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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Even if we assumed masks provided 99% efficacy, given enough exposure to covid contaminated air a person will get eventually get sick. But the best estimates for cloth masks are about 60% efficacy, so even if you avoid it once or twice, if are you out and about and participating in society then you’ll get it. The evidence is not at all substantiated that cloth masks provide much protection from people infected with covid. A crappy cloth mask that grandma nitted from her old used underwear is better than nothing, but this idea that masks are the secret elixir thats going to stop covid is wrong and stupid. Look at most of Europe right now, they are going through a major second wave, despite most countries having wearing mandates. Lockdowns work but are economically destructive, social distancing works but are sometimes impractical, and masks only provide at best, some protection. They do NOT stop Covid. Should we force mask wearing? Possibly on public transport, crowded indoor public spaces, hospitals and nursing homes, when it is practical and safe to do so, but ultimately it is up to individuals to heed the warnings and manage their own level of risk. I believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy.
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+x+xK*nts cooked  -PB It's not just him tweeting. He has other people as well. Too many cooks spoil the covfefe.
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+x+xAh no the FBI have denied its linked to Russia and how can they claim it’s been “widely discredited” when the mainstream press have refused to even acknowledge acknowledge it? Even the Biden campaign has not refuted the allegation. It seems they are fucking scared and have gone into full tilt black ops mode to suppress the story, with the aid of the media and tech firms. It would seem that on the balance of the evidence, then evidence being a laptop that was handed into the FBI, containing emails from Hunter Biden and Ukraine energy officials, directly referencing a meeting that took place between them and Joe Biden, and other emails containing payments to Joe Biden, that would strongly infer that Joe Biden is a corrupt motherfucker. Why is the American press not reporting this? Why are social media platforms suppressing this news and banning users? Why is this not on the agenda for the 3rd debate? Donald Trump was correct when he described the media as the “enemy of the people”. NY Post won't give up any of the material to other media outlets lol You are such a dumb motherfucker it's hilarious. -PB Hahaha since when have media outlets EVER been required to give up their material, sources? You’re brainwashed PB.
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+x+x+xAh no the FBI have denied its linked to Russia and how can they claim it’s been “widely discredited” when the mainstream press have refused to even acknowledge acknowledge it? Even the Biden campaign has not refuted the allegation. It seems they are fucking scared and have gone into full tilt black ops mode to suppress the story, with the aid of the media and tech firms. It would seem that on the balance of the evidence, then evidence being a laptop that was handed into the FBI, containing emails from Hunter Biden and Ukraine energy officials, directly referencing a meeting that took place between them and Joe Biden, and other emails containing payments to Joe Biden, that would strongly infer that Joe Biden is a corrupt motherfucker. Why is the American press not reporting this? Why are social media platforms suppressing this news and banning users? Why is this not on the agenda for the 3rd debate? Donald Trump was correct when he described the media as the “enemy of the people”. NY Post won't give up any of the material to other media outlets lol You are such a dumb motherfucker it's hilarious. -PB Hahaha since when have media outlets EVER been required to give up their material, sources? You’re brainwashed PB. They don't, but you said why aren't other outlets covering it, and that's the reason why, they don't have a copy of the emails. -PB
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+x+x+x+xAh no the FBI have denied its linked to Russia and how can they claim it’s been “widely discredited” when the mainstream press have refused to even acknowledge acknowledge it? Even the Biden campaign has not refuted the allegation. It seems they are fucking scared and have gone into full tilt black ops mode to suppress the story, with the aid of the media and tech firms. It would seem that on the balance of the evidence, then evidence being a laptop that was handed into the FBI, containing emails from Hunter Biden and Ukraine energy officials, directly referencing a meeting that took place between them and Joe Biden, and other emails containing payments to Joe Biden, that would strongly infer that Joe Biden is a corrupt motherfucker. Why is the American press not reporting this? Why are social media platforms suppressing this news and banning users? Why is this not on the agenda for the 3rd debate? Donald Trump was correct when he described the media as the “enemy of the people”. NY Post won't give up any of the material to other media outlets lol You are such a dumb motherfucker it's hilarious. -PB Hahaha since when have media outlets EVER been required to give up their material, sources? You’re brainwashed PB. They don't, but you said why aren't other outlets covering it, and that's the reason why, they don't have a copy of the emails. -PB Hmmm, they didnt have a copy of DT’s taxes, but they had no issue reporting that. You’re brainwashed PB.
