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Allstars is back
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I don’t like the concept but it is understandable why FFA want to do it. It will be their event (if APCFA agree to release players). So they will get the gate and other revenues that go with it along with eg NSW government support.
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Football Federation Australia (FFA) today released a discussion paper detailing eleven proposed principles to underpin the future development and growth of football in Australia. The discussion paper, titled XI Principles for the future of Australian football, has been compiled over several months as FFA has navigated the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic, and has been published as a ‘living document’ which will continue to be shaped by FFA as it uses it as a basis for engagement and consultation with the Australian football community. With Australia and New Zealand having secured the right to host the FIFA Women’s World Cup 2023™ late last week, FFA Chief Executive Officer, James Johnson, said he believes that the time is right to release the document to enable Australia’s broad football community to share their thoughts and make an important contribution to the future of Australian football.
“Throughout the course of 2020 FFA has received extensive feedback in relation to areas of possible transformation from stakeholders, partners and participants across the Australian football ecosystem,” Johnson said.
“Based on this feedback, FFA has developed the eleven principles outlined in the document, supported by a range of proposed measures that could be introduced in pursuit of these principles. “The eleven principles cover a wide cross-section of the Australian game and seeks to address some of the major challenges it faces today – from the development of Australia’s football identity, to the optimisation of competition structures, the establishment of world class youth development pathways, and the ongoing positioning of Australia’s national teams – especially the Westfield Matildas and Socceroos – as the unifying symbols of the sport.
“Australian football has taken a massive hit because of COVID-19 and there is no doubt the game will feel the effects for years to come. The process of rebuilding Australian football has however, already begun.
“The Starting XI, who provide guidance to FFA on football-related matters, was established in April this year. FFA also recently negotiated a fresh broadcasting deal with Fox Sports which secures the immediate futures of the Hyundai A-League and Westfield W-League. And late last week we realised a watershed moment for Australian football as we were awarded co-hosting rights to FIFA Women’s World Cup 2023™.
“Despite a tumultuous few months, FFA has felt it necessary to consider the direction and future of Australian football. The eleven principles are the next step in not just the rebuild, but the transformation of Australian football. “Each principle is reflective of Australian football’s need to embrace change and innovation as the game emerges from the COVID-19 pandemic. The principles are bold and innovative, and we believe will challenge, excite and inspire our football community. “The game achieved great impetus last week with confirmation that the FIFA Women’s World Cup™ will be heading to Asia-Pacific in 2023. We believe that this document and the discussion which it will generate within the football community will provide an important steppingstone towards developing a united vision for Australian football,” he said.
From Monday, 6 July 2020 onwards, FFA will release a series of online surveys to enable the football community to provide their views on the principles listed. These surveys will enable FFA to capture key trends, and consider what consensus exists among the community regarding the game’s big issues.
All surveys will remain open through to close of business on Friday, 31 July 2020.
The proposed XI Principles for the future of Australian football are:
- Build a consistent and strong identity for Australian football which inspires all Australians.
- Develop a new narrative for football which signifies a fresh start for the game in Australia, successfully ties together all new initiatives and distinguishes it from other sporting codes in the country.
- Establish an integrated and thriving football ecosystem driven by a modern domestic transfer system.
- Create a dynamic and engaging football product by optimising competition structures to connect Australian football; promote competitive balance and tension; promote uncertainty of outcome; incentivise sporting achievement; and prioritise the fan experience.
- Create a world class environment for youth development / production by increasing match minutes for youth players and streamlining the player pathway.
- Create a strong culture around coach development by emphasising the importance of the role as a skilled position and a vital link in player development.
- Transition towards a modern, fit-for-purpose governance framework for football in Australia in line with global standards and best-practice sports governance in Australia.
- Create an operating and governance model for the A-League, W-League and Y-League which is fit for the current circumstances.
- Ensure that football becomes more open and accessible to the Australian community and that cost does not remain a barrier to participation.
- Continue the growth of the game by driving participation of women and girls and enhancing existing competition structures to promote player development.
- Position the Westfield Matildas and the Socceroos as the unifying symbols of the game and heroes who epitomise the Australian football identity to inspire every young Australian regardless of their ability or background
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Most of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (except probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out.
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+xMost of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (accept probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out. The pdf on the FFA's page is huge. There's a lot in there; Women's FFA Cup, season change, football-specific stadiums, pushing for more gov funding, etc.
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+x+xMost of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (accept probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out. The pdf on the FFA's page is huge. There's a lot in there; Women's FFA Cup, season change, football-specific stadiums, pushing for more gov funding, etc. Direct link to the PDFEDIT: Pala beat me to it
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+x+xMost of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (accept probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out. The pdf on the FFA's page is huge. There's a lot in there; Women's FFA Cup, season change, football-specific stadiums, pushing for more gov funding, etc. well if they can satisfactorily execute these in a timely manner then we are off to a good start
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+x+x+xMost of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (accept probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out. The pdf on the FFA's page is huge. There's a lot in there; Women's FFA Cup, season change, football-specific stadiums, pushing for more gov funding, etc. well if they can satisfactorily execute these in a timely manner then we are off to a good start Well said.
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+xMost of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (accept probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out. Agree massive corporate wank speak. Useless without details.
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+xMost of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (accept probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out. Sort of agree ...but any organization has to have guiding principles to frame their way forward. These are all good ones and allow us to hold the FFA to account if they go against them . It is a good starting position .
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Principles are easy to write. I want to see an actual plan and timeline for achieving those things.
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+xPrinciples are easy to write. I want to see an actual plan and timeline for achieving those things. They sure are. So, any mention of a NSD ? Any mention of pro-rel ?
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+x+xPrinciples are easy to write. I want to see an actual plan and timeline for achieving those things. They sure are. Oh, you're back. So, any mention of a NSD ?
Yes. Page 27. Any mention of pro-rel ?
Yes. Page 28. A domestic transfer market and an ACL spot for the FFA Cup winner are also discussed, but I've only skimmed it so far.
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+x+x+xPrinciples are easy to write. I want to see an actual plan and timeline for achieving those things. They sure are. So, any mention of a NSD ?
Yes. Page 27. Oh, you mean "Consider the development of a second-tier competition" ? LOL! Yeah nah, that doesn't necessarily mean a NSD...Any mention of pro-rel ?
Yes. Page 28. I can't seem to see it... ?
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So, any mention of a NSD ? Yes. Page 27. Oh, you mean "Consider the development of a second-tier competition" ? LOL! Yeah nah, that doesn't necessarily mean a NSD... It's a discussion paper. The purpose of the document is to discuss plans, not announce plans. Any mention of pro-rel ? Yes. Page 28. I can't seem to see it... ?
Check again. Page 28 page discusses regulatory framework for leagues and gives several examples around the world for access to competitions. The first example listed is pro/rel, specifically Mexico's Liga MX's model.
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+xSo, any mention of a NSD ? Yes. Page 27. Oh, you mean "Consider the development of a second-tier competition" ? LOL! Yeah nah, that doesn't necessarily mean a NSD... It's a discussion paper. The purpose of the document is to discuss plans, not announce plans. So you mean no...Any mention of pro-rel ? Yes. Page 28. I can't seem to see it... ?
Check again. This page discusses regulatory framework for leagues and gives several examples around the world for access, including pro/rel. Would you be so kind as to quote the part that specifically mentions pro-rel for me please ?
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+x+xSo, any mention of a NSD ? Yes. Page 27. Oh, you mean "Consider the development of a second-tier competition" ? LOL! Yeah nah, that doesn't necessarily mean a NSD... It's a discussion paper. The purpose of the document is to discuss plans, not announce plans. So you mean no...Any mention of pro-rel ? Yes. Page 28. I can't seem to see it... ?
Check again. This page discusses regulatory framework for leagues and gives several examples around the world for access, including pro/rel. Would you be so kind as to quote the part that specifically mentions pro-rel for me please ? Would you be so kind as to quote the part that specifically mentions pro-rel for me please ?
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+x+xPrinciples are easy to write. I want to see an actual plan and timeline for achieving those things. They sure are. So, any mention of a NSD ? Any mention of pro-rel ? Exactly. Fuck all. A generous interpretation would say that's possibly under point 2.
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He’s done alot in a short amount of time all ready Imo. Good signs.
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“Driving support for the FIFA Club World Cup concept to access what is projected to be a US$11 billion competition.”
move back to Oceania. OFC champion will play in this tournament.
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“Optimise the competition structure of the FFA Cup, such as transitioning into a group stage, to enhance its ability to engage with the roots of Australian football and increase the number of matches being played and match minutes to encourage player production. The FFA Cup to be the last match of our football season.”
in Sweden it is group stages. It’s shit. 2 teams get 2 home games and the other 2 1 home game
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+x“Optimise the competition structure of the FFA Cup, such as transitioning into a group stage, to enhance its ability to engage with the roots of Australian football and increase the number of matches being played and match minutes to encourage player production. The FFA Cup to be the last match of our football season.” in Sweden it is group stages. It’s shit. 2 teams get 2 home games and the other 2 1 home game yes fuck that shit if you want group stage put it in the NPL Finals and make that competition Australia's version of Europa
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+x+x“Optimise the competition structure of the FFA Cup, such as transitioning into a group stage, to enhance its ability to engage with the roots of Australian football and increase the number of matches being played and match minutes to encourage player production. The FFA Cup to be the last match of our football season.” in Sweden it is group stages. It’s shit. 2 teams get 2 home games and the other 2 1 home game yes fuck that shit if you want group stage put it in the NPL Finals and make that competition Australia's version of Europa Season is April to November. They wanted more games in pre season. Group stage is pre season. R1 & R2 is played year before; R1 32 div 1 & 2 bye. 64 lower leagues (allocated spots via county federation size) R2 32 div 1 & 2 away against 32 R1 winners away Group - eg. for 2020 cup The 16 highest remaining ranked teams from div1 & div2 are seeded from 2019 season. So winner from div 1 is 1, last is 16. If a team is knocked out from div 1 everyone under moves up one, so div2 winner would become 16 etc. Then it’s 1 & 16 in one group, 2 & 15 in next 3 & 14 etc. “All teams in the group stage will play each other once, the highest-ranked teams from the previous rounds and teams from tier three or lower will have the right to play two home matches.” R16 is an open draw
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“- Set a strategy to increase Australian ‘spots’ in the ACL and through negotiation with AFC provide a ‘spot’ or ‘half spot’ for the winner of the FFA Cup.”
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Is the a-league separating or not? Why is the shape of the a-league being dictated to in a FFA document?
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+xIs the a-league separating or not? Why is the shape of the a-league being dictated to in a FFA document? No it is not.
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+x+xIs the a-league separating or not? Why is the shape of the a-league being dictated to in a FFA document? No it is not. Then what the fuck was the point of bringing the FFA to the edge of collapse!!! Out of that chaos whe've had sponsors leave, ratings/crowds drop significantly and a drop in TV rights far bigger than other codes % wise. What the fuck is wrong with the owners?
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@ paladisious
I see a mention of "promotion", but nothing about relegation which is, you know, the "rel" in pro-rel...
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+x@ paladisious I see a mention of "promotion", but nothing about relegation which is, you know, the "rel" in pro-rel...
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+x+x@ paladisious I see a mention of "promotion", but nothing about relegation which is, you know, the "rel" in pro-rel...  +x@ paladisious I see a mention of "promotion", but nothing about relegation which is, you know, the "rel" in pro-rel... No word from you in the World Cup bid that we won 😁
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+x+x@ paladisious I see a mention of "promotion", but nothing about relegation which is, you know, the "rel" in pro-rel...  Just don’t engage with him if he continues to be a fuckwit.
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“Ensuring effective spending to control and bring balance to escalating costs.” Salary cap
“Introduce measures to increase the length of time players stay with their clubs to develop a stronger connection between the club, player, and fan (e.g. Matt McKay and Claire Polkinghorne at Brisbane Roar).” Salary cap allowances
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+x“Ensuring effective spending to control and bring balance to escalating costs.” Salary cap “Introduce measures to increase the length of time players stay with their clubs to develop a stronger connection between the club, player, and fan (e.g. Matt McKay and Claire Polkinghorne at Brisbane Roar).” Salary cap allowances The first point should be No - Clubs have budgets, they should be able to know what they can and cant afford to spend. They are not little children. The second point should be No - Again, clubs know what players they need and for how long. I don't understand why anyone has to interfere at all in the recruitment of a player to a club or incentivize a players stay.
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+x+x“Ensuring effective spending to control and bring balance to escalating costs.” Salary cap “Introduce measures to increase the length of time players stay with their clubs to develop a stronger connection between the club, player, and fan (e.g. Matt McKay and Claire Polkinghorne at Brisbane Roar).” Salary cap allowances The first point should be No - Clubs have budgets, they should be able to know what they can and cant afford to spend. They are not little children. The second point should be No - Again, clubs know what players they need and for how long. I don't understand why anyone has to interfere at all in the recruitment of a player to a club or incentivize a players stay. This. Never understood the argument otherwise. If a club does fuck up the rest of the league can be protected by a points deduction and probable relegation to a level they can financially regroup at.
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Are we allowed to play International club friendlies without having to be pay a fee to the FFA. That was one thing that Gallop / De Bohun brought in that made absolutely no sense at all. I would love to see that scrapped.
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+xAre we allowed to play International club friendlies without having to be pay a fee to the FFA. That was one thing that Gallop / De Bohun brought in that made absolutely no sense at all. I would love to see that scrapped. That is a terrible thing. I don’t think Man U or Juventus care if they play WSW or Allstars. Just as long as they get paid. Doesn’t it come down to ownership or ip of the clubs? As long as FFA control the franchise system and ips they will charge the match fee for using their product. With a season change we may see midseason break to play these matches. Even worse if it’s like MLS and they play when season is on.
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+x+xAre we allowed to play International club friendlies without having to be pay a fee to the FFA. That was one thing that Gallop / De Bohun brought in that made absolutely no sense at all. I would love to see that scrapped. That is a terrible thing. I don’t think Man U or Juventus care if they play WSW or Allstars. Just as long as they get paid. Doesn’t it come down to ownership or ip of the clubs? As long as FFA control the franchise system and ips they will charge the match fee for using their product. With a season change we may see midseason break to play these matches. Even worse if it’s like MLS and they play when season is on. Plus, the officials have to get paid too.
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Wonder if there was direct wording in the full report about a Second Division. The current and existing comps mean A League and NPL. What does more minutes for youth mean? Will the youth play 26 weeks of football, or play 5 matches instead of 3 matches per season in the A League, 15 mins per match instead of 4 minutes of injury time per contribution?
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Better than Gallop's rubbish
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It's only taken 15 years but the bright sparks have figured out if we can develop top players, we could make some money!!!!
15 freaken years man!!!!
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In all honesty the FFA and the A-league risks another split in the game when it can ill afford one especially in this environment. I know it wont happen but I would love to see a situation develop in Australia as occurred in India. The only difference being that an FFA style governance model would be going from a franchise system to a club/open tiered system. It would certainly have the backing of FIFA even though they would not be impressed that there is a breakaway competition. The clubs at the NPL level already threatened doing this which forced Gallops hand. If FIFA had to choose between the current FFA and a new one that promoted pro/rel and the like I wonder which way they would choose. Honestly I am getting so fed up with the promises and no action on this. In all honesty this is holding back football in Australia. I like the A-league but I would love an environment that promotes pro/rel. The clubs would be forced to immediately change, new players would enter the market, clubs would merge, it would be very dynamic and there would be no room for complacency. It would strengthen us as a football nation, not make it weaker.
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I think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc...
He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him...
To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups...
If he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will have support of many within the broader Football community
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+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored.
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+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need.
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+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/
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+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R.
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+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. “For the benefit of the National Teams and grassroots programs, the NLWG has identified a number of ongoing funding opportunities that the Leagues will provide, including: • FFA will receive 10% yields from the sale of new Club licenses and on the net profits from any sale of existing licenses.” https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/news/new-leagues-working-group-nlwg-reaches-principle-agreement-recommendations-a-new-era-footballAFC have stated in India if pro rel is brought in the franchise license becomes invalid. I guess FFA could run NSD and APFCA could take a license fee (take over if a team went down) from promoted clubs. In the case of AL expansion they would want a fee.
