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+x+xI think @fc was on the money with who it was.
Someone who used to post in this thread but has taken the opposite stance to ridiculous lengths Can't remember. Who was it? paulc?
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+xI think half of Adelaide is in isolation right now. I work on a very busy inner suburbs street and there is not a single car parked and I'm the only person in my building. It's really eerie. The isolation rules in SA are so bizarre now. If you are a close contact in a house with 1 bathroom you isolate for 14 days. If you get covid you isolate for 10 days. I understand that you can contract covid from the close contact late in the isolation period but this is NOT living with covid. We all got vaccinated, we knew cases would start when the borders opened, we have had 2 years to plan and NOW we are crippling the state worse than ever. The streets are quieter than when we were in lockdown Again, THIS IS NOT LIVING WITH COVID Not having a go at you because it's a perfectly naturally response but it's interesting to see Qld'ers, WA people and South Australians struggling with getting people tested and people whinging about access to tests and lockdowns and all the rest of it when they were sitting there all smug and high and mighty looking down on NSW and Vic. Particularly galling because NSW were receiving over 80% of all returning Australians. Am really enjoying Qld's struggles in particular. Also (judging by your post) all those restrictions that we had for months which were nonsensical and academic to those states without covid have now had a short smack upside the head with a reality check about how dumb some of them are.
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Muz
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So obviously Covid is running rampant now in NSW. 36000+ cases and that's only the people who can manage to get tested. (Probably triple that.) Getting pings (as well as all my family) on the services app every day now for possible exposures but it says monitor symptoms and don't get tested. The eldest son this morning is feeling ordinary, takes a rapid test. Positive. Fortunately got the Moderna yesterday as my booster (no adverse reactions as yet) but it probably takes a few days to stimulate the immune system so fingers crossed there. Anyway locked and loaded now and will just have to sit it out. To be honest, providing I get a mild version, I'd rather just get it and get it out of the way. There's absolutely no stopping it anymore.
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I think half of Adelaide is in isolation right now.
I work on a very busy inner suburbs street and there is not a single car parked and I'm the only person in my building.
It's really eerie.
The isolation rules in SA are so bizarre now. If you are a close contact in a house with 1 bathroom you isolate for 14 days.
If you get covid you isolate for 10 days.
I understand that you can contract covid from the close contact late in the isolation period but this is NOT living with covid.
We all got vaccinated, we knew cases would start when the borders opened, we have had 2 years to plan and NOW we are crippling the state worse than ever.
The streets are quieter than when we were in lockdown
Again, THIS IS NOT LIVING WITH COVID
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+xI think @fc was on the money with who it was.
Someone who used to post in this thread but has taken the opposite stance to ridiculous lengths Can't remember. Who was it?
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I think @fc was on the money with who it was.
Someone who used to post in this thread but has taken the opposite stance to ridiculous lengths
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
Health issues
Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess PMnPMPMn experts in the field exist to interpret the stats for us amateurs that get their information from Facebook coming up with wild theories isn't helpful You can drill down into stats can't you? Why are you so against that? What wild theory did I come up with? Considering the statement you made about facts, which I didn't deny, I simply asked if there was info about the breakdown of those stats. Then simply stated I'd assume fit healthy young unvaxxed adults will probably not be in ICU. This does not contradict your statement about the fact. Both statements can be true. No? young unvaxxed are less likely to end up in ICU as older unvaxxed..however they're more likely to infect older unvaxxed You have literally not made one football post. I like how after getting called out for being a multi he puts the Sydney crest as his profile pic as if that makes him less conspicuous 😂😂
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
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Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess PMnPMPMn experts in the field exist to interpret the stats for us amateurs that get their information from Facebook coming up with wild theories isn't helpful You can drill down into stats can't you? Why are you so against that? What wild theory did I come up with? Considering the statement you made about facts, which I didn't deny, I simply asked if there was info about the breakdown of those stats. Then simply stated I'd assume fit healthy young unvaxxed adults will probably not be in ICU. This does not contradict your statement about the fact. Both statements can be true. No? young unvaxxed are less likely to end up in ICU as older unvaxxed..however they're more likely to infect older unvaxxed You have literally not made one football post. Multi of course but who. A mod?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
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Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess PMnPMPMn experts in the field exist to interpret the stats for us amateurs that get their information from Facebook coming up with wild theories isn't helpful You can drill down into stats can't you? Why are you so against that? What wild theory did I come up with? Considering the statement you made about facts, which I didn't deny, I simply asked if there was info about the breakdown of those stats. Then simply stated I'd assume fit healthy young unvaxxed adults will probably not be in ICU. This does not contradict your statement about the fact. Both statements can be true. No? young unvaxxed are less likely to end up in ICU as older unvaxxed..however they're more likely to infect older unvaxxed Source?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
