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+xIn better-ish news for NSW besides the reopening/cases and what I have been following is the number of hospitalisation has dropped a fair bit. Today - 766 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 155 people in intensive care, 74 of whom require ventilation. 1st October - 1,055 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 210 people in intensive care, 104 of whom require ventilation 15th September - 1,241 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 234 people in intensive care, 108 of whom require ventilation Still alot of people dying - 15th Sep - 254 deaths total. Today - 500 deaths total - More than doubled in less than a month. We're trending down too. 360 new cases with 88k tests (which is above average for NSW).
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+x‘Byron Bay-type lifestylists’ blamed for low vax rates in inner-city Melbourne
By Chloe Booker and Cara Waters
October 8, 2021 — 7.15pm
Alternative medicine devotees and people shunning certain vaccine brands in suburbs such as Brunswick, Collingwood and St Kilda could be driving down vaccination rates in Melbourne’s inner-city.
The five Victorian local government areas with the lowest first dose vaccination rates are Melbourne (68.3), Yarra (72.5), Darebin (73.5), Port Phillip (74.5) and Moreland (75.2), according to data released by the federal government this week.
Statewide, 83.6 per cent of Victorians have had their first dose, while 54 per cent have had their second.
Dr Daryl Cheng, the medical lead at the Melbourne Vaccine Education Centre, said while access, low education, casual work and language barriers were behind earlier low vaccine rates in Melbourne’s outer suburbs, other issues were often at play in well-heeled inner-city areas.
“In the inner-north, in Fitzroy and Carlton, and [other hotspots] ... there are clusters of people who have an alternative belief system or are into alternative therapies, which may mean they have a very different approach to vaccination than the general population,” he said.
Yarra councillor Stephen Jolly said low vaccination rates in his municipality could not be blamed on poor people and migrants as it was overwhelmingly wealthy and educated compared to outer regions.
“City of Melbourne is last, Yarra is second last and other leftie, greenie, progressive heartlands of the professional middle class are near the bottom too,” he said.
“My theory is we have a relatively large cohort of Byron Bay-type lifestylists into alternate medicine who think they know better than the health professionals.
“They go to the gym every day, they have their decaf almond latte every morning, and they think they’re immune.”
Inner-city mayors defended their low vaccination rates, arguing that it was due to young populations.
“Three-quarters of our residents are under 40. That means they only became eligible for Pfizer in August,” Melbourne lord mayor Sally Capp said.
Melbourne is the youngest municipality in the state, while Yarra is seventh, Moreland is 10th, Darebin is 15th and Port Phillip is 16th.
The CBD (50-55 per cent), Carlton (40-45 per cent) and North Melbourne (50-55 per cent) had the lowest first-dose rates in the City of Melbourne, which is also the last in the state for double vaccination (38.4).
Cr Capp said the 2019 data was skewed due to the high numbers of international students who had left Melbourne since the start of the pandemic.
Demographer Glenn Capuano, from research firm Informed Decisions, said this was probably true and that Victoria’s total population had fallen by 43,000, with much of it coming from the inner-city.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/byron-bay-type-lifestylists-blamed-for-low-vax-rates-in-inner-city-melbourne-20211005-p58xbx.htmlMuch more in the article, I just pasted a few highlights here. There ya go. Official excuse is age.
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+xGood to see the poorer LGAs in Victoria like Greater Dandenong, Hume and Whyndam that I was worried about a few weeks ago overtaking the yuppie LGAs like Yarra, Port Phillip and Stonnington and getting into the high 80 and 90 plus percentages for first jabs, although City of Melbourne is still weirdly lagging at 70%, and I'm not entirely sure why. Same deal in Sydney with LGAs like Campbelltown, Liverpool and Blacktown thankfully all in the 90s overtaking LGAs like North Sydney, Randwick and Bayside while City of Sydney is at 72%, lower than Byron Shire which is at 75%. My knowledge of geography and the often obscure LGA names make it hard for me to judge the equity of the rollout in the rest of the country, but here's the stats: https://www.health.gov.au/resources/collections/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-lga I reckon the CBD percentages are lower because people don't actually live there (could be overseas). They might be registered there, but are staying in other places, hence the slight drop. Also likely that a younger population living in the Cities.
