oh yes it has to be pfizer, bet you heaps of AZ is available but wait, she'll get 2 heads.

mcjules, agreed mate, it will be no free ticket and shouldn't once the time comes to open, we will still need to careful and follow practise's as per today for quite sometime.
Schools will be of concern as mentioned, mine travels by train, we won't be letting ours go till she's had 1 vax, I'm led to believe her bracket starts Sept.
Then to nail down a appointment, AZ or P we're not fussed if its approved.
Thankfully our 2 sons of 21/29yrs didn't get 2 heads from AZ, well not yet.

Her Doctor said flat out no.

I agree. I feel that mandatory vaccinations will give the nutjobs the ammunition they want to spill their bile. 

As far as I'm concerned though, if you work in aged care or in a cancer ward or something and have decided to not get the vaccinated then I think you have a moral obligation to quit your job and find employment elsewhere.

I think one of the weaknesses of our "western approach" is we only focus on products from our allies and shun the others. I already raised topic of Sputnik but I was reading about the Chinese vaccine (ref below) and it could actually allay a lot of the fears people have with the "experimental" mRNA vaccines like AZ, Pfizer, Moderna, etc which have never been used in the mass population before. 

The Chinese vax is a traditional vaccine which injects deactivated (ie dead) Covid virus particles into the body to generate the immune response. The side effects are limited and known since this has been used for all sorts of disease, most common of which is the flu shot. There are questions about how effective the Chinese vax is but it is WHO approved and if it gets more people vaxed sooner, why cant we have access to it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55212787

USA recorded 100,000 infections yesterday. Thats the reality of being open. Australia would be naive to think they cap this at 1,000 cases a day by letting people have large functions but having masks in supermarkets. No country has been able to accomplish that

This is a highly infectious disease that spreads exponentially. You either have it in the community or you dont

Being open means understanding that with an 80% vaccination rate hospitals arent going to be overrun. If they dont have that level of confidence in vaccinations then they shouldnt open up. Lingering "peace of mind" restrictions is simply putting a cap on society at a level that suits those with the loudest voices and the most resources

I respect that you're a parent but why should every child be forced to have months worth of education behind a mask for the sake of yours? This is the kind of shit storm brewing on the horizon when we pick and choose which restrictions to leave in place (or in the case of SA, which ones to introduce)

Hope you and yours are alright. Sucks that we're in this situation. One of my reasons for face masks is the hope that it does have an impact and if it doesn't we'll be out of this sooner. At the end of the day, most people just want to do what they can to get out of this, whether it's vaccines or masks. 

It's a difficult issue. You are discriminating against people for a personal choice. How about people that can't get vaccinated for medical reasons? Private businesses can introduce policies, but then, are we comfortable with private businesses dictating what employees can and cannot do to their bodies? At they same time, they also need to protect their staff and customers as best they can. None of this is 100%

Cheers. I dont dispute this point, but when the NSW CHO is asking for years of face masks then it doesnt look like you'll be out of it any time soon

As I've said, I dont agree with but understand face masks during a lockdown situation. I also dont despise restrictions that are proportionate. That hasnt been the case with face masks unfortunately. The decision as to what being open looks like is being made by the same people who decide what lockdown today looks like. Pointless restrictions today means pointless restrictions for years to come

Glady's is due to announce the plan for September for fully vaccinated people, school etc this week. I hope that we won't be subject to endless restrictions - we shall see but I can see public sentiment will switch if the Government gets a bit too heavy handed. I think people are tolerating it now because the expect it to be temporary and there is a target of 70-80% vaccinations. Restrictions won't be justifiable once we get there.

Your friend could've refreshed. I got my first jab Pfizer jab last week and I booked on Saturday.  Got it done Monday. And my second is in September.  

W.A might as well do what they've threatened to do for decades and secede altogether.

Yeah as I said I have a black bandanna that I bought back in 2013 so I at least look more like an outlaw biker or a bandit than a narcissistic hypochondriac. 

Like BB I check in and out of here during the day. Lucky to be a business owner who can work from home and live in an area where we're not up shit creek in terms of cases or restrictions. I can walk outside my front door past 9pm and stay out past 11pm without fearing the sound of a helicopter buzzing overhead. All the same I've had a couple of different friends in two different states reach out to me more over the past few weeks. One of them I haven't actually seen in over a year, we'll call him Greg. Greg posts a fair bit of stuff on Fb taking aim at armchair "experts" and the like, but last week he messaged me out of the blue. Asked if he could say something he thought he could say to me that he wouldn't get judged for, unlike how a lot of his other friends might? I said sure-

He then said he wanted a drink and night off where he's not expected to be the brother/ father/ creative genius (guy works in film production). He just wants a drink with people, said he's been drinking himself into oblivion most nights and it's getting old. Greg has a missus and young kids but is working stupid hours so I could understand him feeling like this. I invited him round sometime soon, pointing out that (seeing as I live solo and my family all live o/s) he could visit and claim compassionate care. He was very thankful. We'll hopefully catch-up soon.

