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+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it.
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+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it. It will all depends what the AAFC model is, but if it requires financial support from the FFA in some way, shape or form to get off the ground, it’s unlikely to be accepted. The AAFC could complain as loudly as they want if the above situation played out, but they realistically need a model that is supported by revenue streams from day 1 as there just isn’t the money available to prop up a 2nd competition, as the first is already fading away. If the AAFC can get enough clubs on board, find enough sponsorship and broadcaster interest in the proposal, the FFA would be in no position to reject it. Even they know it’s needed, they just can’t afford it.
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+x+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it. It will all depends what the AAFC model is, but if it requires financial support from the FFA in some way, shape or form to get off the ground, it’s unlikely to be accepted. The AAFC could complain as loudly as they want if the above situation played out, but they realistically need a model that is supported by revenue streams from day 1 as there just isn’t the money available to prop up a 2nd competition, as the first is already fading away. If the AAFC can get enough clubs on board, find enough sponsorship and broadcaster interest in the proposal, the FFA would be in no position to reject it. Even they know it’s needed, they just can’t afford it. Revenue streams yes but cost cutting also. Why not have a hotel chain and airline as major sponsors if that can happen. In return free accommodation/travel or reduced. Even if every club had the same sponsor on the front of their shirts. Hopefully there are creative solutions.
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+x+x+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it. It will all depends what the AAFC model is, but if it requires financial support from the FFA in some way, shape or form to get off the ground, it’s unlikely to be accepted. The AAFC could complain as loudly as they want if the above situation played out, but they realistically need a model that is supported by revenue streams from day 1 as there just isn’t the money available to prop up a 2nd competition, as the first is already fading away. If the AAFC can get enough clubs on board, find enough sponsorship and broadcaster interest in the proposal, the FFA would be in no position to reject it. Even they know it’s needed, they just can’t afford it. Revenue streams yes but cost cutting also. Why have a hotel chain and airline as major sponsors if that can happen. In return free accommodation/travel or reduced. Even if every club had the same sponsor on the front of their shirts. Hopefully there are creative solutions. I can’t see the clubs wanting to limit their sponsorship opportunities, but ultimately it may take drastic action to get anything off the ground.
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+x+x+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it. It will all depends what the AAFC model is, but if it requires financial support from the FFA in some way, shape or form to get off the ground, it’s unlikely to be accepted. The AAFC could complain as loudly as they want if the above situation played out, but they realistically need a model that is supported by revenue streams from day 1 as there just isn’t the money available to prop up a 2nd competition, as the first is already fading away. If the AAFC can get enough clubs on board, find enough sponsorship and broadcaster interest in the proposal, the FFA would be in no position to reject it. Even they know it’s needed, they just can’t afford it. Revenue streams yes but cost cutting also. Why not have a hotel chain and airline as major sponsors if that can happen. In return free accommodation/travel or reduced. Even if every club had the same sponsor on the front of their shirts. Hopefully there are creative solutions. Because hotels and airlines are really flush with cash at the moment... Seriously though, the most viable for an NSD is to have clubs operating pretty much as they are in the NPL. I.e. semi-pro squads, playing in a small suburban grounds. Then they just have to cover the added travel expenses. This would probably be something around 300-500k per club per year depending on the format and which teams are in. Broadcasting and league sponsorship could cover a little bit of it, but the bulk would have to come from the clubs themselves.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it. It will all depends what the AAFC model is, but if it requires financial support from the FFA in some way, shape or form to get off the ground, it’s unlikely to be accepted. The AAFC could complain as loudly as they want if the above situation played out, but they realistically need a model that is supported by revenue streams from day 1 as there just isn’t the money available to prop up a 2nd competition, as the first is already fading away. If the AAFC can get enough clubs on board, find enough sponsorship and broadcaster interest in the proposal, the FFA would be in no position to reject it. Even they know it’s needed, they just can’t afford it. Revenue streams yes but cost cutting also. Why not have a hotel chain and airline as major sponsors if that can happen. In return free accommodation/travel or reduced. Even if every club had the same sponsor on the front of their shirts. Hopefully there are creative solutions. Because hotels and airlines are really flush with cash at the moment... Seriously though, the most viable for an NSD is to have clubs operating pretty much as they are in the NPL. I.e. semi-pro squads, playing in a small suburban grounds. Then they just have to cover the added travel expenses. This would probably be something around 300-500k per club per year depending on the format and which teams are in. Broadcasting and league sponsorship could cover a little bit of it, but the bulk would have to come from the clubs themselves. That would be the most realistic. We cannot wish upon a sponsor that doesn’t exist. In time expand but right now a lot of these clubs exist on shoe string budgets. This explains why the juniors are charged so much. Thousands of dollars to have kids playing in ‘elite programs’ what a joke! Only to drop out or make the youth squad of an amateur club.