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+x+xhaha CH, the perfect storm airport rooftop bar, ciggies/beers what more could you wish for, stopping @ INSTANBUL for the LFC memories :) I'm sure as MSC mentions you'll have a smorgasboard of cigs to pick from lol Jealous as ! mind you your far more game than me travelling already but good luck to you ! Enjoy the EPL with the northern chill BUT its all worth it having done it before, I'm sure you've checked on Anfield fixtures you lucky man whilst I'm watching at the usual ungodly hours. Curious on your passport outcome, keep us informed. By the way was the flight pricing acceptable ? and how many on the flight did they say ? They didn't say how many people on the flight, got my flights return for $3.7k. I haven't looked into Anfield but I already see the fixture v Chelsea at the bridge is on the 3rd while I'm still over there so who knows? I'll be in the south of the UK during my stay so logistically it'd make more sense to look at the LFC away games than the ones at Anfield. $3.7k is pretty good considering. Also getting up to Liverpool from the south isn't too bad. Can make it a day trip.
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In better-ish news for NSW besides the reopening/cases and what I have been following is the number of hospitalisation has dropped a fair bit.
Today - 766 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 155 people in intensive care, 74 of whom require ventilation.
1st October - 1,055 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 210 people in intensive care, 104 of whom require ventilation
15th September - 1,241 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 234 people in intensive care, 108 of whom require ventilation
Still alot of people dying - 15th Sep - 254 deaths total. Today - 500 deaths total - More than doubled in less than a month.
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‘Byron Bay-type lifestylists’ blamed for low vax rates in inner-city Melbourne
By Chloe Booker and Cara Waters
October 8, 2021 — 7.15pm
Alternative medicine devotees and people shunning certain vaccine brands in suburbs such as Brunswick, Collingwood and St Kilda could be driving down vaccination rates in Melbourne’s inner-city.
The five Victorian local government areas with the lowest first dose vaccination rates are Melbourne (68.3), Yarra (72.5), Darebin (73.5), Port Phillip (74.5) and Moreland (75.2), according to data released by the federal government this week.
Statewide, 83.6 per cent of Victorians have had their first dose, while 54 per cent have had their second.
Dr Daryl Cheng, the medical lead at the Melbourne Vaccine Education Centre, said while access, low education, casual work and language barriers were behind earlier low vaccine rates in Melbourne’s outer suburbs, other issues were often at play in well-heeled inner-city areas.
“In the inner-north, in Fitzroy and Carlton, and [other hotspots] ... there are clusters of people who have an alternative belief system or are into alternative therapies, which may mean they have a very different approach to vaccination than the general population,” he said.
Yarra councillor Stephen Jolly said low vaccination rates in his municipality could not be blamed on poor people and migrants as it was overwhelmingly wealthy and educated compared to outer regions.
“City of Melbourne is last, Yarra is second last and other leftie, greenie, progressive heartlands of the professional middle class are near the bottom too,” he said.
“My theory is we have a relatively large cohort of Byron Bay-type lifestylists into alternate medicine who think they know better than the health professionals.
“They go to the gym every day, they have their decaf almond latte every morning, and they think they’re immune.”
Inner-city mayors defended their low vaccination rates, arguing that it was due to young populations.
“Three-quarters of our residents are under 40. That means they only became eligible for Pfizer in August,” Melbourne lord mayor Sally Capp said.
Melbourne is the youngest municipality in the state, while Yarra is seventh, Moreland is 10th, Darebin is 15th and Port Phillip is 16th.
The CBD (50-55 per cent), Carlton (40-45 per cent) and North Melbourne (50-55 per cent) had the lowest first-dose rates in the City of Melbourne, which is also the last in the state for double vaccination (38.4).
Cr Capp said the 2019 data was skewed due to the high numbers of international students who had left Melbourne since the start of the pandemic.
Demographer Glenn Capuano, from research firm Informed Decisions, said this was probably true and that Victoria’s total population had fallen by 43,000, with much of it coming from the inner-city.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/byron-bay-type-lifestylists-blamed-for-low-vax-rates-in-inner-city-melbourne-20211005-p58xbx.htmlMuch more in the article, I just pasted a few highlights here.
