A-Leagues set for $130 million payday with equity sale to US firm


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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-leagues-set-for-130-million-payday-with-equity-sale-to-us-firm-20211023-p592jm.html
A-Leagues set for $130 million payday with equity sale to US firm

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0The A-Leagues are set to receive a game-changing payday by selling a stake of the competition to an American private equity firm for $130 million, in what will be the biggest single injection of cash into Australian club football.
The Sun-Herald and Sunday Age can reveal the Australian Professional Leagues, the new owners and operators of the A-League Men and A-League Women, are in the advanced stages of talks to sell a significant stake of the competitions to US-based firm Silver Lake.
The A-League is set for a $130 million payday with an equity sale to US firm, Silver Lake.
The A-League is set for a $130 million payday with an equity sale to US firm, Silver Lake.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
While a deal is yet to be finalised, several sources with knowledge of the negotiations suggest an in-principle agreement has been reached to sell a stake of about 30 per cent of the competitions for a fee understood to be about $130 million, valuing the A-Leagues at more than $430 million.The two parties have been deep in negotiations for an equity sale for several months but are now on the cusp of finalising a deal that would give the once financially strapped competition a massive cash reserve.Many of the competition’s major stakeholders were briefed about the proposed sale this week. The deal would also need federal government regulatory approval.The APL declined to comment when contacted on Saturday, however sources with knowledge of the deal say Football Australia is unlikely to stand in the way of the sale, as the governing body would also benefit financially from the transaction. FA retains shares in the competition after control of the A-Leagues was transferred to the clubs in December last year.Should the equity deal go through, it would represent the biggest commercial deal in the history of Australian club football and allow the A-Leagues to pursue lofty off-field and marketing ambitions while providing long-term financial stability.While A-League clubs will likely receive some of the windfall of the proposed sale, most of the funds will be put towards building a new digital media platform, as well as covering the costs of the competition’s promotion, long-term operating costs, future investments and, potentially, enabling clubs to buy more marquee players.If the sale goes through, Silver Lake will join broadcaster CBS Viacom (owners of Network Ten and Paramount+) as commercial partners with equity stakes in the A-Leagues, while the 12 clubs will remain the majority owners of the competition.
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The impending partnership with the A-Leagues is not Silver Lake’s first venture in professional football with the California-based company having purchased shares in City Football Group, owners of EPL club Manchester City and A-League side Melbourne City. The group paid $US500 million in 2019 for a 10 per cent stake in CFG.

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Silver Lake has also shown significant interest in investing in other sporting codes in the region, having made an offer to purchase a 12.5 per cent stake in New Zealand Rugby and commercial rights to the All Blacks in April. However, that deal stalled after New Zealand Rugby’s Players Association blocked the plan, citing concerns around the commercialisation of the team’s branding.Silver Lake’s proposed equity purchase of the A-League follows several major commercial partnerships the APL has forged since gaining its independence from Football Australia, including a landmark broadcast deal with Ten and Paramount+ that sees the A-League shown on a major free-to-air network for the first time in the competition’s 16-year history. The A-League Men’s competition has also struck a new naming rights deal with Isuzu Utes. Sources with knowledge of the deal suggest the value of that arrangement is about $4 million a season.

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For better or worse BIG $ is starting to flow for Australian Football which is unprecedented. Hopefully next few years sees the AL standards creep up higher
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Not happy with this... interestingly most of the money will be spend on international communications...

Given the already 30 million plus most of the 130 million on the hub.... seems to me APL are setting up to sell direct .... 
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Midfielder - 24 Oct 2021 11:52 AM
Not happy with this... interestingly most of the money will be spend on international communications...

Given the already 30 million plus most of the 130 million on the hub.... seems to me APL are setting up to sell direct .... 

