may work, but most teams around the world are not interested in playing tests or more importantly how much is the ICC going to give financially to fund these teams who will generate nothing in patronage to the games or tv rights. West Indies, South Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan in the UAE aren't getting anyone now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. They aint mate because the ICC feels they are not ready to compete against the biggies. Has the BCCI given a reason why it is not supportive of the two tier system?. This can be done sensibly thru a promotion/relegation platform surely. What is not to like about a way to promote the next level of cricketer. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/top-stories/BCCI-to-reject-two-tier-system-in-Test-cricket/articleshow/53989618.cmshttps://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/why-india-were-opposed-to-icc-two-tier-system-for-test-cricket/20160908.htmhttps://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1040308/bcci-to-oppose-two-tier-test-systemhttps://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/bcci-three-other-full-members-oppose-two-tier-test-system-3017485/ BCCI believes the smaller nations will be losing out and their interests not being protected.
Can you see what they mean here Mike or KW. Is BCCI referring to teams like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka being relegated to the second tier as the proposal was only for a 7 team first tier. Then why was a counter proposal of a 10 team first tier system not put forward. Surely that've appeased the BCCI. The tier system i believe were 5 or 6 teams playing home and away over 4 years with relegation for bottom team. If it was 5 teams as an example just recently Australia was 5th that's relegation and Australia for the next 4 years would be playing WI, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. Would you accept that? That was India's worry, Who is going to pay to watch WI v Bangladesh as an example, it is disadvantaging the "tier 2" teams. It doesn't matter how many in top tier 5, 6, 7, 8, there will always be teams disadvantaged by being in the 2nd tier, so rejection was the only option. Now if we had 20 teams playing tests then 2 tiers may work, but most teams around the world are not interested in playing tests or more importantly how much is the ICC going to give financially to fund these teams who will generate nothing in patronage to the games or tv rights. West Indies, South Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan in the UAE aren't getting anyone now. I read
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnother warm up match in the U19's https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19666/scorecard/1208363/australia-under-19s-vs-canada-under-19s-warm-up-iccu19wc-warm-ups-2019-20Baggers looks like your boy had a field day 94 of 27 deliveries, I think Canada may be applauding the dot delivery. Probably should have retired at 50 to give some of the other batsmen some practice, but looks like he is in good form. Jake Fraser-McGurk was the opener this time, wasn't successful. Some other interesting warm up matches Afghanistan Under 19s beat England (in our group) by 21 runs West Indies (in our group) struggled to beat Canada by 3 wickets and only 3 overs to go, but last night beat Scotland by 126 UAE U19 beat NZ U19 won by 1 wicket, but NZ bounced back O/N beating Bangladesh by 4 wickets India are moving along as per India humiliating Afghanistan and getting home against Zimbabwe South Africa lost to Sri Lanka by 15 runs, but beat Nigeria (our 2nd game) by 8 wickets, with Nigeria only scoring 61 However the team I think will win the tournament Undefeated, Japan, has got off to a slow start against Scotland losing by 256 runs and against UAE losing by 253 runs, see they're coming good, and at 10000 to 1 you just have to put $10 on them. Yes Mike. Ollie with a lazy 348 strike rate and 11 maximums. Well after all this bloke was the first and still only U19 player to hit 200 in the nationals. The things that most impresses me is he not just a power hitter with little technique. So he is suited nicely to the red ball game too.. bit like Pucovski. You are having a loan of me saying Japan is your team to beat. They can only get better from here so that is one positive. C'Mon Baggers Japan 10000 to 1 long shots, why wouldn't you back them, better than Lotto odds, and harikari with a cricket bat may take a while to perform and we don't want that Baggers. I didn't say what year they would win. Davies is the new generation batsman, big powerful shots that clear the rope, which we're going to see more of. Read the other day about a 17 year old Indian batsman scored a 200 in a List A game, by the name of Yashasvi Jaiswal, he's playing as well in this tournament, the difference is he did it in the sub-continent, South Africa pitches probably suits Davies more. It will be a good tournament, but I can't see much standing in the way of a victory for Australia, except for that inconsistency