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+x+x+xThe problem I have with the structure in NSW is that between the NPL and the districts there is a gap that's similar to the one between A-League and NPL. You go straight from statewide NPL 4 to something like 16 different district comps. And there's no obvious pathway for a club outside the NPL to progress up the pyramid through sporting success: their only way into the NPL is to get a nod and a wink from Football NSW. It also means that regional NSW is largely excluded from higher level competition, when it's a hotbed of player development (viz. Rhyan Grant). How I would structure it is you have two types of clubs: pyramid and grassroots-only. If a club wants to only function for kickabout purposes on a local level that's fine, but any bonafide club meeting minimum criteria that wants to play in the pyramid should be allowed to join. Then you come up with a pyramid structure of divisions enabling all these clubs to compete without things like travel being too onerous for the level they are on. In NSW you could have something like this, with automatic pro-rel in all tiers, and play-offs between the zones determining the promoted clubs: Tiers 1-4: NPL divisions (statewide) Tier 5: Sydney Metro, Illawarra & South Coast, Central Coast, Western NSW (Riverina would be part of the ACT system)Then for Sydney: Tier 6: Sydney West, Sydney East Tier 7: Sydney NW, Sydney SW, Sydney NE, Sydney SE Tier 8: Districts: NW: Nepean, Blacktown, Granville, Hills; SW: Bankstown, SD, Macarthur; NE: Gladesville-Hornsby, NS, Warringah; SE: Canterbury, ES, St. George, Sutherland Shire This is just an example of how it could work, depending on how many clubs want to actually join the state pyramid. It should be, but it won't, because FNSW wants registration money from those areas, but won't provide courses for coaches/referees Orana - based around Orange wanted to be in the A-League and are still interested in the NSD. They would probably be interested in that area as well. FNSW will let them do what they want as long as they get paid their registration fees. See Yoogali SC / Riverina Rhinos and Wagga City Wanderers in Canberra's NPL
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Good on em for getting the funding but gee whizz does it seem like the magic words to get government funding these days is to simply drop the "home of sport" line. Union is getting a "Home of Rugby Union" in Melbourne next to the Matildas at latrobe despite it basically just being a little more than a training facility for the rebels.
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“Five soccer clubs from Melbourne’s north-west are among clubs interested in being part of a national second division [NSD] competition.The Association of Australian Football Clubs held a meeting last week with representatives from 60 clubs, including Hume City, Green Gully, Melbourne Knights, Altona Magic and Caroline Springs George Cross, about forming the new competition.Clubs expressed strong interest in progressing to the next steps of implementation, including forming a partner group which would finalise a design, modelling and criteria to form the basis of consultation with football’s stakeholder groups and to submit to the FFA Board.It’s hoped the new competition will kick off in 2022, with promotion and relegation between the A-League, the new competition and the National Premier League among the goals.Hume City manager Nick Hegarty said his club wanted to reach the highest level that they could.“Obviously there is a long way to go in everything,” he said. “As soon as something opens up and suits the club and has the potential to allow the club to develop and grow, I’m sure we want to be part of it.”Hegarty said there weren’t the boundaries and restrictions to travelling like there once was.“We know we will have a lot of work to do in different areas, but we are in a good position already with our ground and facilities and the culture.“We want to not only push into the second division, but push into the higher division [A-League] as soon as possible.”“We want to be at the forefront of everything good at football, not in just Victoria, in Australia too.”Altona Magic executive board member Marjan Tasevski said his club wanted to give local talented kids the best opportunities.The club board will meet later this week to finalise their position. “We have been part of these meetings,” he said.“We’re very interested at this stage of being part of the next stage. Our club has been ambitious and has been for a while.“We want to represent Hobsons Bay at the highest level in Australia.”Mr Tasevski said they had been putting in the hard work on and off the field and were in the process of finishing a facility upgrade plan.Mr Tasevski said there was no reason why the club couldn’t dream of rising to the A-League competition.“There’s some good people at the club,” he said.“Why can’t we have that dream for the Hobsons Bay area? We’re a work in progress, but we’re prepared to go to that next level.” https://maribyrnonghobsonsbay.starweekly.com.au/sport/support-for-second-tier-competition/
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scott20won
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“West Australia's famed ECU Joondalup has become the first NPL club from the state to abolish junior fees entirely.