This is what Silver Lake do. They build and trade off underperforming industries with their huge capabilities in directing ICT investments to monetize content. Content is the single biggest and underdeveloped asset the APL own. This is a very smart partner choice, and this strategy goes directly to that I speculated about in another thread about the APL going the way Supercars did. The APL are building a content production and distribution business and my money is on them the use that to monetize their leagues and a DIV2 and maybe some smaller Asian leagues. This is all about revenue growth and diversification. Futureproofing professional football in Australia.
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mahony - 24 Oct 2021 4:06 PM
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This is what Silver Lake do. They build and trade off underperforming industries with their huge capabilities in directing ICT investments to monetize content. Content is the single biggest and underdeveloped asset the APL own. This is a very smart partner choice, and this strategy goes directly to that I speculated about in another thread about the APL going the way Supercars did. The APL are building a content production and distribution business and my money is on them the use that to monetize their leagues and a DIV2 and maybe some smaller Asian leagues. This is all about revenue growth and diversification. Futureproofing professional football in Australia.

can you please expand on the supercars mention please ?
I don't know the other thread you mention of so I can relate their deal and this.


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LFC. - 25 Oct 2021 12:10 PM
mahony - 24 Oct 2021 4:06 PM

can you please expand on the supercars mention please ?
I don't know the other thread you mention of so I can relate their deal and this.

Sure.

Supercars have a similar split production deal with 7 - an approach they developed in their previous partnership at 10.

They have invested in the establishment of a huge production arm (Supercars Media) and own and operate all the cameras and other production capital (including an OTT platform for OS broadcasting) and broadcast talent at most their events and supplement them with additional cameras of the broadcast partner at their big events. Supercars Media is a vastly bigger operation than Supercars itself, but importantly, motor racing needs many more cameras and broadcast staff to make it engaging than football does.

Going this way APL wIll own all the content (I notice they purchased the archive content from Fox in their final TV deal), they can exploit it in the editing booth to drive content through the broadcast partnership itself, tbrough their new aus football hub, podcasts, specialist apps, undertake documentary film production, push out content to content hungry regional media parters about the FFA Cup, develop made for TV special (like e-series football, awards nights etc...) and they sell it all here - and importantly, they can sell the league and cup broadcast directly via their own OTT platform to OS audiences.

This approach has also enabled Supercars to self-fund additional capacity in production and broadcast that they have subsiquently been contracted as a braodcaster for a couple of 'lower league' domestic and asian motor racing series.

I have no doubt this is where the APL are headed - but football has a vastly bigger and younger 'built in' football family here to sell content to than motor sport and there are many more global football fans or developing leagues looking for content or a broadcast partner at the right price point. The opportunity is huge if you own your content and build your production capability. 

Silver Lake will, by the look of them, bring something else that is missing from the Supercars Media aproach - a big data driven strategy to link and grown the football family and then market online content, club membership, tickets, events, merchandise etc... and the APL are rightly seeking to leverage popular foreign leagues to drive eyeballs to their hub also... Supercars have wanted to 'footyfy' their sport for years creating a finals series of sorts, franchising entry licenses to create 'racing clubs', buying out and building lower divisions of V8 racing and even adopting the language of football in their commentary to create tribalism within the 'league', not just between the two car makes. They have not been able to do it well to be frank as it all feels very forced and fans follow drivers more than teams increasingly. this will all come more naturally to football obviously.

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mahony - 26 Oct 2021 8:53 PM
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Sure.

Supercars have a similar split production deal with 7 - an approach they developed in their previous partnership at 10.

They have invested in the establishment of a huge production arm (Supercars Media) and own and operate all the cameras and other production capital (including an OTT platform for OS broadcasting) and broadcast talent at most their events and supplement them with additional cameras of the broadcast partner at their big events. Supercars Media is a vastly bigger operation than Supercars itself, but importantly, motor racing needs many more cameras and broadcast staff to make it engaging than football does.

Going this way APL wIll own all the content (I notice they purchased the archive content from Fox in their final TV deal), they can exploit it in the editing booth to drive content through the broadcast partnership itself, tbrough their new aus football hub, podcasts, specialist apps, undertake documentary film production, push out content to content hungry regional media parters about the FFA Cup, develop made for TV special (like e-series football, awards nights etc...) and they sell it all here - and importantly, they can sell the league and cup broadcast directly via their own OTT platform to OS audiences.