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+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. So long as the top tier is run under a franchise model there will be no real football progress as main concern is always about protecting franchisee's investments and football comes second.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. So long as the top tier is run under a franchise model there will be no real football progress as main concern is always about protecting franchisee's investments and football comes second. Because clubs not under a franchise model aren’t all about protecting their investment?
Evidence from Europe suggests that’s exactly what they do.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. So long as the top tier is run under a franchise model there will be no real football progress as main concern is always about protecting franchisee's investments and football comes second. Because clubs not under a franchise model aren’t all about protecting their investment?
Evidence from Europe suggests that’s exactly what they do. true, no one can argue PL/Clubs and the like protect themselves BUT AJF is right, whilst we have another tier, our top one as a separate entity via Franchise it will always be a mountain to climb to enhance change with those below them. It will always be about money, much more for them or more so not agreeing. I could be wrong, maybe it will be managed well together but I doubt it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. So long as the top tier is run under a franchise model there will be no real football progress as main concern is always about protecting franchisee's investments and football comes second. Because clubs not under a franchise model aren’t all about protecting their investment?
Evidence from Europe suggests that’s exactly what they do. you talk crap sometimes Waz, in an open pyramid the only thing that protects your investment is performance so clubs invest to stay up. Similarly, entry to higher tiers is based on performance. Strong survive, weak get relegated to their level. Franchise models, like AL, MLS and McDonalds are focused on placing artificial impediments to restrict competition amongst franchisees and maximize their investment return, decisions like where new francise's are located are based on metrics and not performance (ie lets add more derbies to main markets of Melb and Syd). I mean it is embarrassing that O'Rourke feels like he has to ask AL coaches to play attacking football to improve the product so fans may come back! Talk about peak AL. Coaches urged to remove shackles and entertain in A-League restarthttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-bonanza-revealed-27-games-in-28-days-one-week-finals-series-20200701-p557zf.htmlNice attempt at deflection but franchise model is dying, football public has lost interest in the stale product they are serving and if we dont quickly move to a traditional competition and club system, the few Fan Boi's like you that are still interested will be looking for new teams to support
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. So long as the top tier is run under a franchise model there will be no real football progress as main concern is always about protecting franchisee's investments and football comes second. Because clubs not under a franchise model aren’t all about protecting their investment?
Evidence from Europe suggests that’s exactly what they do. you talk crap sometimes Waz, in an open pyramid the only thing that protects your investment is performance so clubs invest to stay up. Similarly, entry to higher tiers is based on performance. Strong survive, weak get relegated to their level. Franchise models, like AL, MLS and McDonalds are focused on placing artificial impediments to restrict competition amongst franchisees and maximize their investment return, decisions like where new francise's are located are based on metrics and not performance (ie lets add more derbies to main markets of Melb and Syd). I mean it is embarrassing that O'Rourke feels like he has to ask AL coaches to play attacking football to improve the product so fans may come back! Talk about peak AL. Coaches urged to remove shackles and entertain in A-League restarthttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-bonanza-revealed-27-games-in-28-days-one-week-finals-series-20200701-p557zf.htmlNice attempt at deflection but franchise model is dying, football public has lost interest in the stale product they are serving and if we dont quickly move to a traditional competition and club system, the few Fan Boi's like you that are still interested will be looking for new teams to support It doesn’t seem to matter what model has been used, as every decade or so we go through boom and bust cycles. The NSL used a more conventional club model and failed, so there’s more to it than that. We need to find ways to embed the game and having infighting at every turn is never going to help us, which has been one of the key reasons for the lack of interest by many in recent years.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. So long as the top tier is run under a franchise model there will be no real football progress as main concern is always about protecting franchisee's investments and football comes second. Because clubs not under a franchise model aren’t all about protecting their investment?
Evidence from Europe suggests that’s exactly what they do. you talk crap sometimes Waz, in an open pyramid the only thing that protects your investment is performance so clubs invest to stay up. Similarly, entry to higher tiers is based on performance. Strong survive, weak get relegated to their level. Franchise models, like AL, MLS and McDonalds are focused on placing artificial impediments to restrict competition amongst franchisees and maximize their investment return, decisions like where new francise's are located are based on metrics and not performance (ie lets add more derbies to main markets of Melb and Syd). I mean it is embarrassing that O'Rourke feels like he has to ask AL coaches to play attacking football to improve the product so fans may come back! Talk about peak AL. Coaches urged to remove shackles and entertain in A-League restarthttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-bonanza-revealed-27-games-in-28-days-one-week-finals-series-20200701-p557zf.htmlNice attempt at deflection but franchise model is dying, football public has lost interest in the stale product they are serving and if we dont quickly move to a traditional competition and club system, the few Fan Boi's like you that are still interested will be looking for new teams to support It doesn’t seem to matter what model has been used, as every decade or so we go through boom and bust cycles. The NSL used a more conventional club model and failed, so there’s more to it than that. We need to find ways to embed the game and having infighting at every turn is never going to help us, which has been one of the key reasons for the lack of interest by many in recent years. The NSL didnt fail, it was killed by Lowy. The fact that 3 non effnik teams moved from the NSL to AL and all the old NSL clubs still exist (with their facilities) tells you that. NSL wasnt perfect and I agree it was probably time for a change, but what we have ended up with is a road to nowhere. I mean despite being the "biggest" and most profitable team in the AL, the fact MV still trains on a public park tells you the last 15 years have been squandered.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. So long as the top tier is run under a franchise model there will be no real football progress as main concern is always about protecting franchisee's investments and football comes second. Because clubs not under a franchise model aren’t all about protecting their investment?
Evidence from Europe suggests that’s exactly what they do. you talk crap sometimes Waz, in an open pyramid the only thing that protects your investment is performance so clubs invest to stay up. Similarly, entry to higher tiers is based on performance. Strong survive, weak get relegated to their level. Franchise models, like AL, MLS and McDonalds are focused on placing artificial impediments to restrict competition amongst franchisees and maximize their investment return, decisions like where new francise's are located are based on metrics and not performance (ie lets add more derbies to main markets of Melb and Syd). I mean it is embarrassing that O'Rourke feels like he has to ask AL coaches to play attacking football to improve the product so fans may come back! Talk about peak AL. Coaches urged to remove shackles and entertain in A-League restarthttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-bonanza-revealed-27-games-in-28-days-one-week-finals-series-20200701-p557zf.htmlNice attempt at deflection but franchise model is dying, football public has lost interest in the stale product they are serving and if we dont quickly move to a traditional competition and club system, the few Fan Boi's like you that are still interested will be looking for new teams to support It doesn’t seem to matter what model has been used, as every decade or so we go through boom and bust cycles. The NSL used a more conventional club model and failed, so there’s more to it than that. We need to find ways to embed the game and having infighting at every turn is never going to help us, which has been one of the key reasons for the lack of interest by many in recent years. The NSL didnt fail, it was killed by Lowy. The fact that 3 non effnik teams moved from the NSL to AL and all the old NSL clubs still exist (with their facilities) tells you that. NSL wasnt perfect and I agree it was probably time for a change, but what we have ended up with is a road to nowhere. I mean despite being the "biggest" and most profitable team in the AL, the fact MV still trains on a public park tells you the last 15 years have been squandered. Factual correction. The NSL was killed by John Howard with Lowy as his henchman.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored. We don't have an argument there... Also as i amended my post later if he can create a 35 to 40 week competition with P & R, he will get lots of support. I long argued that the Lowies could manage any top 10 company in Australia ... but not be able to manage a park team canteen... In my lifetime only two people hhhmmm maybe three has understood the importance of connecting to local park teams ... Nick Tana at Perth Glory in the NSL, and before him various managers at Newcastle teams... The Northern Spirit copied PG and it worked... You could maybe go back further, but from David Hill [league & cricket], Ian Knob [I think thats how it was spelt league], JON [union], BB {AFL], Gallop [Cricket & League]. but we have never had well never had for years a Football person in charge and even when we had Football folk in charge most had biases many to their clubs. I like he said he wants to here from fans and sites will remain open to the end of the month. No idea if he will succeed, but he is a Football person, with no connection to any stakeholder group, and in various jobs at the PFA, AFC & FIFA a wealth of experience... he is on paper what we have always wanted... I hope he lives up to his potential and gets the support he will need. Nikou already made the statement last year at a fan event- “Football fans eager to see promotion and relegation in the A-League are set for a long wait. FFA chairman Chris Nikou has told a Football Writers' Festival in NSW that promotion and relegation is unlikely to occur any time soon. "The current A-League clubs have a licence till 2034 so promotion and relegation earlier than that is not likely," Nikou, a guest speaker at the festival, said. "I might point out that the FFA has a right to change that but in the current climate it would not be right for me to take this any further." https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5971295/no-a-league-relegation-rush-from-ffa-chair/ Maybe BUT Thats not what the license want today. If an Australian Professional league was developed to a stage whereby investors could recover their investment they would accept P & R. So long as the top tier is run under a franchise model there will be no real football progress as main concern is always about protecting franchisee's investments and football comes second. Because clubs not under a franchise model aren’t all about protecting their investment?
Evidence from Europe suggests that’s exactly what they do. you talk crap sometimes Waz, in an open pyramid the only thing that protects your investment is performance so clubs invest to stay up. Similarly, entry to higher tiers is based on performance. Strong survive, weak get relegated to their level. Franchise models, like AL, MLS and McDonalds are focused on placing artificial impediments to restrict competition amongst franchisees and maximize their investment return, decisions like where new francise's are located are based on metrics and not performance (ie lets add more derbies to main markets of Melb and Syd). I mean it is embarrassing that O'Rourke feels like he has to ask AL coaches to play attacking football to improve the product so fans may come back! Talk about peak AL. Coaches urged to remove shackles and entertain in A-League restarthttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-bonanza-revealed-27-games-in-28-days-one-week-finals-series-20200701-p557zf.htmlNice attempt at deflection but franchise model is dying, football public has lost interest in the stale product they are serving and if we dont quickly move to a traditional competition and club system, the few Fan Boi's like you that are still interested will be looking for new teams to support It doesn’t seem to matter what model has been used, as every decade or so we go through boom and bust cycles. The NSL used a more conventional club model and failed, so there’s more to it than that. We need to find ways to embed the game and having infighting at every turn is never going to help us, which has been one of the key reasons for the lack of interest by many in recent years. The NSL failed because it wasnt professional. It didnt have commercial support and the best it could amount to was a breeding ground for overseas clubs The A League was supposed to open football up to commercial opportunities and improve the pathway. It was supposed to close the gap between the top league and the next level and Lowy even said he wanted 50% of the Socceroos team to be Australian based players for home games (back in the days of club v country debate) Instead the A League got greedy with metrics and now its about nothing but the commercial side of the game People who follow the Australian game do so because they are interested in an Australian league and Australian teams. By default they accept we'll never have the best players here but we'll at least have a decent league we can follow. At least one with dignity If anybody thinks the game here is boring unless CCM have a chance of winning the title, they are clearly the wrong audience and they should find another league to follow. The FFA need to go back to 2003 and start over. Look at what was important to the game then and deliver it
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+x+xI think this is real progress ... my hope is we unite behind JJ ... to date history in Australian Football is so many people believe they have the answers ... ego's, etc... He can't do it by himself ... he needs key stakeholders behind him... To date JJ seems to have the support of key stakeholder groups... Thats all very well and good but the biggest and most important stakeholders continually get ignored.
The Players?
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How many plans have we had over the years? Way too many to talk about here - I mean, who can forget old-FFAs ‘Whole of Football Plan’ supported by their communist-style 5 and 20 year plans?
I don’t dislike what I read here, but it’s just the latest PDF document with a nice plan in it. Yes the points in this one seems more pertinent, specific and relevant to anything we’ve seen before BUT like any plan - it’s all about the execution! Can new FFA get that right?
I’m a big supporter of pro/rel and it’s an interesting debate on these pages and is somewhat of an omission here - but p/r won’t fix anything and introduced at the wrong time would kill the professional game.
So I see pro/rel as an outcome of all this: if we have a healthy top tier, a healthy national second division, a healthy group of clubs underneath that organised in a relevant and working pyramid then p/r can work, but not before (putting p/r in place now would be like building a house and trying to put the roof on before the foundations and walls)
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My very first thought was: no P&R coming any time soon.
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What happened to "Whole of Football plan" This is just another corporate spin that will be forgotten about as quick as it has been written
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+x+xMost of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (accept probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out. The pdf on the FFA's page is huge. There's a lot in there; Women's FFA Cup, season change, football-specific stadiums, pushing for more gov funding, etc. +x+x+xMost of those points would have been agreed to by the FFA at all stages of A-League history (accept probably 3). The rest are such broad corporatese statements that until we have the specifics elaborated on effectively mean nothing. I am optimistic but we need them fleshed out. The pdf on the FFA's page is huge. There's a lot in there; Women's FFA Cup, season change, football-specific stadiums, pushing for more gov funding, etc. Direct link to the PDFEDIT: Pala beat me to it Thanks. Appreciate that :) *On another note, more embarrassed that I wrote accept instead of except :Whistling:
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My main concern it doesn't seem to mention pro-rel directly, unless im mistaken about point 4 in the principles.
Hes hoping its well received unlike the hopeless 20 year plan Gallop put out 5 years ago.
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I'm up to page 25, it's an interesting document & discussion piece. Everyone should have a squizz.
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what a steaming pile of hot vapid air 11 great examples of how to actually say nothing who is getting paid to waste their time doing this shit?
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+xwhat a steaming pile of hot vapid air 11 great examples of how to actually say nothing who is getting paid to waste their time doing this shit? In summary form it is the usual buzzwords, but the underlying concepts are right.
The biggest issue currently is many of these points are going to take a lot of compromise and open up bigger divisions in the short term, as any rebuilding process is fraught with challenges. Hope JJ is as ready for that as he says he is.
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+x+xwhat a steaming pile of hot vapid air 11 great examples of how to actually say nothing who is getting paid to waste their time doing this shit? In summary form it is the usual buzzwords, but the underlying concepts are right.
The biggest issue currently is many of these points are going to take a lot of compromise and open up bigger divisions in the short term, as any rebuilding process is fraught with challenges. Hope JJ is as ready for that as he says he is. And that is exactly the point. If he came out and said this is the way the way things will happen people would disagree with him for not consulting and say their pet view is best. JJ is not saying these are the solutions. I'm sure he has his views on what are the solutions for each of the areas but he needs to consult the stake holders. He is saying these are the principles against which we should be judging any solutions against and these are the areas that need to be addressed. It is not a solutions documents - but the solutions will based on it.
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+x+xwhat a steaming pile of hot vapid air 11 great examples of how to actually say nothing who is getting paid to waste their time doing this shit? In summary form it is the usual buzzwords, but the underlying concepts are right.
The biggest issue currently is many of these points are going to take a lot of compromise and open up bigger divisions in the short term, as any rebuilding process is fraught with challenges. Hope JJ is as ready for that as he says he is. I don’t think it is the usual buzzwords - not from the FFA at least. under Gallop’s leadership we got very holistic statements and crucially, very little execution.
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Would be happy with England 2030 then 3034
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+xWould be happy with England 2030 then 3034 Will any of us be around in 3034?
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Southern South America will surely host a centennial 2030, and after hosting the 2023 Asian Cup China will be hard to beat for 2034, meaning the next possible time we could host would be 2042.
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+xSouthern South America will surely host a centennial 2030, and after hosting the 2023 Asian Cup China will be hard to beat for 2034, meaning the next possible time we could host would be 2042. Agree with South America for 2030 - apparently to be shared between 4 countries. 2034 Morocco will probably bid for as well and would only be the second African country. We then need to get AFC support ahead of China. We have already delivered a good 2015 Asian Cup and if we deliver a great 2023 WWC then we may sneak ahead there. Again a combined bid with New Zealand and Indonesia may be the way to go.
