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+x+x[quote]The modelling in Australia has been laughable at best. You can just tell its people pumping figures into Excel and then applying an exponential growth formula. The initial modelling said that 20% to 60% of people would get infected (there has only been a 3% global infection rate after nearly 2 years), and I also remember figures of 20,000 by April 2020 (when there was less than 2000 local) I still havent worked out how Victoria saved 6000 people from getting the virus over a 4 week period with a single patient zero Dan Andrews has been using various supercomputers for modelling in Victoria "But there is an enormous amount of work going on, modelling scenarios being run through various supercomputers". https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-73-new-coronavirus-cases-41-more-deaths-20200831-p55qsz.html That makes perfect sense because I know a lot of people who think a good camera makes them a better photographer I recall last year them saying their software was built by students from LaTrobe Uni and they were the ones doing the modelling. From what I could piece together it was based on "chess pieces" touching each other and then a % factor to determine whether that piece would have been infected etc.... Then run the same scenario again but "what if face masks took off 70%" and viola, face masks work. They programmed their own conclusions. The federal government asked them for their data and they sheepishly retracted before releasing an embarrassing 6 page document with a few pretty charts Good to see they have upgraded their hardware
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+x+x+x+x+xOver 10% infection in Wilcannia, absolutely heartbreaking and perhaps the most infected individual place in the world, but because they don't vote Coalition or bring in the $$$ the NSW government not only don't give a shit, they literally equate them to dickheads in their own words, victim blaming them for a funeral even though it was within their own rules at the time. I realise that this is straight out of the playbook for the neocons; a government governing in the interests of regular people is the last thing they want, but with their federal aged care minister not even knowing how many people died under his watch and our head of federal government not bothering to order vaccines that his mates didn't own shares in or fucking off to Hawaii while Aussies burned and then lying about it I'm amazed that 99% of Australians aren't putting Coalition heads on pikes around the country, but then again when the narrative we discuss comes via Murdoch and the Daily Mail then what can you expect. its all an easy being cycnical Pala.... Who's to know the real reasons about the case on Wilcannia let alone many outcomes over the years by the Feds no matter the side (regards regional areas). Those outback joints full of our unvaccinated indigenous brethren are victims of misinformation flung about on facebook and the like. They weren't believing anything the government was telling them which is where the local elders needed to step up big time. So easy to blame the government. Do you blame the government for fuckwits in Mullumbimby, Nimbin and Byron for not getting vaccinated Pala or only when the narrative suits? So easy to victim blame. I choose not to engage with you on your implication that those in remote indigenous communities have had the same opportunities in life than hippies in Byron, I don't have the energy for that. Nice addendum and cop out. One has nothing to do with the other regards uptake of vaccinations. Horse / water comes to mind. It's a pity there's no vaccine for a lack of empathy.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xOver 10% infection in Wilcannia, absolutely heartbreaking and perhaps the most infected individual place in the world, but because they don't vote Coalition or bring in the $$$ the NSW government not only don't give a shit, they literally equate them to dickheads in their own words, victim blaming them for a funeral even though it was within their own rules at the time. I realise that this is straight out of the playbook for the neocons; a government governing in the interests of regular people is the last thing they want, but with their federal aged care minister not even knowing how many people died under his watch and our head of federal government not bothering to order vaccines that his mates didn't own shares in or fucking off to Hawaii while Aussies burned and then lying about it I'm amazed that 99% of Australians aren't putting Coalition heads on pikes around the country, but then again when the narrative we discuss comes via Murdoch and the Daily Mail then what can you expect. its all an easy being cycnical Pala.... Who's to know the real reasons about the case on Wilcannia let alone many outcomes over the years by the Feds no matter the side (regards regional areas). Those outback joints full of our unvaccinated indigenous brethren are victims of misinformation flung about on facebook and the like. They weren't believing anything the government was telling them which is where the local elders needed to step up big time. So easy to blame the government. Do you blame the government for fuckwits in Mullumbimby, Nimbin and Byron for not getting vaccinated Pala or only when the narrative suits? So easy to victim blame. I choose not to engage with you on your implication that those in remote indigenous communities have had the same opportunities in life than hippies in Byron, I don't have the energy for that. Nice addendum and cop out. One has nothing to do with the other regards uptake of vaccinations. Horse / water comes to mind. It's a pity there's no vaccine for a lack of empathy. I wish there was one that helped people understand nuance.