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+x+x+x“.....When the AAFC announced on Monday that it was set to meet on Aug. 25 to "discuss the criteria for a national second division, with a public statement to be issued after that meeting," and that it was "forging ahead with a view to commencing a NSD in 2022," Australian football was sent into a tizzy. But the organisation, a collective group of National Premier League sides, has explained to ESPN that the coming meeting doesn't indicate a breakaway from the FFA and auger a move to set up a rebel competition but, instead, is designed to lay the groundwork that will enable all stakeholders to put in place a second tier sooner rather than later.
Comparing it to the plans to seek out informal EOIs that FFA CEO that Johnson revealed to the Sydney Morning Herald in March, the AAFC intends to take stock of the interest levels of its clubs in participating in a NSD and their capabilities to do so, as well as check in to see how they've been affected by the pandemic.
"We haven't decided, I want to make clear, that the 'FFA isn't doing this, so we're doing this on our own,'" AAFC president Nick Galatas told ESPN. "We're out there canvassing interest against a couple of [NSD] models to go to the FFA with. I think that's the clear takeaway. It's been misconstrued that we've severed the relationship with the FFA and gone our own way, that's not true." The information they gather, the AAFC believes, will then enable proper planning for the launch of a NSD division by 2022 to swing into action -- although they emphasised it will ultimately be guided by their members as to when they will be best placed to take part in a newly launched competition. "Unless you work towards it, you don't get there," Galatas said. "You can always think of problems. If you actively pursue something, you can come up with 1000 reasons why it won't work, but you've got to do it. We know there are issues, doesn't mean they're insurmountable."
https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league/story/4163868/a-league-wrap-sydney-fcs-biggest-threats-trevor-morgans-vision-plans-for-a-second-division?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true It’s exactly the plan that I had mentioned a while back, as getting on the front foot and providing a plan to the FFA that requires little work for them to get done themselves is the way forward. Good to see that they are looking outside the box. I’m sure many clubs would love to be involved, but it’s likely many would be expecting a significant part of their plans to be funded by NSD broadcaster and sponsor revenues, but the chances of that being a realistic possibility are next to zero right now. Finding what the expectations are is a good way of identifying the gaps, and determining a viable model.
It’s a great concept but as many in the game have indicated, whether the money is there to feed the appetite is certainly the roadblock. Good luck to them with this process. The ONLY real "roadblocks" are the two slime-buckets that currently occupy the Chairman and CEO positions!!! The sooner that "the Greek" and "the Weasel" are chased out of Football, the sooner the game will be able to move forward again!!! The "gross incompetence" of these two imbeciles is entirely responsible for costing the sport over $120M in less than eight months!!! "The Aussies" that came before The "Greek" and the "Weasel" were of the same imcompetence. Need non-politicial types in these roles. There isn't anybody with the required clout to get into these roles. The movers and shakers are the broadcasters only.
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+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it. Ultimately there’s nothing wrong with having deserving A-League U23 teams in a NSD. The truth is atm Sydney FC NPL are one of if not the best side in NPL NSW, and they’re playing at the moment without Tilio, Swibel, Flottman, Mlinaric, Pavlesic, Heward-Belle, Ivanovic who will return at the conclusion of the A-League season. Just like in the Netherlands, where they have Jong Ajax, Jong PSV and Jong AZ in the Second Division, there’s no reason why very strong youth sides should be in the Second Division and be subject to relegation in the same way as other teams.