Juniors playing at the club's academy will now only have to pay for their football kits, with the club abolishing registration fees to attract a broader talent pool into the state's football pathways.”
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/npl-club-becomes-first-to-entirely-abolish-junior-fees-552808
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+xGood on em for getting the funding but gee whizz does it seem like the magic words to get government funding these days is to simply drop the "home of sport" line. Union is getting a "Home of Rugby Union" in Melbourne next to the Matildas at latrobe despite it basically just being a little more than a training facility for the rebels. yer well I'll take it under Home marketing bs lol...... Cromer Park is a good venue long overdue for an upgrade and I can't recall are they on the NSD list ? 5,000 capacity at present. I'm heading down Friday night for their game vs APIA. Good to see the nth west Melb clubs keen.....momemtum is whats needed.
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Doesn't say how much the kit costs, it could be $150 for the kit or $5000 for the kit.
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This club is Outstanding, hope they make the 2nd tier one day when it 'cough cough' comes in!
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Kamaryn
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+xThis club is Outstanding, hope they make the 2nd tier one day when it 'cough cough' comes in!
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“Seeking to fill this void, the AAFC in late August formed a Partner Group of NPL clubs that would pool their resources in order to finalise the development of league design, modelling and criteria that could be then be used as a reference point in negotiations with other stakeholders. Speaking to ESPN, Galatas said that the AAFC was set to formally announce the makeup of its partner group next Monday and that though he had initially feared a target of 25 participant clubs had been overly optimistic, the organisation was set to easily surpass that target. "The response has been overwhelming," he said. "It's been from every state, big clubs, little clubs, they're all participating in a massive way. "The ambition is there. We've got all these clubs that are putting their resources into the game, that are still there, still strong, ambitious, aspirational and hopeful. "We've got interest from Tasmania, Queensland --- lots of clubs from Queensland -- South Australia. Of course, New South Wales and Victoria, so yeah, nationwide. It's not Victorians and New South Wales alone, this is national. "There's national interest, it's clubs of various descriptions. Obviously, some of the old stalwarts and there's also many of the new up and coming strong clubs. It's a fantastic story of the state of our game at the state level and the aspiration to step up. "They're desperate to show what they can do, it's really good." The AAFC has earmarked presenting their modelling to stakeholders before November, a date Galatas said they were still on track to meet. With the professional game in Australia in a state of flux, the presentation of a strong, detailed and sustainable second-most model by the organisation could serve to generate even greater sentiment in favour of the league's rapid introduction.”
https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league/story/4177354/cba-impasse-has-a-league-clubs-considering-standing-down-players?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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yer good stuff. The more the merrier applying the pressure.
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Many will be joining the process to get insight into the specifics and have their input heard, but it will only be the final proposal Is put forward that we will truly are what the appetite is.
It’s great to hear that there is a wide range of interested parties though, from around the country. Clubs wanting another chance to play in the top tier, through to ones with ambitions to take the next step, it all does provide for an interesting proposition.
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+xyer good stuff. The more the merrier applying the pressure. Still waiting to see how FFA react or try to use AL youth teams in the mix. Interesting times.
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Frustratingly it just looks like another group of clubs getting together saying “we want to do this” - the last time it was being done with the FFA, the time before was AAFC meetings ...
it’s looking more and more like a talking shop now, where everyone agrees someone should do something, but no one actually does anything.
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+xFrustratingly it just looks like another group of clubs getting together saying “we want to do this” - the last time it was being done with the FFA, the time before was AAFC meetings ... it’s looking more and more like a talking shop now, where everyone agrees someone should do something, but no one actually does anything. Stop being so realistic and on the money! Just go with the pretend side of things, the dream, the romance of it all that everyone shares.
