The judges ruled that there was no fraud or interference?

I'm glad you think of me like that <3

-PB

nice attempt at misdirection..but no cigar.

Next time Labor and the Greens loses (another) election I won't hear  a peep from you or your sycophants about Palmer. Murdoch, Sky and Jones blaming them for the loss?  Is that right?  Not a peep?  Because No fraud.  No interference.

Enzo in the blue.

Here comes tweedle-dumber to the rescue of tweedle-dumb !

Fucking lol big time.

I love when people try to push this narrative as some big global "cabal" conspiracy.  Certain actors have  always controlled information and influenced the populace. This is true from the beginning of civilisation to today. Arguably it's becoming less of a constant rule through the advent of social media.

But you think you know the "truth"? All you've done is perceive the world through a different flow of information. Congratulations Q.

Enzo: "People's perceptions have been altered by a global cabal. Anyone who voted for biden did so because of a lack of free will and ability to think for oneself'

Also enzo: uses the term "leftard" because others on craig Kelly's Facebook page do too.

Fucking LOL big time.

I love it when some numpty is given literally a direct quote from a reputable source about the extraordinary efforts that went into changing the election outcome, and all he can do is spin to so as to allow him perceive the world through a different flow of information. Congratulations Clouseou.

It is sensationalist. It's not news that a large portion of corporate interests wanted Trump out. But what they did wasn't illegal. They just used their influence to rally a greater turnout for the Dems. The same happens for the GOP as well.

1. The quote is fabrication.

2.Only Criag Kelly I know was an AFL player.

Is it?  Affer the host literally says say what I've posted

Anyway Great but don't whinge when it happens to your team here..

Well, we have compulsory voting, so the system is different. 

Lol.  Next you'll be whinging at people who hand out how to vote cards at the gates of schools because they're trying to change an election outcome.  

Also Lol.  The MSM is now a 'reputable' source.  (Which it is.)  After we've been told dozens of times by the resident rocket scientist that they can't be trusted.  

It's only illegal because it happened to Trump.  When Palmer did it, even when blatantly lying, that's fine.

FWIW Lying outright like Palmer did about death duties should be illegal.  Also Labour running the mediscare campaign.  Just as bad.  Someone should have gone to jail for that. 

 Its not necessary to have outright voter fraud to subvert a free and fair election.  Not even the Left are *that* stupid.

This is about a a conspiracy-that's what is - of very wealthy individuals using their wealth and power to control what facts and campaigning messages the electorate are *allowed* to know about candidates running for elections.  This isn't limited to the usual promotion of a preferred candidate and denigration of the other by a single media outlet. This was a co-ordinated, multi-faceted campaign to subvert a free and fair election by powerful and very wealthy individuals.  It was literally a "cabal".

And they succeeded.  

And you wonder why people believe the election was "stolen".

Well no. 

 If i linked to Fox which also ran the story, you would have dismissed it as Murdoch. Rag...same with the NYT article earlier-there were other sources I could have quoted 

 That was deliberate.

Its YOUR preferred media.  You can' t wiggle out of it, dismissing it as right wing nut jobs media.

I'm not dismissing it at all.  Like I said if that's your hot take out of that whole massive article you really are grasping at straws.

As for 'subverting' I take it when the Republican party raises billions of dollars from businesses and supporters to try and re-elect  Trump they're not trying to subvert an election.  But if they're raising money for Biden it's part of this 'big steal' thing you're banging on about.

Presumably businesses were contributing money and support to Biden because they believed it was in their best interests to do so.  Are you saying the free market doesn't know what it wants?  Are you saying businesses were going against their self interests? 

Interesting young grasshopper.  Do go on.

If the simplistic raising of money is all you took out from that article then your derangement is worse than I thought and democracy is more in peril than you know.

Just remember, next time these same forces might conspire to control the information against your preferred candidate. 

FWIW Trump was and is a very polarizing personality, but would have won again if only he got out of his own way, in spite of the orchestrated campaign against him. 