This approach has also enabled Supercars to self-fund additional capacity in production and broadcast that they have subsiquently been contracted as a braodcaster for a couple of 'lower league' domestic and asian motor racing series.

I have no doubt this is where the APL are headed - but football has a vastly bigger and younger 'built in' football family here to sell content to than motor sport and there are many more global football fans or developing leagues looking for content or a broadcast partner at the right price point. The opportunity is huge if you own your content and build your production capability. 

Silver Lake will, by the look of them, bring something else that is missing from the Supercars Media aproach - a big data driven strategy to link and grown the football family and then market online content, club membership, tickets, events, merchandise etc... and the APL are rightly seeking to leverage popular foreign leagues to drive eyeballs to their hub also... Supercars have wanted to 'footyfy' their sport for years creating a finals series of sorts, franchising entry licenses to create 'racing clubs', buying out and building lower divisions of V8 racing and even adopting the language of football in their commentary to create tribalism within the 'league', not just between the two car makes. They have not been able to do it well to be frank as it all feels very forced and fans follow drivers more than teams increasingly. this will all come more naturally to football obviously.

OK thanks for your brief......
Its interesting and agree its very hard to compare supercars to football but the media partner directive has similar lines to market, selling a product......
In the big picture the "product" itself has to deliver and I've seen supercars going backwards for some years due to their governace led by Archer/Seamer.
Rivalry red vs blue was created long before that investment company you may know, another investor before them failed as well after Cochrane sold at its peak I think around $195M.
2020 Fox/7 deal of $200M is the only reason the Series has kept afloat - its viewership declining, a new Invester buyer talk is around $100M.
Archer paid around $190M in 2011, what a loss and their content platform hasn't done much, Middle East/Asia/USA normal target for this content I expect you know.
Overall you could say it is similar to APL/AL, no matter where additional funding comes from be it content the big picture is no amount of money invested keeps people/supporters invested or attract new. Its an unkown to a degree and a sell up.
Supercars, Archer over the years have reduced "support" races that used to entertain having varying class's to watch that was exciting for many.
Archer decided to be greedy and its all about the main show, as you've mentioned they bough or closed out other competitors in the game, the format is a long drain of "practice" of the same main game before we finally see the main race, you touched this. (isn't it ironic APL blocks out NPL or NSD P/R for eg )
Its turned the whole series into a boring joke and the content advantages haven't helped in the big picture that is surprising maybe for the USA audience are into our type of cars and follow so many varients of racing.

What I'm coming to in the end of this - no matter what great businessmen do with their product, all this deal represents to me its not about the good of the game but the good of the investors (pockets) having content available to sell abroad ( whatever OS deal is struck the money won't come back into the sport) for thats how big business operates.
Will it sell enough ? time will tell I guess, what is the OS viewership like of the MLS ? 
Maybe latin america for many players are from there but europe ? I'd say bugger all.
I just don't think a franchise football product gains the attention like say motogp/F1/EPL and other normal P/R leagues......

Excitement by some over a headline.


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LFC. - 27 Oct 2021 11:42 AM
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Will it sell enough ? time will tell I guess, what is the OS viewership like of the MLS ? 


I once read that the Mexican viewership of the MLS is actually larger than local viewership, which might help explain why compared to the other American sports, it's broadcast deals are worth peanuts.
As for South America proper, I mean why would your average Argentinian or Brazilian have the remotest interest in the MLS?
If their local leagues weren't enough, they have all the European leagues to worry about.
Who else is going to care about the MLS?
Certainly not your average European football fan.

