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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOk. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up? It makes no difference anyway. It's all lies. The Russians hacked the DNC and ran a disinformation campaign and tried to influence the election in 2016. They were also heavily involved in brexit. There's more than enough evidence, independently verified, by multiple agencies and organisations, public and private, that confirm this is what happened. Only someone with TDS would take the word of Russia over the collective investigations of these multiple agencies and organisations. Enzo's best gambit here is a bloke who hasn't worked for the CIA since 1990 who has put out a theory not backed by everyone in his own group on a website that is far from credible. This is what wilful ignorance looks like folks. The point I wanted to make is that with Trump in charge for 3.5 years, he has found nothing. The point is you can't find anything until the files are released. But doesn’t the AG have full access to those records? Yes . They do have access to the files Special counsel’s ( Mueller) investigation “did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” Attorney General William Barr, 2019. The same Barr that released a false summary (initially) and falsely claimed the report exonerated that president? That William Barr?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xOk. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up? It makes no difference anyway. It's all lies. The Russians hacked the DNC and ran a disinformation campaign and tried to influence the election in 2016. They were also heavily involved in brexit. There's more than enough evidence, independently verified, by multiple agencies and organisations, public and private, that confirm this is what happened. Only someone with TDS would take the word of Russia over the collective investigations of these multiple agencies and organisations. Enzo's best gambit here is a bloke who hasn't worked for the CIA since 1990 who has put out a theory not backed by everyone in his own group on a website that is far from credible. This is what wilful ignorance looks like folks. The point I wanted to make is that with Trump in charge for 3.5 years, he has found nothing. The point is you can't find anything until the files are released. But doesn’t the AG have full access to those records? Yes . They do have access to the files Special counsel’s ( Mueller) investigation “did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” Attorney General William Barr, 2019.
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+x+xToday's America if You're Listening is a wild ride lol -PB Yeah great series. The Russian ones are awesome too. Some of this stuff they get up to is amazing. For all the James Bond stuff you hear about there's some rank amateurs running around getting caught and leaving a trail a blind man could follow. Yeah have been listening since they first came out, incredible series. The stuff with the poisoning attempts and how Putin came to power is insane. Today's ep was just downright depressing. -PB
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+xToday's America if You're Listening is a wild ride lol -PB Yeah great series. The Russian ones are awesome too. Some of this stuff they get up to is amazing. For all the James Bond stuff you hear about there's some rank amateurs running around getting caught and leaving a trail a blind man could follow.
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Today's America if You're Listening is a wild ride lol -PB
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+x+x+x+x+xOk. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up? It makes no difference anyway. It's all lies. The Russians hacked the DNC and ran a disinformation campaign and tried to influence the election in 2016. They were also heavily involved in brexit. There's more than enough evidence, independently verified, by multiple agencies and organisations, public and private, that confirm this is what happened. Only someone with TDS would take the word of Russia over the collective investigations of these multiple agencies and organisations. Enzo's best gambit here is a bloke who hasn't worked for the CIA since 1990 who has put out a theory not backed by everyone in his own group on a website that is far from credible. This is what wilful ignorance looks like folks. The point I wanted to make is that with Trump in charge for 3.5 years, he has found nothing. The point is you can't find anything until the files are released. But doesn’t the AG have full access to those records? Yes . They do have access to the files
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+x+x+x+xOk. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up? It makes no difference anyway. It's all lies. The Russians hacked the DNC and ran a disinformation campaign and tried to influence the election in 2016. They were also heavily involved in brexit. There's more than enough evidence, independently verified, by multiple agencies and organisations, public and private, that confirm this is what happened. Only someone with TDS would take the word of Russia over the collective investigations of these multiple agencies and organisations. Enzo's best gambit here is a bloke who hasn't worked for the CIA since 1990 who has put out a theory not backed by everyone in his own group on a website that is far from credible. This is what wilful ignorance looks like folks. The point I wanted to make is that with Trump in charge for 3.5 years, he has found nothing. The point is you can't find anything until the files are released. But doesn’t the AG have full access to those records?