 In spite of all this  the Democrats LOST seats in the house and carry the slimmest majority in the senate.  They have no mandate to do anything.  In 2 years time-if history is a guide- they will lose the lower House and the Republicans just need to flip two seats in the Senate.

Then what?  Executive orders which can be deleted with a stroke of a pen two years later?  Haha.

You could make the same argument about Christian evangelists,  Murdoch media and lobby groups like the NRA.  All extremely powerful groups with a huge reach.

How can you not see that?

Woah woah woah.  Let's not introduce logic into this.  He's had a hard couple of weeks since Biden's election wasn't overturned. 

Exactly. The video which I shared uses the Koch brothers as the example on the right. 

Right now Enzo's position is, no matter who wins, their win will be illegitimate/stolen because they were backed by whatever powerful lobby group and that lobby group managed to convince more voters. I agree with you that money in politics is bad and the US have an extreme version of that, but that is their system when you taken the conservative Court's view that "companies are people too, and giving money is a person exercising their political free speech". 

How can you? 

They don't spend $billions and are not capable "working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information"

 The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative "chipped in" $300 million USD

The collusion to corrupt a democratic election is on a scale never seen before in history.

These individuals are not "lobby groups".  I've already alluded to that.  This was a corrupt group of individuals spending their $billions to control law-making and  the "flow of information".  They were deciding what laws were made and what people could know- and not know- to gain the election outcome they wanted.

In the video the male host literally says:  "Powerful people many dominated by people on the centre left interests but many on the centre right worked in order to exert their $billions in influence to try and get the election to go the way they wanted".

How can you ignore that?

And then says " I'm not saying this is right or wrong"..

Of course its fucking wrong!

Its hilarious how you've all gone from from ad hom attacks, to denying that it happened at all, to accepting it, to justifying it, to then saying "but you do it too".

LOL

I am baffled.  Seems that 'democracy' is not Enzo's preferred method of electing leaders.

Notwithstanding Enzo's incomprehensible wafflings the US is in need of serious campaign reform.  The money blown on the election just gone was mind boggling.

Wondering what Enzo thinks of this;
https://www.salon.com/2021/02/04/how-one-billionaire-family-bankrolled-election-lies-white-nationalism--and-the-capitol-riot/

How one billionaire family bankrolled election lies, white nationalism — and the Capitol riot

Also this.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/12/trump-fraud-claims-fundraising-436188

 

Murdoch doesn't "steer media coverage"?

Christian lobbyists and the NRA dont "spend $billions and are not capable "working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information"? 

Are you okay in the head enzo? 

That has already been established.  

Salon is an American politically progressive/liberal news and opinion website

So garbage

Of course he Murdoch doesn't steer media coverage.  They may express a centre right opinion, but they don't "steer"  or control; the what information is covered or not, LET ALONE CHANGE LAWS.

Google, Zuckerberg and Dorsey do that.

There's a BIG difference in the context of this election if your peanut can comprehend the difference.

The NRA spent $1,5 million in 2020.  Suckerberg alone spent $300 million USD.  The sCALE AND BREADTH OF CORRPTION OF THIS ELECTION IS STAGGERING

AND YET with a straight face YOU defend the worst example of buying an election in human history shows how demented and warped your sense of reality is.

Sounds a bit like what you did following the Capitol riot.

Nobody is denying anything. All we are saying is it is ingrained into the American political system. Should it change? Sure. 

You're the only one denying the reality of the situation, which is both sides are equally guilty.

What's garbage is your dismissal of any facts that don't suit your narrative.  Do you see anyone here denying money was spent trying to influence the outcome of an election?

Nope.

Cut my legs off and call me stumpy.  People spend money to try and influence things in their favour.  This is news why?

You seem to be angry AND TALKING IN ALL CAPS because your bloke lost and the lefty, pinko, commo, transgender SJW's are in gub'ment instead of your bloke.




Still no civil war.