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOver 10% infection in Wilcannia, absolutely heartbreaking and perhaps the most infected individual place in the world, but because they don't vote Coalition or bring in the $$$ the NSW government not only don't give a shit, they literally equate them to dickheads in their own words, victim blaming them for a funeral even though it was within their own rules at the time. I realise that this is straight out of the playbook for the neocons; a government governing in the interests of regular people is the last thing they want, but with their federal aged care minister not even knowing how many people died under his watch and our head of federal government not bothering to order vaccines that his mates didn't own shares in or fucking off to Hawaii while Aussies burned and then lying about it I'm amazed that 99% of Australians aren't putting Coalition heads on pikes around the country, but then again when the narrative we discuss comes via Murdoch and the Daily Mail then what can you expect. its all an easy being cycnical Pala.... Who's to know the real reasons about the case on Wilcannia let alone many outcomes over the years by the Feds no matter the side (regards regional areas). Those outback joints full of our unvaccinated indigenous brethren are victims of misinformation flung about on facebook and the like. They weren't believing anything the government was telling them which is where the local elders needed to step up big time. So easy to blame the government. Do you blame the government for fuckwits in Mullumbimby, Nimbin and Byron for not getting vaccinated Pala or only when the narrative suits? So easy to victim blame. I choose not to engage with you on your implication that those in remote indigenous communities have had the same opportunities in life than hippies in Byron, I don't have the energy for that. Nice addendum and cop out. One has nothing to do with the other regards uptake of vaccinations. Horse / water comes to mind. It's a pity there's no vaccine for a lack of empathy. I wish there was one that helped people understand nuance. Nuance?! You mean like blatantly misrepresenting statistics and flat out lying to bolster your popularity. That nuance? Oh sorry, that's not 'nuance' is it. You and Pala belong in a little 'condescension' bubble. Front of the queue.
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paladisious
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In a very, very long line to get my first Pfizer, just everyone else looks 18-39 so no doubt they were all ddossing the booking site the first day it became available as well.
Hopefully it won't make me too crook during the Socceroos game!
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+xIn a very, very long line to get my first Pfizer, just everyone else looks 18-39 so no doubt they were all ddossing the booking site the first day it became available as well. Hopefully it won't make me too crook during the Socceroos game! Had my first a week ago and if your experience is anything like mine you don't have much to worry about. A little bit tired with a mild headache and my arm was fairly sore in the jab area for about 48 hrs.
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UK starting on the 3rd jab IE boosters this month No end in sight
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+x"I honestly believe we need more research on what happens to the zero- to 12-year-old cohort, as they remain unvaccinated," the Premier said."We need some medical advice because if you're going to let virus in and rip through, what is going to happen to the children?" she said."I want to know what is going to happen to the children of this state."It is a fundamental question. It is omitted from any modelling, omitted from any plan and every single Queenslander must be included in that plan."Apparently the whole of the civilised world doesn't know anything about children under 12. (Pick up the farking phone luv.) Qld'ers need specific advice and modelling because, as we're told ad nauseum, "We are Queenslanders. We're the people that they breed tough, north of the border." (Anna Bligh 2011.) It's an absolute garbage statement designed to make her look tough on borders and shift the goalposts yet again. I can't believe anyone can read that statement by her and not see it for the absolute bollocks it is. What next? 'I honestly believe we need more research on what happens to the cats and dogs cohort because they're much loved members of our families and communities.' Holy shit, Anna Bligh. There's a name I haven't thought of in years. I lived up in Brissie when she was in charge, then "Can-do" Campbell afterwards.
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+xUK starting on the 3rd jab IE boosters this month No end in sight I ate dinner tonight, and I can exclusively reveal that I've had advice that I should have a breakfast booster tomorrow to continue living. No end in sight
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WA have put there cock on the block. 80% of everyone over 12 and then they'll open their borders.
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https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/queensland-records-zero-new-local-infections-quarantine-places-expand-as-hard-border-drops/news-story/7a95c774d201d3934c4bd4c8c0308021Annastacia Palaszczuk has finally apologised for allowing NRL players and their partners and into Queensland after she slammed shut the border to returning residents.
The admission came as Queensland recorded no new locally acquired Covid-19 cases on Friday as hundreds of quarantine rooms were made available and a family that sneaked back from Victoria returns negative tests.
Ms Palaszczuk said “it was not the right thing to do” as she backed down from her strong stance of permitting NRL players to enter.