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+x+xOk. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up? It makes no difference anyway. It's all lies. The Russians hacked the DNC and ran a disinformation campaign and tried to influence the election in 2016. They were also heavily involved in brexit. There's more than enough evidence, independently verified, by multiple agencies and organisations, public and private, that confirm this is what happened. Only someone with TDS would take the word of Russia over the collective investigations of these multiple agencies and organisations. Enzo's best gambit here is a bloke who hasn't worked for the CIA since 1990 who has put out a theory not backed by everyone in his own group on a website that is far from credible. This is what wilful ignorance looks like folks. The there is nothing to worry about releasing the files un-redacted. So why the delay? Me thinks you doth protest too much.
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+x+x+xOk. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up? It makes no difference anyway. It's all lies. The Russians hacked the DNC and ran a disinformation campaign and tried to influence the election in 2016. They were also heavily involved in brexit. There's more than enough evidence, independently verified, by multiple agencies and organisations, public and private, that confirm this is what happened. Only someone with TDS would take the word of Russia over the collective investigations of these multiple agencies and organisations. Enzo's best gambit here is a bloke who hasn't worked for the CIA since 1990 who has put out a theory not backed by everyone in his own group on a website that is far from credible. This is what wilful ignorance looks like folks. The point I wanted to make is that with Trump in charge for 3.5 years, he has found nothing. The point is you can't find anything until the files are released.
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The TV president starting to feel the pinch lol. On screen medical exam lol, ranting about Hillary (still). -PB
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+x+xOk. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up? It makes no difference anyway. It's all lies. The Russians hacked the DNC and ran a disinformation campaign and tried to influence the election in 2016. They were also heavily involved in brexit. There's more than enough evidence, independently verified, by multiple agencies and organisations, public and private, that confirm this is what happened. Only someone with TDS would take the word of Russia over the collective investigations of these multiple agencies and organisations. Enzo's best gambit here is a bloke who hasn't worked for the CIA since 1990 who has put out a theory not backed by everyone in his own group on a website that is far from credible. This is what wilful ignorance looks like folks. The point I wanted to make is that with Trump in charge for 3.5 years, he has found nothing.
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+xOk. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up? It makes no difference anyway. It's all lies. The Russians hacked the DNC and ran a disinformation campaign and tried to influence the election in 2016. They were also heavily involved in brexit. There's more than enough evidence, independently verified, by multiple agencies and organisations, public and private, that confirm this is what happened. Only someone with TDS would take the word of Russia over the collective investigations of these multiple agencies and organisations. Enzo's best gambit here is a bloke who hasn't worked for the CIA since 1990 who has put out a theory not backed by everyone in his own group on a website that is far from credible. This is what wilful ignorance looks like folks.
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Ok. I thought Trump was pushing Barr for this investigation material to be released but Barr said it won’t be ready before the Election Day. Or am I mixing things up?
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No shock. The CIA and FBI and the Justice Department expected Clinton to win thinking they would never be held to account. So now they will delay it until after the election and depending on the election outcome it may never come out at all. https://consortiumnews.com/2020/10/07/ray-mcgovern-trump-orders-russiagate-documents-declassified/
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Attorney General Bill Barr has begun telling top Republicans that the Justice Department’s sweeping review into the origins of the Russia investigation will not be released before the election, a senior White House official and a congressional aide briefed on the conversations tell Axios. Republicans had long hoped the report, led by U.S. Attorney John Durham, would be a bombshell containing revelations about what they allege were serious abuses by the Obama administration and intelligence community probing for connections between President Trump and Russia. “This is the nightmare scenario. Essentially, the year and a half of arguably the number one issue for the Republican base is virtually meaningless if this doesn’t happen before the election,” a GOP congressional aide told Axios.
Interesting the lap dog not doing the owners wishes
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+x+xFucking antifa causing a ruccus. -PB The difference is you wont find centre right media playing it down, refusing to report it or blaming the Democrats. Because antifa aren't the problem lol -PB
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+x+x+xThe investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton” - In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
- Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6]
- Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8]
- The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
- The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
- The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]
ALL BULLSHIT Why? And no dont use foxnews and or partisan websites as proof how can possibly find all these people guilty of Russian collusion in the 2016 election when: former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s “plan” to tie the Trump campaign to Russia as a means of distracting the public from her private email server scandal
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+x+xThe investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton” - In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
- Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6]
- Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8]
- The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
- The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
- The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]
ALL BULLSHIT Why? And no dont use foxnews and or partisan websites as proof
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+xThe investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton” - In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
- Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6]
- Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8]
- The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
- The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
- The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]
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+xThis might help dispel the myth of the 'WITCH HUNT/HOAX' narrative. Can you/will you read it though? https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/Here's a taster. [Only someone suffering from TDS (Enzo) could read that report or summary and think there's 'nothing to see here'.] The Special Counsel investigation uncovered extensive criminal activity
The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.
Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.
A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice. Claim 1: Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016
Truth: unadulterated bullshit and a fabrication by Clinton to disrupt Trump's election campaign and steer attention away from her email server scandal.
Former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s “plan” to tie the Trump campaign to Russia as a means of distracting the public from her private email server scandal before the 2016 election, according to newly declassified documents.Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Tuesday declassified Brennan’s handwritten notes along with a CIA memo showing that officials referred the alleged scheme to the FBI for potential investigation.“Today, at the direction of President Trump, I declassified additional documents relevant to ongoing Congressional oversight and investigative activities,” Ratcliffe said in a statement.Brennan’s notes, which were taken after he briefed Obama on the intelligence, cite “a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security service,” which was “alleged approved by Hillary Clinton. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dni-releases-cia-documents-on-hillary-clintons-plan-to-tie-trump-campaign-to-russia-to-distract-from-email-scandal/
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+x+xAnd as for Mueller and his FBI, and the media go and watch "Richard Jewell" on Netflix and the lengths they went to, to frame an innocent security guard for terrorism where the penalty was the electric chair. Scum of the highest order. “If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mueller declared.
https://apnews.com/article/94323cfc164c4759ba6bf84ad2a46203
If Mueller conducted a criminal trial and made that statement publically againys anybody else he would be first laughed at and then sued.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Shocking bias from the moderator. All the questions are lefty talking points.. - coronavirus
- Economic and job numbers
- Climate change
- Roe v wade
- Breonna who cares Taylor
Absolutely shitshow. It took Biden and Harris themselves to raise the issue of Supreme Court packing. How are they leftie talking points? They are the important issues. Health, the economy, the environment, the Supreme Court and racial inequality
They are all Democratic talking points. Supreme court packing? Law and order? Riots and looting? Russian collusion hoax? Cancel culture? Media bias?
Its a stitch up man. You are blind if you can’t see it. Did you look at what DJT listed in his VOTE tweets. They seem to be DJT talking points Yeah dude climate change, Breonna Taylor and Roe v Wade are all DJT taking points. - coronavirus - DJT tweet
- Economic and job numbers - DJT tweet
- Climate change - no DJT tweet
- Roe v wade (Supreme Court) DJT tweet
- Breonna who cares Taylor (Law and Order) DJT tweet
So basically a pro-republican bias!!! Just joking there - but they are the issues the 2020 election is about. Only if you watch CNN, MSNBC and read the Guardian. Not a single question on SCOTUS packing. Like I said it took Harris and Pence to say “let’s talk about the Supreme Court” to raise it. Not a single question on riots and looting. Not a single question on Democrats defunding police departments and increasing crime. Not a single question on Russian collusion hoax. That you suggest Breonna Taylor, Climate Change and Roe v Wade are all superior in relevance and “the issues the 2020 election is about” proves you’re a blind partisan hack. You couldn't be more wrong. I probably align more with the traditional conservatives (maybe not this administration). Topics are not left or right. they are topics. What is relevant is not decided by me or you - but by the American people. They think the most important topic is the economy, then national security, the response to covid, health (Supreme Court relevance here), education, race relations, gun policy (Supreme Court relevance here), crime, abortion (Supreme Court relevance here), immigration and climate change. As far as the result goes I think Pence was the clear winner. However, Harris while appearing competent probably was happy to become better known outside California. Pence tried to bring faith based voters back in the fold and Harris avoided making any major gaffes. I think they both got out of the debate what they wanted. You muppet. The most important topics for Republicans are the economy, immigration, gun rights, violent crime and the supreme court appointments. None of these, other than the economy (framed in a very negative way) got airtime. Climate change, abortion, race relations barely figure. For Democrats the most important issues are climate change, race relations, Coronavirus and healthcare, which were all raised and debated ad nauseum. Lets have another looksie at the topics covered, and whether they favour Democrats or Republicans. 1. coronavirus (democrat)