problem, if it all happens in one game, we're out. Mike I just took a look at the Canadian team. All the X1 have a Sub Continental background. Most are Canadian born tho. Is Ontario the only Canadian province that plays cricket. All home grown boys were born there. What are your views about allowing teams that have no home grown natives, from playing in ICC sanctioned tournaments. My view is that the ICC needs to do more to get the native population playing cricket rather than those from traditional sub continental cricket nations. The US which is now an Associate Member had, the last time I looked, a side dominated by ex pat West Indian and Sub Cont players. While I am for growing our game into a global sport, I do want to see more home grown natives playing for their country. The ball is in the ICC court. Canada do have most born in Ontario, Calitz was born in Vancouver, Walia and was born in India, Kamal in Pakistan, so with immigration who knows how long they have been in Canada. Canada do have easier immigration laws, I believe a British resident royal and his USA born wife have just decided to move there, so they will be multi-cultural Other teams there has to be some sort of leniency afterall in T20 which is going to be the global form of game with nearly 90 teams playing, to keep them interested they have to be competitive. I have no problem eg with Cameron Gannon playing for the USA, I think his mum is American. I do believe that most if not all the USA team recently named are residents of USA through immigration, Gannon hasn't been selected. Afterall a lot of our athletes are Foreign born and moved to Australia and have represented Australia. Matt Renshaw, Andrew Symonds, Brendon Julian, Meg Lanning, Hilton Cartwright, Steve O'keefe, Usman Khawaja, not to mention other sports, Soccer, Basketball, athletics, both forms of Rugby, Jelena Dokic, Bernard Tomic, Tatiana Grigorieva, Kostya Tszyu...the list goes on and we adopted them as our own. I am talking specifically cricket teams.. and red ball cricket. I honestly dont give two stuffs what happens in T20 or ODI. My interest is seeing Test cricket remains pure. I see a European team for instance and instead of seeing German, Dutch or Hungarian names I am seeing Indian or Pakistan names. Is this what cricket wants. The German, Hungarian or Dutch teams may be promoted in the future into the Test family . I want to see German names when I read the team. The ICC needs to do more to entice more native cricketers into their own national team. Meg Lanning was born to Australian parents.. Wasn't Bernard Tomic born here? I did not know SOK was born elsewhere. Baggers the ICC sanctioned tournaments, eg this U19 tournament, with the countries we see representing are limited over tournaments. Sorry to say these countries have zero interest in test cricket, it's the T20 format that is interesting them, Let's be honest, T20 is a hell of a lot more interesting than baseball, watching a pitcher throw in a strike zone, in the hope a batter may actually hit a home run, which doesn't occur every game. In T20 the balls do fly and on a regular basis, thus why Japan, America, China who are baseball orientated are interested. And a result occurs in under 3 hours. Test cricket is dead even in most of the test playing nations, crowd support has dropped off severely even here in Australia. England and Australia it still remains OK, but in all honesty teams are no longer wishing to play tests in Australia, you can see that in their performances, they're just doing their duty and now India have the monkey off their back, it will be interesting to see how they approach future series. The most common thought is that overseas players do not have enough preparation to play in Australian conditions and now Australia is forcing Day/Night games on them and they have zero preparation for that. India will not play D/N tests at all. In a way Australia is contributing to the demise of test cricket, and white washes will become a common occurrence in Australia, that crowds won't come, there is no contest. Deep down you do know this, it is sad for us dinosaurs but that is the reality. The only nations that do take test cricket seriously are Australia, England and India, lesser extent South Africa but even the players now are leaving South Africa in the quest for money. Bernard Tomic is German and SOK was born in Malaysia. Meg Lanning, has a Singapore birth certificate thus is eligible to play for them, technically that takes precedence over playing for Australia. Well Tomic is welcome to go and play for Germany. He aint no good to us. Maybe technically. But Meg will play her entire career for us. bumping Mike that is speculation.. totally unsubstantiated. You trying to tell me that Afghanistan and Ireland were not pleased to be welcomed into the Test family. I am betting that if we asked all cricketers what playing Test cricket means to them.. most are saying it is the pinnacle of their career. Even T20- obsessed India. Even NZ that paddles says rate rugby and other sports ahead of cricket. Don't get me wrong