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Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess PMnPMPMn experts in the field exist to interpret the stats for us amateurs that get their information from Facebook coming up with wild theories isn't helpful You can drill down into stats can't you? Why are you so against that? What wild theory did I come up with? Considering the statement you made about facts, which I didn't deny, I simply asked if there was info about the breakdown of those stats. Then simply stated I'd assume fit healthy young unvaxxed adults will probably not be in ICU. This does not contradict your statement about the fact. Both statements can be true. No? young unvaxxed are less likely to end up in ICU as older unvaxxed..however they're more likely to infect older unvaxxed You have literally not made one football post.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
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Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess PMnPMPMn experts in the field exist to interpret the stats for us amateurs that get their information from Facebook coming up with wild theories isn't helpful You can drill down into stats can't you? Why are you so against that? What wild theory did I come up with? Considering the statement you made about facts, which I didn't deny, I simply asked if there was info about the breakdown of those stats. Then simply stated I'd assume fit healthy young unvaxxed adults will probably not be in ICU. This does not contradict your statement about the fact. Both statements can be true. No? young unvaxxed are less likely to end up in ICU as older unvaxxed..however they're more likely to infect older unvaxxed
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+xGot my Moderna today.at 11am. 4 months following the 2 AZ's I got. No issues thus far. So good to see Qld numbers exploding and them struggling to keep up like NSW and VIC have been doing for months. Not so smug now are we Anna? Qld has the highest percentage of unvaccinated
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Got my Moderna today.at 11am. 4 months following the 2 AZ's I got. No issues thus far. So good to see Qld numbers exploding and them struggling to keep up like NSW and VIC have been doing for months. Not so smug now are we Anna?
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+x+x+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
Health issues
Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess PMnPMPMn experts in the field exist to interpret the stats for us amateurs that get their information from Facebook coming up with wild theories isn't helpful You can drill down into stats can't you? Why are you so against that? What wild theory did I come up with? Considering the statement you made about facts, which I didn't deny, I simply asked if there was info about the breakdown of those stats. Then simply stated I'd assume fit healthy young unvaxxed adults will probably not be in ICU. This does not contradict your statement about the fact. Both statements can be true. No?
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+x+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
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Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess experts in the field exist to interpret the stats for us amateurs that get their information from Facebook coming up with wild theories isn't helpful
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+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
Health issues
Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess
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+x+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
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Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm No. Have hospitals given us further information.? Something wrong with trying to understand the stats more specifically Is there information out there that fit healthy young unvaxxed adults under 30 are in ICu?? Didn't think so. Therefore I can hazard a guess
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+x+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
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Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
official stats provided by reputable hospitals vs your guesses hmm
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+xthe facts are in now you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia Can we drill down into that information too? Age Weight Comorbitities
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Not sure if I believe the half arses stats from government considering those hospitalisation numbers were there for other issues and not focus
I'd hazard a guess the number of fit healthy people under 30 that are in ICU would be zero.
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the facts are in now
you're more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaxxed in Australia
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI know of at least five people who have covid (positive on a rapid test), but not bothering to have a proper test as too hard and waiting time too long. They just going to ride it out.
All the LNPs plan to drive official stats down. I don't know if that's neccasarily a bad thing if they only have mild to moderate symptoms and are self isolating once getting the result. It means they are putting zero strain on the system with testing, contact tracing and all the follow ups etc. Testing is not putting strain on the hospital system. It’s different resources. People having covid should be tested, it was the moronic politicians that demanded them before flights.
Look, I don’t have a problem with kits if they were supplied by govt, not when it’s a massive war like profiteering scam for liberal party donors.