2. Presidents ages (neutral)
3. Presidential transparency (democrat)
4. economy (neutral)
5. Green New deal (republican)
6. climate change (democrat)
7 china (neutral)
8. American leadership 2020 (neutral)
9. abortion (democrat)
10. pre existing conditions (democrat)
11. race relations (democrat)
12. president refusing peaceful transfer of power (democrat)
I really should refuse to respond but topics 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 are all neutral. 5 and 9 are Republican, 6 and 11 are Democrat. 9 Abortion is neutral since it is important to both sides. 1 If Trump claims his response to Covid-19 is the best it can't be a democrat topic. 3 Presidential transparency is only a democrat topic if the republicans aren't being transparent. 9 Abortion is neutral since it is important to both sides. 10 Pre-existing conditions on Obamacare can't be democrat since Trump and Pence both say they have better health plan and are all about protecting pre-existing conditions, 12 Is just democracy - not democrat. If you think they are democrat talking points then you must believe Trump has failed on Covid-19, is not transparent, is lying about pre-existing conditions and is ready to stage a coup to retain power. Because you ignored certain aspects of my post I am just going to repeat them.
The issues that Republicans rate as most important are:
1. economy
2. immigration
3. gun control
4. violent crime 5. supreme court
They are the TOP 5 issues from a Republican, conservative standpoint.
The issues that Democrats rate as most important are:
1. healthcare
2. coronavirus
3. race inequality
4. climate change
5. economy
Those are the TOP 5 issues from a Democratic, progressive standpoint.
The debate covered and dominated ALL TOP 5 issues that most concerns Democrats, while completely ignoring the issues (other than the economy) that matter most to Republicans. Where were the questions on chaos plaguing Democratic run cities? Where were the questions on Democratics threats to pack the supreme court? Where were the questions on border wall funding? Where were the questions on Democratic policies on gun rights? Where were the questions on defunding police? Where were the questions on Antifa violence and Dems refusal to condemn them? Where were the questions on fake Russia collusion and Democrats spying on electroal campaigns? Arent these all “neutral” topics as well? Why dont they merit attention, while climate change, Breonna Taylor, roe v wade and pre-existing conditions do? The Republicans have said NOTHING in regards to Roe v Wade, in fact Barrett herself said that she would RESPECT SCOTUS precedent, yet the Democrats, with the aide of a biased moderator are running a scare campaign that the Republicans will criminalise abortion.
It’s sad that you cannot see bias when its slapping you in the face. This debate was a fucking stitch up, an attempt to make Democratic talking points, and issues the current President is vulnerable on, front and centre of national consciousness, while deliberately ignoring issues the Democrats are vulnerable on; law and order, court packing, gun rights and immigration. OPEN YOUR EYES.
Issues which are front and centre of national consciousness can’t be partisan issues. Ohhhhhhh ok so all the issues that Democrats just LOVE to talk about, they’re the issues worthy of being front and centre of national consciousness, but all the issues that Republicans like to talk about, they’re not quite as important.
Lol I didn’t say that. Current topics which a country are focused on aren’t partisan issues. If the US were focused on gun rights/control now (which you consider to be a Republican issue), that would be an issue which is front and centre of the national consciousness. But I would say that’s just a current issue, it’s not a partisan point. Ahhh I see it's the timing that's the problem! So climate change is a current issue right now, but the Democrats threatening to stack the supreme court isn't a current issue right now? Breonna Taylor is a current issue right now, but defunding police and skyrocketing crime in Democrat cities isn't a current issue right now? Abortion is a current issue right now... actually no it isn't, the SCOTUS has said nothing in respect to abortion other than she will respect precedent. Supreme Court stacking, police funding, law and order, and abortion (by way of the ACB nomination) are all current issues. These issues were all discussed in the debate. Excuses excuses excuses Wtf? How is that an excuse? I just said they were current topics and discussed during the debate?
