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Quote from today’s game post match “What a story, our first year in the league,” said Berisha.
“We have a dream and we keep dreaming.”
https://www.a-league.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-western-united-elimination-final-reaction-besart-berisha-mark-rudan
The last time we heard stuff like this was WSW first season.
With the way the league is structured, with finals, we could have this EVERY season as new teams come and go into the league.
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scott20won
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+x+x+x+x+x+x“.....When the AAFC announced on Monday that it was set to meet on Aug. 25 to "discuss the criteria for a national second division, with a public statement to be issued after that meeting," and that it was "forging ahead with a view to commencing a NSD in 2022," Australian football was sent into a tizzy. But the organisation, a collective group of National Premier League sides, has explained to ESPN that the coming meeting doesn't indicate a breakaway from the FFA and auger a move to set up a rebel competition but, instead, is designed to lay the groundwork that will enable all stakeholders to put in place a second tier sooner rather than later.
Comparing it to the plans to seek out informal EOIs that FFA CEO that Johnson revealed to the Sydney Morning Herald in March, the AAFC intends to take stock of the interest levels of its clubs in participating in a NSD and their capabilities to do so, as well as check in to see how they've been affected by the pandemic.
"We haven't decided, I want to make clear, that the 'FFA isn't doing this, so we're doing this on our own,'" AAFC president Nick Galatas told ESPN. "We're out there canvassing interest against a couple of [NSD] models to go to the FFA with. I think that's the clear takeaway. It's been misconstrued that we've severed the relationship with the FFA and gone our own way, that's not true." The information they gather, the AAFC believes, will then enable proper planning for the launch of a NSD division by 2022 to swing into action -- although they emphasised it will ultimately be guided by their members as to when they will be best placed to take part in a newly launched competition. "Unless you work towards it, you don't get there," Galatas said. "You can always think of problems. If you actively pursue something, you can come up with 1000 reasons why it won't work, but you've got to do it. We know there are issues, doesn't mean they're insurmountable."
https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league/story/4163868/a-league-wrap-sydney-fcs-biggest-threats-trevor-morgans-vision-plans-for-a-second-division?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true It’s exactly the plan that I had mentioned a while back, as getting on the front foot and providing a plan to the FFA that requires little work for them to get done themselves is the way forward. Good to see that they are looking outside the box. I’m sure many clubs would love to be involved, but it’s likely many would be expecting a significant part of their plans to be funded by NSD broadcaster and sponsor revenues, but the chances of that being a realistic possibility are next to zero right now. Finding what the expectations are is a good way of identifying the gaps, and determining a viable model.
It’s a great concept but as many in the game have indicated, whether the money is there to feed the appetite is certainly the roadblock. Good luck to them with this process. The ONLY real "roadblocks" are the two slime-buckets that currently occupy the Chairman and CEO positions!!! The sooner that "the Greek" and "the Weasel" are chased out of Football, the sooner the game will be able to move forward again!!! The "gross incompetence" of these two imbeciles is entirely responsible for costing the sport over $120M in less than eight months!!! "The Aussies" that came before The "Greek" and the "Weasel" were of the same imcompetence. Need non-politicial types in these roles. There isn't anybody with the required clout to get into these roles. The movers and shakers are the broadcasters only. I think Lowy Jr and Nikou are both Aussies, however wasn’t Steven counted as ethnic in FFA diversity numbers? Well, we call people like Tim Tszyu, or the likes of Harry Souttar, Apo Giannou, Milos Degenek, Daniel Giorgevski, Rabieh Krayem or Lou Sticca or take your pick as Aussies so I guess Nikou, JJ and Greg O'R are too it must be said. It’s a matter of opinion. Fifa eligible and personal feeling is another thing. If a person is born overseas but feels a connection to a parents homeland then I guess it’s fine that they call themselves one or the other. Or both.
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“When he returned to France, it was to Toulouse in the lower regions of the Ligue 1 table. Toivonen stayed there for two seasons before making the odd move to Melbourne Victory in the A-League, across the globe. A different culture and not the same harsh jargon on the Australian pitches. - No, it was quite calm actually. There were many who were friends with each other in that league and there are not that many teams either. It seemed like everyone knew everyone and hung out with everyone. It was very calm, says Ola Toivonen and sums up the adventure abroad: - I succeeded quite well, I think if you look at playing time in the clubs I got. I could have had a little more playing time, but in general I think I succeeded decently.” https://www.fotbollskanalen.se/allsvenskan/kand-fran-netflix--toivonen-om-sunderlands-fall-kandes-som-ordning-/Sums it up really. We have a bloc of protected players that just change clubs and are good mates. How do we we expect to have rivalries and intensity when everybody is an ex teammate with someone else? and no financial punishment for relegation Everyone must notice the amount of joking around on the pitch
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Players from some of the biggest rivals in Europe have been personal friends, which is one thing, but as you say, the tiny pool of teams and players in the A-League and the lowering of the stakes with no relegation definitely has its effect on the end product.
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+xPlayers from some of the biggest rivals in Europe have been personal friends, which is one thing, but as you say, the tiny pool of teams and players in the A-League and the lowering of the stakes with no relegation definitely has its effect on the end product. $50k pay reduction on your salary at stake would leave the chumminess at home. Plus the continual new blood who you don’t know.
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Tomorrow is hopefully a day that will go down in Australian football history.
I am not anticipating that AAFC will release clubs names that reply with a EOI. Even though transparency was stated early on.
Once they name a number people will be very interested.
Not going to happen but I wish AAFC would milk the process after their closing date. Eg. If they have 20 interested clubs release the name of 1 club per week for 20 weeks. And, announce when teams drop out.