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+x+xSouthern South America will surely host a centennial 2030, and after hosting the 2023 Asian Cup China will be hard to beat for 2034, meaning the next possible time we could host would be 2042. Agree with South America for 2030 - apparently to be shared between 4 countries. 2034 Morocco will probably bid for as well and would only be the second African country. We then need to get AFC support ahead of China. We have already delivered a good 2015 Asian Cup and if we deliver a great 2023 WWC then we may sneak ahead there. Again a combined bid with New Zealand and Indonesia may be the way to go. I'd like to see us as an equal parter in an AFF bid. They're already going for 2034: https://www.bangkokpost.com/sports/1768444/thailand-to-lead-asean-bid-for-2034-world-cupThat article actually says that Indonesia and Australia had held talks about a joint 2034 bid earlier, so maybe that means we'd be allowed to join in.
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+x+x+xSouthern South America will surely host a centennial 2030, and after hosting the 2023 Asian Cup China will be hard to beat for 2034, meaning the next possible time we could host would be 2042. Agree with South America for 2030 - apparently to be shared between 4 countries. 2034 Morocco will probably bid for as well and would only be the second African country. We then need to get AFC support ahead of China. We have already delivered a good 2015 Asian Cup and if we deliver a great 2023 WWC then we may sneak ahead there. Again a combined bid with New Zealand and Indonesia may be the way to go. I'd like to see us as an equal parter in an AFF bid. They're already going for 2034: https://www.bangkokpost.com/sports/1768444/thailand-to-lead-asean-bid-for-2034-world-cupThat article actually says that Indonesia and Australia had held talks about a joint 2034 bid earlier, so maybe that means we'd be allowed to join in. That's a very interesting concept. Singapore and Indonesia already have or are building stadiums with retractable roofs. 55,000 in Singapore and 82,000 in Jakarta.. KL also has a 87,000 stadium used for the Commonwealth Games but it has a running track around it, Vietnam looks a long shot and Thailand can probably only cater for group stage games at the moment. If you assumed Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia and us then we would host at least 20 games and 12 teams for the group stages, Throw in Auckland (the only stadium that would comply) and you would have an ASEAN-Oceania bid. That could be a compelling case against a China bid since none of those countries will likely get to host on their own. Indonesia could be a hub, Singapore and Malaysia and Australia NZ a third The only stadium in Sydney would be the upgraded Homebush, SFS will only be around 42,000. AAMI and Lang Park would all need to be expanded/upgraded. Adelaide would surely get their CBD stadium that they have talked about for years. If Perth want any games then Optus would need to be made available or a new stadium built (possible but unlikely). TBH though unless UEFA beats Sth America for 2030 they would 2034.
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+x+x+x+xSouthern South America will surely host a centennial 2030, and after hosting the 2023 Asian Cup China will be hard to beat for 2034, meaning the next possible time we could host would be 2042. Agree with South America for 2030 - apparently to be shared between 4 countries. 2034 Morocco will probably bid for as well and would only be the second African country. We then need to get AFC support ahead of China. We have already delivered a good 2015 Asian Cup and if we deliver a great 2023 WWC then we may sneak ahead there. Again a combined bid with New Zealand and Indonesia may be the way to go. I'd like to see us as an equal parter in an AFF bid. They're already going for 2034: https://www.bangkokpost.com/sports/1768444/thailand-to-lead-asean-bid-for-2034-world-cupThat article actually says that Indonesia and Australia had held talks about a joint 2034 bid earlier, so maybe that means we'd be allowed to join in. That's a very interesting concept. Singapore and Indonesia already have or are building stadiums with retractable roofs. 55,000 in Singapore and 82,000 in Jakarta.. KL also has a 87,000 stadium used for the Commonwealth Games but it has a running track around it, Vietnam looks a long shot and Thailand can probably only cater for group stage games at the moment. Malaysia actually have two athletics stadiums in the 80k range, the 87k from the Commonwealth Games and another 80k one. The new 82k rectangular Jakarta International Stadium looks like it will be awesome and surely the leading candidate for the final for an AFF WC. Even Cambodia are building a brand new 75k athletics stadium for the 2023 Southeast Asian Games. Thailand really should build a new rectangular stadium where the old National Stadium is (site of my first international away trip, not to be confused with Rajamangala Stadium which is where their national team plays, but is only a 50k athletics stadium) as it's right in a great location in downtown Bangkok at the centre of their public transport. Of course, China are going to blow everyone out of the water. Guangzhou Evergrande have already started on their $1.7 billion 100k seater rectangular stadium, scheduled to finish at the end of 2022 so would presumably be used for the 2023 Asian Cup. It will eclipse the Nou Camp as the largest association football stadium in the world. They released a new design for the roof yesterday:   Evergrande (the company) plan to build two to five more 80k stadiums around China as well.
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No chance. 16 years without tourny in South America, 12 in Europe, 20 in Africa and only 8 since what would have been a disastrous tournament held by the Asian confederation
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Whilst its a bit corny, I like the idea of the 11 principles. Something a little bit different to grab some attention. The summary reads well. It is worthwhile not having a timeline on it, as there are a lot of issues which can hold things up. Once a deadline is missed, the nay sayers then come running. Better to not be specific, even though that engenders some angst from people.
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Let us save FFA lots of time and money on research, what is needed are these;
a) Transfer fees b) SECOND DIVISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! try and fail rather than never try !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! c) Further Expansion d) Lower fees to pay for juniors by Parents, get rid of bottom up system to fund seniors e) Youth rep teams to play more than 7 matches a year, minimum 20 matches
Each of these can be ticked off as each task is completed!
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+xLet us save FFA lots of time and money on research, what is needed are these; a) Transfer fees b) SECOND DIVISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! try and fail rather than never try !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! c) Further Expansion d) Lower fees to pay for juniors by Parents, get rid of bottom up system to fund seniors e) Youth rep teams to play more than 7 matches a year, minimum 20 matches Each of these can be ticked off as each task is completed! Point a,d & e are linked, if NPL and community clubs got transfer fees, then watch them lower fees and promote youth (ie give them more game time) as it would be an easy revenue source.
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Just quickly on the franchise argument i.e. Hal clubs ... most NSL clubs were also franchise clubs ...
I, one million zillion % agree we need to move to P & R .... but all or most clubs across the two divisions will be franchise clubs..
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+xJust quickly on the franchise argument i.e. Hal clubs ... most NSL clubs were also franchise clubs ... I, one million zillion % agree we need to move to P & R .... but all or most clubs across the two divisions will be franchise clubs.. We need the German model of club ownership.
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+xJust quickly on the franchise argument i.e. Hal clubs ... most NSL clubs were also franchise clubs ... I, one million zillion % agree we need to move to P & R .... but all or most clubs across the two divisions will be franchise clubs.. A lot of people arent prepared for that reality A professional game requires a professional and commercial set up. Some governments and local investors will back existing clubs (such as Wollongong) where as others will try to consolidate support in a region by creating a new club instead of backing one of 5 or 6 clubs in the region At the end of the day its a moot point. We need a professional and competitive league in place and whatever gets us that outcome is the best system. IMO people wanting their state league clubs at the top level is no different to those who want an AFL / NRL model. Its people chasing a romantic idea of how they want the game to work instead of whats practical Throw the bids out to the community and see what comes back
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+xJust quickly on the franchise argument i.e. Hal clubs ... most NSL clubs were also franchise clubs ... I, one million zillion % agree we need to move to P & R .... but all or most clubs across the two divisions will be franchise clubs.. ~ That's how I interpreted the FFA discussion paper.
On page 42: ------------------------------- PROPOSED MEASURES Create a new model for the A-League, W-League and Y-League which is relevant to and reflects the current circumstances of Australian football • Any new model should be designed to: - Ensure clearly defined roles and responsibilities which promote alignment of objectives between FFA and Clubs. - Increase ability for Clubs to control operations and strategy for the professional leagues in alignment with FFA’s broader strategy for the game. - Empower FFA to act as the regulator of the professional leagues. - Promote increased performance and greater accountability for all levels, including FFA, the professional leagues and Clubs. - Evolve the Club Participation Agreement framework to a Club Licensing System to improve standards, capability,and accountability within the professional Clubs and across the professional leagues. - Reduce operational costs and increase operating efficiencies through streamlined and shared management. -------------------------------
May not be a bad thing though. Whereas the current "participation agreement" likely only has commercial based requirements attached such as crowd sizes, etc., the new thinking may be to insert more meaningful requirements into the contract that will see better run clubs that produce improved quality of play and player development. Also, "across the professional leagues" I take to mean the 2nd division, if a professional 2nd division manages to get off the ground.
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+x+xJust quickly on the franchise argument i.e. Hal clubs ... most NSL clubs were also franchise clubs ... I, one million zillion % agree we need to move to P & R .... but all or most clubs across the two divisions will be franchise clubs.. ~ That's how I interpreted the FFA discussion paper.
On page 42: ------------------------------- PROPOSED MEASURES Create a new model for the A-League, W-League and Y-League which is relevant to and reflects the current circumstances of Australian football • Any new model should be designed to: - Ensure clearly defined roles and responsibilities which promote alignment of objectives between FFA and Clubs. - Increase ability for Clubs to control operations and strategy for the professional leagues in alignment with FFA’s broader strategy for the game. - Empower FFA to act as the regulator of the professional leagues. - Promote increased performance and greater accountability for all levels, including FFA, the professional leagues and Clubs. - Evolve the Club Participation Agreement framework to a Club Licensing System to improve standards, capability,and accountability within the professional Clubs and across the professional leagues. - Reduce operational costs and increase operating efficiencies through streamlined and shared management. -------------------------------
May not be a bad thing though. Whereas the current "participation agreement" likely only has commercial based requirements attached such as crowd sizes, etc., the new thinking may be to insert more meaningful requirements into the contract that will see better run clubs that produce improved quality of play and player development. Also, "across the professional leagues" I take to mean the 2nd division, if a professional 2nd division manages to get off the ground. It’s pretty vague. in the vision part at the beginning it says; “Our second-tier competitions are administered effectively and play a key role in the player pathway.” What does that mean? Non pro or NSD Does it mean AL and WL 2nd tier or all the NPLs together as 2nd tier?
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+x+xJust quickly on the franchise argument i.e. Hal clubs ... most NSL clubs were also franchise clubs ... I, one million zillion % agree we need to move to P & R .... but all or most clubs across the two divisions will be franchise clubs.. ~ That's how I interpreted the FFA discussion paper.
On page 42: ------------------------------- PROPOSED MEASURES Create a new model for the A-League, W-League and Y-League which is relevant to and reflects the current circumstances of Australian football • Any new model should be designed to: - Ensure clearly defined roles and responsibilities which promote alignment of objectives between FFA and Clubs. - Increase ability for Clubs to control operations and strategy for the professional leagues in alignment with FFA’s broader strategy for the game. - Empower FFA to act as the regulator of the professional leagues. - Promote increased performance and greater accountability for all levels, including FFA, the professional leagues and Clubs. - Evolve the Club Participation Agreement framework to a Club Licensing System to improve standards, capability,and accountability within the professional Clubs and across the professional leagues. - Reduce operational costs and increase operating efficiencies through streamlined and shared management. -------------------------------
May not be a bad thing though. Whereas the current "participation agreement" likely only has commercial based requirements attached such as crowd sizes, etc., the new thinking may be to insert more meaningful requirements into the contract that will see better run clubs that produce improved quality of play and player development. Also, "across the professional leagues" I take to mean the 2nd division, if a professional 2nd division manages to get off the ground. You do realise that whole “creating a new model” is just a consultants way of saying getting divorce finalised and iAL done. Easy box to tick for JJ and new FFA
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For those interested in the history of the transfer system https://spartacus-educational.com/Ftransfer.htm
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reduce the finals to a top 4 and have bottom 8 play in the NPL finals with that comp being rebranded as being Australia's europa
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If ever anyone asks for an example of a ‘motherhood statement’, point them at these principles. Corporate Australia has been sticking principles like this on the walls of their offices for years. “We will instil a culture of honesty ....”, “we will value the contribution of all staff...”, “We will adopt innovative, best of breed, practices and embrace diversity ...”, blah blah blah. Has anyone here ever watched ‘Utopia’?
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A lot of it is motherhood statement, but there are some concrete proposals in there. Albeit some of them I would be against, like renaming the A-League (to what? what's the point? the brand itself isn't so toxic that it needs to be abandoned), or renaming FFA to Football Australia (again, what's the point? Also, I hate those kind of corporate names like "World Rugby", "Netball Australia" etc.).
But the big opportunity I would think is the consulting period. This gives us fans the chance to actually voice our opinions in a way that the FFA might actually listen to and take action on for once. Unlike the previous "Whole of Football" plan, which was entirely cooked up in-house, this can mean that our voices are heard on things like a pro-rel, A-League expansion, length of season, etc.
My sense is that James Johnson wants to have a unified football pyramid with pro-rel channels as the end-goal. Moving the A-League to winter removes one of the biggest impediments to this. But he also realises there are a lot of stakeholders he has to win over to make it happen (everything from the existing A-League clubs to state federations, who all have their little fiefdoms). Showing evidence that the "football family" is overwhelmingly in favour of certain changes is a good way to have the moral authority to make them happen.
For what it's worth I think a good way to move forward would be to have a 24-team, semi-pro second division, split across northern (NSW, QLD, NNSW, ACT) and southern (VIC, SA, WA, TAS and NZ) conferences. The main impediment to a second division is the travel costs, and this format would minimise them.
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+xA lot of it is motherhood statement, but there are some concrete proposals in there. Albeit some of them I would be against, like renaming the A-League (to what? what's the point? the brand itself isn't so toxic that it needs to be abandoned), or renaming FFA to Football Australia (again, what's the point? Also, I hate those kind of corporate names like "World Rugby", "Netball Australia" etc.). But the big opportunity I would think is the consulting period. This gives us fans the chance to actually voice our opinions in a way that the FFA might actually listen to and take action on for once. Unlike the previous "Whole of Football" plan, which was entirely cooked up in-house, this can mean that our voices are heard on things like a pro-rel, A-League expansion, length of season, etc. My sense is that James Johnson wants to have a unified football pyramid with pro-rel channels as the end-goal. Moving the A-League to winter removes one of the biggest impediments to this. But he also realises there are a lot of stakeholders he has to win over to make it happen (everything from the existing A-League clubs to state federations, who all have their little fiefdoms). Showing evidence that the "football family" is overwhelmingly in favour of certain changes is a good way to have the moral authority to make them happen. For what it's worth I think a good way to move forward would be to have a 24-team, semi-pro second division, split across northern (NSW, QLD, NNSW, ACT) and southern (VIC, SA, WA, TAS and NZ) conferences. The main impediment to a second division is the travel costs, and this format would minimise them. On the name - the problem is not with the A-League it is with the W-League. If A signifies the best league - then W is a lesser league. The alternative would be something like them both being the Australian Premier League - mens and womens comps.
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+x+xA lot of it is motherhood statement, but there are some concrete proposals in there. Albeit some of them I would be against, like renaming the A-League (to what? what's the point? the brand itself isn't so toxic that it needs to be abandoned), or renaming FFA to Football Australia (again, what's the point? Also, I hate those kind of corporate names like "World Rugby", "Netball Australia" etc.). But the big opportunity I would think is the consulting period. This gives us fans the chance to actually voice our opinions in a way that the FFA might actually listen to and take action on for once. Unlike the previous "Whole of Football" plan, which was entirely cooked up in-house, this can mean that our voices are heard on things like a pro-rel, A-League expansion, length of season, etc. My sense is that James Johnson wants to have a unified football pyramid with pro-rel channels as the end-goal. Moving the A-League to winter removes one of the biggest impediments to this. But he also realises there are a lot of stakeholders he has to win over to make it happen (everything from the existing A-League clubs to state federations, who all have their little fiefdoms). Showing evidence that the "football family" is overwhelmingly in favour of certain changes is a good way to have the moral authority to make them happen. For what it's worth I think a good way to move forward would be to have a 24-team, semi-pro second division, split across northern (NSW, QLD, NNSW, ACT) and southern (VIC, SA, WA, TAS and NZ) conferences. The main impediment to a second division is the travel costs, and this format would minimise them. On the name - the problem is not with the A-League it is with the W-League. If A signifies the best league - then W is a lesser league. The alternative would be something like them both being the Australian Premier League - mens and womens comps. My takeaway was that they're thinking about having the A/W/Y-Leagues renamed to have 'football' in there somewhere. I like the current league names but it might be part of the controlling the narrative aspect they talk about.