I read an article that there were 1000 health workers in isolation. Out of action at a critical time 200 were infected, 800 fell under the mathematical direction to isolate. Those 800 people also now have to line up for miles waiting hours for testing while car load after car load of healthy people follow the same checklist Not only but but there will be supply issues with rapid tests just like toilet paper. And the cost involved means there will be invested interest in forcing tests There is no sense trying to test and trace around 35000 daily cases simply because thats what we decided to do in 2020. Australia needs an adaptable model Testing kits should be sent to front line workers and aged care facilities so we can set up a rapid testing structure in the places it matters most. Every testing kit in the hands of the general public checking to see if they are still OK after buying a bag of oranges is a waste of resources The 1000 health workers were given an exemption and ordered back to work on 31 December by the Health Minister. I think the government is currently paying around $85 for a PCR test. If they switched to paying for RAT, it would be much cheaper (they cost around $2 retail in Europe) and we can manufacture them in Australia. The NSW Government has also committed to delivering 50m RATs for free by the end of January like the UK model, not what was decided in 2020 - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/31/covid-rapid-antigen-tests-suppliers-deny-pressing-pm-to-abandon-commitment-to-provide-free-kits Here are also NSW guidelines on when to use a RAT (it's not for buying a bag of oranges) - https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/testing/how-testing-works/rapid-antigen-self-tests-for-communityHealth workers should probably get direct access to the more reliable PCR as well (they do get expedited results). My oranges example wasn't valid due to the food shortages in NSW as a result of too many people being forced into isolation at the same time. A lesson people should have learnt from Shepparton 25k cases, and 4-5 close contacts each, thats 100k-125k new people being isolated for a week every day. Its not the hospital system thats going to break first (did read an article today saying 50% of hospitalisations in NSW were people there for a different reason, but with Covid). Dont forget also, there is no definition about people who have previously had Covid. So the likelihood is people are going to have to isolate 4 or 5 times As I said, testing and tracing is going to destroy Australia. 50m kits might sound like a lot but thats on 5 per person in NSW for a 12 month requirement Imagine if those kits were sent to aged care homes and nobody is allowed to enter without taking a rapid test in the reception area. I'm not saying I have thought the idea through enough to be raising it as a legit idea, but the gist of it is the success of our Covid fight is going to come down to how our scarce resources are allocated. Who gets the testing, who should be hospitalised, who should be locked away for 7 days The general public response should be self isolation if sick, and management of how they conduct themselves. Everything else is just a waste of resources and an unnecessary burden on society we've been having federally funded PCR tests at $85 each, yet we can't afford a $2 test? I find it interesting that you're position is that the general public response should be self isolation if sick. But there is currently no way to find out if your sick or not. You still need resources for people to find out if they are sick or not. Point 1: The difference is 125,000 mandatory tests a day for NSW alone, and on current figures. There is no part of it that is practical or realistic. The system has broken Point 2: Its about treating this like any other flu. How do people know when they have the flu? They monitor their health and use their vocal structure to emit sounds that convey a message that they are unwell. People and work places manage their own sickness and there are strategies in place (like paid sick leave). Who pays for 4 - 5 weeks absence for every worker because they fit a mathematical definition? I'm not saying people can't voluntarily get tested but its about distribution of testing kits so that the demand meets the distribution. Its also about directive. If the health directive is for the general public to manage their own, then demand will shift as the public attitude does Opening up after high vaccination numbers meant throwing away the old toolset and simply managing the front line. Look at how we compare to similar countries: . Canada 25k cases 37 deaths . Australia 47k cases 4 deaths. Greece 50k cases 63 deaths . Turkey 54k cases 137 deaths We knew a high vaccination rate was going to make a substantial difference. But yeah, lets look at other countries around the world and see what restrictions they have in place that we could be following Canada funnily enough offers free RAT tests.
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No wonder you can’t reason with facts with JS, ffs 6000 years old 😂
If he believes in sky fairies then no wonder he doesn’t believe in science.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI know of at least five people who have covid (positive on a rapid test), but not bothering to have a proper test as too hard and waiting time too long. They just going to ride it out.
All the LNPs plan to drive official stats down. I don't know if that's neccasarily a bad thing if they only have mild to moderate symptoms and are self isolating once getting the result. It means they are putting zero strain on the system with testing, contact tracing and all the follow ups etc. Testing is not putting strain on the hospital system. It’s different resources. People having covid should be tested, it was the moronic politicians that demanded them before flights.
Look, I don’t have a problem with kits if they were supplied by govt, not when it’s a massive war like profiteering scam for liberal party donors.