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+x+x+x+x+xAh no the FBI have denied its linked to Russia and how can they claim it’s been “widely discredited” when the mainstream press have refused to even acknowledge acknowledge it? Even the Biden campaign has not refuted the allegation. It seems they are fucking scared and have gone into full tilt black ops mode to suppress the story, with the aid of the media and tech firms. It would seem that on the balance of the evidence, then evidence being a laptop that was handed into the FBI, containing emails from Hunter Biden and Ukraine energy officials, directly referencing a meeting that took place between them and Joe Biden, and other emails containing payments to Joe Biden, that would strongly infer that Joe Biden is a corrupt motherfucker. Why is the American press not reporting this? Why are social media platforms suppressing this news and banning users? Why is this not on the agenda for the 3rd debate? Donald Trump was correct when he described the media as the “enemy of the people”. NY Post won't give up any of the material to other media outlets lol You are such a dumb motherfucker it's hilarious. -PB Hahaha since when have media outlets EVER been required to give up their material, sources? You’re brainwashed PB. They don't, but you said why aren't other outlets covering it, and that's the reason why, they don't have a copy of the emails. -PB Hmmm, they didnt have a copy of DT’s taxes, but they had no issue reporting that. You’re brainwashed PB. 🤣🤣🤣 irony is lost on you.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Even if we assumed masks provided 99% efficacy, given enough exposure to covid contaminated air a person will get eventually get sick. But the best estimates for cloth masks are about 60% efficacy, so even if you avoid it once or twice, if are you out and about and participating in society then you’ll get it. The evidence is not at all substantiated that cloth masks provide much protection from people infected with covid. A crappy cloth mask that grandma nitted from her old used underwear is better than nothing, but this idea that masks are the secret elixir thats going to stop covid is wrong and stupid. Look at most of Europe right now, they are going through a major second wave, despite most countries having wearing mandates. Lockdowns work but are economically destructive, social distancing works but are sometimes impractical, and masks only provide at best, some protection. They do NOT stop Covid. Should we force mask wearing? Possibly on public transport, crowded indoor public spaces, hospitals and nursing homes, when it is practical and safe to do so, but ultimately it is up to individuals to heed the warnings and manage their own level of risk. I believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. You claimed masks "don't do shit for COVID". I directed you to a number of peer reviewed studies to show you are wrong. Even the article you posted had retracted its statement. You were wrong. Admit it. All you can ever do is try to grasp at straws like "look at sweden" (despite experts not knowing yet if immunity is possible, some people are catching it twice) whilst trying to pigeon-hole every event or issue into the left vs right divide when the reality is things are not that simple
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Even if we assumed masks provided 99% efficacy, given enough exposure to covid contaminated air a person will get eventually get sick. But the best estimates for cloth masks are about 60% efficacy, so even if you avoid it once or twice, if are you out and about and participating in society then you’ll get it. The evidence is not at all substantiated that cloth masks provide much protection from people infected with covid. A crappy cloth mask that grandma nitted from her old used underwear is better than nothing, but this idea that masks are the secret elixir thats going to stop covid is wrong and stupid. Look at most of Europe right now, they are going through a major second wave, despite most countries having wearing mandates. Lockdowns work but are economically destructive, social distancing works but are sometimes impractical, and masks only provide at best, some protection. They do NOT stop Covid. Should we force mask wearing? Possibly on public transport, crowded indoor public spaces, hospitals and nursing homes, when it is practical and safe to do so, but ultimately it is up to individuals to heed the warnings and manage their own level of risk. I believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. You claimed masks "don't do shit for COVID". I directed you to a number of peer reviewed studies to show you are wrong. Even the article you posted had retracted its statement. You were wrong. Admit it. All you can ever do is try to grasp at straws like "look at sweden" (despite experts not knowing yet if immunity is possible, some people are catching it twice) whilst trying to pigeon-hole every event or issue into the left vs right divide when the reality is things are not that simple I might have been speaking rhetorically on masks by saying they don’t do shit, but my point was that they are not the secret antidote many think they are, and their benefits have confounded by the regent surge of infections across Europe deposits mandates enforcing their use. It’s also worth noting and that just because something is “peer reviewed” doesn’t mean it has scientific consensus, and many scientists and epidemiologists dispute the effectiveness of masks. Even if something works in a laboratory under controlled conditions, doesn’t mean those same results will be replicated in uncontrolled volatile environment.