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paladisious
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Glad to see we can take Archie off the anti vax footballer list, must've just been his missus: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTVkS5KhziF/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Yeah it was his ex wife. He's knew missus seemed to ground him that and she's Serb so she would be wearing the pants 😍🤣
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Yeah it was his ex wife. He's knew missus seemed to ground him that and she's Serb so she would be wearing the pants 😍🤣
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Most famous/influential left of centre magazine in the US arguing Australia is at serious risk of being an illiberal authoratarian country https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-australia-still-liberal-democracy/619940/Concludes with this: "Because of its geography, Australia is a neighbor and an observer of authoritarian countries as varied as China and Singapore. But its own fate, too, may turn on whether its people crave the feeling of safety and security that orders from the top confer, or whether they want to be free." After today's Dan Andrews Press conference that focused on vaccination and mitigation I'm more hopeful than I've been in months. He has given up the utopia of covid zero and now bending to the reality of endemic disease. SCOMO saying today that individual states can open international borders once they hit 80% fully vaxxed which for NSW will be next month. Can you imagine how busy Sydney airport will be if NSW allows fully vaxxed citizens from any state enter NSW allowing them to fly out of Australia?
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+xUK starting on the 3rd jab IE boosters this month No end in sight Had my 16th or 17th flu booster jab this may. No end in sight.
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Magazine may have left of centre tendencies but the author of the opinion piece considers himself right of centre and a libertarian. With that context it's no shock. Glad you're feeling more hopeful!
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+x+xUK starting on the 3rd jab IE boosters this month No end in sight Had my 16th or 17th flu booster jab this may. No end in sight. 36 years old, had a flu shot every year since I was 16, and have had 2 a year for the last 5 or 6 years, my nephew has major respiratory issues so always had to have them. People think they are going to get 5G with the covid vaccine, it was amazing when we switched from analog to digital in the flu shot. No end in sight.
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An infectious disease expert from Queensland thinks the state government has to consider another lockdown if it wants to get back to COVID-zero. I remember when the A League derailed itself chasing metrics and those involved in COVID discussions are doing the same for Australia There has to come a point where the education, social and employment needs of everybody in this country outweighs somebody getting the flu with a vaccine available
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+xYeah it was his ex wife. He's knew missus seemed to ground him that and she's Serb so she would be wearing the pants 😍🤣 I didn't know Serbian girls had a reputation for wearing the pants?
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+x+xUK starting on the 3rd jab IE boosters this month No end in sight Had my 16th or 17th flu booster jab this may. No end in sight. Bought toilet paper two months ago Have to buy some more today No end in sight Arsenal were shit last season They are shit this season No end in sight
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The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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A "super Sunday" vaccination blitz tomorrow will make jabs available for police, fire and emergency services personnel who live in Sydney's 12 LGAs of concern, the Health Minister said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/nsw-records-1-533-new-covid-19-cases-four-deaths/100434218Why aren't emergency services fully vaccinated already?
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Oscar de la hoya is fully vaccinated but now in hospital with COVID. He is late 40s but training for fight so would be super fit.
Concerning about how serious this disease can be. Would obviously be worse if he wasn’t vaccinated.
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I read an article that 100s of paramedics simply dont want to get vaccinated. Not getting vaccinated and anti vaxx rot isnt the same thing. The fact is either 80% of the adult population will get vaccinated (which means no issue) or over 4 million Australians dont want to get vaccinated which means it isnt a minority opinion The irony is during the heat of the face mask debate the emotional rhetoric was these people who slave day and night to save our lives wear a mask so we should have to wear them when we go for a walk alone. Yet they dont want to get vaccinated for our benefit
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Joe Rogan: Covid is nothing, if you have a immune system and work out you are fine Also Joe Rogan: Gets covid and spends tens of thousands on a cocktail of experimental pharma treatments straight away
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+xI read an article that 100s of paramedics simply dont want to get vaccinated. Not getting vaccinated and anti vaxx rot isnt the same thing. The fact is either 80% of the adult population will get vaccinated (which means no issue) or over 4 million Australians dont want to get vaccinated which means it isnt a minority opinion The irony is during the heat of the face mask debate the emotional rhetoric was these people who slave day and night to save our lives wear a mask so we should have to wear them when we go for a walk alone. Yet they dont want to get vaccinated for our benefit I get that there is a difference, but I think if you're in a situation of healthcare/emergency services, you should be vaccinated - like the aged care sector. I'm of two minds when it comes to this issue: (1) I don't believe that vaccination should be mandatory, but (2) I think that if you're providing healthcare to vulnerable people, you should be vaccinated. I'm more questioning our rollout - I thought these were category 1a people (or something like that). What happened to the rollout plan?