I read an article that there were 1000 health workers in isolation. Out of action at a critical time 200 were infected, 800 fell under the mathematical direction to isolate. Those 800 people also now have to line up for miles waiting hours for testing while car load after car load of healthy people follow the same checklist Not only but but there will be supply issues with rapid tests just like toilet paper. And the cost involved means there will be invested interest in forcing tests There is no sense trying to test and trace around 35000 daily cases simply because thats what we decided to do in 2020. Australia needs an adaptable model Testing kits should be sent to front line workers and aged care facilities so we can set up a rapid testing structure in the places it matters most. Every testing kit in the hands of the general public checking to see if they are still OK after buying a bag of oranges is a waste of resources The 1000 health workers were given an exemption and ordered back to work on 31 December by the Health Minister. I think the government is currently paying around $85 for a PCR test. If they switched to paying for RAT, it would be much cheaper (they cost around $2 retail in Europe) and we can manufacture them in Australia. The NSW Government has also committed to delivering 50m RATs for free by the end of January like the UK model, not what was decided in 2020 - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/31/covid-rapid-antigen-tests-suppliers-deny-pressing-pm-to-abandon-commitment-to-provide-free-kits Here are also NSW guidelines on when to use a RAT (it's not for buying a bag of oranges) - https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/testing/how-testing-works/rapid-antigen-self-tests-for-communityHealth workers should probably get direct access to the more reliable PCR as well (they do get expedited results). My oranges example wasn't valid due to the food shortages in NSW as a result of too many people being forced into isolation at the same time. A lesson people should have learnt from Shepparton 25k cases, and 4-5 close contacts each, thats 100k-125k new people being isolated for a week every day. Its not the hospital system thats going to break first (did read an article today saying 50% of hospitalisations in NSW were people there for a different reason, but with Covid). Dont forget also, there is no definition about people who have previously had Covid. So the likelihood is people are going to have to isolate 4 or 5 times As I said, testing and tracing is going to destroy Australia. 50m kits might sound like a lot but thats on 5 per person in NSW for a 12 month requirement Imagine if those kits were sent to aged care homes and nobody is allowed to enter without taking a rapid test in the reception area. I'm not saying I have thought the idea through enough to be raising it as a legit idea, but the gist of it is the success of our Covid fight is going to come down to how our scarce resources are allocated. Who gets the testing, who should be hospitalised, who should be locked away for 7 days The general public response should be self isolation if sick, and management of how they conduct themselves. Everything else is just a waste of resources and an unnecessary burden on society we've been having federally funded PCR tests at $85 each, yet we can't afford a $2 test? I find it interesting that you're position is that the general public response should be self isolation if sick. But there is currently no way to find out if your sick or not. You still need resources for people to find out if they are sick or not. Point 1: The difference is 125,000 mandatory tests a day for NSW alone, and on current figures. There is no part of it that is practical or realistic. The system has broken Point 2: Its about treating this like any other flu. How do people know when they have the flu? They monitor their health and use their vocal structure to emit sounds that convey a message that they are unwell. People and work places manage their own sickness and there are strategies in place (like paid sick leave). Who pays for 4 - 5 weeks absence for every worker because they fit a mathematical definition? I'm not saying people can't voluntarily get tested but its about distribution of testing kits so that the demand meets the distribution. Its also about directive. If the health directive is for the general public to manage their own, then demand will shift as the public attitude does Opening up after high vaccination numbers meant throwing away the old toolset and simply managing the front line. Look at how we compare to similar countries: . Canada 25k cases 37 deaths . Australia 47k cases 4 deaths. Greece 50k cases 63 deaths . Turkey 54k cases 137 deaths We knew a high vaccination rate was going to make a substantial difference. But yeah, lets look at other countries around the world and see what restrictions they have in place that we could be following
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI trust the experts and scientific consensus more than random conspiracy theorists on the internet And nothing I can say to you is going to change 6,000 years of consistent human nature of the bulk of the masses. This isn't the first time you have mentioned humans and "6,000 years"... I can't say I'm surprised This and the garbage you have dragged from the archives sheds a whole lot of light on this clown. It's a fair bet, based on that, that he's a young earth creationist and, seeing most of the adherents are religious zealots, a flat earther too. Calling him a massive cockhead was way too generous. See my above post. Caught red handed again. Not that it will change a thing. Saw yours. Keep up the good work. BTW. Jesus Christ, no pun intended, that religion thread is wild. (And I only tipped my toe in slightly.) He's a full on nutjob. Had a peek. No thanks.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI know of at least five people who have covid (positive on a rapid test), but not bothering to have a proper test as too hard and waiting time too long. They just going to ride it out.
All the LNPs plan to drive official stats down. I don't know if that's neccasarily a bad thing if they only have mild to moderate symptoms and are self isolating once getting the result. It means they are putting zero strain on the system with testing, contact tracing and all the follow ups etc. Testing is not putting strain on the hospital system. It’s different resources. People having covid should be tested, it was the moronic politicians that demanded them before flights.