Baggers, for us there is a place for test cricket and all current players regard it as the peak of testing, success at test cricket is the ultimate challenge. But on a global scale how important is test cricket and what is it's future, You are wrong about the importance of test cricket to youth, the future players of cricket https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-test-cricket-is-on-its-last-legs-20161021-gs85nx.html"If Test cricket continues on its current descent it will be dead within a decade. TV ratings in Asia are declining at a rapid rate and the interest in this format is becoming non-existent with Asian youth. If the Asian fans are not interested, then the Test format will be finished. Our attention must be towards this market, as this is the one that feeds the rest of the cricketing world." "The West Indians are already saying that, with six of their best players preferring to play Big Bash League than Test cricket last summer." "The Board of Control for Cricket in India understands the biggest problem in the sport is the lack of interest in Test cricket. The BCCI has already acted, doubling the wages for Test players. They are trying to find a solution to Test cricket's woes, but are struggling. Many within the BCCI have conservative opinions on the pink ball and day-night Tests. They are not supportive of the proposed two-tier Test format." "The fans of today are mindful of being entertained. They want quality cricket with something on it. Many of these meaningless Test series amount to nothing. And let's be honest: some of the lower teams in the world are playing very average cricket.It is time for change. By 2025 half of India's population will be 25 years old or younger, that is 750 million people. This trend is similar to the population demographics in Bangladesh and Pakistan. The ICC should be worried that the youth only want to play and watch T20 cricket. It's got the razzmatazz, the money and the excitement that everyone loves." https://www.cricket365.com/top-story/should-test-cricket-be-abrogated-in-light-of-the-growing-popularity-of-t20/"Despite Test cricket’s historical relevance to the originality of the game, there is not a feather’s doubt that this format has lost a lot of charm over the last decade. One reason might be the introduction of T20 cricket back in 2003, which has since taken the cricketing world by storm. Like a summer blockbuster smashing box office records, T20s have invaded the stage and eclipsed Test cricket through its thrills and a sense of competitiveness that it brings. Apart from the Ashes and an odd Test match between the top ranked teams, crowd turn outs have been little to none across regions like the Emirates and the Caribbean islands.On the other hand, T20 franchise-based competitions have been on the rise for several years, alluring massive assemblages of cricket fans. According to ESPN Cricinfo, the Indian Premier League’s version of 2017 was witnessed by an approximate 411 million unique television viewers, which is essentially more than one in every 20 people in the whole world." https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/01/why-test-cricket-game-decline"The Ashes are over-leveraged but the excess of marketing masks insufficient real entrepreneurialism. As a result, a questionable product is being flogged ever more skilfully. Congratulations to Cricket Australia for filling grounds. But how many times will people come back to watch Tests like the one served up at Melbourne?" Baggers it is one thing to invite teams into the test fold, but they have to be able to be competitive for it to mean anything. Please show me where the games for Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan are in the current ICC world test championships. Membership to the ICC is for the governing and full voting rights at meetings of the ICC. The West Indies cricket team does not represent one country, but rather an amalgamation of more than 15 countries and territories from the Caribbean. The English Cricket team represents both England and Wales and the Ireland cricket team represents all of the island of Ireland. That is what the ICC really is politics. They aint mate because the ICC feels they are not ready to compete against the biggies. Has the BCCI given a reason why it is not supportive of the two tier system?. This can be done sensibly thru a promotion/relegation platform surely. What is not to like about a way to promote the next level of cricketer. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/top-stories/BCCI-to-reject-two-tier-system-in-Test-cricket/articleshow/53989618.cmshttps://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/why-india-were-opposed-to-icc-two-tier-system-for-test-cricket/20160908.htmhttps://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1040308/bcci-to-oppose-two-tier-test-systemhttps://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/bcci-three-other-full-members-oppose-two-tier-test-system-3017485/ BCCI believes the smaller nations will be losing out and their interests not being protected.