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+x+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it. Ultimately there’s nothing wrong with having deserving A-League U23 teams in a NSD. The truth is atm Sydney FC NPL are one of if not the best side in NPL NSW, and they’re playing at the moment without Tilio, Swibel, Flottman, Mlinaric, Pavlesic, Heward-Belle, Ivanovic who will return at the conclusion of the A-League season. Just like in the Netherlands, where they have Jong Ajax, Jong PSV and Jong AZ in the Second Division, there’s no reason why very strong youth sides should be in the Second Division and be subject to relegation in the same way as other teams. I'd be happy with that, as long as they had to get themselves promoted, as you mention.
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It really doesn't depend on the AAFC model.
We know the logistics costs, anyone can figure that one out.
The question is the Player Costs, with the salary cap to drop to $1.6m-$2m about half that is what you would expect as the base for a NSD.
So your looking at a $1.2m-$2m cost to be in the NSD
It all depends if there are enough Clubs and others prepared to use their money to be in it.
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+xIt really doesn't depend on the AAFC model. We know the logistics costs, anyone can figure that one out. The question is the Player Costs, with the salary cap to drop to $1.6m-$2m about half that is what you would expect as the base for a NSD. So your looking at a $1.2m-$2m cost to be in the NSD It all depends if there are enough Clubs and others prepared to use their money to be in it. If A-League salary costs are around $1.6 mill to $2 mill, then I reckon you'd have NSD salaries at approx. 40% of that (on average), which is around $640k to $800k total salaries bill per annum. At $640k salary cost, you might have 10 players as being virtually professional, sharing around $440,000, and then you might have another 10 semi-pros sharing the remaining $200k (topping up with youth players who cost almost zero). It's going to work something like that.
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+x+xIt really doesn't depend on the AAFC model. We know the logistics costs, anyone can figure that one out. The question is the Player Costs, with the salary cap to drop to $1.6m-$2m about half that is what you would expect as the base for a NSD. So your looking at a $1.2m-$2m cost to be in the NSD It all depends if there are enough Clubs and others prepared to use their money to be in it. If A-League salary costs are around $1.6 mill to $2 mill, then I reckon you'd have NSD salaries at approx. 40% of that (on average), which is around $640k to $800k total salaries bill per annum. At $640k salary cost, you might have 10 players as being virtually professional, sharing around $440,000, and then you might have another 10 semi-pros sharing the remaining $200k (topping up with youth players who cost almost zero). It's going to work something like that. There is no point having a salary cap, least of all in a NSD. If an ambitious club want to rise up quickly, let them professionalise totally and spend as much as they want. It can only be good for the game. Obviously sustainability is imperative - but we should encourage ambition and let clubs spend what they want within a sustainable model in order to achieve success.
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+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
The Greek & the Weasel have single-handedly "LOST" the game more than 120 Million dollars, that's RIGHT MORE THAN 120 MILLION DOLLARS during the past eight months!!! AND then they have the "BALD FACED TEMERITY" to use the "EXCUSE" that there's SIMPLY NO MONEY TO DO ANYTHING!!! AS they are ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE for the loss of that revenue they ARE NOT ENTITLED TO USE THAT REVENUE LOSS AS AN EXCUSE TO COVER THEIR SORRY ARSES FOR DOING NOTHING!!! "The Greek" and "Jimmy Jowls" are NOTHING MORE than low level Bunnings' style $35,000/year floor managers and are NOT "EXECUTIVE'S A**EHOLES!!!" These two "F**kwits" MUST be thrown out of the game immediately and replaced by experienced overseas executives who know what they are doing!!!
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+xThe 3,100 responses to the XI principles averages out at 281 responses per survey. It was extended due to poor response, wonder how many FFA friends and family made up the difference. Now we are expected that these responses provide a mandate to follow through on these responses. Please. FWIW I only completed a few of the surveys, I didn't feel confident giving responses to some topics I felt were out of my league. Even so, 250+ opinions for each principle should be plenty to read and deal with.
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Honestly I dont mind the Brazil style conference system if its works well for them then why not, we have to work against our geo. distances which hold back us.