Look, I don’t have a problem with kits if they were supplied by govt, not when it’s a massive war like profiteering scam for liberal party donors.
I read an article that there were 1000 health workers in isolation. Out of action at a critical time 200 were infected, 800 fell under the mathematical direction to isolate. Those 800 people also now have to line up for miles waiting hours for testing while car load after car load of healthy people follow the same checklist Not only but but there will be supply issues with rapid tests just like toilet paper. And the cost involved means there will be invested interest in forcing tests There is no sense trying to test and trace around 35000 daily cases simply because thats what we decided to do in 2020. Australia needs an adaptable model Testing kits should be sent to front line workers and aged care facilities so we can set up a rapid testing structure in the places it matters most. Every testing kit in the hands of the general public checking to see if they are still OK after buying a bag of oranges is a waste of resources The 1000 health workers were given an exemption and ordered back to work on 31 December by the Health Minister. I think the government is currently paying around $85 for a PCR test. If they switched to paying for RAT, it would be much cheaper (they cost around $2 retail in Europe) and we can manufacture them in Australia. The NSW Government has also committed to delivering 50m RATs for free by the end of January like the UK model, not what was decided in 2020 - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/31/covid-rapid-antigen-tests-suppliers-deny-pressing-pm-to-abandon-commitment-to-provide-free-kits Here are also NSW guidelines on when to use a RAT (it's not for buying a bag of oranges) - https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/testing/how-testing-works/rapid-antigen-self-tests-for-communityHealth workers should probably get direct access to the more reliable PCR as well (they do get expedited results). My oranges example wasn't valid due to the food shortages in NSW as a result of too many people being forced into isolation at the same time. A lesson people should have learnt from Shepparton 25k cases, and 4-5 close contacts each, thats 100k-125k new people being isolated for a week every day. Its not the hospital system thats going to break first (did read an article today saying 50% of hospitalisations in NSW were people there for a different reason, but with Covid). Dont forget also, there is no definition about people who have previously had Covid. So the likelihood is people are going to have to isolate 4 or 5 times As I said, testing and tracing is going to destroy Australia. 50m kits might sound like a lot but thats on 5 per person in NSW for a 12 month requirement Imagine if those kits were sent to aged care homes and nobody is allowed to enter without taking a rapid test in the reception area. I'm not saying I have thought the idea through enough to be raising it as a legit idea, but the gist of it is the success of our Covid fight is going to come down to how our scarce resources are allocated. Who gets the testing, who should be hospitalised, who should be locked away for 7 days The general public response should be self isolation if sick, and management of how they conduct themselves. Everything else is just a waste of resources and an unnecessary burden on society We're having supply chain issues. Woolies CEO was talking about that already. So yes, both the hospital and supply chain are under stress. Who also said that the 50m kits was meant to least 12 months? Again, we've been having federally funded PCR tests at $85 each, yet we can't afford a $2 test? No one is ruling out RATs being given to aged care homes. They should probably be used in those setting (per NSW Guidelines). The idea that RATs are a scare resource isn't correct. They are cheap and can be manufactured locally. I find it interesting that you're position is that the general public response should be self isolation if sick. But there is currently no way to find out if your sick or not. You still need resources for people to find out if they are sick or not.