Can you see what they mean here Mike or KW. Is BCCI referring to teams like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka being relegated to the second tier as the proposal was only for a 7 team first tier. Then why was a counter proposal of a 10 team first tier system not put forward. Surely that've appeased the BCCI. The tier system i believe were 5 or 6 teams playing home and away over 4 years with relegation for bottom team. If it was 5 teams as an example just recently Australia was 5th that's relegation and Australia for the next 4 years would be playing WI, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. Would you accept that? That was India's worry, Who is going to pay to watch WI v Bangladesh as an example, it is disadvantaging the "tier 2" teams. It doesn't matter how many in top tier 5, 6, 7, 8, there will always be teams disadvantaged by being in the 2nd tier, so rejection was the only option. Now if we had 20 teams playing tests then 2 tiers may work, but most teams around the world are not interested in playing tests or more importantly how much is the ICC going to give financially to fund these teams who will generate nothing in patronage to the games or tv rights. West Indies, South Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan in the UAE aren't getting anyone now. I read
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5 second tier.but most teams around the world are not interested in playing tests Precisely how do you know that? there will always be teams disadvantaged by being in the 2nd tier,Not if there were 10 in top tier as I alluded to earlier. The bottom tier is made up of newbies.. such as Ireland and Afghans are at the moment. They play each other home and away with the best performed nation moving to the top tier after a provisional time while the top tier worst performed is relegated. From the lips of Sachin Tendulkar 2 months ago According to the former Team India cricketer, this format of the game now lacks world-class fast bowlers, unlike the old days. "Rivalries which people invariably looked forward to are no longer there because there are very few world-class fast bowlers right now. That element I am sure is missing. The quality of fast bowling can surely be better without any doubt," Tendulkar was quoted saying by PTI. In the 970s and '80s, Dennis Lillee or Imran Khan, Tendulkar vs Wasim Akram Sunil Gavaskar vs Andy Roberts were some of the famous head-to-head encounters in Test cricket. The standard of cricket has gone down which is not great news for Test cricket. There are many reasons why test cricket is losing popularity but the question is how long will cricket boards around the world subsidise test cricket? How long do you continue to lose money and the upcoming nations are only interested in the self funding game such as T20, they don't have the money to subsidise playing test cricket. Think about it Baggers why haven't they wished to play the game in the last 150 years? ICC chairman Shashank Manohar "To be honest, Test cricket is dying" https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/test-cricket-dying-icc-chairman-shashank-manohar-t20is-revnue-cricket-olympics-1450946-2019-02-07Brendon McCullum, the former New Zealand captain who did as much for the format as any other modern player, said in an interview: “I firmly believe Test cricket won’t be around in time, because there’s only so many teams that can afford to play it.” Ireland? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/may/15/ireland-moment-sun-setting-test-cricket-malahide-pakistanthe words of their captain, William Porterfield, and chief executive, Warren Deutrom. “ For most countries,” the latter said, “ Test cricket, apart from England-Australia, which is the obvious exception, is a loss-leader.” Ireland are due to play only 16 Tests in the next five years. “It is going to be very hard to organise three- or five-game series with the cost that is involved. It would be great if we could play quite a few Tests a year but it is not financially viable as it stands,” Porterfield added. “That is what it is.”
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Mike looks as tho this generation of Saffer is no better at playing spin than the current side. 6 big ones to their leggie Ghafari. The Afghans also boasting a 15 year chinaman bowler that took 2. Our boys hit off their tournament late tonite.
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“It is going to be very hard to organise three- or five-game series with the cost that is involved. It would be great if we could play quite a few Tests a year but it is not financially viable as it stands,” Porterfield added. “That is what it is.”
This is a newcomer to Test cricket decrying the state of cricket in his country. What is the answer then Mike. Do we all sit by and watch an institution of our sport wither and die. Seems money is the crux of the problem. The ICC and BCCI has to open its coffers to help these two and later Test newcomers.. as do the ECB and CA. Does the BCCI run IPL? If so instead of paying obscene salaries for 6 weeks of cricket.. lower the auction price and put the savings into a special fund for Test newcomers to meet their admin expenses which in turn will allow them to play more test matches.