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scott20won
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+xFrustratingly it just looks like another group of clubs getting together saying “we want to do this” - the last time it was being done with the FFA, the time before was AAFC meetings ... it’s looking more and more like a talking shop now, where everyone agrees someone should do something, but no one actually does anything. Depends could be AAFC have been working with FFA but decided to step up a gear once the xi principles were released. If FFA has been stalling they are now taking initiative. One way is to present the format to FFA. When they inevitably reject going to FIFA is the next natural step.
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NicCarBel
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+x+xyer good stuff. The more the merrier applying the pressure. Still waiting to see how FFA react or try to use AL youth teams in the mix. Interesting times. Is that a bad idea though? I mean, Bundesliga and La Liga have B-teams in the lower divisions.
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+x+x+xyer good stuff. The more the merrier applying the pressure. Still waiting to see how FFA react or try to use AL youth teams in the mix. Interesting times. Is that a bad idea though? I mean, Bundesliga and La Liga have B-teams in the lower divisions. I don’t mind i even think AL youth teams should be able to play in the cup (but players can only make an appearance for one squad or the other, if the youth make it to round of 32). My point was more towards FFA will most likely use it as a stalling mechanism to “ensure the competition is sustainable”. Just buy more time
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I don't see a problem with A-League reserve sides being allowed to win promotion to an NSD, but initialising it with any in it from the start would be a really bad idea.
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FFS the A League can't even fund itself. How is a NSD ever going to work.
Absolute pie in sky bullshit.
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+xFFS the A League can't even fund itself. How is a NSD ever going to work. Absolute pie in sky bullshit. This stupid thread will be going for another 10 years talking about the exact same shit and there still won't be a NSD...
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+x+xFFS the A League can't even fund itself. How is a NSD ever going to work. Absolute pie in sky bullshit. This stupid thread will be going for another 10 years talking about the exact same shit and there still won't be a NSD... Unfortunately I agree. I have given up hope on football in this country. Best thing we can do is hope our best players go overseas as soon as possible and learn their trade there
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+x+x+xFFS the A League can't even fund itself. How is a NSD ever going to work. Absolute pie in sky bullshit. This stupid thread will be going for another 10 years talking about the exact same shit and there still won't be a NSD... Unfortunately I agree. I have given up hope on football in this country. Best thing we can do is hope our best players go overseas as soon as possible and learn their trade there Ha ha ha. Thank god you’re not tasked with anything too difficult, you seem to lose hope at the first bump in the road.
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+xI don't see a problem with A-League reserve sides being allowed to win promotion to an NSD, but initialising it with any in it from the start would be a really bad idea. Depends on the size and clubs that want to enter. If we take the salary cap example and SFC MV & MC want In I don’t think it would be too bad. I can’t see all clubs wanting to do it. But certainly not a situation where only non AL youth teams are eligible for relegation or anything of the like. Historically hasn’t it only been Jets and Glory that have done well locally? But those days are gone.
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This is very interesting for Townsend https://mobile.twitter.com/davutovic/status/1304326688294068224Not only the digital platform but the comments on NSD Twitter text implies he is speaking on behalf of APFCA Don’t think he would stray too much from them as his own opinion or representing SFC only
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Most impressed he didn’t say 10 years at the same time he doesn’t state a timeframe
Maybe FFA and AL clubs are finding ways to capitalize it
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More spin and corporate speak mixed in there, with a few things thrown in to try and capture attention. Very light on detail. Everyone knows we need a NSD and the provision for P&R but no one has yet found a way to find a way that works financially. It’s hard enough getting to 12 teams, let alone trying to suggest a 32 club 1st and 2nd division that some keep trying to push for on here.
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+xMore spin and corporate speak mixed in there, with a few things thrown in to try and capture attention. Very light on detail. Everyone knows we need a NSD and the provision for P&R but no one has yet found a way to find a way that works financially. It’s hard enough getting to 12 teams, let alone trying to suggest a 32 club 1st and 2nd division that some keep trying to push for on here.
We need it Heart_fan that's the deep reality for our game in Australia especially when it comes to developing players. Let hope they find a way to make it happen because we bloody need it.
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