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bettega - 27 Oct 2021 11:58 AM
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I once read that the Mexican viewership of the MLS is actually larger than local viewership, which might help explain why compared to the other American sports, it's broadcast deals are worth peanuts.
As for South America proper, I mean why would your average Argentinian or Brazilian have the remotest interest in the MLS?
If their local leagues weren't enough, they have all the European leagues to worry about.
Who else is going to care about the MLS?
Certainly not your average European football fan.

not surprised re the Mex mention, I mentioned latin merica purely on the base's players are in the MLS as well and some would have interest to follow, not devotees 100% but passing interest unless its one of their top players like a Chichorito for eg.
Their own league and typical latin merican leagues would be their foremost full stop and following some of their own in Euro leagues way more than MLS.
Merica is a bubble and squeak DNA way different to their way of thinking and DNA as you'd agree..



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LFC. - 27 Oct 2021 11:42 AM
mahony - 26 Oct 2021 8:53 PM

OK thanks for your brief......
Its interesting and agree its very hard to compare supercars to football but the media partner directive has similar lines to market, selling a product......
In the big picture the "product" itself has to deliver and I've seen supercars going backwards for some years due to their governace led by Archer/Seamer.
Rivalry red vs blue was created long before that investment company you may know, another investor before them failed as well after Cochrane sold at its peak I think around $195M.
2020 Fox/7 deal of $200M is the only reason the Series has kept afloat - its viewership declining, a new Invester buyer talk is around $100M.
Archer paid around $190M in 2011, what a loss and their content platform hasn't done much, Middle East/Asia/USA normal target for this content I expect you know.
Overall you could say it is similar to APL/AL, no matter where additional funding comes from be it content the big picture is no amount of money invested keeps people/supporters invested or attract new. Its an unkown to a degree and a sell up.
Supercars, Archer over the years have reduced "support" races that used to entertain having varying class's to watch that was exciting for many.
Archer decided to be greedy and its all about the main show, as you've mentioned they bough or closed out other competitors in the game, the format is a long drain of "practice" of the same main game before we finally see the main race, you touched this. (isn't it ironic APL blocks out NPL or NSD P/R for eg )
Its turned the whole series into a boring joke and the content advantages haven't helped in the big picture that is surprising maybe for the USA audience are into our type of cars and follow so many varients of racing.

What I'm coming to in the end of this - no matter what great businessmen do with their product, all this deal represents to me its not about the good of the game but the good of the investors (pockets) having content available to sell abroad ( whatever OS deal is struck the money won't come back into the sport) for thats how big business operates.
Will it sell enough ? time will tell I guess, what is the OS viewership like of the MLS ? 
Maybe latin america for many players are from there but europe ? I'd say bugger all.
I just don't think a franchise football product gains the attention like say motogp/F1/EPL and other normal P/R leagues......

Excitement by some over a headline.

I don't disagree with much of that at all, and as a close follower of mototr sport in Australia since the 70's all your observations resonate with mine. My only point of difference is to say that differing motivations are fine as long as incentives are aligned. Let me put it this way. I suspect the APL want to make money too. 
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Midfielder - 24 Oct 2021 11:52 AM
Not happy with this... interestingly most of the money will be spend on international communications...

Given the already 30 million plus most of the 130 million on the hub.... seems to me APL are setting up to sell direct .... 

Where do you get this? The article says the money will be spent on the following things:

"While A-League clubs will likely receive some of the windfall of the proposed sale, most of the funds will be put towards building a new digital media platform, as well as covering the costs of the competition’s promotion, long-term operating costs, future investments and, potentially, enabling clubs to buy more marquee players."

To be honest the worst thing they could do with the money is sign marquee players. It needs to be invested for long-term gains, not a short-term sugar rush.
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Where do you get this? The article says the money will be spent on the following things:

"While A-League clubs will likely receive some of the windfall of the proposed sale, most of the funds will be put towards building a new digital media platform, as well as covering the costs of the competition’s promotion, long-term operating costs, future investments and, potentially, enabling clubs to buy more marquee players."

To be honest the worst thing they could do with the money is sign marquee players. It needs to be invested for long-term gains, not a short-term sugar rush.