It’s also interesting that you akin Sweden’s success in managing the virus to “grasping at straws”. Why? Sweden is the ONLY countries in the world to reduce deaths from Covid from hundreds per day to almost zero without smashing its economy, forcing masks or spending billions on rescue packages. Clearly there’s something to be leaned here, unless you are ideologically wedded to the idea of compulsory mask wearing, then you will dismiss or downplay the results as “grasping at straws”.
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I'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. This is it. If at best, it slows it down, then we should all do our bit to slow it down. Give our medical resources as much capacity as we can.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Even if we assumed masks provided 99% efficacy, given enough exposure to covid contaminated air a person will get eventually get sick. But the best estimates for cloth masks are about 60% efficacy, so even if you avoid it once or twice, if are you out and about and participating in society then you’ll get it. The evidence is not at all substantiated that cloth masks provide much protection from people infected with covid. A crappy cloth mask that grandma nitted from her old used underwear is better than nothing, but this idea that masks are the secret elixir thats going to stop covid is wrong and stupid. Look at most of Europe right now, they are going through a major second wave, despite most countries having wearing mandates. Lockdowns work but are economically destructive, social distancing works but are sometimes impractical, and masks only provide at best, some protection. They do NOT stop Covid. Should we force mask wearing? Possibly on public transport, crowded indoor public spaces, hospitals and nursing homes, when it is practical and safe to do so, but ultimately it is up to individuals to heed the warnings and manage their own level of risk. I believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. You claimed masks "don't do shit for COVID". I directed you to a number of peer reviewed studies to show you are wrong. Even the article you posted had retracted its statement. You were wrong. Admit it. All you can ever do is try to grasp at straws like "look at sweden" (despite experts not knowing yet if immunity is possible, some people are catching it twice) whilst trying to pigeon-hole every event or issue into the left vs right divide when the reality is things are not that simple I might have been speaking rhetorically on masks by saying they don’t do shit, but my point was that they are not the secret antidote many think they are, and their benefits have confounded by the regent surge of infections across Europe deposits mandates enforcing their use. It’s also worth noting and that just because something is “peer reviewed” doesn’t mean it has scientific consensus, and many scientists and epidemiologists dispute the effectiveness of masks. Even if something works in a laboratory under controlled conditions, doesn’t mean those same results will be replicated in uncontrolled volatile environment.
It’s also interesting that you akin Sweden’s success in managing the virus to “grasping at straws”. Why? Sweden is the ONLY countries in the world to reduce deaths from Covid from hundreds per day to almost zero without smashing its economy, forcing masks or spending billions on rescue packages. Clearly there’s something to be leaned here, unless you are ideologically wedded to the idea of compulsory mask wearing, then you will dismiss or downplay the results as “grasping at straws”.
Sweden is also moving away from that plan and moving to a lockdown strategy: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/coronavirus-sweden-hopes-voluntary-lockdowns-will-tackle-hotspots/news-story/444c9500f9125c5a6fb778e218ea3d81
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+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
2. While Sweden’s economy might have contracted 1.3% more than Australia, they didn’t need to spend $300 billion to artificially prop it up. Also those results was achieved during the peak of the 5,000 deaths, and fared not much worse than Australia who recoded only dozes of deaths during the equivalent period.