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I did say that Fox will show the Aussie games.
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+xI did say that Fox will show the Aussie games. Australia v Windies: Liam Scott, Jake Fraser McGurk, Mack Harvey, Lachlan Hearne, Oliver Davies, Patrick Rowe †, Corey Kelly, Connor Sully, Tanveer Sangha, Tom Murphy, Matt Willans. Aussies lose toss and are batting. Deck looks flat.. devoid of grass.
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Mike you say that young cricketers seem to prefer the shorter formats. Is it any wonder as in this country all cricket played before Premier Cricket and First Class is white ball. Even the underage nationals are totally white ball. I have been calling for a red ball component to be added to it.. same as needs to happen in the World Cup. The young promising cricketer needs to be reminded that he has a red ball career to aspire to..same as white ball.
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+xMike you say that young cricketers seem to prefer the shorter formats. Is it any wonder as in this country all cricket played before Premier Cricket and First Class is white ball. There has to be a red ball component introduced to the underage nationals.. same as needs to happen in the World Cup. The young promising cricketer needs to be reminded that he has a red ball career to aspire to..same as white ball. Aussies are 2-52 after 10.
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+x+xMike you say that young cricketers seem to prefer the shorter formats. Is it any wonder as in this country all cricket played before Premier Cricket and First Class is white ball. There has to be a red ball component introduced to the underage nationals.. same as needs to happen in the World Cup. The young promising cricketer needs to be reminded that he has a red ball career to aspire to..same as white ball. Aussies are 2-52 after 10. deleted
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+x+x+xMike you say that young cricketers seem to prefer the shorter formats. Is it any wonder as in this country all cricket played before Premier Cricket and First Class is white ball. There has to be a red ball component introduced to the underage nationals.. same as needs to happen in the World Cup. The young promising cricketer needs to be reminded that he has a red ball career to aspire to..same as white ball. Aussies are 2-52 after 10. Sloppy running has handed the Windies two wickets. Now Oliver Davies goes for a golden duck. Not the way he'd have wanted to start the tournament.
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+x+x+x+xMike you say that young cricketers seem to prefer the shorter formats. Is it any wonder as in this country all cricket played before Premier Cricket and First Class is white ball. There has to be a red ball component introduced to the underage nationals.. same as needs to happen in the World Cup. The young promising cricketer needs to be reminded that he has a red ball career to aspire to..same as white ball. Aussies are 2-52 after 10. Sloppy running has handed the Windies two wickets. Now Oliver Davies goes for a golden duck. Not the way he'd have wanted to start the tournament. Fraser-Mc with our first 50. Is dropped the next ball.
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West Indies Beat Australia For The First Time In Under-19 World Cup
Yes Baggers, we lost it with those two run outs then the golden duck by Davies. To only bat out 36 overs, appalling, however it did take WI 46 overs to score the runs, so maybe the bowlers are OK, just lack of runs. When the pressure is on some do crumble. So Australia took only 1 opener to the tournament and don't play him???? Quality performance by Jake Fraser-McGurk and the keeper Patrick Rowe. with the ball only Sangha really performed. What were we saying about lack of openers and questionable selection of bowlers, they didn't even play Liam Marshall. Of course changes can be made for the next game with Liam Marshall, Sam Fanning and Cooper Connolly but who for??? Oliver Davies? Liam Scott? Lachlan Hearne?
Tommorrow is now an important game against Nigeria and if it was a No result due to rain we could be out
Big game against England and if it was to be a No Result or loss, we would be out.