In any event, I think Pence won the debate or at the very least, he didn’t lose. Your problem is you are blind partisan hack and you cannot see it. The debate topics were not fair and had an obvious bias that was favourable to the Democratic agenda against Trump. If the topics covered guns. Russia collision, violence, etc then you claim they were favourable to Republicans, at which point I‘d probably go “but they newtral man, they newtral ” and id be the blind partisan hack. But in this case it is you , not I. It’s funny calling someone a partisan hack when we are commenting about a political process from another country. We’re just observers. Pat already made the point before but an agenda is neutral by its very nature. Guns, Russia, violence in protests could have all been discussed. In fact, Harris tried to raise Russia during the debate herself but it didn’t land at all.
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+x+xRead the article peanut. Mueller couldn't have indicted him even if he wanted to which is why he made that statement. More TDS on display. Fuck off im not going to waste my time reading biased Democratic, anti Trump sources. Whenever who was responsible for the fake collusion hoax is held accountable then I’ll read it. Hahahaha. A better example of TDS you'll not find. Hands over ears shouting nananananaa into the air so the facts don't get in the way of your sickness. Also not sure how a summary of facts from the American Constitution Society is a biased source but here are some others. https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Shocking bias from the moderator. All the questions are lefty talking points.. - coronavirus
- Economic and job numbers
- Climate change
- Roe v wade
- Breonna who cares Taylor
Absolutely shitshow. It took Biden and Harris themselves to raise the issue of Supreme Court packing. How are they leftie talking points? They are the important issues. Health, the economy, the environment, the Supreme Court and racial inequality
They are all Democratic talking points. Supreme court packing? Law and order? Riots and looting? Russian collusion hoax? Cancel culture? Media bias?
Its a stitch up man. You are blind if you can’t see it. Did you look at what DJT listed in his VOTE tweets. They seem to be DJT talking points Yeah dude climate change, Breonna Taylor and Roe v Wade are all DJT taking points. - coronavirus - DJT tweet
- Economic and job numbers - DJT tweet
- Climate change - no DJT tweet
- Roe v wade (Supreme Court) DJT tweet
- Breonna who cares Taylor (Law and Order) DJT tweet
So basically a pro-republican bias!!! Just joking there - but they are the issues the 2020 election is about. Only if you watch CNN, MSNBC and read the Guardian. Not a single question on SCOTUS packing. Like I said it took Harris and Pence to say “let’s talk about the Supreme Court” to raise it. Not a single question on riots and looting. Not a single question on Democrats defunding police departments and increasing crime. Not a single question on Russian collusion hoax. That you suggest Breonna Taylor, Climate Change and Roe v Wade are all superior in relevance and “the issues the 2020 election is about” proves you’re a blind partisan hack. You couldn't be more wrong. I probably align more with the traditional conservatives (maybe not this administration). Topics are not left or right. they are topics. What is relevant is not decided by me or you - but by the American people. They think the most important topic is the economy, then national security, the response to covid, health (Supreme Court relevance here), education, race relations, gun policy (Supreme Court relevance here), crime, abortion (Supreme Court relevance here), immigration and climate change. As far as the result goes I think Pence was the clear winner. However, Harris while appearing competent probably was happy to become better known outside California. Pence tried to bring faith based voters back in the fold and Harris avoided making any major gaffes. I think they both got out of the debate what they wanted. You muppet. The most important topics for Republicans are the economy, immigration, gun rights, violent crime and the supreme court appointments. None of these, other than the economy (framed in a very negative way) got airtime. Climate change, abortion, race relations barely figure. For Democrats the most important issues are climate change, race relations, Coronavirus and healthcare, which were all raised and debated ad nauseum. Lets have another looksie at the topics covered, and whether they favour Democrats or Republicans. 1. coronavirus (democrat)
2. Presidents ages (neutral)
3. Presidential transparency (democrat)
4. economy (neutral)
5. Green New deal (republican)
6. climate change (democrat)
7 china (neutral)
8. American leadership 2020 (neutral)
9. abortion (democrat)
10. pre existing conditions (democrat)
11. race relations (democrat)
12. president refusing peaceful transfer of power (democrat)
I really should refuse to respond but topics 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 are all neutral. 5 and 9 are Republican, 6 and 11 are Democrat. 9 Abortion is neutral since it is important to both sides. 1 If Trump claims his response to Covid-19 is the best it can't be a democrat topic. 3 Presidential transparency is only a democrat topic if the republicans aren't being transparent. 9 Abortion is neutral since it is important to both sides. 10 Pre-existing conditions on Obamacare can't be democrat since Trump and Pence both say they have better health plan and are all about protecting pre-existing conditions, 12 Is just democracy - not democrat. If you think they are democrat talking points then you must believe Trump has failed on Covid-19, is not transparent, is lying about pre-existing conditions and is ready to stage a coup to retain power. Because you ignored certain aspects of my post I am just going to repeat them.