3. Those countries that did lock down hard and mandate mask wearing are now experience surging coronavirus infections, only delaying inevitable deaths however leaving a permanent scar on the economy.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Even if we assumed masks provided 99% efficacy, given enough exposure to covid contaminated air a person will get eventually get sick. But the best estimates for cloth masks are about 60% efficacy, so even if you avoid it once or twice, if are you out and about and participating in society then you’ll get it. The evidence is not at all substantiated that cloth masks provide much protection from people infected with covid. A crappy cloth mask that grandma nitted from her old used underwear is better than nothing, but this idea that masks are the secret elixir thats going to stop covid is wrong and stupid. Look at most of Europe right now, they are going through a major second wave, despite most countries having wearing mandates. Lockdowns work but are economically destructive, social distancing works but are sometimes impractical, and masks only provide at best, some protection. They do NOT stop Covid. Should we force mask wearing? Possibly on public transport, crowded indoor public spaces, hospitals and nursing homes, when it is practical and safe to do so, but ultimately it is up to individuals to heed the warnings and manage their own level of risk. I believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. You claimed masks "don't do shit for COVID". I directed you to a number of peer reviewed studies to show you are wrong. Even the article you posted had retracted its statement. You were wrong. Admit it. All you can ever do is try to grasp at straws like "look at sweden" (despite experts not knowing yet if immunity is possible, some people are catching it twice) whilst trying to pigeon-hole every event or issue into the left vs right divide when the reality is things are not that simple I might have been speaking rhetorically on masks by saying they don’t do shit, but my point was that they are not the secret antidote many think they are, and their benefits have confounded by the regent surge of infections across Europe deposits mandates enforcing their use. It’s also worth noting and that just because something is “peer reviewed” doesn’t mean it has scientific consensus, and many scientists and epidemiologists dispute the effectiveness of masks. Even if something works in a laboratory under controlled conditions, doesn’t mean those same results will be replicated in uncontrolled volatile environment.
It’s also interesting that you akin Sweden’s success in managing the virus to “grasping at straws”. Why? Sweden is the ONLY countries in the world to reduce deaths from Covid from hundreds per day to almost zero without smashing its economy, forcing masks or spending billions on rescue packages. Clearly there’s something to be leaned here, unless you are ideologically wedded to the idea of compulsory mask wearing, then you will dismiss or downplay the results as “grasping at straws”.
Sweden is also moving away from that plan and moving to a lockdown strategy: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/coronavirus-sweden-hopes-voluntary-lockdowns-will-tackle-hotspots/news-story/444c9500f9125c5a6fb778e218ea3d81 The lockdowns are voluntary and localised to the covid hotspots.
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+x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
2. While Sweden’s economy might have contracted 1.3% more than Australia, they didn’t need to spend $300 billion to artificially prop it up. Also those results was achieved during the peak of the 5,000 deaths, and fared not much worse than Australia who recoded only dozes of deaths during the equivalent period.
3. Those countries that did lock down hard and mandate mask wearing are now experience surging coronavirus infections, only delaying inevitable deaths however leaving a permanent scar on the economy.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
Sweden also has a socialist government and the population has a high degree of trust in said Government and as a whole do what their told. -PB
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+x+x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
2. While Sweden’s economy might have contracted 1.3% more than Australia, they didn’t need to spend $300 billion to artificially prop it up. Also those results was achieved during the peak of the 5,000 deaths, and fared not much worse than Australia who recoded only dozes of deaths during the equivalent period.
3. Those countries that did lock down hard and mandate mask wearing are now experience surging coronavirus infections, only delaying inevitable deaths however leaving a permanent scar on the economy.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
Sweden also has a socialist government and the population has a high degree of trust in said Government and as a whole do what their told. -PB They also have corporate tax rates of 16% and balanced budgets. Let’s lower business taxes and reduce expenditure to cure COVID.
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+x+x+x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
2. While Sweden’s economy might have contracted 1.3% more than Australia, they didn’t need to spend $300 billion to artificially prop it up. Also those results was achieved during the peak of the 5,000 deaths, and fared not much worse than Australia who recoded only dozes of deaths during the equivalent period.