Just want to see action and less talk, regardless of what structure is put in place.
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+x+x+x+x“.....When the AAFC announced on Monday that it was set to meet on Aug. 25 to "discuss the criteria for a national second division, with a public statement to be issued after that meeting," and that it was "forging ahead with a view to commencing a NSD in 2022," Australian football was sent into a tizzy. But the organisation, a collective group of National Premier League sides, has explained to ESPN that the coming meeting doesn't indicate a breakaway from the FFA and auger a move to set up a rebel competition but, instead, is designed to lay the groundwork that will enable all stakeholders to put in place a second tier sooner rather than later.
Comparing it to the plans to seek out informal EOIs that FFA CEO that Johnson revealed to the Sydney Morning Herald in March, the AAFC intends to take stock of the interest levels of its clubs in participating in a NSD and their capabilities to do so, as well as check in to see how they've been affected by the pandemic.
"We haven't decided, I want to make clear, that the 'FFA isn't doing this, so we're doing this on our own,'" AAFC president Nick Galatas told ESPN. "We're out there canvassing interest against a couple of [NSD] models to go to the FFA with. I think that's the clear takeaway. It's been misconstrued that we've severed the relationship with the FFA and gone our own way, that's not true." The information they gather, the AAFC believes, will then enable proper planning for the launch of a NSD division by 2022 to swing into action -- although they emphasised it will ultimately be guided by their members as to when they will be best placed to take part in a newly launched competition. "Unless you work towards it, you don't get there," Galatas said. "You can always think of problems. If you actively pursue something, you can come up with 1000 reasons why it won't work, but you've got to do it. We know there are issues, doesn't mean they're insurmountable."
https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league/story/4163868/a-league-wrap-sydney-fcs-biggest-threats-trevor-morgans-vision-plans-for-a-second-division?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true It’s exactly the plan that I had mentioned a while back, as getting on the front foot and providing a plan to the FFA that requires little work for them to get done themselves is the way forward. Good to see that they are looking outside the box. I’m sure many clubs would love to be involved, but it’s likely many would be expecting a significant part of their plans to be funded by NSD broadcaster and sponsor revenues, but the chances of that being a realistic possibility are next to zero right now. Finding what the expectations are is a good way of identifying the gaps, and determining a viable model.
It’s a great concept but as many in the game have indicated, whether the money is there to feed the appetite is certainly the roadblock. Good luck to them with this process. The ONLY real "roadblocks" are the two slime-buckets that currently occupy the Chairman and CEO positions!!! The sooner that "the Greek" and "the Weasel" are chased out of Football, the sooner the game will be able to move forward again!!! The "gross incompetence" of these two imbeciles is entirely responsible for costing the sport over $120M in less than eight months!!! "The Aussies" that came before The "Greek" and the "Weasel" were of the same imcompetence. Need non-politicial types in these roles. There isn't anybody with the required clout to get into these roles. The movers and shakers are the broadcasters only. I think Lowy Jr and Nikou are both Aussies, however wasn’t Steven counted as ethnic in FFA diversity numbers?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
I think it’s gone too far now. What he proposed today is already in existence. AL clubs playing youth teams in local NPL. And the end a finals series. Making the finals series an extra couple of games doesn't change what it is. AAFC should propose their model to FFA and go straight to FIFA when they don’t sanction it and reject it. It will all depends what the AAFC model is, but if it requires financial support from the FFA in some way, shape or form to get off the ground, it’s unlikely to be accepted. The AAFC could complain as loudly as they want if the above situation played out, but they realistically need a model that is supported by revenue streams from day 1 as there just isn’t the money available to prop up a 2nd competition, as the first is already fading away. If the AAFC can get enough clubs on board, find enough sponsorship and broadcaster interest in the proposal, the FFA would be in no position to reject it. Even they know it’s needed, they just can’t afford it. Revenue streams yes but cost cutting also. Why not have a hotel chain and airline as major sponsors if that can happen. In return free accommodation/travel or reduced. Even if every club had the same sponsor on the front of their shirts. Hopefully there are creative solutions. Because hotels and airlines are really flush with cash at the moment... Seriously though, the most viable for an NSD is to have clubs operating pretty much as they are in the NPL. I.e. semi-pro squads, playing in a small suburban grounds. Then they just have to cover the added travel expenses. This would probably be something around 300-500k per club per year depending on the format and which teams are in. Broadcasting and league sponsorship could cover a little bit of it, but the bulk would have to come from the clubs themselves. My point was not to ask them for cash but try and get it for free or drastically discounted in return for using them as sponsors. I don’t think they need to change much either. Just adhere to the minimum standards for grounds which AAFC believe most will. Also a minimum travel quality. Teams could end up in caravan parks.