Rain had an effect on other games but UAE beat Canada, Bangladesh scoring 132 in 11 overs to beat Zimbabwe and NZ only getting a No Result against Japan,
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+xWest Indies Beat Australia For The First Time In Under-19 World CupYes Baggers, we lost it with those two run outs then the golden duck by Davies. To only bat out 36 overs, appalling, however it did take WI 46 overs to score the runs, so maybe the bowlers are OK, just lack of runs. When the pressure is on some do crumble. So Australia took only 1 opener to the tournament and don't play him???? Quality performance by Jake Fraser-McGurk and the keeper Patrick Rowe. with the ball only Sangha really performed. What were we saying about lack of openers and questionable selection of bowlers, they didn't even play Liam Marshall. Of course changes can be made for the next game with Liam Marshall, Sam Fanning and Cooper Connolly but who for??? Oliver Davies? Liam Scott? Lachlan Hearne? Tommorrow is now an important game against Nigeria and if it was a No result due to rain we could be out Big game against England and if it was to be a No Result or loss, we would be out. Rain had an effect on other games but UAE beat Canada, Bangladesh scoring 132 in 11 overs to beat Zimbabwe and NZ only getting a No Result against Japan, Mike you referring to Fanning as opener. Liam Scott looks out of place there. He also bowls but did not last nite. Liam Marshall has to come in as does Fanning. No way am I dropping Davies or Hearn. Davies may not be match fit but we know what he can do.. Hearn came to the tournament as the best performed batsman in this age group. I question why CA did not schedule a pre tournament series. The nationals finished over a month ago. Other nations boards did.
When the pressure is on some do crumble.
Is that a crack aimed at Davies. If so you are wrong. I have footage of him murdering big burly seasoned bowlers in only his second top grade Premier Cricket match. He had not long turned 17 . Big hopes for him to play Test cricket. Did you watch any of the match Mike.
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+x+xWest Indies Beat Australia For The First Time In Under-19 World CupYes Baggers, we lost it with those two run outs then the golden duck by Davies. To only bat out 36 overs, appalling, however it did take WI 46 overs to score the runs, so maybe the bowlers are OK, just lack of runs. When the pressure is on some do crumble. So Australia took only 1 opener to the tournament and don't play him???? Quality performance by Jake Fraser-McGurk and the keeper Patrick Rowe. with the ball only Sangha really performed. What were we saying about lack of openers and questionable selection of bowlers, they didn't even play Liam Marshall. Of course changes can be made for the next game with Liam Marshall, Sam Fanning and Cooper Connolly but who for??? Oliver Davies? Liam Scott? Lachlan Hearne? Tommorrow is now an important game against Nigeria and if it was a No result due to rain we could be out Big game against England and if it was to be a No Result or loss, we would be out. Rain had an effect on other games but UAE beat Canada, Bangladesh scoring 132 in 11 overs to beat Zimbabwe and NZ only getting a No Result against Japan, Mike you referring to Fanning as opener. Liam Scott looks out of place there. He also bowls but did not last nite. Liam Marshall has to come in as does Fanning. No way am I dropping Davies or Hearn. Davies may not be match fit but we know what he can do.. Hearn came to the tournament as the best performed batsman in this age group. I question why CA did not schedule a pre tournament series. The nationals finished over a month ago. Other nations boards did.
When the pressure is on some do crumble.
Is that a crack aimed at Davies. If so you are wrong. I have footage of him murdering big burly seasoned bowlers in only his second top grade Premier Cricket match. He had not long turned 17 . Big hopes for him to play Test cricket. Did you watch any of the match Mike. Not at all Baggers, life is full of pressure situations, and it is how you deal with those situations which will measure how successful one will be. For every 1 performance under pressure, I can show you 100 failures under pressure. Pressure can get to anyone. It's the excuses that get under my skin, man up and own mistakes, some always have excuses, it's the pitch, the conditions weren't right, fielders dropped catches, got a bad umpiring decision, carrying an injury...., excuses..... excuses. Champions never have excuses, they admit they didn't play well enough to win.