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+xA lot of it is motherhood statement, but there are some concrete proposals in there. Albeit some of them I would be against, like renaming the A-League (to what? what's the point? the brand itself isn't so toxic that it needs to be abandoned), or renaming FFA to Football Australia (again, what's the point? Also, I hate those kind of corporate names like "World Rugby", "Netball Australia" etc.). . Another stoopid idea cooked up by consultants, amongst the countless complaints on this forum, who has ever identified the name of any of the competitions as holding them back. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQiOA7euaYA
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+xA lot of it is motherhood statement, but there are some concrete proposals in there. Albeit some of them I would be against, like renaming the A-League (to what? what's the point? the brand itself isn't so toxic that it needs to be abandoned), or renaming FFA to Football Australia (again, what's the point? Also, I hate those kind of corporate names like "World Rugby", "Netball Australia" etc.). But the big opportunity I would think is the consulting period. This gives us fans the chance to actually voice our opinions in a way that the FFA might actually listen to and take action on for once. Unlike the previous "Whole of Football" plan, which was entirely cooked up in-house, this can mean that our voices are heard on things like a pro-rel, A-League expansion, length of season, etc. My sense is that James Johnson wants to have a unified football pyramid with pro-rel channels as the end-goal. Moving the A-League to winter removes one of the biggest impediments to this. But he also realises there are a lot of stakeholders he has to win over to make it happen (everything from the existing A-League clubs to state federations, who all have their little fiefdoms). Showing evidence that the "football family" is overwhelmingly in favour of certain changes is a good way to have the moral authority to make them happen. For what it's worth I think a good way to move forward would be to have a 24-team, semi-pro second division, split across northern (NSW, QLD, NNSW, ACT) and southern (VIC, SA, WA, TAS and NZ) conferences. The main impediment to a second division is the travel costs, and this format would minimise them. I agree a "football pyramid with pro relegation/promotion channels as the end goal. Make it as seamless as possible, merit based with minimum blockages. The rest will look after themselves.
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+xFor what it's worth I think a good way to move forward would be to have a 24-team, semi-pro second division, split across northern (NSW, QLD, NNSW, ACT) and southern (VIC, SA, WA, TAS and NZ) conferences. The main impediment to a second division is the travel costs, and this format would minimise them. I don't really see how a semi-pro conference split across WA and NZ helps minimise costs, does the very opposite I would have thought, Here's a novel idea, how about teams from the NPL try and win promotion to a national 2nd division, and we stop worrying about where they come from. If they're all from Sydney, so be it.
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+x+xFor what it's worth I think a good way to move forward would be to have a 24-team, semi-pro second division, split across northern (NSW, QLD, NNSW, ACT) and southern (VIC, SA, WA, TAS and NZ) conferences. The main impediment to a second division is the travel costs, and this format would minimise them. I don't really see how a semi-pro conference split across WA and NZ helps minimise costs, does the very opposite I would have thought, Here's a novel idea, how about teams from the NPL try and win promotion to a national 2nd division, and we stop worrying about where they come from. If they're all from Sydney, so be it. This doesn't preclude having entry to the 2nd division based on football merit, although I think a few newly formed teams would be necessary to ensure geographical representation (e.g. Canberra, Hobart, Townsville, Geelong, Auckland, where there are currently no existing clubs that represent the entire city and could make the step up to a national league). Two conferences would cut travel costs because you would be able to have a sizeable number of derbies in Sydney and Melbourne (which would each provide probably around half of the teams in each conference). Yes, if you have Auckland in there it would end up having to travel to Perth, but that's only a couple of times a season. Most of the other games are either local derbies or bus/short flight trips. My back of the envelope calculations concluded that travel costs would be about 70% per club of what they would be for a nationwide division. I would have a centralised travel payment system to ensure that far-flung clubs would not be disadvantaged. The issue at the moment is that there aren't many clubs that could make the step up to a fully-pro, nationwide second division, but there are a lot (probably around 30-40) that could be viable in a semi-pro conference-based second division. Then further down the track you could have a national 2nd division formed from the best of these clubs. The end goal would be: A-League 1: 12 teams (single division) A-League 2: 12 teams (single division) A-League 3: 2 x 12 teams (north and south conferences) NPL: 8 x state-based leagues Automatic pro-rel between A1 and A2. Top teams from north and south conferences in A3 play-off for promotion to A2. NPL leagues play-off for promotion to the respective conferences of A3.
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I could live with changing the league names to A-League (Men's) and A-League (Women's). Anything more than that is pointless. FFA should definitely stay the way it is.
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+xI could live with changing the league names to A-League (Men's) and A-League (Women's). Anything more than that is pointless. FFA should definitely stay the way it is. I don't mind Football Australia
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+x+xI could live with changing the league names to A-League (Men's) and A-League (Women's). Anything more than that is pointless. FFA should definitely stay the way it is. I don't mind Football Australia Let’s be confident and call ourselves Australian Football !!
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+x+xI could live with changing the league names to A-League (Men's) and A-League (Women's). Anything more than that is pointless. FFA should definitely stay the way it is. I don't mind Football Australia It’s not a bad name but whatever the name, the process of rebranding will be a useless waste of time and money if they don’t solve the underlying issues.
We can’t just rebrand things every few years and think that solves things.
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+x+xI could live with changing the league names to A-League (Men's) and A-League (Women's). Anything more than that is pointless. FFA should definitely stay the way it is. I don't mind Football Australia My only issue is that there's already an FA. What happens to the FFA Cup?
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There is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions!
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+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Oh yes, I’m sure JJ can click his fingers and put a hold on free speech to suit our own narrative :) Clubs can make whatever claims they like, and in some ways it’s a credit to our sport that they feel so compelled to try and compare themselves those in our sport. They are touring facilities of those clubs as those are the leading sporting clubs in the world, and know they have a long way to catch up to being like them. We are a small country in reality, so let’s just focus on our own code and make us a leading voice of sport in thIs country by actions and smart decision making. We have been far too engaged in internal battles for so long it just left us exposed on every front.
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+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail?
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+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
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+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Changing the name ... FFS. That’ll have about the same effect as changing the FFA’s PO Box No. EPL, LaLiga, JLeague, KLeague ... ALeague says we are an international game. Principle 12. needs to be “We will not engage any more consultants to devise wall posters”.
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+x+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Changing the name ... FFS. That’ll have about the same effect as changing the FFA’s PO Box No. EPL, LaLiga, JLeague, KLeague ... ALeague says we are an international game. Principle 12. needs to be “We will not engage any more consultants to devise wall posters”. I think you may have addressed your comment to the wrong person
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Changing the name ... FFS. That’ll have about the same effect as changing the FFA’s PO Box No. EPL, LaLiga, JLeague, KLeague ... ALeague says we are an international game. Principle 12. needs to be “We will not engage any more consultants to devise wall posters”. I think you may have addressed your comment to the wrong person Probably.
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Changing the name ... FFS. That’ll have about the same effect as changing the FFA’s PO Box No. EPL, LaLiga, JLeague, KLeague ... ALeague says we are an international game. Principle 12. needs to be “We will not engage any more consultants to devise wall posters”. I think you may have addressed your comment to the wrong person 😂
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+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Football hasn't been here for 170 years in fact it hasn't existed for that long. Are you aware that both Rugby Union and AFL existed in this country before football arrived here? They have every right to exist and to compete for support from the population. I accept that the bias of the press and media has been a problem to football but having other codes of football in the market is just a reality that we have to accept.
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+x+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Football hasn't been here for 170 years in fact it hasn't existed for that long. Are you aware that both Rugby Union and AFL existed in this country before football arrived here? They have every right to exist and to compete for support from the population. I accept that the bias of the press and media has been a problem to football but having other codes of football in the market is just a reality that we have to accept. According to the VFL's "own history", BOTH Rugby and Football were played in Australia long before Aussie Rules was conceived. In fact, according to their own history, the very first "ball" used during the first 3 or 4 years of Aussie Rules, was a "round football" taken directly from Football.
Football, the TRUE game of Australias 1914-1918 First World War heroes and original ANZACs Aussie Rules, Rugby League and Cricket, the TRUE games of Australias 1914-1918 First World War shirkers, frauds and cowardly draft dodgers”
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Football hasn't been here for 170 years in fact it hasn't existed for that long. Are you aware that both Rugby Union and AFL existed in this country before football arrived here? They have every right to exist and to compete for support from the population. I accept that the bias of the press and media has been a problem to football but having other codes of football in the market is just a reality that we have to accept. According to the VFL's "own history", BOTH Rugby and Football were played in Australia long before Aussie Rules was conceived. In fact, according to their own history, the very first "ball" used during the first 3 or 4 years of Aussie Rules, was a "round football" taken directly from Football. https://australianfootball.com/articles/view/Football+in+Australia+in+the+1850s/113A short extract from the above article titled "Football In Australia in The 1850's" - (170 years ago):
By the 1850s football practice in the United Kingdom had diverged into three distinct forms. The village folk football still continued in a number of areas though attenuated and confined by the authorities.[1] In the public schools and the universities a number of variants of the game were played which had distinct and specific sets of rules.[2] Small-sided games of football sometimes for monetary or physical rewards were being played in various parts of England and Scotland.[3] The latter type of football can also be found in Australia in the mid-nineteenth century. Most of the examples uncovered so far were not the rough village games but something much closer to association football (soccer) as it was codified in England in 1863. A notice in the Port Phillip Herald of 30 March 1850, under the heading of ‘Old English Easter Sports’ and advertising a ‘Grand Football Match for a Silver Watch’, is not untypical.[4] In late 1850 the Port Philip District of New South Wales marked its separation from its northern neighbour as it became the colony of Victoria with effect from the first of January 1851. Celebrations began in November and lasted five days. The final day, Saturday 23 November, was given over to a carnival of gymnastic games at Emerald Hill on Beach Road, and the last event was a football match. ‘FOOT-BALL—A match at foot-ball between two sides of 12 each concluded the sports. The game was all on one side from the beginning, and won easily by Mr Barry and his 11’.[5] No more detailed account of this game has been found so far. The crowd watching the games had started small but had grown throughout the day and despite the provision of alcohol, the papers reported that there had been no unseemly incidents. So this appears to have been a small-sided game for which no special explanation was necessary for the readers.
Football, the TRUE game of Australias 1914-1918 First World War heroes and original ANZACs Aussie Rules, Rugby League and Cricket, the TRUE games of Australias 1914-1918 First World War shirkers, frauds and cowardly draft dodgers”
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Football hasn't been here for 170 years in fact it hasn't existed for that long. Are you aware that both Rugby Union and AFL existed in this country before football arrived here? They have every right to exist and to compete for support from the population. I accept that the bias of the press and media has been a problem to football but having other codes of football in the market is just a reality that we have to accept. According to the VFL's "own history", BOTH Rugby and Football were played in Australia long before Aussie Rules was conceived. In fact, according to their own history, the very first "ball" used during the first 3 or 4 years of Aussie Rules, was a "round football" taken directly from Football. https://australianfootball.com/articles/view/Football+in+Australia+in+the+1850s/113A short extract from the above article titled "Football In Australia in The 1850's" - (170 years ago):
By the 1850s football practice in the United Kingdom had diverged into three distinct forms. The village folk football still continued in a number of areas though attenuated and confined by the authorities.[1] In the public schools and the universities a number of variants of the game were played which had distinct and specific sets of rules.[2] Small-sided games of football sometimes for monetary or physical rewards were being played in various parts of England and Scotland.[3] The latter type of football can also be found in Australia in the mid-nineteenth century. Most of the examples uncovered so far were not the rough village games but something much closer to association football (soccer) as it was codified in England in 1863. A notice in the Port Phillip Herald of 30 March 1850, under the heading of ‘Old English Easter Sports’ and advertising a ‘Grand Football Match for a Silver Watch’, is not untypical.[4] In late 1850 the Port Philip District of New South Wales marked its separation from its northern neighbour as it became the colony of Victoria with effect from the first of January 1851. Celebrations began in November and lasted five days. The final day, Saturday 23 November, was given over to a carnival of gymnastic games at Emerald Hill on Beach Road, and the last event was a football match. ‘FOOT-BALL—A match at foot-ball between two sides of 12 each concluded the sports. The game was all on one side from the beginning, and won easily by Mr Barry and his 11’.[5] No more detailed account of this game has been found so far. The crowd watching the games had started small but had grown throughout the day and despite the provision of alcohol, the papers reported that there had been no unseemly incidents. So this appears to have been a small-sided game for which no special explanation was necessary for the readers. https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2019/2019/08/21/a-history-of-rule-changes/A short extract from the above article titled "A History Of [VFL] Rule Changes:
THE ORIGINAL RULESAustralian Rules Football was invented by Tom Wills, a Victorian cricketer who grew up on a bushland property. At fourteen he studied in Rugby, England, where he formulated a game which he later took back to the Melbourne Cricket Club with whom he devised the sport of Australian Rules Football as a way to keep the Victorian team fit during the off-season. According to the official AFL history, the game is adapted from the Indigenous game of Marngrook, in which a ball made of Kangaroo hide was thrown and caught. However, many historians debate this, suggesting there is a lack of evidence to support the claim. What is more widely accepted is that the game stemmed from Wills witnessing Association Football (Soccer) and Rugby Football, as well as that of the Gaelic, but some similarities to Marngrook do suggest he was at least influenced by, if not directly taking from the Indigenous game. The game didn’t start with a bang but instead grew steadily. The first adjusted rules, posted on Saturday, July 29, 1859 in The Argus newspaper, appear in a column on page 5, crammed between the report of a Footscray council meeting and a suicide.
Football, the TRUE game of Australias 1914-1918 First World War heroes and original ANZACs Aussie Rules, Rugby League and Cricket, the TRUE games of Australias 1914-1918 First World War shirkers, frauds and cowardly draft dodgers”
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Football hasn't been here for 170 years in fact it hasn't existed for that long. Are you aware that both Rugby Union and AFL existed in this country before football arrived here? They have every right to exist and to compete for support from the population. I accept that the bias of the press and media has been a problem to football but having other codes of football in the market is just a reality that we have to accept. According to the VFL's "own history", BOTH Rugby and Football were played in Australia long before Aussie Rules was conceived. In fact, according to their own history, the very first "ball" used during the first 3 or 4 years of Aussie Rules, was a "round football" taken directly from Football. https://australianfootball.com/articles/view/Football+in+Australia+in+the+1850s/113A short extract from the above article titled "Football In Australia in The 1850's" - (170 years ago):
By the 1850s football practice in the United Kingdom had diverged into three distinct forms. The village folk football still continued in a number of areas though attenuated and confined by the authorities.[1] In the public schools and the universities a number of variants of the game were played which had distinct and specific sets of rules.[2] Small-sided games of football sometimes for monetary or physical rewards were being played in various parts of England and Scotland.[3] The latter type of football can also be found in Australia in the mid-nineteenth century. Most of the examples uncovered so far were not the rough village games but something much closer to association football (soccer) as it was codified in England in 1863. A notice in the Port Phillip Herald of 30 March 1850, under the heading of ‘Old English Easter Sports’ and advertising a ‘Grand Football Match for a Silver Watch’, is not untypical.[4] In late 1850 the Port Philip District of New South Wales marked its separation from its northern neighbour as it became the colony of Victoria with effect from the first of January 1851. Celebrations began in November and lasted five days. The final day, Saturday 23 November, was given over to a carnival of gymnastic games at Emerald Hill on Beach Road, and the last event was a football match. ‘FOOT-BALL—A match at foot-ball between two sides of 12 each concluded the sports. The game was all on one side from the beginning, and won easily by Mr Barry and his 11’.[5] No more detailed account of this game has been found so far. The crowd watching the games had started small but had grown throughout the day and despite the provision of alcohol, the papers reported that there had been no unseemly incidents. So this appears to have been a small-sided game for which no special explanation was necessary for the readers. https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2019/2019/08/21/a-history-of-rule-changes/A short extract from the above article titled "A History Of [VFL] Rule Changes:
THE ORIGINAL RULESAustralian Rules Football was invented by Tom Wills, a Victorian cricketer who grew up on a bushland property. At fourteen he studied in Rugby, England, where he formulated a game which he later took back to the Melbourne Cricket Club with whom he devised the sport of Australian Rules Football as a way to keep the Victorian team fit during the off-season. According to the official AFL history, the game is adapted from the Indigenous game of Marngrook, in which a ball made of Kangaroo hide was thrown and caught. However, many historians debate this, suggesting there is a lack of evidence to support the claim. What is more widely accepted is that the game stemmed from Wills witnessing Association Football (Soccer) and Rugby Football, as well as that of the Gaelic, but some similarities to Marngrook do suggest he was at least influenced by, if not directly taking from the Indigenous game. The game didn’t start with a bang but instead grew steadily. The first adjusted rules, posted on Saturday, July 29, 1859 in The Argus newspaper, appear in a column on page 5, crammed between the report of a Footscray council meeting and a suicide. https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/longform/the-murky-origins-of-australias-football-codes-525150/Yet another deeply researched article "proving indisputably", that Association Football had been played in Australia, many, many years earlier than the bullshit "Aussie Rules created myth", that the game has ONLY been played in this country since 1880!