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The problem with the current NPL system is the best talent is spread too thin.
Condensing the best talent into 12 or so teams will be the most important thing that NSD will do.
A simple Vic/NSW conferenced league is the easiest and best way I think . 6 interstate away trips should be manageable for clubs in their current forms .
We can build from that.
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+xThe problem with the current NPL system is the best talent is spread too thin. Condensing the best talent into 12 or so teams will be the most important thing that NSD will do. A simple Vic/NSW conferenced league is the easiest and best way I think . 6 interstate away trips should be manageable for clubs in their current forms . We can build from that. Even in that model you could minimize it to 3 times travel. Travel Wed morning play that night and Sat afternoon fly home that night. Same Thurs to Sun.
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+x+xThe problem with the current NPL system is the best talent is spread too thin. Condensing the best talent into 12 or so teams will be the most important thing that NSD will do. A simple Vic/NSW conferenced league is the easiest and best way I think . 6 interstate away trips should be manageable for clubs in their current forms . We can build from that. Even in that model you could minimize it to 3 times travel. Travel Wed morning play that night and Sat afternoon fly home that night. Same Thurs to Sun. If only we had a high speed rail line between our two biggest cities like a developed nation the teams in the above scenario could travel, play and come back same day, without the need for accommodation and other costs.
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“AAFC @AAFClubs So far over 50 member clubs from all states of Australia are confirmed for our national meeting on The Championship (NSD) Tue 25th Aug. Preparations are complete & we’re looking forward to seeing you all Smiling face with smiling eyes” https://mobile.twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1297403056716312576
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+x+x+xIt really doesn't depend on the AAFC model. We know the logistics costs, anyone can figure that one out. The question is the Player Costs, with the salary cap to drop to $1.6m-$2m about half that is what you would expect as the base for a NSD. So your looking at a $1.2m-$2m cost to be in the NSD It all depends if there are enough Clubs and others prepared to use their money to be in it. If A-League salary costs are around $1.6 mill to $2 mill, then I reckon you'd have NSD salaries at approx. 40% of that (on average), which is around $640k to $800k total salaries bill per annum. At $640k salary cost, you might have 10 players as being virtually professional, sharing around $440,000, and then you might have another 10 semi-pros sharing the remaining $200k (topping up with youth players who cost almost zero). It's going to work something like that. There is no point having a salary cap, least of all in a NSD. If an ambitious club want to rise up quickly, let them professionalise totally and spend as much as they want. It can only be good for the game. Obviously sustainability is imperative - but we should encourage ambition and let clubs spend what they want within a sustainable model in order to achieve success. I wasn't advocating for a salary cap. As things stand, they will still have it for next season, in the range of $1.6 mill to $2 mill. I am making the point that if salaries are costing around that in a professional A-League, then a salary bill of around 40% of that is viable in a semi-pro NSD. Anyway, it's all academic, there will be no NSD.