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The joint committee on vaccination and immunity has decided jabbing 12-15 years olds has no benefits. However the pollies under control of the pharmaceutical industrial complex are going to continue the carpet bombing of civilians with jabs The UK war on covid
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Vaccine passports are stupid to be honest. Its another example where the cost of implementing the restrictions outweigh the benefit of doing so
A vaccine passport only makes sense in lockdown or when trying to eliminate the virus. If somebody flies here you make sure their vaccinated and it limits the possibility of an outbreak from hotel quarantine. Or during an outbreak you limit those who can visit sensitive areas or attend major events. But it has to be done with the understanding that those who have the vaccine can still catch and spread the virus. You dont want somebody to catch the virus and then take it back to their unvaccinated work place or household
And how do you police it? We know mask usage is just a show and this will end up the same way. It will just be a waste of law enforcement resources
But thats all an aside because the decision to open up means the virus is going to spread like wildfire unchecked. Rules for A but restrictions for B is no different to when Australia had a ban on people coming here from China / Italy but we ended up with 4500 cases because it came here from the US / Europe. As I said, there is no way to control a virus spread or keep it at a consistent number
This is just creating problems when nothing can be simpler than accepting 70%-80% of vaccinations significantly reduces the risk factor, and then we do something novel for the last 18 months which is get on with our lives. The choice to not get vaccinated is the choice to catch the virus
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+xVaccine passports are stupid to be honest. Its another example where the cost of implementing the restrictions outweigh the benefit of doing so A vaccine passport only makes sense in lockdown or when trying to eliminate the virus. If somebody flies here you make sure their vaccinated and it limits the possibility of an outbreak from hotel quarantine. Or during an outbreak you limit those who can visit sensitive areas or attend major events. But it has to be done with the understanding that those who have the vaccine can still catch and spread the virus. You dont want somebody to catch the virus and then take it back to their unvaccinated work place or household Yes there are questions of implementation, legality, etc but in reality they are a smart idea as they exert a huge amount of pressure on the anti-vaxers and personally I know a few hard core anti-vaxers who are now changing their tune as Dictator Dan has told them they wont be able to go the the pub (or anywhere really) without being vaccinated.
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bluebird2
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+x+xVaccine passports are stupid to be honest. Its another example where the cost of implementing the restrictions outweigh the benefit of doing so A vaccine passport only makes sense in lockdown or when trying to eliminate the virus. If somebody flies here you make sure their vaccinated and it limits the possibility of an outbreak from hotel quarantine. Or during an outbreak you limit those who can visit sensitive areas or attend major events. But it has to be done with the understanding that those who have the vaccine can still catch and spread the virus. You dont want somebody to catch the virus and then take it back to their unvaccinated work place or household Yes there are questions of implementation, legality, etc but in reality they are a smart idea as they exert a huge amount of pressure on the anti-vaxers and personally I know a few hard core anti-vaxers who are now changing their tune as Dictator Dan has told them they wont be able to go the the pub (or anywhere really) without being vaccinated. Anti Vaxxers dont have the numbers because even if they all flat out refuse, if you're talking about 10,000-20,000 nut jobs Australia wide at most that makes a negligible impact on herd immunity goals and a negligible impact on hospitalisations. Failing to reach 80% is a bigger problem because it means ~4 million adults dont want to get vaccinated and there are more complex reasons than tinfoil hat theories in that large of numbers. How do you manage that? I dont think people understand that there is no half opening up, or keeping things to 2000 cases a day, or splitting society into two, or controlling the virus with face masks. Telling people they cant go to the pub unless they're vaccinated just means having them sitting at home and waiting until their partners / mates from the pubs bring the virus home or to the work place. Its like telling kids not to smoke but letting them smoke passively Opening up means having the confidence that when your most vulnerable are vaccinated, and 80% of the low-medium risk is vaccinated, there isnt much of a problem outside of what we are used to every year with other disease and things trying to kill us I'm not anti vaxx by the way but I 100% see it as people's choice. Forcing a vaccine onto somebody is just as bad as forcing others to wear a face mask for 5 years to make you feel safe. Australia's approach has definitely become about telling other people what to do The number 1 thing to remember is that if somebody isnt vaccinated, they are only a threat to you if you yourself have chosen not to get vaccinated. Its the premiers that are making people a victim of other people's choices with threats of ongoing restrictions until thresholds are met. I couldnt give a shit what the anti vaxxers do because they can only impact me if I do the same
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