Again I am not expecting this as the reason will most likely be to not to get fans hopes up. But it is a real opportunity to get media all over the country over a long period. We are about to enter a new dawn of speculation.
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“@AAFClubs Update: Now over 60 clubs from all states have confirmed attendance at tonight’s meeting on ‘The Championship’ (NSD). Reminder: We will begin at 7pm sharp 🕰” https://mobile.twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1298105047641776128
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'National second division is kicking off with or without FFA'
78 pages and 3 years since this thread started and sweet fuck all has happened. Australian soccer will never get out of this friggin hole we're in. Front page of ftbl tonight another bullshit franchise team proposed.
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+x'National second division is kicking off with or without FFA'
78 pages and 3 years since this thread started and sweet fuck all has happened. Australian soccer will never get out of this friggin hole we're in. Front page of ftbl tonight another bullshit franchise team proposed. and the non believers are happy.
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It all sounds good but it’s the usual spin of stakeholder engagement and working on a structure and model. I do hope they can get it approved and we can have some good news on the horizon, but given current conditions, it’s going to be a hard task.
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The agenda for the meeting and a presentation is available on the AAFC website. For some reason I can'r copy the link.
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25 you say
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Surprising that Sydney United is not listed
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+xSurprising that Sydney United is not listed Good point. Very surprising. They seem well placed to enter the league in terms of stadia and potentially the social club backing.
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+x+xSurprising that Sydney United is not listed Good point. Very surprising. They seem well placed to enter the league in terms of stadia and potentially the social club backing. Also thought Hakoah and Blacktown. This is a slow burn I imagine some clubs will have the ambition but not first season. See how it goes for the others if established. If the “top” teams from NSW entered if wouldn’t be a big ask for SU58 to win div 3 NSW
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Waiting to see how PFA reacts to semi pro. Last guy had a very high ambition to NSD.
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+xWaiting to see how PFA reacts to semi pro. Last guy had a very high ambition to NSD. The reconfiguration of the model to no salary cap should satiate them. Clubs will move to professionalism as it suits them, some naturally faster than others, which will give players more pathways than they have now. Also, The bit about the basis of stadium requirements being similar to FFA cup TV game is an interesting development. That should be attainable to most ambitious NPL clubs.
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Does this group only represent existing clubs or does it include potential consortiums that would be interested in joining a NSD?
The only reason I ask is that I thought the old Team 11 may of thrown their hat in?
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+xDoes this group only represent existing clubs or does it include potential consortiums that would be interested in joining a NSD? The only reason I ask is that I thought the old Team 11 may of thrown their hat in? The Aafc currently only represents NPL clubs.
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+x+xDoes this group only represent existing clubs or does it include potential consortiums that would be interested in joining a NSD? The only reason I ask is that I thought the old Team 11 may of thrown their hat in? The Aafc currently only represents NPL clubs. Though presumably the NSD would be open to new entities. Depending on how future A-League expansion goes I can see Canberra, Hobart, Dandenong, Geelong, Penrith, Townsville, Fremantle and possibly Auckland represented by newly formed clubs. Some could have tie-ins with their federations.
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+xSurprising that Sydney United is not listed Surprised me that 5 of the clubs listed are from the Newcastle area (Broadmeadow Magic, Newcastle Olympic, Lake Macquarie City, Edgeworth Eagles and Maitland Magpies).
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Curious about how they go about setting up a women's NSD. I hope entry into the men's league is not dependant on whether a club can also enter a womens team. More financially viable for clubs to enter one league or the other. Also makes promotion and relegation more straight forward in that the two leagues (men's and women's) will not be aligned in their club makeup.
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+xCurious about how they go about setting up a women's NSD. I hope entry into the men's league is not dependant on whether a club can also enter a womens team. More financially viable for clubs to enter one league or the other. Also makes promotion and relegation more straight forward in that the two leagues (men's and women's) will not be aligned in their club makeup. Unfortunately, a womens NSD might be one bridge too far. But I can see that might be problematic, and might end up putting the kybosh on the whole thing.
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+x+xWaiting to see how PFA reacts to semi pro. Last guy had a very high ambition to NSD. The reconfiguration of the model to no salary cap should satiate them. Clubs will move to professionalism as it suits them, some naturally faster than others, which will give players more pathways than they have now. Also, The bit about the basis of stadium requirements being similar to FFA cup TV game is an interesting development. That should be attainable to most ambitious NPL clubs. Interesting with a reconfiguration to no salary cap the NSD comp is potentially taking on the IAL with ambitious NSD clubs whether new consortium's or refinanced existing NPL and or ex NSL clubs being enabled to out bid IAL clubs for the best players.
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+x+x+xSurprising that Sydney United is not listed Good point. Very surprising. They seem well placed to enter the league in terms of stadia and potentially the social club backing. Also thought Hakoah and Blacktown. This is a slow burn I imagine some clubs will have the ambition but not first season. See how it goes for the others if established. If the “top” teams from NSW entered if wouldn’t be a big ask for SU58 to win div 3 NSW BC is a surprise not on the list but re Hakoah, I feel it could be the Lowy background influence not to be part of it, arrogance and struggling in PL2 at present not that that would matter. Surprised SU58 is missing as mentioned.
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Ellenbrook United and Rockingam City from W.A., not sure if they’re actually interested in joining a NSD though.
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Informative article Johnson with more “do I like it? Yes” but states pretty much - FFA will run NSD and AL won’t be independent until FFA start running a NSD. Also touches on PFA “NPL on planes” and how that sentiment remains
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