I think marquees as a strategy can work, the MLS has shown you need to sign a new one each season in order to grow the league and are now at the point where the league is popular enough to go after younger talented south americans who are less about marketing and more about talent. If the AL just sign sporadic marquees then it is a waste of money. I do agree that other areas of the league need attention way before we worry about marquees though, but it is worth exploring. It will really comes down to costings of everything. A marquee who will move the dial will cost about 4 -8 mil AUD a season going off what the MLS pay. So if we were to get a new marquee a season you are looking at about that much per year (not counting what clubs will contribute which may be enough to extend it to two season). It will all come down to how much clubs will contribute towards it and have all the other more important areas been addressed. 

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Potential conflict of interest with City Football Group? 
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It's a very big pay day.
Remember that initially they were trying to sell a 10% stake for $30 mill, and it's become a 30% stake for $130 million.
In other words, they've extracted a much larger price out of Silver Lake, but for a much bigger chunk of the action.
CFG already has some sort of joint venture agreement with Silver Lake, so effectively, this means CFG now has 30% plus its existing 8.33% interest, now giving them a 38.33% interest.
Also worth remembering that Viacom now owns a 2.5% stake in the APL via the broadcast agreement.
What does it all mean at the end of the day?
Well, who knows?
In all likelihood, a chunk of the $130 mill will be used to reimburse the losses current owners incurred during the last corona infested season.  That might take $30 mill on its own, and if they are expecting the same thing for the current season, that might take another $30 mill.
They wanted to invest $30 mill in digital technology (Silver Lake is meant to be a technology comglomerate).
That still leaves $40 mill in the kitty.
It's a lot of money.

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bettega - 24 Oct 2021 1:00 PM
It's a very big pay day.
Remember that initially they were trying to sell a 10% stake for $30 mill, and it's become a 30% stake for $130 million.
In other words, they've extracted a much larger price out of Silver Lake, but for a much bigger chunk of the action.
CFG already has some sort of joint venture agreement with Silver Lake, so effectively, this means CFG now has 30% plus its existing 8.33% interest, now giving them a 38.33% interest.
Also worth remembering that Viacom now owns a 2.5% stake in the APL via the broadcast agreement.
What does it all mean at the end of the day?
Well, who knows?
In all likelihood, a chunk of the $130 mill will be used to reimburse the losses current owners incurred during the last corona infested season.  That might take $30 mill on its own, and if they are expecting the same thing for the current season, that might take another $30 mill.
They wanted to invest $30 mill in digital technology (Silver Lake is meant to be a technology comglomerate).
That still leaves $40 mill in the kitty.
It's a lot of money.

It will open up for the aleague clubs to invest in their much needed infrastructure as well as open up in bringing in more marquee players to the league as well.
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bettega - 24 Oct 2021 1:00 PM
It's a very big pay day.
Remember that initially they were trying to sell a 10% stake for $30 mill, and it's become a 30% stake for $130 million.
In other words, they've extracted a much larger price out of Silver Lake, but for a much bigger chunk of the action.

I don't ever remember the 10% for $30m.  Last reports was that they were selling max 25%.

Now, Silverlake, CFG and 3 others will have a majority.

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I’m sure we’ll find a way to waste that in consultation fees.
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The good news keeps on coming for Aus football, great stuff and a much needed investment kick for the sport especially for the aleague. 
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Might want to edit that first post so it's readable.

This is possibly the biggest moment in Aus club football since the A-League was launched and we qualified for the '06 WC, we need to ride this and make sure it's not wasted. I'm optimistic but we've all seen firsthand how quickly sports leagues burn through money (ARU after the '03 WC and the AFL with their blackhole to support the franchises in NSW/QLD).



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Sounds to me  like they've already spent most  of the money before they  will even get it,  at  a  cost of   30%  of the  farm.

I  wouldn't  be  expecting   any  new  stadiums  or  state-of-the-art   facilities being  built, if I  were  you.

Maybe  a Rodwell or  two,  but  that's  about  it.



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Remote Control - 24 Oct 2021 4:01 PM
Sounds to me  like they've already spent most  of the money before they  will even get it,  at  a  cost of   30%  of the  farm.