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Good to see the poorer LGAs in Victoria like Greater Dandenong, Hume and Whyndam that I was worried about a few weeks ago overtaking the yuppie LGAs like Yarra, Port Phillip and Stonnington and getting into the high 80 and 90 plus percentages for first jabs, although City of Melbourne is still weirdly lagging at 70%, and I'm not entirely sure why. Same deal in Sydney with LGAs like Campbelltown, Liverpool and Blacktown thankfully all in the 90s overtaking LGAs like North Sydney, Randwick and Bayside while City of Sydney is at 72%, lower than Byron Shire which is at 75%. My knowledge of geography and the often obscure LGA names make it hard for me to judge the equity of the rollout in the rest of the country, but here's the stats: https://www.health.gov.au/resources/collections/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-lga
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+xhaha CH, the perfect storm airport rooftop bar, ciggies/beers what more could you wish for, stopping @ INSTANBUL for the LFC memories :) I'm sure as MSC mentions you'll have a smorgasboard of cigs to pick from lol Jealous as ! mind you your far more game than me travelling already but good luck to you ! Enjoy the EPL with the northern chill BUT its all worth it having done it before, I'm sure you've checked on Anfield fixtures you lucky man whilst I'm watching at the usual ungodly hours. Curious on your passport outcome, keep us informed. By the way was the flight pricing acceptable ? and how many on the flight did they say ? They didn't say how many people on the flight, got my flights return for $3.7k. I haven't looked into Anfield but I already see the fixture v Chelsea at the bridge is on the 3rd while I'm still over there so who knows? I'll be in the south of the UK during my stay so logistically it'd make more sense to look at the LFC away games than the ones at Anfield.
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+x+xCamel Unfiltered cigarettes Holy shit, I used to smoke those a very long time ago. Pre marriage, pre kids, pre me being a solid citizen. :D
In the soft pack of 20 as well, amazing flavour.
You know what I'm talking about. Perfect compliment to a night on the drink, had to be careful not to take too big a drag or your head would spin like a top though! Then Nicola f**king Roxon had to ruin it for Aussies, on top of our governments' ridiculous contraband laws....
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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haha CH, the perfect storm airport rooftop bar, ciggies/beers what more could you wish for, stopping @ INSTANBUL for the LFC memories :) I'm sure as MSC mentions you'll have a smorgasboard of cigs to pick from lol Jealous as ! mind you your far more game than me travelling already but good luck to you ! Enjoy the EPL with the northern chill BUT its all worth it having done it before, I'm sure you've checked on Anfield fixtures you lucky man whilst I'm watching at the usual ungodly hours. Curious on your passport outcome, keep us informed. By the way was the flight pricing acceptable ? and how many on the flight did they say ?
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+xCamel Unfiltered cigarettes Holy shit, I used to smoke those a very long time ago. Pre marriage, pre kids, pre me being a solid citizen. :D
In the soft pack of 20 as well, amazing flavour.
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+xThanks guys- all sorted. Flying with Turkish Air/ QANTAS and stopovers in Singapore (that rooftop airport bar is going to be STEAMING in December/ January) and Istanbul (WE WON IT 5 TIMES!) Curious if anybody knows whether they sell Camel Unfiltered cigarettes/ cartons at the Istanbul duty-free, because I might just pick up a carton en-route to the UK... Going to be the first Festive Season I spend in the northern hemisphere, will be nice to watch EPL at a daylight hour too. My big gripe now is with the passport situation- mine was due to expire in February next year and the reasonable thing our government could've done is grant Australian citizens an extension on their passports (considering the vast majority of us haven't been able to use the things for 18 months at least). But of course to the LNP, $$$ is king. And I wouldn't be surprised (can't verify this) that Australia has the most expensive passports in the world? I watched Australia v Japan in 06 at that rooftop bar and yes..... it was dripping wet, stinking hot..... If anyone still sells Camels unfiltered its our Turkish friends......