The issues that Republicans rate as most important are:
1. economy
2. immigration
3. gun control
4. violent crime 5. supreme court
They are the TOP 5 issues from a Republican, conservative standpoint.
The issues that Democrats rate as most important are:
1. healthcare
2. coronavirus
3. race inequality
4. climate change
5. economy
Those are the TOP 5 issues from a Democratic, progressive standpoint.
The debate covered and dominated ALL TOP 5 issues that most concerns Democrats, while completely ignoring the issues (other than the economy) that matter most to Republicans. Where were the questions on chaos plaguing Democratic run cities? Where were the questions on Democratics threats to pack the supreme court? Where were the questions on border wall funding? Where were the questions on Democratic policies on gun rights? Where were the questions on defunding police? Where were the questions on Antifa violence and Dems refusal to condemn them? Where were the questions on fake Russia collusion and Democrats spying on electroal campaigns? Arent these all “neutral” topics as well? Why dont they merit attention, while climate change, Breonna Taylor, roe v wade and pre-existing conditions do? The Republicans have said NOTHING in regards to Roe v Wade, in fact Barrett herself said that she would RESPECT SCOTUS precedent, yet the Democrats, with the aide of a biased moderator are running a scare campaign that the Republicans will criminalise abortion.
It’s sad that you cannot see bias when its slapping you in the face. This debate was a fucking stitch up, an attempt to make Democratic talking points, and issues the current President is vulnerable on, front and centre of national consciousness, while deliberately ignoring issues the Democrats are vulnerable on; law and order, court packing, gun rights and immigration. OPEN YOUR EYES.
Issues which are front and centre of national consciousness can’t be partisan issues. Ohhhhhhh ok so all the issues that Democrats just LOVE to talk about, they’re the issues worthy of being front and centre of national consciousness, but all the issues that Republicans like to talk about, they’re not quite as important.
Lol I didn’t say that. Current topics which a country are focused on aren’t partisan issues. If the US were focused on gun rights/control now (which you consider to be a Republican issue), that would be an issue which is front and centre of the national consciousness. But I would say that’s just a current issue, it’s not a partisan point. Ahhh I see it's the timing that's the problem! So climate change is a current issue right now, but the Democrats threatening to stack the supreme court isn't a current issue right now? Breonna Taylor is a current issue right now, but defunding police and skyrocketing crime in Democrat cities isn't a current issue right now? Abortion is a current issue right now... actually no it isn't, the SCOTUS has said nothing in respect to abortion other than she will respect precedent. Supreme Court stacking, police funding, law and order, and abortion (by way of the ACB nomination) are all current issues. These issues were all discussed in the debate. Excuses excuses excuses Wtf? How is that an excuse? I just said they were current topics and discussed during the debate?
In any event, I think Pence won the debate or at the very least, he didn’t lose. Your problem is you are blind partisan hack and you cannot see it. The debate topics were not fair and had an obvious bias that was favourable to the Democratic agenda against Trump. If the topics covered guns. Russia collision, violence, etc then you claim they were favourable to Republicans, at which point I‘d probably go “but they newtral man, they newtral ” and id be the blind partisan hack. But in this case it is you , not I.
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+xFucking antifa causing a ruccus. -PB The difference is you wont find centre right media playing it down, refusing to report it or blaming the Democrats.
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The plot gets deeper as it was part of a wider plan to start a civil war...
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Have to ask Rus if Trump was so innocent why did he (a) refuse to testify in person and (b) block witnesses? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear right? Answer me those 2 questions and you might scrape back some credibility.
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