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+x+x+xWest Indies Beat Australia For The First Time In Under-19 World CupYes Baggers, we lost it with those two run outs then the golden duck by Davies. To only bat out 36 overs, appalling, however it did take WI 46 overs to score the runs, so maybe the bowlers are OK, just lack of runs. When the pressure is on some do crumble. So Australia took only 1 opener to the tournament and don't play him???? Quality performance by Jake Fraser-McGurk and the keeper Patrick Rowe. with the ball only Sangha really performed. What were we saying about lack of openers and questionable selection of bowlers, they didn't even play Liam Marshall. Of course changes can be made for the next game with Liam Marshall, Sam Fanning and Cooper Connolly but who for??? Oliver Davies? Liam Scott? Lachlan Hearne? Tommorrow is now an important game against Nigeria and if it was a No result due to rain we could be out Big game against England and if it was to be a No Result or loss, we would be out. Rain had an effect on other games but UAE beat Canada, Bangladesh scoring 132 in 11 overs to beat Zimbabwe and NZ only getting a No Result against Japan, Mike you referring to Fanning as opener. Liam Scott looks out of place there. He also bowls but did not last nite. Liam Marshall has to come in as does Fanning. No way am I dropping Davies or Hearn. Davies may not be match fit but we know what he can do.. Hearn came to the tournament as the best performed batsman in this age group. I question why CA did not schedule a pre tournament series. The nationals finished over a month ago. Other nations boards did.
When the pressure is on some do crumble.
Is that a crack aimed at Davies. If so you are wrong. I have footage of him murdering big burly seasoned bowlers in only his second top grade Premier Cricket match. He had not long turned 17 . Big hopes for him to play Test cricket. Did you watch any of the match Mike. Not at all Baggers, life is full of pressure situations, and it is how you deal with those situations which will measure how successful one will be. For every 1 performance under pressure, I can show you 100 failures under pressure. Pressure can get to anyone. It's the excuses that get under my skin, man up and own mistakes, some always have excuses, it's the pitch, the conditions weren't right, fielders dropped catches, got a bad umpiring decision, carrying an injury...., excuses..... excuses. Champions never have excuses, they admit they didn't play well enough to win. +x+x+xWest Indies Beat Australia For The First Time In Under-19 World CupYes Baggers, we lost it with those two run outs then the golden duck by Davies. To only bat out 36 overs, appalling, however it did take WI 46 overs to score the runs, so maybe the bowlers are OK, just lack of runs. When the pressure is on some do crumble. So Australia took only 1 opener to the tournament and don't play him???? Quality performance by Jake Fraser-McGurk and the keeper Patrick Rowe. with the ball only Sangha really performed. What were we saying about lack of openers and questionable selection of bowlers, they didn't even play Liam Marshall. Of course changes can be made for the next game with Liam Marshall, Sam Fanning and Cooper Connolly but who for??? Oliver Davies? Liam Scott? Lachlan Hearne? Tommorrow is now an important game against Nigeria and if it was a No result due to rain we could be out Big game against England and if it was to be a No Result or loss, we would be out. Rain had an effect on other games but UAE beat Canada, Bangladesh scoring 132 in 11 overs to beat Zimbabwe and NZ only getting a No Result against Japan, Mike you referring to Fanning as opener. Liam Scott looks out of place there. He also bowls but did not last nite. Liam Marshall has to come in as does Fanning. No way am I dropping Davies or Hearn. Davies may not be match fit but we know what he can do.. Hearn came to the tournament as the best performed batsman in this age group. I question why CA did not schedule a pre tournament series. The nationals finished over a month ago. Other nations boards did.
When the pressure is on some do crumble.
Is that a crack aimed at Davies. If so you are wrong. I have footage of him murdering big burly seasoned bowlers in only his second top grade Premier Cricket match. He had not long turned 17 . Big hopes for him to play Test cricket. Did you watch any of the match Mike. Not at all Baggers, life is full of pressure situations, and it is how you deal with those situations which will measure how successful one will be. For every 1 performance under pressure, I can show you 100 failures under pressure. Pressure can get to anyone. It's the excuses that get under my skin, man up and own mistakes, some always have excuses, it's the pitch, the conditions weren't right, fielders dropped catches, got a bad umpiring decision, carrying an injury...., excuses..... excuses. Champions never have excuses, they admit they didn't play well enough to win. Mike here's hoping our kids put up a better show in this tournament than our ODI old men have just put up in India. Fell into a big hole after the first match. finishing with a woeful bowling display last nite. Cummins 2 wickets for the series Starc 3.. none in last two games. White ball cricket needs specialist white ball cricketers.
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tonite's games:
England v Windies
Aust v Nigeria.
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