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+x+x+xEurope have shown the best way forward is to ensure everybody is vaccinated. the LNP let is rip policy is destroying the healthcare system. I thought we are the most vaccinated country on the planet at about 90-95% double jabbed?? Which major European country has more than that?? Apart from your Gibraltar's
Portugal is among highest vaxed countries. Do a Google search for -- Covid Portugal -- and they're also having a record-breaking spike. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1063830104/portugal-covid-vaccines-omicron-variantDo a Google search for - Covid Israel. Even with their 3rd boosters, Israel is now starting another major spike. At what point do the brain-controlled masses start to realise, the vaccines are not stopping Covid. If your last line of defence is that, even if the vaccines don't stop Covid, but at least minimises the effects -- you need to realise that the safer alternative of Ivermectin does that too. Far safer too. Except that at $3 a pop, it's not going to make Pharma any billions of profits. You see the chart where the Pfizer vaccine goes negative 100% effectiveness after 4 months. Whereas Ivermectin has an efficacy of 68% (if taken early) from peer reviewed papers. https://ivmmeta.com/And yet, a medicine like Ivermectin -- which has been used for humans for decades, with minimal side effects, and won a Nobel Prize, and is on the W.H.O. list of essential medicines for humans -- when the Media yanks the dog chain around your neck, telling you Ivermectin is "horse paste", telling you don't go there -- you believe it. its stopping people ending up in ICU in Australia the majority of people in ICU are unvaxxed
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119358?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_articleWe analyzed the neutralization efficiency of the BNT162b2 vaccine against wild-type SARS-CoV-2 and the beta, delta, and omicron variants of concern. Limitations of the study include the small cohort tested and the fact that the test was only an in vitro assay. Nevertheless, we found low neutralization efficiency with two doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine against the wild-type virus and the delta variant, assessed more than 5 months after receipt of the second dose, and no neutralization efficiency against the omicron variant. The importance of a third vaccine dose is clear, owing to the higher neutralization efficiency (by a factor of 100) against the omicron variant after the third dose than after the second dose; however, even with three vaccine doses, neutralization against the omicron variant was lower (by a factor of 4) than that against the delta variant. The durability of the effect of the third dose of vaccine against Covid-19 is yet to be determined.
From Israel. Published 29th December.
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I guess I'm posting this again since the liar elected to ignore it: +xI just can't let John Smith get away with this. The above links he is posting claim that a study published in The Lancet show that vaccines are destroying T-Cells. The actual study is, in fact, observing the reduced efficiency of vaccine-induced antibodies when confronted with variants such as delta. It doesn't even mention T-Cells: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01290-3/fulltextIf you read the vomit that John Smith has provided links to (daily expose article), you can see the exact point where they have inserted their bullshit into quotes from the actual study (in bold):
'The study revealed that only 50 percent of the people who received a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine had a quantifiable neutralizing antibody response against the alpha variant of Covid-19. Additionally, this number decreased to just 32 percent and 25 percent for the delta and beta variants, respectively.Among all variants, fewer antibodies were generated the older the individual receiving the vaccine and those with weaker immune systems. Considering the vaccine’s ability to destroy T cells and weaken the immune system even further, getting vaccinated could cause damage to many people, especially those who have compromised immune systems. There was no correlation observed for gender or body mass index. Researchers are looking to conduct further studies to check the capabilities of other vaccines, beginning with the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.' Caught out agin you fuckwit.
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+x+xEurope have shown the best way forward is to ensure everybody is vaccinated. the LNP let is rip policy is destroying the healthcare system. I thought we are the most vaccinated country on the planet at about 90-95% double jabbed?? Which major European country has more than that?? Apart from your Gibraltar's
Portugal is among highest vaxed countries. Do a Google search for -- Covid Portugal -- and they're also having a record-breaking spike. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1063830104/portugal-covid-vaccines-omicron-variantDo a Google search for - Covid Israel. Even with their 3rd boosters, Israel is now starting another major spike. At what point do the brain-controlled masses start to realise, the vaccines are not stopping Covid. If your last line of defence is that, even if the vaccines don't stop Covid, but at least minimises the effects -- you need to realise that the safer alternative of Ivermectin does that too. Far safer too. Except that at $3 a pop, it's not going to make Pharma any billions of profits. You see the chart where the Pfizer vaccine goes negative 100% effectiveness after 4 months. Whereas Ivermectin has an efficacy of 68% (if taken early) from peer reviewed papers. https://ivmmeta.com/And yet, a medicine like Ivermectin -- which has been used for humans for decades, with minimal side effects, and won a Nobel Prize, and is on the W.H.O. list of essential medicines for humans -- when the Media yanks the dog chain around your neck, telling you Ivermectin is "horse paste", telling you don't go there -- you believe it.
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+x+x+x+x+xI trust the experts and scientific consensus more than random conspiracy theorists on the internet And nothing I can say to you is going to change 6,000 years of consistent human nature of the bulk of the masses. This isn't the first time you have mentioned humans and "6,000 years"... I can't say I'm surprised This and the garbage you have dragged from the archives sheds a whole lot of light on this clown. It's a fair bet, based on that, that he's a young earth creationist and, seeing most of the adherents are religious zealots, a flat earther too. Calling him a massive cockhead was way too generous. See my above post. Caught red handed again. Not that it will change a thing. Saw yours. Keep up the good work. BTW. Jesus Christ, no pun intended, that religion thread is wild. (And I only tipped my toe in slightly.) He's a full on nutjob.
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