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+xThe problem with the current NPL system is the best talent is spread too thin. Condensing the best talent into 12 or so teams will be the most important thing that NSD will do. A simple Vic/NSW conferenced league is the easiest and best way I think . 6 interstate away trips should be manageable for clubs in their current forms . We can build from that. It would be the simplest way but it shouldn't be the way we go. If you start that way that is how it will stay. Set it up right from the beginning. Whether its 8, 10, 12 14 or 16 teams. If you make it NSW and Vic (i.e.probably just Sydney and Melbourne) that is how it will stay. If only 8 clubs can afford that's fine. To make it more affordable to Sydney and Melbourne teams bu limiting it to those two areas is not a justifiable position to cut out the rest of Australia,
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+x+xThe 3,100 responses to the XI principles averages out at 281 responses per survey. It was extended due to poor response, wonder how many FFA friends and family made up the difference. Now we are expected that these responses provide a mandate to follow through on these responses. Please. FWIW I only completed a few of the surveys, I didn't feel confident giving responses to some topics I felt were out of my league. Even so, 250+ opinions for each principle should be plenty to read and deal with. 2 million participants 281 responses per survey!!!!! Talking to a person I know in the consultancy industry thats not enough. The expectation of conducting a critical survey is closer to 20,000.
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I would be in favour of a north/south conference system, with 12 teams in each, and then play-offs at the end to decide promotion.
The north would be the top teams from the NSW NPL, plus Canberra and a few QLD sides. The south would be the top teams from the VIC NPL, plus Tassie and a couple of clubs each from SA and WA. This would keep travel costs down, as most matches would be either local derbies or a short (1.5h) plane trip. Only WA and North Queensland would require longer and more expensive travel (their costs could be subsidised by the league to keep them viable).
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+xThe problem with the current NPL system is the best talent is spread too thin. Condensing the best talent into 12 or so teams will be the most important thing that NSD will do. A simple Vic/NSW conferenced league is the easiest and best way I think . 6 interstate away trips should be manageable for clubs in their current forms . We can build from that. Agreed Timmy. Hopefully if a NSW/Vic comp is established then expansion sides and bidders can bring in additional cash to help underpin the comp and help make it self sustainable.
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You look at yesterday and today’s game- when something is on the line players step up.
AL season could be like this every (most) matches if relegation existed
Higher intensity, speed and spirit
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+x+x+x1. The vast majority are supportive of a NSD 2. Immediate push back, no reason, no ethnics needed, not part of the model, we gave you the FFA Cup, be happy etc. 3. Some support emerges cause no kids are getting a game at HAl level. Some people at HQ are concerened about poor international results at kids level especially, they are worried. They see NSD as the solution. 4. Arnie chimes in. Kids salvation etc. 5. Fox takes the COVID opportunity and cuts the TV Deal 6. Kids problem inadvertently solved as players flee 7. HAL plays kids, loses less money as Fox money wasted on players anyway. People like this more and better chance to sell overseas. Better financial model now. Owners couldnt see this all a fluke 8. Arnies problem goes away, his kids will get game time 9. Why do we need a NSD now? We don't want competing clubs and our kids are getting a game. 10. But AL teams need more kids for business purposes. But they can't afford a reserves comp. 11. Transfer fees are coming and they don't want to pay NPL Clubs. 12. They want to hog the best kids, free and have somewhere cheap for them to play. 13. So NSD conferenced works. 12 AL U23 reserve teams rising ro 14 or 16 as the Ponzi scheme expands with NPL and others to make 2 conferences 14 But still expensive and gives NSD new teams too much of a platform. It seeds a true NSD. Thats Dangerous. 15. Best solution for AL and sole objective at HQ - "Player Development" whatever that is - play the HAL U23 in their State Comps 16. Cheap for them. Keeps us in our place, Best youth goes to HAL, thjey minimise buying and maximise overseas transfers. I agree that everyone can see a NSD would be great, but until someone can put forward a proposal that at least has enough of a chance to get off the ground, and thrive, the FFA are unlikely to see it as a viable proposition. Those clubs that want to join need to make their case as strongly as possible, without expecting big revenue streams to magically appear overnight.
It has enough on its hands trying to work on issues are every turn, with next to no money to do that with. It’s easy to sit back and say they MUST do this, and MUST do that, but that ignores the reality that faces us at the best of time, let alone now.