I  wouldn't  be  expecting   any  new  stadiums  or  state-of-the-art   facilities being  built, if I  were  you.

Maybe  a Rodwell or  two,  but  that's  about  it.



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I hope that the majority of the A-league clubs consider building their own stadiums with some of the monies they may get from this deal to help defray some of the costs associated with running a football club. .............charliecat . as you can guess I'm still alive & kicking.
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charliecat - 24 Oct 2021 8:38 PM
I hope that the majority of the A-league clubs consider building their own stadiums with some of the monies they may get from this deal to help defray some of the costs associated with running a football club. .............charliecat . as you can guess I'm still alive & kicking.

It's only about $10m per club, which is not enough to even begin building a stadium, and only a fraction of the total will be distributed to the clubs, most of it will be used for league-wide investment: the digital platform most notably. There's also the potential to set up a commercial marketing body like MLS's SUM, which could for instance bankroll tours by overseas clubs, the profits from which can be invested back into the A-League.
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$130 million sounds like a lot, but it won't go very far at all. Lets hope its spent wisely.  
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I would actually like to see clubs use this money for club houses that they can use as a source of income through functions, bars, etc. It would be a good consistent way they could generate income year round

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By my reckoning, about half the money is going straight back to the owners to defray losses incurred across two covid infested seasons.
That still leaves some $65 mill to $70 mill, but about $30mill will be invested in digital media.
So that leaves about $35 mill to $40 mill.
A marquee at $4 mill per season is hardly worth it, won't be high enough calibre player, so you start talking about $8 mill per season, or $16 mill in two seasons.
Ok, there's enough to pay for that, but which club is getting the benefit?
Maybe it's a 50/50 arrangement, so two clubs can afford that calibre marquee because they can contribute $4 mill per annum.
Newcastle will not be one of the beneficiaries, as they are currently owned by three other clubs.  Mariners and the Nix, and probably Macarthur are unlikely to be beneficiaries, so that whittles it down to 8 candidates, and of those 8, four look more likely than the other four.
Either way, inevitably it becomes a question of fairness.

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bettega - 25 Oct 2021 10:20 AM
By my reckoning, about half the money is going straight back to the owners to defray losses incurred across two covid infested seasons.
That still leaves some $65 mill to $70 mill, but about $30mill will be invested in digital media.
So that leaves about $35 mill to $40 mill.
A marquee at $4 mill per season is hardly worth it, won't be high enough calibre player, so you start talking about $8 mill per season, or $16 mill in two seasons.
Ok, there's enough to pay for that, but which club is getting the benefit?
Maybe it's a 50/50 arrangement, so two clubs can afford that calibre marquee because they can contribute $4 mill per annum.
Newcastle will not be one of the beneficiaries, as they are currently owned by three other clubs.  Mariners and the Nix, and probably Macarthur are unlikely to be beneficiaries, so that whittles it down to 8 candidates, and of those 8, four look more likely than the other four.
Either way, inevitably it becomes a question of fairness.

4 million gets you someone the calibre of Matuidi (per MLS he is actually being paid 2mil AUD) whilst 8 mil gets you Higuain calibre. So 4 mil is definitely doable, but tbh the league cant worry about fairness atm. It needs to worry about growing the league which will benefit all the clubs in the long term.

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bettega - 25 Oct 2021 10:20 AM
By my reckoning, about half the money is going straight back to the owners to defray losses incurred across two covid infested seasons.
That still leaves some $65 mill to $70 mill, but about $30mill will be invested in digital media.
So that leaves about $35 mill to $40 mill.
A marquee at $4 mill per season is hardly worth it, won't be high enough calibre player, so you start talking about $8 mill per season, or $16 mill in two seasons.
Ok, there's enough to pay for that, but which club is getting the benefit?
Maybe it's a 50/50 arrangement, so two clubs can afford that calibre marquee because they can contribute $4 mill per annum.
Newcastle will not be one of the beneficiaries, as they are currently owned by three other clubs.  Mariners and the Nix, and probably Macarthur are unlikely to be beneficiaries, so that whittles it down to 8 candidates, and of those 8, four look more likely than the other four.
Either way, inevitably it becomes a question of fairness.