Football, the TRUE game of Australias 1914-1918 First World War heroes and original ANZACs Aussie Rules, Rugby League and Cricket, the TRUE games of Australias 1914-1918 First World War shirkers, frauds and cowardly draft dodgers”
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Football hasn't been here for 170 years in fact it hasn't existed for that long. Are you aware that both Rugby Union and AFL existed in this country before football arrived here? They have every right to exist and to compete for support from the population. I accept that the bias of the press and media has been a problem to football but having other codes of football in the market is just a reality that we have to accept. According to the VFL's "own history", BOTH Rugby and Football were played in Australia long before Aussie Rules was conceived. In fact, according to their own history, the very first "ball" used during the first 3 or 4 years of Aussie Rules, was a "round football" taken directly from Football. https://australianfootball.com/articles/view/Football+in+Australia+in+the+1850s/113A short extract from the above article titled "Football In Australia in The 1850's" - (170 years ago):
By the 1850s football practice in the United Kingdom had diverged into three distinct forms. The village folk football still continued in a number of areas though attenuated and confined by the authorities.[1] In the public schools and the universities a number of variants of the game were played which had distinct and specific sets of rules.[2] Small-sided games of football sometimes for monetary or physical rewards were being played in various parts of England and Scotland.[3] The latter type of football can also be found in Australia in the mid-nineteenth century. Most of the examples uncovered so far were not the rough village games but something much closer to association football (soccer) as it was codified in England in 1863. A notice in the Port Phillip Herald of 30 March 1850, under the heading of ‘Old English Easter Sports’ and advertising a ‘Grand Football Match for a Silver Watch’, is not untypical.[4] In late 1850 the Port Philip District of New South Wales marked its separation from its northern neighbour as it became the colony of Victoria with effect from the first of January 1851. Celebrations began in November and lasted five days. The final day, Saturday 23 November, was given over to a carnival of gymnastic games at Emerald Hill on Beach Road, and the last event was a football match. ‘FOOT-BALL—A match at foot-ball between two sides of 12 each concluded the sports. The game was all on one side from the beginning, and won easily by Mr Barry and his 11’.[5] No more detailed account of this game has been found so far. The crowd watching the games had started small but had grown throughout the day and despite the provision of alcohol, the papers reported that there had been no unseemly incidents. So this appears to have been a small-sided game for which no special explanation was necessary for the readers. https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2019/2019/08/21/a-history-of-rule-changes/A short extract from the above article titled "A History Of [VFL] Rule Changes:
THE ORIGINAL RULESAustralian Rules Football was invented by Tom Wills, a Victorian cricketer who grew up on a bushland property. At fourteen he studied in Rugby, England, where he formulated a game which he later took back to the Melbourne Cricket Club with whom he devised the sport of Australian Rules Football as a way to keep the Victorian team fit during the off-season. According to the official AFL history, the game is adapted from the Indigenous game of Marngrook, in which a ball made of Kangaroo hide was thrown and caught. However, many historians debate this, suggesting there is a lack of evidence to support the claim. What is more widely accepted is that the game stemmed from Wills witnessing Association Football (Soccer) and Rugby Football, as well as that of the Gaelic, but some similarities to Marngrook do suggest he was at least influenced by, if not directly taking from the Indigenous game. The game didn’t start with a bang but instead grew steadily. The first adjusted rules, posted on Saturday, July 29, 1859 in The Argus newspaper, appear in a column on page 5, crammed between the report of a Footscray council meeting and a suicide. https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/longform/the-murky-origins-of-australias-football-codes-525150/Yet another deeply researched article "proving indisputably", that Association Football had been played in Australia, many, many years earlier than the bullshit "Aussie Rules created myth", that the game has ONLY been played in this country since 1880! https://turfmate.com.au/the-history-of-the-sherrin/ Written by: James Witika The erratic bounce of the old Sherrin on footy grounds around the country has delighted up and sometimes confounded us for more than 100 years. It seems fitting that Australia’s indigenous football code should have its own ball, but how did it happen? Who invented the Aussie rules football and why?The great grand-nephew of its inventor, T.W. (Thomas William) Sherrin, says necessity was the mother of invention and turned a Collingwood saddler and his flattish oval ball into Australian sporting legends. Syd Sherrin said round balls and rugby balls were used in early Australian rules matches, with English rugby balls becoming more popular by the 1870s as the game developed. But the free-running Aussie code meant more loose balls bouncing around the grounds.
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+x+x+xThere is one "extremely painful and continuing festering sore" of an issue that James Johnson can qiuickly address ASAP. Johnson MUST move decisively to put an immediate END to the absolutely "infuriating and galling habit" of rival parochial Australian sporting codes with absolutely "ZERO connection" to Football, using the Australian media to make outrageous and TOTALLY BOGUS "public claims" that THEY are the Australian "versions of" and by some kind of mysterious connection, the "local representatives of", internationally renowned Football clubs/brands, as a way of "imprinting and embedding" their fabricated lies, into the unsuspecting and unquestioning minds of BOTH Australia's sporting and non-sporting public. The recent admission that the NRL's Sydney Roosters, enjoyed - until the actual announcement last week, that is - a low profile jaunt to Spain and a "tour of Barcelona FC's" world famous training facilities, followed by a "pronouncement" from their coach that they NOW consider themselves the "Barcelona of Australian sport", is an "blatantly intentional kick in the teeth" to the ALeague in particular and Football in Australia in general and "CANNOT go unchallenged!" Melbourne AFL club Essendon, have made similar grandiose claims in the past too - "claiming to be the Australian Manchester United!"James Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! Do you work for the Daily Mail? NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!
Its called cross pollination and completely fine to borrow from other sports. Football is at the cutting edge of sports science and therefore other codes are absolutely doing the right thing borrowing from that. In this crazy world of coronavirus, economic depressions, locust plagues, environmental uncertainty - its a bit baffling that 'THIS" is keeping you up at night. I think its great that the wider population use world famous Football clubs as a benchmark or a pinnacle to try and imitate.
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+xJames Johnson, please move quickly and decisively to put an end, once and for all, to these these parasitic sports making these TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS and BOGUS CLAIMS by threatening immediate legal action if they do NOT desist immediately and make public retractions! TBH I'd pay money to sit in court when the FFA's Denis Denuto tries to run this up the flagpole. Judge: On what basis do you make this claim? Denis Denuto. Umm... It's just the vibe of the thing. It's all part of it.
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I just hope we don't end up doing a re-branding exercise every 15 years.
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I'm trying to work out what the legal suit would be for? Inappropriate use of the English language? Twisting the Australian vernacular? Cultural appropriation?
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And the point is?
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The "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football".
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+xThe "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football". Ir was also played on a rectangular ground.
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+xThe "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football". Various forms of folk football have existed for millennia, indeed there are forms which pre-date European colonisation of Australia, such as Woggaballiri: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woggabaliri
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+xThe "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football". The game of football we know as Association Football did not exist 170 years ago and therefore could not have been played in Australia then. It is true that the games played in England that ultimately lead to the codification of Rugby (1845) and Football (1863) found their way to Australia but they were not the Football that we follow and the rules varied depending on where the games were played and where the participants had come from.
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+x+xThe "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football". The game of football we know as Association Football did not exist 170 years ago and therefore could not have been played in Australia then. It is true that the games played in England that ultimately lead to the codification of Rugby (1845) and Football (1863) found their way to Australia but they were not the Football that we follow and the rules varied depending on where the games were played and where the participants had come from. That's fine BUT!.............You can't have YOUR cake and EAT it too! Using your logic "Aerial Ping Pong" did NOT begin in 1858 as the AFL "claim" as the game that was played at that time, bore ZERO resemblance to the game played today! A more believable starting date for that game is 1897.
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+x+x+xThe "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football". The game of football we know as Association Football did not exist 170 years ago and therefore could not have been played in Australia then. It is true that the games played in England that ultimately lead to the codification of Rugby (1845) and Football (1863) found their way to Australia but they were not the Football that we follow and the rules varied depending on where the games were played and where the participants had come from. That's fine BUT!.............You can't have YOUR cake and EAT it too! Using your logic "Aerial Ping Pong" did NOT begin in 1858 as the AFL "claim" as the game that was played at that time, bore ZERO resemblance to the game played today! A more believable starting date for that game is 1897. But who on here gives a damn about what the AFL say?? They can say the game started in Ancient Greece for all I care.
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+x+x+xThe "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football". The game of football we know as Association Football did not exist 170 years ago and therefore could not have been played in Australia then. It is true that the games played in England that ultimately lead to the codification of Rugby (1845) and Football (1863) found their way to Australia but they were not the Football that we follow and the rules varied depending on where the games were played and where the participants had come from. That's fine BUT!.............You can't have YOUR cake and EAT it too! Using your logic "Aerial Ping Pong" did NOT begin in 1858 as the AFL "claim" as the game that was played at that time, bore ZERO resemblance to the game played today! A more believable starting date for that game is 1897. I am not having my cake and eating it too. The fact is that Association Football didn't exist until the laws of the game were written in 1863. I made no comment about AFL. It is irrelevant.
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+x+x+x+xThe "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football". The game of football we know as Association Football did not exist 170 years ago and therefore could not have been played in Australia then. It is true that the games played in England that ultimately lead to the codification of Rugby (1845) and Football (1863) found their way to Australia but they were not the Football that we follow and the rules varied depending on where the games were played and where the participants had come from. That's fine BUT!.............You can't have YOUR cake and EAT it too! Using your logic "Aerial Ping Pong" did NOT begin in 1858 as the AFL "claim" as the game that was played at that time, bore ZERO resemblance to the game played today! A more believable starting date for that game is 1897. I am not having my cake and eating it too. The fact is that Association Football didn't exist until the laws of the game were written in 1863. I made no comment about AFL. It is irrelevant. This.
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+x+x+x+xThe "POINT" is, here is the proof; 1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and, 2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football". The game of football we know as Association Football did not exist 170 years ago and therefore could not have been played in Australia then. It is true that the games played in England that ultimately lead to the codification of Rugby (1845) and Football (1863) found their way to Australia but they were not the Football that we follow and the rules varied depending on where the games were played and where the participants had come from. That's fine BUT!.............You can't have YOUR cake and EAT it too! Using your logic "Aerial Ping Pong" did NOT begin in 1858 as the AFL "claim" as the game that was played at that time, bore ZERO resemblance to the game played today! A more believable starting date for that game is 1897. I am not having my cake and eating it too. The fact is that Association Football didn't exist until the laws of the game were written in 1863. I made no comment about AFL. It is irrelevant. I disagree, Association Football was the result of unifying to the best of abilities the various century old games of football. Obviously it split into the running game, or Rugby, and the kicking game, or Football. You can give the codification date as 1863 if you like, but the reality is that Association Football is the unification of football. What is the point? The point is that our game keeps trying to reinvent itself and in so doing destroys the historical links and traditions to the game that has been played here from before the township of Melbourne was settled, let alone had its own football rules.
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“ The second survey based on developing ‘Resetting the Australian football narrative’ is now live. The focus of Principle II is to develop a new narrative for football which signifies a fresh start for the game in Australia, successfully ties together all new initiatives and distinguishes it from other sporting codes in the country. https://www.ffa.com.au/xi-principles/principle-ii-surveyif only they knew what we know
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11 Point plan = nothing more than motherhood statements. Is repetition all we get after 2 years of the new FFA?
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+x11 Point plan = nothing more than motherhood statements. Is repetition all we get after 2 years of the new FFA? How can you NOT know it hasn’t been 2 years yet?
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+x+x11 Point plan = nothing more than motherhood statements. Is repetition all we get after 2 years of the new FFA? How can you NOT know it hasn’t been 2 years yet? C'mon Waz, why let facts get in the way of a good whinge....
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+x+x11 Point plan = nothing more than motherhood statements. Is repetition all we get after 2 years of the new FFA? How can you NOT know it hasn’t been 2 years yet? Closer than 1 year, yeah!
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It's around 19 months.
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So, to summarise. 57 pages. And not a single mention of pro-rel or a NSD.
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+xSo, to summarise. 57 pages. And not a single mention of pro-rel or a NSD. "real football person" ... No mention from you in the women's world cup thread ya fucking pelican.
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+xSo, to summarise. 57 pages. And not a single mention of pro-rel or a NSD. "real football person" ... “ real football person “ ? You’re ‘avin a larf’.
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+xSo, to summarise. 57 pages. And not a single mention of pro-rel or a NSD. We've done this one already.
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There is an interview with Johnson on TWG today.
Less promising. Also explain WSW NSW situation...,
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+xThere is an interview with Johnson on TWG today. Less promising. Also explain WSW NSW situation..., What isn’t promising about it? There is nothing wrong with WSW invited into NPL1 considering they have a lot of Olympic eligible players.
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+x+xThere is an interview with Johnson on TWG today. Less promising. Also explain WSW NSW situation..., What isn’t promising about it? There is nothing wrong with WSW invited into NPL1 considering they have a lot of Olympic eligible players. Didn’t like the answer to the last question. Also I think the answer to the Arnold question isn’t answered correctly either. How many players get more than 25 games in other countries due to promotion? In Australia it is zero and the same players keep raising the average age level
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+x+x+xThere is an interview with Johnson on TWG today. Less promising. Also explain WSW NSW situation..., What isn’t promising about it? There is nothing wrong with WSW invited into NPL1 considering they have a lot of Olympic eligible players. Didn’t like the answer to the last question. Also I think the answer to the Arnold question isn’t answered correctly either. How many players get more than 25 games in other countries due to promotion? In Australia it is zero and the same players keep raising the average age level Would also like to add- there is a fundamental design problem with AL (whether pro rel or not). The GF winner is Champion and the biggest winner of the season. We we have a top 6 with 11 teams. Atm 9 teams can make the finals so deep in the season and be Champions. Most season with 10 teams 9 teams still had a chance to make top 6 late in the season. This means managers don’t want to risk anything. Now with 5 subs more youth will get game time but traditionally it hasn’t been so. Premiers isn’t much in Australia. Up until this season clubs play unequal amounts home and away against teams. Now it’s even worse that clubs don’t play each other am equal amount of times. It’s always going to be illegitimate until the season is a true home and away.
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Any football played 170 years ago would not have remotely resembled our modern codes, whatever shape of ball they were using.
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+xAny football played 170 years ago would not have remotely resembled our modern codes, whatever shape of ball they were using. Correct. Not to mention, whatever they were using as a "ball", would have been so misshapen, you could not even call it round or oval. When people discuss these things, they need to look at it through the lens of 1850 rather than 2020.
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There is a lot of information in the document.
Plenty of problems have been identified with the current paradigm, but there is a lot of work to be done to resolve them.
It was interesting to note that the most successful international teams had players aged between 17 and 23 playing plenty of senior football.
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+xThere is a lot of information in the document. Plenty of problems have been identified with the current paradigm, but there is a lot of work to be done to resolve them. It was interesting to note that the most successful international teams had players aged between 17 and 23 playing plenty of senior football. In bold, TBH thats the "normal" most leagues in the world for yonks yet NOT here in AL. We all know the GG and those before at that age group any player showing their worth late teens would be given a shot in 1st grade. AL they are bench warmers more than given a go till very late in the game if at all.