The Greek & the Weasel have single-handedly "LOST" the game more than 120 Million dollars, that's RIGHT MORE THAN 120 MILLION DOLLARS during the past eight months!!! AND then they have the "BALD FACED TEMERITY" to use the "EXCUSE" that there's SIMPLY NO MONEY TO DO ANYTHING!!! AS they are ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE for the loss of that revenue they ARE NOT ENTITLED TO USE THAT REVENUE LOSS AS AN EXCUSE TO COVER THEIR SORRY ARSES FOR DOING NOTHING!!! "The Greek" and "Jimmy Jowls" are NOTHING MORE than low level Bunnings' style $35,000/year floor managers and are NOT "EXECUTIVE'S A**EHOLES!!!" These two "F**kwits" MUST be thrown out of the game immediately and replaced by experienced overseas executives who know what they are doing!!! Is it about Race for you or something? All the history of football has been mismanaged in all of its history! It has been a political issue with self interest at the top.
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+xThe problem with the current NPL system is the best talent is spread too thin. Condensing the best talent into 12 or so teams will be the most important thing that NSD will do. A simple Vic/NSW conferenced league is the easiest and best way I think . 6 interstate away trips should be manageable for clubs in their current forms . We can build from that. x2
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+x+x+x+x+x“.....When the AAFC announced on Monday that it was set to meet on Aug. 25 to "discuss the criteria for a national second division, with a public statement to be issued after that meeting," and that it was "forging ahead with a view to commencing a NSD in 2022," Australian football was sent into a tizzy. But the organisation, a collective group of National Premier League sides, has explained to ESPN that the coming meeting doesn't indicate a breakaway from the FFA and auger a move to set up a rebel competition but, instead, is designed to lay the groundwork that will enable all stakeholders to put in place a second tier sooner rather than later.
Comparing it to the plans to seek out informal EOIs that FFA CEO that Johnson revealed to the Sydney Morning Herald in March, the AAFC intends to take stock of the interest levels of its clubs in participating in a NSD and their capabilities to do so, as well as check in to see how they've been affected by the pandemic.
"We haven't decided, I want to make clear, that the 'FFA isn't doing this, so we're doing this on our own,'" AAFC president Nick Galatas told ESPN. "We're out there canvassing interest against a couple of [NSD] models to go to the FFA with. I think that's the clear takeaway. It's been misconstrued that we've severed the relationship with the FFA and gone our own way, that's not true." The information they gather, the AAFC believes, will then enable proper planning for the launch of a NSD division by 2022 to swing into action -- although they emphasised it will ultimately be guided by their members as to when they will be best placed to take part in a newly launched competition. "Unless you work towards it, you don't get there," Galatas said. "You can always think of problems. If you actively pursue something, you can come up with 1000 reasons why it won't work, but you've got to do it. We know there are issues, doesn't mean they're insurmountable."
https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league/story/4163868/a-league-wrap-sydney-fcs-biggest-threats-trevor-morgans-vision-plans-for-a-second-division?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true It’s exactly the plan that I had mentioned a while back, as getting on the front foot and providing a plan to the FFA that requires little work for them to get done themselves is the way forward. Good to see that they are looking outside the box. I’m sure many clubs would love to be involved, but it’s likely many would be expecting a significant part of their plans to be funded by NSD broadcaster and sponsor revenues, but the chances of that being a realistic possibility are next to zero right now. Finding what the expectations are is a good way of identifying the gaps, and determining a viable model.
It’s a great concept but as many in the game have indicated, whether the money is there to feed the appetite is certainly the roadblock. Good luck to them with this process. The ONLY real "roadblocks" are the two slime-buckets that currently occupy the Chairman and CEO positions!!! The sooner that "the Greek" and "the Weasel" are chased out of Football, the sooner the game will be able to move forward again!!! The "gross incompetence" of these two imbeciles is entirely responsible for costing the sport over $120M in less than eight months!!! "The Aussies" that came before The "Greek" and the "Weasel" were of the same imcompetence. Need non-politicial types in these roles. There isn't anybody with the required clout to get into these roles. The movers and shakers are the broadcasters only. I think Lowy Jr and Nikou are both Aussies, however wasn’t Steven counted as ethnic in FFA diversity numbers? Well, we call people like Tim Tszyu, or the likes of Harry Souttar, Apo Giannou, Milos Degenek, Daniel Giorgevski, Rabieh Krayem or Lou Sticca or take your pick as Aussies so I guess Nikou, JJ and Greg O'R are too it must be said.
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