After chatting with Greg I felt lucky again to have steady work and not have kids buzzing around me every day and the rest of the shit many other people are having to deal with. 

I would rather get the Sputnik shot, and I've also heard there's an Australian vaccine that should be ready by late this year?

I don't trust vaccines that have been developed by the people who are responsible for this whole mess in the first place. And by those people, I am talking specifically about:

The Getty's.

The Rothschilds

The Queen

The Vatican

Colonel Sanders (before he went tits up)

Gladys might not be Premier by September.

Yes that'd be my advice too. Check regularly, as more supplies arrive clinics put more appointment slots in.

Sorry mate, I sincerely hope your situation gets better. I'm just giving my interpretation of the Doherty Institute modelling that state and federal governments are basing their future plans on. 

re: children and face masks. They're already mandated in high schools in South Australia and hasn't caused much of a fuss. Kids are "forced" to do all sorts of things and its not much different to forcing them to wear a school uniform. Doing it with younger children is difficult though, there's no way you'll get my 6 year old to wear it properly all day. At any rate my comment was about what I would like to know to feel a bit more comfortable about things. I like the school my kids are at but I know a case of covid in one of those classrooms is going to infect plenty.  A spokesperson for the Doherty Institute on 730 tonight reiterated that track, trace and isolate is a big part of the overall strategy so that's part of the answer if a case ends up in a school.

Yep I could have booked one today for AZ on Tuesday 7th where I would apparently have the chance to opt for Pfizer, but I'll take my chances until tomorrow morning when all these new appointments are supposed to go live, maybe I can get a booking sooner, either way I'll take the chance to get a Pfizer specific booking.

Just keep checking daily. That's what we had to do in NSW as well. 

It's not even 07:00 and the booking site is swamped.

ah sorry jumped the gun, GP must have had concerns of her family health history possibly.

mcjules, re primary kids and kindy/day care for that matter.
Anyone researched what the UK or other countries have been dealing with this since they have been open ?
Or are they still doing home schooling ?
For trying to contain infections etc has be most challenging.

I was only talking with our daughter last night how is she going etc, she likes being home doing class's, she no oxford scholar I tell you but I/we do have concerns how she'll come out of this same for all I expect.
I think the majority will go backwards :(

Here's another article with the undertone that NSW didnt lockdown hard enough

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/gladys-berejiklian-sydney-lockdown-harshest-fact-check/100390380

What's the point in trying to disprove a literal statement made 4 weeks ago? Just because some states went that extra step in clamping down on anything that resembled living it doesnt mean NSW's restrictions weren't harsh. Nothing that NSW were allowed to do like fishing or exercising would result in a spike in transmission. Once a region hits a stay at home order thats as harsh as it gets. Everything else is bells and whistles with no science to support them

Reading through this article really highlights the lengths some states have gone to

As I said, my biggest fear or concern has never been the virus but the restrictions. It's not easy knowing that every day those same people are typing up documents trying to work out what the rest of our lives are going to look like. Other countries never used this tragedy as an excuse to pass law and thats why they have been able to progress further

And as an aside this article also alludes to what I was saying above about the pending shit storm of people forcing their beliefs on others (not aimed at anybody above, I have been warmed at the support)

https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/familyhealth/single-mums-covid-breach-ignites-raging-debate-among-aussies/ar-AANFNO6?li=AAgfLCP

I know this is under lockdown situation but this just shows how much people are telling other people what they are allowed to do and what they should be happy with or comfortable with

Australia simply needs to vaccinate and open up. The choice you make is get vaccinated or get COVID. There is no need for lingering restrictions. Once we let the first plane full of internationals into our country we'll be reporting the same numbers as they did

Cases down and proportion of cases in iso up two days in a row in Victoria, hopefully the start of a trend.

Not sure if you're trolling or not. Seen so many loons on FB spouting all kinds of shit it's difficult to tell.

919 cases in NSW today. Hitting quad digits tomorrow for sure.

We were 10000 points ahead at the top of the table 10
weeks ago. We now sit only 2000 ahead. Our management has sat on their hands while Gladys has been storming up the table. 

What’s that mean? Everyone I know can’t get any. I had both mine ages ago but Booked super early after a good tip by a mate. 

As Gladys took all the jabs they will soon be all done and restriction free. The rest of us will be in lockdown even though it was her that caused this latest screw up. 

Again, not saying I feel 100% on it but it would be pretty easy to have medical exemptions.
If someone goes to the effort of convincing a doctor to write them a fake letter then good on them I guess.

On that, I wonder how readily fake vaccine passports (or however they manage it) will be available.
If it's just a screen on your phone you flash at a nightclub I dare say pretty quickly and easily aha

My doctor told me to try and retry as sometimes people cancel their bookings.  My wife got hers Sunday last week but her 2nd one is in October 

ah ok cheers. Still not a great system when they are going around saying you're eligible, just give the screen a refresh :)