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+x+xThere is a lot of information in the document. Plenty of problems have been identified with the current paradigm, but there is a lot of work to be done to resolve them. It was interesting to note that the most successful international teams had players aged between 17 and 23 playing plenty of senior football. In bold, TBH thats the "normal" most leagues in the world for yonks yet NOT here in AL. We all know the GG and those before at that age group any player showing their worth late teens would be given a shot in 1st grade. AL they are bench warmers more than given a go till very late in the game if at all. Good day, LFC. I'm nowhere near as enamoured with the GG as most. I don't want to rehash old discussions, but when I revisit old videos of the Socceroos with the GG playing, using football specific performance criteria, they weren't that effective as a collective unit - when it really counted. The notable exception was the 2006 WC, but four years later I think they were probably a much better battle hardened team unit in SA in the 2010 WC after a sustained WC qualification campaign, if, this is also termed the GG. Before 2006, when I look at the old videos, Dukes and Kewell stand out before 2006, then add Neill, Grella and Bresc in 2006. However, the Socceroo teams in that epoch made a lot of mistakes and played naive football, despite who the individuals ostensibly played with at club level. Once again, as previously stated by many, we need more clubs and more professional footballers in Aus to provide more opportunities to play more senior pro football meaning full games of 90 min at the critical ages 17-23.
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+x+x+xThere is a lot of information in the document. Plenty of problems have been identified with the current paradigm, but there is a lot of work to be done to resolve them. It was interesting to note that the most successful international teams had players aged between 17 and 23 playing plenty of senior football. In bold, TBH thats the "normal" most leagues in the world for yonks yet NOT here in AL. We all know the GG and those before at that age group any player showing their worth late teens would be given a shot in 1st grade. AL they are bench warmers more than given a go till very late in the game if at all. Good day, LFC. I'm nowhere near as enamoured with the GG as most. I don't want to rehash old discussions, but when I revisit old videos of the Socceroos with the GG playing, using football specific performance criteria, they weren't that effective as a collective unit - when it really counted. The notable exception was the 2006 WC, but four years later I think they were probably a much better battle hardened team unit in SA in the 2010 WC after a sustained WC qualification campaign, if, this is also termed the GG. Before 2006, when I look at the old videos, Dukes and Kewell stand out before 2006, then add Neill, Grella and Bresc in 2006. However, the team makes a lot of mistakes and played naive football, despite who the individuals supposedly played with at club level. Once again, as previously stated by many, we need more clubs and more professional footballers in Aus to provide more opportunities to play more senior pro football meaning full games of 90 min at the critical ages 17-23. hey mate, I agree with your pov re old discussions and on the GG's early days. Being more specific what I'm saying, yes they lacked in many areas BUT they at least got SNR football experience at young age's, some pre 20's. Learning or getting used playing with the big boys/Snrs gets you used being in that level, may not be great with the ball but to get familiar with the faster pace, pressure on the ball < hence the early errors. A good player gets used to their surroundings - some quicker that others depending on abilty And from who's coaching them. Your last sentence is spot on.
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+x+x+x+xThere is a lot of information in the document. Plenty of problems have been identified with the current paradigm, but there is a lot of work to be done to resolve them. It was interesting to note that the most successful international teams had players aged between 17 and 23 playing plenty of senior football. In bold, TBH thats the "normal" most leagues in the world for yonks yet NOT here in AL. We all know the GG and those before at that age group any player showing their worth late teens would be given a shot in 1st grade. AL they are bench warmers more than given a go till very late in the game if at all. Good day, LFC. I'm nowhere near as enamoured with the GG as most. I don't want to rehash old discussions, but when I revisit old videos of the Socceroos with the GG playing, using football specific performance criteria, they weren't that effective as a collective unit - when it really counted. The notable exception was the 2006 WC, but four years later I think they were probably a much better battle hardened team unit in SA in the 2010 WC after a sustained WC qualification campaign, if, this is also termed the GG. Before 2006, when I look at the old videos, Dukes and Kewell stand out before 2006, then add Neill, Grella and Bresc in 2006. However, the team makes a lot of mistakes and played naive football, despite who the individuals supposedly played with at club level. Once again, as previously stated by many, we need more clubs and more professional footballers in Aus to provide more opportunities to play more senior pro football meaning full games of 90 min at the critical ages 17-23. hey mate, I agree with your pov re old discussions and on the GG's early days. Being more specific what I'm saying, yes they lacked in many areas BUT they at least got SNR football experience at young age's, some pre 20's. Learning or getting used playing with the big boys/Snrs gets you used being in that level, may not be great with the ball but to get familiar with the faster pace, pressure on the ball < hence the early errors. A good player gets used to their surroundings - some quicker that others depending on abilty And from who's coaching them. Your last sentence is spot on. One FFA review showed that because so many young players aged 17-23 managed to get senior game time in the NSL at those critical ages, it had major benefits for their career long term. Of course many failed to progress after initially showing precocious promise in senior football, but at least a few kicked on. Not enough young players have managed to get sufficient game time in the HAL, to counteract those who don't kick on. The last sentence is just what FFA research has shown to be true. Ange P was constantly raising this issue.
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+xThere is a lot of information in the document. Plenty of problems have been identified with the current paradigm, but there is a lot of work to be done to resolve them. It was interesting to note that the most successful international teams had players aged between 17 and 23 playing plenty of senior football. Cause and effect? More minutes equals good footballers? Good Footballers get more minutes? Don't know but need to treat these kind of stats with caution
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I'll get more interested when JJ actually has a plan and not a wish list. Also he just didnt answer the question about WSW youth getting into the NPL1.ahead of the NJ and CCM youth teams.He just said it was good because they had many National youth players.Nothing about fairness or promotion of NJ's or CCM youth teams based on merit. I guess thats the A-League system too. Not a good sign for the future.
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The 11 principles are a massive pile of nothing. No timetable means no reality. It's entirely a political message. I asked Bozza how long do we give JJ before we revolt, Bozza didn't understand the question so I clarified it. Well I think we can see when the writing is on the wall. No NSD on the way, no plans for taking control of the sport, no timetable for the integration of the pyramid, not date for when the domestic transfer system begins, nothing but hot air.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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+xThe 11 principles are a massive pile of nothing. No timetable means no reality. It's entirely a political message. I asked Bozza how long do we give JJ before we revolt, Bozza didn't understand the question so I clarified it. Well I think we can see when the writing is on the wall. No NSD on the way, no plans for taking control of the sport, no timetable for the integration of the pyramid, not date for when the domestic transfer system begins, nothing but hot air. A con man part of a do nothng entity.
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+xThe 11 principles are a massive pile of nothing. No timetable means no reality. It's entirely a political message. I asked Bozza how long do we give JJ before we revolt, Bozza didn't understand the question so I clarified it. Well I think we can see when the writing is on the wall. No NSD on the way, no plans for taking control of the sport, no timetable for the integration of the pyramid, not date for when the domestic transfer system begins, nothing but hot air. Lots of Motherhood stuff too.
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Not sure if JJ is a conman but he definitely is part of a do nothing organisation.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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The more I think about it, the more I despair about 15 wasted years. There have been a few times over this time when I felt our game could be massive. 1. 2005 - A-League starts and we qualify for our first WC in 32 years (the country is suddenly talking about football) 2. 2006 - We moved to the AFC (more games, and a chance to play more regularly against better teams) 3. 2012 - Wanderers join the A-League (their fans are a fantastic addition to the atmosphere at games) 4. 2012 - Del Piero, Ono and Heskey are lured to our league (a season of great interest) These are the only things that I can recall being done by administrators in the last 15 years that have had a real positive effect on the game's place in this country. Can't really find a positive since 2012 ... says it all really. Maybe I've missed something?
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+xThe more I think about it, the more I despair about 15 wasted years. These are the times over the past 15 years when I felt our game could be massive. 1. 2005 - A-League starts and we qualify for our first WC in 32 years (the country is suddenly talking about football) 2. 2006 - We moved to the AFC (more games, and a chance to play more regularly against better teams) 3. 2012 - Wanderers join the A-League (their fans are a fantastic addition to the atmosphere at games) 4. 2012 - Del Piero, Ono and Heskey are lured to our league (a season of great interest) These are the only things that I can recall being done by administrators in the last 15 years that have had a real positive effect on the game's place in this country. Can't really find a positive since 2012 ... says it all really. I thought it was going to be massive after 1974. Still haven't got there.
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+x+xThe more I think about it, the more I despair about 15 wasted years. These are the times over the past 15 years when I felt our game could be massive. 1. 2005 - A-League starts and we qualify for our first WC in 32 years (the country is suddenly talking about football) 2. 2006 - We moved to the AFC (more games, and a chance to play more regularly against better teams) 3. 2012 - Wanderers join the A-League (their fans are a fantastic addition to the atmosphere at games) 4. 2012 - Del Piero, Ono and Heskey are lured to our league (a season of great interest) These are the only things that I can recall being done by administrators in the last 15 years that have had a real positive effect on the game's place in this country. Can't really find a positive since 2012 ... says it all really. I thought it was going to be massive after 1974. Still haven't got there. Yep ... that was an amazing time ..
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+xThe more I think about it, the more I despair about 15 wasted years. There have been a few times over this time when I felt our game could be massive. 1. 2005 - A-League starts and we qualify for our first WC in 32 years (the country is suddenly talking about football) 2. 2006 - We moved to the AFC (more games, and a chance to play more regularly against better teams) 3. 2012 - Wanderers join the A-League (their fans are a fantastic addition to the atmosphere at games) 4. 2012 - Del Piero, Ono and Heskey are lured to our league (a season of great interest) These are the only things that I can recall being done by administrators in the last 15 years that have had a real positive effect on the game's place in this country. Can't really find a positive since 2012 ... says it all really. Maybe I've missed something? Maybe you've highlighted the issue. Three or four big events in first 7 years, nothing in the next 8 years, but realistically, can you really sustain a chain of big events to keep things chugging along?
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That's a bit of a skewed perspective. In 2003 the game was dead. The national league was shut down after being on life support for a number of years, we hadn't qualified for a World Cup in three decades, and the game's administrators were a bunch of thuggish kleptocrats (need we recall the Labbozzetta years?). So the fact that the A-League was even able to be established and stick around for 15 years with a reasonable level of stability (7 of 8 foundation clubs are still there), should in and of itself be considered a victory.
Then there was the low-point of around 2010, with the demise of North Queensland and the Gold Coast, and crowds way down. But 2012 (thanks to Wanderers and Del Piero) lifted things up again. We're now at another low point and need a lift-up, which will hopefully come through the switch to winter (as risky as this is) and the progressive integration of the football pyramid (starting with a second division), not to mention the WWC in 2023.
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+xThat's a bit of a skewed perspective. In 2003 the game was dead. The national league was shut down after being on life support for a number of years, we hadn't qualified for a World Cup in three decades, and the game's administrators were a bunch of thuggish kleptocrats (need we recall the Labbozzetta years?). So the fact that the A-League was even able to be established and stick around for 15 years with a reasonable level of stability (7 of 8 foundation clubs are still there), should in and of itself be considered a victory. Then there was the low-point of around 2010, with the demise of North Queensland and the Gold Coast, and crowds way down. But 2012 (thanks to Wanderers and Del Piero) lifted things up again. We're now at another low point and need a lift-up, which will hopefully come through the switch to winter (as risky as this is) and the progressive integration of the football pyramid (starting with a second division), not to mention the WWC in 2023. And Lowy should be applauded for the A League and for getting us into Asia. But was anyone seriously thinking in 2006 - hey it would be amazing if this comp still existed in 15 years? I suppose the point is that like any business, if you have large success, you can either take advantage of the windfall (be it $$ or an increase in customers) plan strategically and invest in the future ... or you can hire an 'administrator' to watch the pennies and make sure you only whittle away the windfall slowly. It's as if the level of thinking was: 1. Get three international marquees in one season to generate interest 2. Umm, why did we do 1? It'd just be nice if someone somewhere in the FFA said, you know what, looking back we haven't got much right in the last 10 years.
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“...A-League players are on a collision course with club bosses amid fears they face drastic pay cuts in a new era of austerity.
...The separation of the professional leagues from FFA means the owners now have the control they have fought for and the responsibility to ensure our domestic competitions not only survive, but thrive.” Busch believes players have already bent over backwards to accommodate the FFA and the clubs. “The sacrifices made by players to allow for the A-League to resume and be preserved have been immense and unprecedented globally,” he declared. “
https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/players-face-savage-pay-cuts-as-pfa-prepares-to-battle-with-a-league-clubs
has FFA told PFA that AL is independent?
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+x“...A-League players are on a collision course with club bosses amid fears they face drastic pay cuts in a new era of austerity.
...The separation of the professional leagues from FFA means the owners now have the control they have fought for and the responsibility to ensure our domestic competitions not only survive, but thrive.” Busch believes players have already bent over backwards to accommodate the FFA and the clubs. “The sacrifices made by players to allow for the A-League to resume and be preserved have been immense and unprecedented globally,” he declared. “
https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/players-face-savage-pay-cuts-as-pfa-prepares-to-battle-with-a-league-clubs
has FFA told PFA that AL is independent?
” Players are headed for a huge stand-off with Football Federation Australia over an expected slashing of next season’s A-League salary cap, a move which could trigger a star-studded exodus. Some of the competition’s biggest names could revolt if next year’s contracts are drastically reduced, opening the door to demands for the right to leave immediately given the materially changed nature of their deals. The situation carries echoes of that experienced recently by the NBL, where dual MVP Bryce Cotton as well as fellow high-profile stars Casper Ware and Xavier Cooks were among those to take up the option to walk out on deals after being asked to take COVID-19-related cuts.... Of added concern for players on multi-year deals is that the current collective bargaining agreement, renegotiated in the wake of the COVID-19 shutdown in order to complete the 2019-20 season to run through until August 30, could prevent them from seeking lucrative moves to overseas clubs.Should players be asked to take pay cuts for next season, they would effectively be given the opportunity to end their contracts – but not until September 1. New PFA chief executive Beau Busch in his playing days with North Queensland.And with the transfer window for most of Europe already open, clubs are already on the hunt for talent which leaves A-League players left in the lurch. The European window is nominally set to close on October 5, however FIFA has flagged an option to extend windows where necessary – or have additional windows to allow more player transfers, given the extreme circumstances. Negotiations between the clubs and the players’ union opened this week on a new CBA...”
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/aleague-news-ffa-set-for-standoff-with-players-over-cap-cuts/news-story/6f02adabd1fa0a62d84c7d3e05e8d002
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Sydney FC may have problems. They backend their contracts.
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So a whole bunch of journeyman will go overseas? Bad side is....?
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+xSo a whole bunch of journeyman will go overseas? Bad side is....? Kosta B, Rojas, Nabbout, Jurman, I think this kind of players may leave. Any player who is half decent but not a marquee will be looking elsewhere.
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Keep a salary minimum but no salary cap and leave it at that.
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+xKeep a salary minimum but no salary cap and leave it at that. Can’t see APFCA agreeing as they will look to keep costs down. Hopefully PFA faces reality and we see a proper salary floor established. As in minimum wage. I would like to see minimum salary scrapped. If the salary cap is severely reduced clubs should imo be able to have 7 or more visa players. You can get better value for money than Australian players. If the 5 subs is kept it’s not such a big deal.
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+xKeep a salary minimum but no salary cap and leave it at that. That is what should happen,if the IAL are serious about when they get control they will invest and make the A League so much better then what it has been. They need to scrap the cap and let the individual owners/clubs spend what they are prepared to spend, they just need a salary floor. Let those that can and are willing to invest,invest and stop trying to even the playing field by pulling clubs down to other clubs level in order to try and manipulate results.
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“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04
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+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 Very interesting. I wonder if a move to remove the salary cap and Charlesworth returning his license for the Mariners is related?
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+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league.
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+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again.
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+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia.
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+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah.