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Thanks guys- all sorted. Flying with Turkish Air/ QANTAS and stopovers in Singapore (that rooftop airport bar is going to be STEAMING in December/ January) and Istanbul (WE WON IT 5 TIMES!) Curious if anybody knows whether they sell Camel Unfiltered cigarettes/ cartons at the Istanbul duty-free, because I might just pick up a carton en-route to the UK... Going to be the first Festive Season I spend in the northern hemisphere, will be nice to watch EPL at a daylight hour too. My big gripe now is with the passport situation- mine was due to expire in February next year and the reasonable thing our government could've done is grant Australian citizens an extension on their passports (considering the vast majority of us haven't been able to use the things for 18 months at least). But of course to the LNP, $$$ is king. And I wouldn't be surprised (can't verify this) that Australia has the most expensive passports in the world?
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thanks for correcting me, my error not remembering which oasis :)
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+xCH, your travel agent should be able to inform you everything and I wish you good luck. More so on price. My biz partner and I were checking up getting to a conference we normally attend in Vegas late Oct/early Nov. We checked up with our travel agent early last week, we're Qantas members, it was too early being able to lock things in for our dates flight not annouced as yet BUT she quoted could be capped @ 15 seats ????!!!! She said more info is to come in the next week or so from Qantas. I expect pricing is going to damn high ! Good luck, I'll be curious what you find out from ETIHAD for eg......stop over would be Dubai I would have thought. Emirates is Dubai. Etihad is Abu Dhabi
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She wasn't very clear but she knows we normally fly economy so I'm guessing in that section. We'll find out more next week hopefully, yet online I see soem reasonable pricing but you can't fix anything to date so I'd say they are just click bait as they say :)
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+xCH, your travel agent should be able to inform you everything and I wish you good luck. More so on price. My biz partner and I were checking up getting to a conference we normally attend in Vegas late Oct/early Nov. We checked up with our travel agent early last week, we're Qantas members, it was too early being able to lock things in for our dates flight not annouced as yet BUT she quoted could be capped @ 15 seats ????!!!! She said more info is to come in the next week or so from Qantas. I expect pricing is going to damn high ! Good luck, I'll be curious what you find out from ETIHAD for eg......stop over would be Dubai I would have thought. 15 seats for an entire flight? That's gonna be expensive.
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and we've got some of our life back today here in Sydney from today !
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CH, your travel agent should be able to inform you everything and I wish you good luck. More so on price. My biz partner and I were checking up getting to a conference we normally attend in Vegas late Oct/early Nov. We checked up with our travel agent early last week, we're Qantas members, it was too early being able to lock things in for our dates flight not annouced as yet BUT she quoted could be capped @ 15 seats ????!!!! She said more info is to come in the next week or so from Qantas. I expect pricing is going to damn high ! Good luck, I'll be curious what you find out from ETIHAD for eg......stop over would be Dubai I would have thought.
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+xSlightly unrelated but- Planning to head over to the UK to see family during the Christmas break. Taking a look at flights online and it would appear that (aside from Qantas) Turkish Airlines and ETIHAD have flights operating. The concern is stopovers- taking a look at the UK gov sight I can't find any info on whether Istanbul and Abu Dhabi are classified as red zones or whether I'm fine stopping over in Turkey/ UAE/ Singapore to/ from the UK. Don't know about Turkey or Singapore but my sister lives in Abu Dhabi and is going to the UK later this year. Pretty sure they're fine.
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Slightly unrelated but- Planning to head over to the UK to see family during the Christmas break. Taking a look at flights online and it would appear that (aside from Qantas) Turkish Airlines and ETIHAD have flights operating. The concern is stopovers- taking a look at the UK gov sight I can't find any info on whether Istanbul and Abu Dhabi are classified as red zones or whether I'm fine stopping over in Turkey/ UAE/ Singapore to/ from the UK.
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yep thankfully the reactive symptoms don't last long but it varies for all. water - panadol water all the best. My wife felt like she had that fluey/temp reaction a week later after her 2nd shot for eg
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+xHad Pfizer first dose yesterday, Woke up in the middle of the night in a sweat, small head ache, burning sensation on my arm, mild neck and arm pain, and a weird tooth tingling sensation(some people on reddit have reported same thing?). I also had some chest pain on the right side but that might’ve been related to asthma or indigestion(which I had earlier after dinner). Had vivid dreams all night too. It was all pretty mild and I was able to get back to sleep without any meds. Woke up in the morning feeling fine and was good all day Drink lots of tea & take the odd Panadol usually works.