3. Those countries that did lock down hard and mandate mask wearing are now experience surging coronavirus infections, only delaying inevitable deaths however leaving a permanent scar on the economy.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
Sweden also has a socialist government and the population has a high degree of trust in said Government and as a whole do what their told. -PB They also have corporate tax rates of 16% and balanced budgets. Let’s lower business taxes and reduce expenditure to cure COVID. So is Sweden comparable or not? If not, please don’t cite it as a valid path for us.
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+x+x+x+x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
2. While Sweden’s economy might have contracted 1.3% more than Australia, they didn’t need to spend $300 billion to artificially prop it up. Also those results was achieved during the peak of the 5,000 deaths, and fared not much worse than Australia who recoded only dozes of deaths during the equivalent period.
3. Those countries that did lock down hard and mandate mask wearing are now experience surging coronavirus infections, only delaying inevitable deaths however leaving a permanent scar on the economy.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
Sweden also has a socialist government and the population has a high degree of trust in said Government and as a whole do what their told. -PB They also have corporate tax rates of 16% and balanced budgets. Let’s lower business taxes and reduce expenditure to cure COVID. So is Sweden comparable or not? If not, please don’t cite it as a valid path for us. Face palm
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+xI believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. +x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
On one hand, you're saying Sweden has the best strategy but one the other, Australia has done better because of our unique circumstances. So should we adopt Sweden's strategy or not given that we (and NZ) have handled it best?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.htmlAlso in there this. (Not that Rus will read any of it.) In a misleading claim amplified by surrogates like his son Donald Trump Jr. and his lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president has said the younger Mr. Biden “walked out of China” with $1.5 billion after accompanying his father on an official trip in 2013. Numerous news articles and fact-checking sites have explained that the huge figure was actually a fund-raising goal set by an investment firm in which Hunter Biden obtained a 10 percent stake after his father left office. The firm did receive financial backing from a large state-controlled bank, but it is not clear the fund-raising target was ever met, and there is no evidence Hunter Biden received a large personal payout.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-we-know-about-hunter-bidens-dealings-in-china-11570181403https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/trumps-claims-about-hunter-biden-in-china/
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+x+xI believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. +x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
On one hand, you're saying Sweden has the best strategy but one the other, Australia has done better because of our unique circumstances. So should we adopt Sweden's strategy or not given that we (and NZ) have handled it best? We have, with the exception of Vic, already adopted Sweden’s strategy. Our economies are open and we are managing outbreaks through contact tracing, social distancing and optional mask wearing.
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+x+x+xI believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. +x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
On one hand, you're saying Sweden has the best strategy but one the other, Australia has done better because of our unique circumstances. So should we adopt Sweden's strategy or not given that we (and NZ) have handled it best? We have, with the exception of Vic, already adopted Sweden’s strategy. Our economies are open and we are managing outbreaks through contact tracing, social distancing and optional mask wearing.
I don't know about that, considering Sweden considers its approach to be a "herd immunity" approach whereas we are going for "suppression"/"elimination".
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+x+x+x+xI believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. +x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
On one hand, you're saying Sweden has the best strategy but one the other, Australia has done better because of our unique circumstances. So should we adopt Sweden's strategy or not given that we (and NZ) have handled it best? We have, with the exception of Vic, already adopted Sweden’s strategy. Our economies are open and we are managing outbreaks through contact tracing, social distancing and optional mask wearing.
I don't know about that, considering Sweden considers its approach to be a "herd immunity" approach whereas we are going for "suppression"/"elimination". Sweden’s approach wasn’t herd immunity
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I think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆 As in the rate of car deaths. Not everyone wearing a seatbelt will survive just because they're wearing a seatbelt but it's better than not wearing them. But you knew that and are simply distracting attention away from your awful shitshow of an analogy.
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+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆 As in the rate of car deaths. Not everyone wearing a seatbelt will survive just because they're wearing a seatbelt but it's better than not wearing them. But you knew that and are simply distracting attention away from your awful shitshow of an analogy.
But comparing car deaths with a global pandemic isn’t a shit show of analogy? You’re too funny! 😆
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Anyone defending the US's response is a moron.A dog whistle for gobshites so it seems. -PB
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+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research?
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