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+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division. Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... at 10-15M, NSD will spend more than most AL clubs, especially next year. FFA is the problem as they are now focusing on saving the AL and so wont allow the NSD to proceed. Rebel comp, yeah no worries.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... * First of all ask yourself why it costs 10 to 15 million dollars a year to run a football club in Australia. As someone with more than a working knowledge of football club finance I find the costs involved at A League level to be quite frankly hilarious & staggering. A discussion for another day however. * Then ask yourself with that number has such a poor ROI. A League clubs are scarcely staffed yet still spend a massive amount of money. * Then consider why a NPL club who have managed their finances quite well for literally decades on end would enter into such a debilitating financial arrangement. Yeah/Nah. * What's the point of a rebel division? Unlike the FFA we're not at war with Australian football & have something more than self interest in mind. We want to work with the FFA & all stakeholders in the game. The AAFC has done very well in this regard. * Oh & by the way, NPL clubs have never & never will ask anyone for a cent unlike the A League clubs who have a good percentage of their salary cap paid for by the FFA & literally would not exist without them. Getting the picture now dopey?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... * First of all ask yourself why it costs 10 to 15 million dollars a year to run a football club in Australia. As someone with more than a working knowledge of football club finance I find the costs involved at A League level to be quite frankly hilarious & staggering. A discussion for another day however. * Then ask yourself with that number has such a poor ROI. A League clubs are scarcely staffed yet still spend a massive amount of money. * Then consider why a NPL club who have managed their finances quite well for literally decades on end would enter into such a debilitating financial arrangement. Yeah/Nah. * What's the point of a rebel division? Unlike the FFA we're not at war with Australian football & have something more than self interest in mind. We want to work with the FFA & all stakeholders in the game. The AAFC has done very well in this regard. * Oh & by the way dopey, NPL clubs have never & never will ask anyone for a cent unlike the A League clubs who have a good percentage of their salary cap paid for by the FFA & literally would not exist without them. Getting the picture now dopey? The a-league is paid for by largely by fox and other revenue sources. And I'm talking about 15 mill collectively, not 1 club. To pay for logistics of running a national comp. That's a rough and very conservative estimate. If the nsd can find a tv producer dumb enough to fund a division of two bit clubs then go for it i say. Or if the can collectively subsidise that amount forever then more power to them. But do not touch the a-l finances. I don't want the a-l tethered to an impending financial clusterfuck.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... * First of all ask yourself why it costs 10 to 15 million dollars a year to run a football club in Australia. As someone with more than a working knowledge of football club finance I find the costs involved at A League level to be quite frankly hilarious & staggering. A discussion for another day however. * Then ask yourself with that number has such a poor ROI. A League clubs are scarcely staffed yet still spend a massive amount of money. * Then consider why a NPL club who have managed their finances quite well for literally decades on end would enter into such a debilitating financial arrangement. Yeah/Nah. * What's the point of a rebel division? Unlike the FFA we're not at war with Australian football & have something more than self interest in mind. We want to work with the FFA & all stakeholders in the game. The AAFC has done very well in this regard. * Oh & by the way dopey, NPL clubs have never & never will ask anyone for a cent unlike the A League clubs who have a good percentage of their salary cap paid for by the FFA & literally would not exist without them. Getting the picture now dopey? The a-league is paid for by largely by fox and other revenue sources. And I'm talking about 15 mill collectively, not 1 club. To pay for logistics of running a national comp. That's a rough and very conservative estimate. If the nsd can find a tv producer dumb enough to fund a division of two bit clubs then go for it i say. Or if the can collectively subsidise that amount forever then more power to them. But do not touch the a-l finances. I don't want the a-l tethered to an impending financial clusterfuck. I think you got that the wrong way round, the FFA should be isolated from the impending AL financial clusterf#ck
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... * First of all ask yourself why it costs 10 to 15 million dollars a year to run a football club in Australia. As someone with more than a working knowledge of football club finance I find the costs involved at A League level to be quite frankly hilarious & staggering. A discussion for another day however. * Then ask yourself with that number has such a poor ROI. A League clubs are scarcely staffed yet still spend a massive amount of money. * Then consider why a NPL club who have managed their finances quite well for literally decades on end would enter into such a debilitating financial arrangement. Yeah/Nah. * What's the point of a rebel division? Unlike the FFA we're not at war with Australian football & have something more than self interest in mind. We want to work with the FFA & all stakeholders in the game. The AAFC has done very well in this regard. * Oh & by the way dopey, NPL clubs have never & never will ask anyone for a cent unlike the A League clubs who have a good percentage of their salary cap paid for by the FFA & literally would not exist without them. Getting the picture now dopey? The a-league is paid for by largely by fox and other revenue sources. And I'm talking about 15 mill collectively, not 1 club. To pay for logistics of running a national comp. That's a rough and very conservative estimate. If the nsd can find a tv producer dumb enough to fund a division of two bit clubs then go for it i say. Or if the can collectively subsidise that amount forever then more power to them. But do not touch the a-l finances. I don't want the a-l tethered to an impending financial clusterfuck. Every single word in this post is completely wrong. It's like you didn't read my post at all. If you're tying yourself to a dumb fuck ideological position as you appear to be doing at least try to spout some facts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. “AAFC @AAFClubs · 11h ”...We have no doubt that clubs will aspire to move to being professional. We envisage some will choose to do so from day 1 others will morph gradually. Never forget that the main priority is club & infrastructure development. Player development is a byproduct.” https://mobile.twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1291232382826082304
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. So a swathe of clubs who has been professional in the past & have expressed a desire to become professional in the present yet have been deliberately excluded & deliberately prevented by that same governing body & by the clubs in that same competition are just supposed to become professional & spend 5-10 million per year so that they can demonstrate to those same people & to people such as yourself that they possess ambition. I hope you don't manage the finances in your household because you're adopting a position that even fucking dumber than your aforementioned dumb fuck mate. :hehe::laugh:
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. So a swathe of clubs who has been professional in the past & have expressed a desire to become professional in the present yet have been deliberately excluded & deliberately prevented by that same governing body & by the clubs in that same competition are just supposed to become professional & spend 5-10 million per year so that they can demonstrate to those same people & to people such as yourself that they possess ambition. I hope you don't manage the finances in your household because you're adopting a position that even fucking dumber than your aforementioned dumb fuck mate. :hehe::laugh: Yeah mum, I've cleaned my room. I would've handed it in Miss, but the dog ate my homework. Yes boss, I know was supposed to finish yesterday, but it took a little longer than I expected. I'll have the rent money for you tomorrow, I promise. Baby, she means nothing to me, it was just a fling, a physical thing. Son, I know you wanted to go to college, but the college fund didn't quit eventuate. Would've, Could've, Should've. etc. etc. Does any of this sound familiar to you?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. So a swathe of clubs who has been professional in the past & have expressed a desire to become professional in the present yet have been deliberately excluded & deliberately prevented by that same governing body & by the clubs in that same competition are just supposed to become professional & spend 5-10 million per year so that they can demonstrate to those same people & to people such as yourself that they possess ambition. I hope you don't manage the finances in your household because you're adopting a position that even fucking dumber than your aforementioned dumb fuck mate. :hehe::laugh: Yeah mum, I've cleaned my room. I would've handed it in Miss, but the dog ate my homework. Yes boss, I know was supposed to finish yesterday, but it took a little longer than I expected. I'll have the rent money for you tomorrow, I promise. Baby, she means nothing to me, it was just a fling, a physical thing. Son, I know you wanted to go to college, but the college fund didn't quit eventuate. Would've, Could've, Should've. etc. etc. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Way to attempt to completely avoid your incorrect assertions. :laugh:
Bitterness is not a very becoming. The past & present can move together to progress the game forward yet you seem implacably opposed to such things. Why?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. So a swathe of clubs who has been professional in the past & have expressed a desire to become professional in the present yet have been deliberately excluded & deliberately prevented by that same governing body & by the clubs in that same competition are just supposed to become professional & spend 5-10 million per year so that they can demonstrate to those same people & to people such as yourself that they possess ambition. I hope you don't manage the finances in your household because you're adopting a position that even fucking dumber than your aforementioned dumb fuck mate. :hehe::laugh: Yeah mum, I've cleaned my room. I would've handed it in Miss, but the dog ate my homework. Yes boss, I know was supposed to finish yesterday, but it took a little longer than I expected. I'll have the rent money for you tomorrow, I promise. Baby, she means nothing to me, it was just a fling, a physical thing. Son, I know you wanted to go to college, but the college fund didn't quit eventuate. Would've, Could've, Should've. etc. etc. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Way to attempt to completely avoid your incorrect assertions. :laugh: Bitterness is not a very becoming. The past & present can move together to progress the game forward yet you seem implacably opposed to such things. Why? Pot. Kettle. Black. I'm not the one hung up on the past. I'm all for old NSL clubs or NPL clubs coming in to the A League or a National Second Division. As I've said many times before, the ONLY thing we NEED is for those clubs to be fully professional. It's no good those clubs blaming the FFA or anyone else for their own failure to become fully professional.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. So a swathe of clubs who has been professional in the past & have expressed a desire to become professional in the present yet have been deliberately excluded & deliberately prevented by that same governing body & by the clubs in that same competition are just supposed to become professional & spend 5-10 million per year so that they can demonstrate to those same people & to people such as yourself that they possess ambition. I hope you don't manage the finances in your household because you're adopting a position that even fucking dumber than your aforementioned dumb fuck mate. :hehe::laugh: Yeah mum, I've cleaned my room. I would've handed it in Miss, but the dog ate my homework. Yes boss, I know was supposed to finish yesterday, but it took a little longer than I expected. I'll have the rent money for you tomorrow, I promise. Baby, she means nothing to me, it was just a fling, a physical thing. Son, I know you wanted to go to college, but the college fund didn't quit eventuate. Would've, Could've, Should've. etc. etc. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Way to attempt to completely avoid your incorrect assertions. :laugh: Bitterness is not a very becoming. The past & present can move together to progress the game forward yet you seem implacably opposed to such things. Why? Pot. Kettle. Black. I'm not the one hung up on the past. I'm all for old NSL clubs or NPL clubs coming in to the A League or a National Second Division. As I've said many times before, the ONLY thing we NEED is for those clubs to be fully professional. It's no good those clubs blaming the FFA or anyone else for their own failure to become fully professional. We need a NSD more than we need a fully pro NSD.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. So a swathe of clubs who has been professional in the past & have expressed a desire to become professional in the present yet have been deliberately excluded & deliberately prevented by that same governing body & by the clubs in that same competition are just supposed to become professional & spend 5-10 million per year so that they can demonstrate to those same people & to people such as yourself that they possess ambition. I hope you don't manage the finances in your household because you're adopting a position that even fucking dumber than your aforementioned dumb fuck mate. :hehe::laugh: Yeah mum, I've cleaned my room. I would've handed it in Miss, but the dog ate my homework. Yes boss, I know was supposed to finish yesterday, but it took a little longer than I expected. I'll have the rent money for you tomorrow, I promise. Baby, she means nothing to me, it was just a fling, a physical thing. Son, I know you wanted to go to college, but the college fund didn't quit eventuate. Would've, Could've, Should've. etc. etc. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Way to attempt to completely avoid your incorrect assertions. :laugh: Bitterness is not a very becoming. The past & present can move together to progress the game forward yet you seem implacably opposed to such things. Why? Pot. Kettle. Black. I'm not the one hung up on the past. I'm all for old NSL clubs or NPL clubs coming in to the A League or a National Second Division. As I've said many times before, the ONLY thing we NEED is for those clubs to be fully professional. It's no good those clubs blaming the FFA or anyone else for their own failure to become fully professional. We need a NSD more than we need a fully pro NSD. It would be considerably more financially sustainable as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. So a swathe of clubs who has been professional in the past & have expressed a desire to become professional in the present yet have been deliberately excluded & deliberately prevented by that same governing body & by the clubs in that same competition are just supposed to become professional & spend 5-10 million per year so that they can demonstrate to those same people & to people such as yourself that they possess ambition. I hope you don't manage the finances in your household because you're adopting a position that even fucking dumber than your aforementioned dumb fuck mate. :hehe::laugh: Yeah mum, I've cleaned my room. I would've handed it in Miss, but the dog ate my homework. Yes boss, I know was supposed to finish yesterday, but it took a little longer than I expected. I'll have the rent money for you tomorrow, I promise. Baby, she means nothing to me, it was just a fling, a physical thing. Son, I know you wanted to go to college, but the college fund didn't quit eventuate. Would've, Could've, Should've. etc. etc. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Way to attempt to completely avoid your incorrect assertions. :laugh: Bitterness is not a very becoming. The past & present can move together to progress the game forward yet you seem implacably opposed to such things. Why? Pot. Kettle. Black. I'm not the one hung up on the past. I'm all for old NSL clubs or NPL clubs coming in to the A League or a National Second Division. As I've said many times before, the ONLY thing we NEED is for those clubs to be fully professional. It's no good those clubs blaming the FFA or anyone else for their own failure to become fully professional. We need a NSD more than we need a fully pro NSD. It would be considerably more financially sustainable as well. AAFC seem to think so. Have to go on what they wrote - some will be pro, others will get there eventually (paraphrasing). The essence is that it is more critical or happens ASAP and can Ben tweaked after. This “has to be perfect from day 1” thinking allows people to push back the start date in their own minds.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Australia is different, we're so unique blah blah blah. yet it works near on everywhere else barring the few exceptions...... WTF some people. We have P&R right now in PL comps but not our plastic unique no1 league. We sure need the pipedream for this is not going to work in the future period. Smaller Clubs left behind, nothing new here, thats competing in top flight, you either work smart or your back down thats competing in sport. I suppose jegga wishs for a no contest league in the future, all are winners no losers just as was introduced for the Jnrs. You guys have been talking about p&r for like 5 years now. Still nothing has happened even for 2nd div. These npl clubs don't have 2 dollars to rub together let alone enough to run they're own division.Nothing has happened in 5 years, nothing will happen for another 15... 100% incorrect on both counts. Then get it done! Enough talk on the forums or the twitters! If they have the 10 to 15 mill a year then do it... Fuck consulting FFA, just start a rebel division lol! And don't go asking the a-league or FFA for the cash either. However I suspect we'll be waiting a long time before any if that happens... Exactly! If a club has been running for 30-40-50 years and still has not become a full-time professional football club, it is not the fault of FFA or the A League. It is a choice that has been made by that club. It beggars belief that in 2020 any club aiming to be in the A League considers it is acceptable to operate as social club who just happens to field a semi-professional football team. So a swathe of clubs who has been professional in the past & have expressed a desire to become professional in the present yet have been deliberately excluded & deliberately prevented by that same governing body & by the clubs in that same competition are just supposed to become professional & spend 5-10 million per year so that they can demonstrate to those same people & to people such as yourself that they possess ambition. I hope you don't manage the finances in your household because you're adopting a position that even fucking dumber than your aforementioned dumb fuck mate. :hehe::laugh: Yeah mum, I've cleaned my room. I would've handed it in Miss, but the dog ate my homework. Yes boss, I know was supposed to finish yesterday, but it took a little longer than I expected. I'll have the rent money for you tomorrow, I promise. Baby, she means nothing to me, it was just a fling, a physical thing. Son, I know you wanted to go to college, but the college fund didn't quit eventuate. Would've, Could've, Should've. etc. etc. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Way to attempt to completely avoid your incorrect assertions. :laugh: Bitterness is not a very becoming. The past & present can move together to progress the game forward yet you seem implacably opposed to such things. Why? Pot. Kettle. Black. I'm not the one hung up on the past. I'm all for old NSL clubs or NPL clubs coming in to the A League or a National Second Division. As I've said many times before, the ONLY thing we NEED is for those clubs to be fully professional. It's no good those clubs blaming the FFA or anyone else for their own failure to become fully professional. your always not on the money but ok...... I'm not seeing any articles the last years from PL clubs pointing out the FFA are the blame anymore but for holding out some who have wished to join AL. Get it right please. Read the other article regards NSD, its quoted some Clubs will be capable of turning Pro and some will take sometime IF they wish to. Get on the page please.
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+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. 200 countries have P/R. 3 don't because......reasons.
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+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. 200 countries have P/R. 3 don't because......reasons. I know two of the three, who is the 3rd?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. 200 countries have P/R. 3 don't because......reasons. I know two of the three, who is the 3rd? Some shithole in the middle east I thought. Edit: here you go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_leagues_without_promotion_and_relegationSo Gibralter, San Marino and the Philippines. What esteemed company we keep.