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Had Pfizer first dose yesterday, Woke up in the middle of the night in a sweat, small head ache, burning sensation on my arm, mild neck and arm pain, and a weird tooth tingling sensation(some people on reddit have reported same thing?). I also had some chest pain on the right side but that might’ve been related to asthma or indigestion(which I had earlier after dinner). Had vivid dreams all night too.
It was all pretty mild and I was able to get back to sleep without any meds. Woke up in the morning feeling fine and was good all day
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Heard someone with Corona talking on the phone today...fucking hell they sounded bad like real bad....gasping for air. 45 years old, fit ...wasn't vaxxed and poor fucker is now panicking, Day 9 of it......
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+x+xwell looks like the Melb protesters no matter what angle all these people came from is showing in the infection numbers now more than ever..... Is this what they wanted ? lol one wonders the screams of freedoms as one angle for some what did they achieve. As a abiding citizen I'd be so livid, just as I was regards to the sthern sydney people in our city. Be interesting IF we get a spike in the next week due to the NRL GF. I look at it two ways - the protestors are idiots, but that's because they're just generally morons who can't make a clear intelligent point. As for the GF, frustrating but I can't blame people too much, oh for sure the protester/s and hangers on are idiots. I done get the people who do or have complied relax their mindset mind you. Its like jumping ship long before its actually sinks into the risk/unknown. You've gone the hard yards why jeopardise near the end game. (ok as for you guys in Melb what you've been subjected to and how long I'll give the rope but your pushing the boundary at the same time)..... I've only just seen my aging parents twice the last couple of weeks thanks to our 5k radious rule, if we all did the same as so many now who go here there and everywhere hats to become. I don't get our beachs of late so crowded, not much general distancing. EZ, I don't see many of our deaths of late are in aged care, sure some but most are people 50/60/70yrs not in aged care unless I'm mistaken. Most not vaxxed and who knows of their underlying issues and some have never even had a test in some case's. Its never that clear during the announcements. I agree on the Aged Care facilities in general as you mention. Big divide would be the Fed run compared to private. Speaking from my mother inlaw perspective, she's in a private one from the moment vax's became availabe her facility sent msgs to all carers/family member contacts for vax approval, don't think anyone said no. The other point apart from no visiting rights was delivery drivers weren't allowed in premise's but consignments dropped off in loading dock no entry. There has been 2 close contact scenarios with staff that had been addressed. My wife has had sleepness nights since covid started despite the good management I report, so far so good. The Fed ones, whoa I feel for them greatly, their aged care management I'm sure there is many failings within and the Gov period. Very sad scenario for many.
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To me the very worst deaths I read about daily have been the ones in aged care facility. Already vulnerable, perhaps alone, perhaps unable to have family visit & to be struck down like that. Those poor oldies wouldn't have had a chance. I hope the aged care facilities are held accountable for this in some way or moving forward be more rigorous with the health & hygeine of their employees & visitors. No one should be within coee of those places if they're not double vaccinated, and that means everyone.
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I like how health officials think 80% double dose is too risky to open up, but if everybody at the NRL GF had put something over their mouth and nose that would have been enough to stop an outbreak at a major event
Interesting to see that its been 100 years since the Spanish Flu outbreak. Despite major breakthroughs in technology, research, communication, global sharing and understanding Australia is still using the same archaic approach
If it wasnt safe enough to have the NRL GF without face masks, then it wasnt safe enough to have it with them. Any outbreaks that result are 100% on the health officials. They are just lucky the number of cases were negligible and the chances somebody infected was actually there would be minimal to none. I can guarentee you they'd be using it to "prove face masks work" so they can be in place for another 100 years
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+xwell looks like the Melb protesters no matter what angle all these people came from is showing in the infection numbers now more than ever..... Is this what they wanted ? lol one wonders the screams of freedoms as one angle for some what did they achieve. As a abiding citizen I'd be so livid, just as I was regards to the sthern sydney people in our city. Be interesting IF we get a spike in the next week due to the NRL GF. I look at it two ways - the protestors are idiots, but that's because they're just generally morons who can't make a clear intelligent point. As for the GF, frustrating but I can't blame people too much,
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