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+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. You dont need a cap to push the level down. We just have to accept that some clubs will focus on developing youth, which is not a bad thing. Think about it this way, the clubs will still have to spend a reasonable amount firstly because if they don't they dont they will be uncompetitive but secondly if they dont no one will come through the door. So the owners of the clubs know what they need to do, they dont need their hand held. Some of these lower spending clubs are already uncompetitive and that is with salary caps and everything attached. Just accept that their will always be big clubs and small clubs, just like everywhere in the world. We don't employ a European model. The European model includes P & R and yes it can work. We are a wealthy country playing a sport with the highest participation rates in the country and we can't get people to invest their time and energy in the A-league. Part of the reason is because its not the best league in the world, but you are not attracting these people anyway, the other reason is that the way you connect everyone to the A-league is by connecting the tiers. This idea that your little club can slowly work its way up the tiers through hard work, investment, ingenuity and graft over a period of time is something which resonates with every football fan worldwide. It might be a naive and romantic notion, but guess what, it works in football and always will. Now people are going to bang on if we had P&R how Woop Woop FC is going to come into the A-league at the expense of WSW or Victory or whoever. Really, people obviously dont have much of an idea on how P & R works. Clubs are chosen on merit so if it is Woop Woop FC it means they are there for a reason. Deal with it.............be a better club so that it doesn't happen and guess what, it won't.
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+x+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. You dont need a cap to push the level down. We just have to accept that some clubs will focus on developing youth, which is not a bad thing. Think about it this way, the clubs will still have to spend a reasonable amount firstly because if they don't they dont they will be uncompetitive but secondly if they dont no one will come through the door. So the owners of the clubs know what they need to do, they dont need their hand held. Some of these lower spending clubs are already uncompetitive and that is with salary caps and everything attached. Just accept that their will always be big clubs and small clubs, just like everywhere in the world. We don't employ a European model. The European model includes P & R and yes it can work. We are a wealthy country playing a sport with the highest participation rates in the country and we can't get people to invest their time and energy in the A-league. Part of the reason is because its not the best league in the world, but you are not attracting these people anyway, the other reason is that the way you connect everyone to the A-league is by connecting the tiers. This idea that your little club can slowly work its way up the tiers through hard work, investment, ingenuity and graft over a period of time is something which resonates with every football fan worldwide. It might be a naive and romantic notion, but guess what, it works in football and always will. Now people are going to bang on if we had P&R how Woop Woop FC is going to come into the A-league at the expense of WSW or Victory or whoever. Really, people obviously dont have much of an idea on how P & R works. Clubs are chosen on merit so if it is Woop Woop FC it means they are there for a reason. Deal with it.............be a better club so that it doesn't happen and guess what, it won't. There won't be a any promotion and relegation in this country, you're not in reality. First the owners will block it, the a-l rights buyers will block it, they won't want any big/medium market teams to go down and be replaced by some shitty little npl club.
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+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. Push the cap down to a level most clubs can afford. Straight cap of around 2 mill, no loopholes except for 1 or 2 marquee spots, 3+1 for foreigners. Need to get the league competitive again, smaller teams are being left behind. This has made the long a-league seasons tedious and boring as it becomes more predictitable. European models don't work in Australia. Seems we are not as unique as we think. League One & Two clubs vote to introduce salary capLeague One clubs will be able to spend up to a limit of £2.5m on player wages, bonuses and various associated fees. Plans for salary caps in League One and League Two are "unlawful and unenforceable" says the Professional Footballers Association. Clubs voted for a limit of £2.5m and £1.5m for the respective divisions. Wages, bonuses, taxes and image rights, plus agents' and other relevant fees, will be included within the cap but bonuses gained from promotion or progression in cups will be exempt. Clubs will be fined or face further sanctions if they exceed the limits. The PFA reacted to Friday's votes by saying it is "disappointed with the outcome". "The English Football League (EFL) has ignored its legal obligation to consult with the PFA and the Professional Football Negotiating and Consultative Committee," it added in a statement. "As such, the legal advice we have received is clear that the salary cap envisaged by the EFL would be unlawful and unenforceable. "The PFA has already served its notice of arbitration on the EFL and until such time that arbitration is determined one way or another the new regulations should have no effect. "While we share the league's commitment to protecting the long-term sustainability of the leagues, the salary cap proposals voted on today have been rushed through without the proper consideration or consultation." The financial positions of clubs, particularly outside the top two divisions in England, have been brought into focus in recent months because of the coronavirus pandemic. In June, a majority of League One and Two clubs voted to curtail their respective league seasons, with the financial impact cited by many as a primary reason to end the campaign early. Talks 'healthy and constructive' - EFLAnnouncing the outcome of the vote, an EFL statement said: "The decision follows extensive and comprehensive consultation with all clubs in respect of addressing sustainability and wage inflation issues across the EFL, which were initiated prior to the suspension of football in March following the Covid-19 outbreak and have continued during the course of the summer. "Those discussions culminated in today's divisional vote, with representatives of League One and League Two clubs opting to implement the new measures in place of the existing salary cost management protocols." The statement added that clubs in the third and fourth tiers are talking about "additional measures aimed at addressing club financial sustainability", while Championship clubs are continuing discussions "in respect to amendments to their own financial controls". EFL chief executive David Baldwin added: "The term 'salary cap' is an emotive one, creating the impression of a restrictive measure but we are clear in our view that this is neither the objective nor the likely effect of these changes to EFL regulations. "The financial impact of Covid-19 will be profound for EFL clubs and today's vote will help ensure clubs cannot extend themselves to the point that could cause financial instability. "Over the last two weeks the discussions amongst clubs in both Leagues One and Two have been healthy and constructive, allowing us to reach a clear consensus and I am pleased that the clubs have determined to adopt the new approach. "We will now work with all clubs, the PFA and, where appropriate, other stakeholders to implement the new rules and continue our efforts to bring long-term sustainability to the EFL." What happens if a club exceeds the cap?If a club is over the salary cap by up to 5%, they will face a financial penalty for every £1 by which they exceed the limit. Any club exceeding the 'overrun' will be referred to an independent disciplinary commission for further sanction. And what about clubs moving between divisions?The EFL says "transition agreements" have been incorporated for relegated clubs and players on longer-term contracts. Their statement added: "Any contract entered into on or prior to the vote will be capped at an agreed divisional average until that contract expires. "Moving forwards, clubs that are relegated will be permitted to cap all contracts at the divisional average prior to the club's relegation until those contracts expire." ] https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53696424
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+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. and add p&r and the league will filter out the clubs that cant/wont/don't want to compete
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+x+x+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. The smallest club (Mariners) has already won 4 of the last 6 wooden spoons, so the salary cap isn't working to begin with. May as well set minimum pay levels, set restrictions on foreign players, and let the clubs just spend whatever they can afford Ideally, the Mariners would have been relegated by now, but that's another discussion again. and add p&r and the league will filter out the clubs that cant/wont/don't want to compete p&r will never happen. A pipe dream.
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+x+x“ A-League players to push for overhaul of failing salary capThe A-League salary cap is not only failing in its stated aims but also “directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences”, according to the players’ union, which will this week step up a campaign to see it reformed.Discussions over the cap will be a key flashpoint when Professional Footballers Australia and clubs pick up discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement. It is understood the players will push hard for the cap to be abolished. Watch every match of the 2019/20 Hyundai A-League Season LIVE on Kayo. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >As revealed last week, it is feared that the standoff, and the looming cuts to the game’s salary cap for next season, could result in an exodus of the A-League’s biggest names.And that could be leveraged into calls to scrap the $3.2 million salary cap altogether.It is a position which has been raised previously by the players’ union, which argues it does little to promote competitive balance, nor the financial sustainability of clubs.And with the league facing a critical juncture, players believe now is the time to act.“The restraints imposed by the salary cap means that its ongoing operation requires continual agreement from the players and this agreement has always been highly conditional,” PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch told News Corp.“The players’ position is clear; the current model requires significant reform.“In its current form, the salary cap is not achieving its stated objectives and is directly contributing to a raft of negative unintended consequences such as extreme player churn and fan disengagement.”Last month, FFA chief executive James Johnson revealed the 11 principles upon which it was hoped Australian football could build and grow — with one being establishing a domestic transfer system which could reward clubs for developing and producing talent. However the PFA believes this would not be feasible while continuing to operate under a restrictive salary cap.“Attempts to introduce a domestic transfer system, while continuing to operate a salary cap, would be hugely problematic and is likely only to result in the further erosion of competitive balance and financial viability,” Busch said.When the COVID-19 shutdown hit, the financial instability of clubs was laid bare, with teams forced to stand down players and slash costs across the board.FFA was contacted for comment.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-players-to-push-for-overhaul-of-failing-salary-cap/news-story/cac6d7b0c5aea89f9a152310683dff04 We've seen what happens when you poke holes in the salary cap, big teams start to win more (syd fc melb city) and smaller teams start to lose more. This will be exacerbated by a full removal of the cap. It will probably end the league. No it wont and all this fear mongering is beyond dull.
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Just make the cap a FFP model on what is sustainable for each clubs earnings. It will allow small clubs to achieve whilst not going bankrupt. If a smaller club wants to spend more then they will need more investment in the club as opposed to a sugar daddy pumping money into it then losing interest. Pretty sure that is what they do in Germany
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Removing the cap could potentially make the competition even more distorted. Imagine SFC spending $5m a year and Jets $1m as an hypothetical. The solution however exists all around us. Tax over spending.Dont cap spending. Instead of a cap have a tax free threshold say $2m.Tax over that and send the money into a pool to be distributed to all clubs sixth monthly. Distributions can be even or weighted to clubs with lower revenue. Add to that transfer fees and smaller clubs start to get more money The solutions are there.But big clubs will still be able to be big and smaller clubs will at least be competitive.
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he too funny this jegga....
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“ Let them pay what they want': Agent calls for A-League salary cap floor to goOne of Australian football's most respected player agents has called for the A-League to abolish not just the salary cap but also the floor, to enable clubs to spend as much, or as little, as they want on their squads. John Grimaud, who has teed up transfers abroad for many Socceroos and brought several high-profile imports to Australia, has accused both clubs and players of "complacency" and believes a serious shake-up is needed in how money is distributed in the local game to fix it....”
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/let-them-pay-what-they-want-agent-calls-for-a-league-salary-cap-floor-to-go-20200805-p55iwd.html
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Trim the fat
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1) Get rid of the cap 2) Establish a minimum spend. .i.e. x number of players X minimum player payment. 3) Allow transfer fees
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Good interview with Moore. In fact, he talks more about the level of player salaries, especially starting salaries for young players. He feels the starting salary for a young teenager of $70k (plus super), is too high. He's probably right, should really be halved in the new environment, although the PA will fight tooth and nail against that. Clearly, you can't start an NSD if the minimum salary is $70k (or even half that), to be honest. We know the A-League clubs are probably stonewalling to protect their turf, you can probably add the PA to that list, in the sense that they won't make it easy for a low-cost NSD to start up. Little wonder there is zero progress on pretty much anything.
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+xGood interview with Moore. In fact, he talks more about the level of player salaries, especially starting salaries for young players. He feels the starting salary for a young teenager of $70k (plus super), is too high. He's probably right, should really be halved in the new environment, although the PA will fight tooth and nail against that. Clearly, you can't start an NSD if the minimum salary is $70k (or even half that), to be honest. We know the A-League clubs are probably stonewalling to protect their turf, you can probably add the PA to that list, in the sense that they won't make it easy for a low-cost NSD to start up. Little wonder there is zero progress on pretty much anything. Moore brings up usual points - align with Asia - pay less - pro rel/NSD but another important point that is often lost here, protection for clubs through the European summer transfer window. Meaning European clubs would have to buy players. This is difficult with the culture of short term contacts in AL
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+x+xGood interview with Moore. In fact, he talks more about the level of player salaries, especially starting salaries for young players. He feels the starting salary for a young teenager of $70k (plus super), is too high. He's probably right, should really be halved in the new environment, although the PA will fight tooth and nail against that. Clearly, you can't start an NSD if the minimum salary is $70k (or even half that), to be honest. We know the A-League clubs are probably stonewalling to protect their turf, you can probably add the PA to that list, in the sense that they won't make it easy for a low-cost NSD to start up. Little wonder there is zero progress on pretty much anything. Moore brings up usual points - align with Asia - pay less - pro rel/NSD but another important point that is often lost here, protection for clubs through the European summer transfer window. Meaning European clubs would have to buy players. This is difficult with the culture of short term contacts in AL This has to be dealt with .... and is a function of the Cap.
Clubs are reluctant to sign players long term as it locks down a squad spot and players are reluctant to sign for longer as the easiest way to get a $1,000 per month pay rise is to hop clubs.
It’s easy enough to fix.
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Actually Moore answers a question on the cap and the salary floor at 41m
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Moore says we have to set up things like the rest of the world. Set it up now, even if there's short term pain. Get the base right, set up the infrastucture properly, then you can have growth. But it it's done in dribs and drabs....
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+xMoore says we have to set up things like the rest of the world. Set it up now, even if there's short term pain. Get the base right, set up the infrastucture properly, then you can have growth. But it it's done in dribs and drabs.... He is right on this point. It is like technology. It’s better to release something then keep doing updates. We hear especially from FFA guy involved “it has to done right”. No it doesn’t. It will never be done perfect first go. If a NSD is started tomorrow or 5 or 10 years it will still be tweaked. If FFA are afraid of a bad look of clubs dropping up create a fail safe model eg we want 12 teams minim always playing in NSD that’s why we have a 16 team comp
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Lucy made a good point, Charlesworth was really only interested in getting access to property, once the council dashed that, he wasn't interested anymore. This is going to happen again, already with all these bids, so many are predicated on getting access to property - WU succeeded (for the moment). This is really only an issue because we are selling licenses. If you have a system of direct P&R, it becomes less of an issue because it's performance on the park which determines who goes up, and the likes of the Mariners end up getting relegated.
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bettega
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Waiting for the ideal time is just an excuse to appease those interests who don't want it, not now, not ever. Never forget that the A-League clubs were lobbying to make the NSD a reserves comp - we all know why.
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bettega
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Spider getting stuck into James Johnson: he's very quiet, where is he, never hear from him, etc. I tell you what, in the first couple of years of his tenure, Gallop was far more vocal and visible than what James Johnson has been.
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+xSpider getting stuck into James Johnson: he's very quiet, where is he, never hear from him, etc. I tell you what, in the first couple of years of his tenure, Gallop was far more vocal and visible than what James Johnson has been. To be fair Gallop didn't have half the crapola to sort through than what JJ has.
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Really interesting to see key football personalities also having a crack now about the lack of action. JJ looks like a dud the longer this drags on and dont even start with Nikou, what does he even do?
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+xReally interesting to see key football personalities also having a crack now about the lack of action. JJ looks like a dud the longer this drags on and dont even start with Nikou, what does he even do? Patience is a virtue.
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+xReally interesting to see key football personalities also having a crack now about the lack of action. JJ looks like a dud the longer this drags on and dont even start with Nikou, what does he even do? Been saying this for months. JJ another fatcat.
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+xReally interesting to see key football personalities also having a crack now about the lack of action. JJ looks like a dud the longer this drags on and dont even start with Nikou, what does he even do? Siphon money.
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I don't know what is happening behind the scenes. But seeing as jj worked with CFG and knowing how they operate this silence is perfectly normal. As city fans we always find out once something is set in stone. If there is nothing concrete to report they don't talk. It can be frustrating sometimes but if this is the case there is a lot of work being done without us knowing.
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+xI don't know what is happening behind the scenes. But seeing as jj worked with CFG and knowing how they operate this silence is perfectly normal. As city fans we always find out once something is set in stone. If there is nothing concrete to report they don't talk. It can be frustrating sometimes but if this is the case there is a lot of work being done without us knowing. Exactly.
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+xI don't know what is happening behind the scenes. But seeing as jj worked with CFG and knowing how they operate this silence is perfectly normal. As city fans we always find out once something is set in stone. If there is nothing concrete to report they don't talk. It can be frustrating sometimes but if this is the case there is a lot of work being done without us knowing. Fully agree. I do think some kind of updates would be beneficial, but given the sheer amount of things they would have to be working through and prioritising, I don’t envy JJ’s position.
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