Surely the club (or foreign despot that owns the club and has a current employee on the board of FA) that has an equity stake in Silver Lake would be the major beneficiary financially? APL sold themselves cheap in my opinion.... 30% & 1/12th of the remaining "pie" is a pretty decent outcome for the CFG - How long before "his highness the Sheikh" starts getting some positive press on channel 10 do you reckon? 
For the "good of the game" ...... ofcourse.
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Can someone break this down for a dopey me this morning. What's in it for the buyers?


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Munrubenmuz - 25 Oct 2021 10:37 AM
Can someone break this down for a dopey me this morning. What's in it for the buyers?

Redemption maybe bud? A whole league they can use to do whatever they want with maybe? 25 million western world consumers they can beam messages into every night?  Who knows?
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Munrubenmuz - 25 Oct 2021 10:37 AM
Can someone break this down for a dopey me this morning. What's in it for the buyers?

Not an expert but i believe a return on investment when they sell or through profit margins. Best example (even if its extreme) is lets say they invested the Premier league when it started, that has grown into a behemoth today which would be be able to today give a yearly dividend or they could sell for a lot more than they bought. 

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Munrubenmuz - 25 Oct 2021 10:37 AM
Can someone break this down for a dopey me this morning. What's in it for the buyers?

Agree with Jay above that if they can re-sell their stake within the decade for double what they paid, they are probably happy.
It's hard to imagine that they are expecting to pull an annual dividend when the league has been averaging approx $20 million in average losses across all clubs since inception (and new broadcast deal is generating less cash, and new major sponsorship is generating less cash) - and that's before we even get to the impact of COVID on all other revenue sources.
From the perspective of at least one of the owners, it guarantees a closed league in perpetuity.
But yeh, it's a lot of money.

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Very worried this money will be wasted. Central allocated funds should be distributed to clubs (such as the Roar) to build assets that contribute long term, such as clubhouses on club owned land that has potential to grow into a stadium complex. Just my 1Cents worth. 

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overroared - 25 Oct 2021 12:56 PM
Very worried this money will be wasted. Central allocated funds should be distributed to clubs (such as the Roar) to build assets that contribute long term, such as clubhouses on club owned land that has potential to grow into a stadium complex. Just my 1Cents worth. 

About half of it will go back directly to the owners to defray losses made over last two years, and to help with current season.
Note:  that's not really the same thing as the money going back to the "club".

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Yes some of this money should eb used for a second div and for marquees.

Also lol at the dopes who think this deal gives City 38% ownership of the aleague. I suppose we're also worried by what Airbnb, Alibaba, GoDaddy and Skype have in mind for the code?? This is an investment company. They're worried about money. They invest to help other companies make more money and then they in turn get richer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Lake_(investment_firm)#Investments
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kaufusi - 25 Oct 2021 3:14 PM
Yes some of this money should eb used for a second div and for marquees.

Also lol at the dopes who think this deal gives City 38% ownership of the aleague. I suppose we're also worried by what Airbnb, Alibaba, GoDaddy and Skype have in mind for the code?? This is an investment company. They're worried about money. They invest to help other companies make more money and then they in turn get richer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Lake_(investment_firm)#Investments

Correct.
Meaning they will use their controlling interest to make sure that all APL decisions further their one primary interest.

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bettega - 25 Oct 2021 4:59 PM
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Correct.
Meaning they will use their controlling interest to make sure that all APL decisions further their one primary interest.

The key point is that a booming A League is in their interests. 
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charlied - 25 Oct 2021 5:36 PM
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The key point is that a booming A League is in their interests. 

Well, in truth, the only thing that really matters is that they find a buyer wishing to pay more than they did for their stake.
That might coincide with a booming A-League.
Then again, the $130 million they've paid is at the very bottom end of their usual array of investments.
It may or may not matter to them a whole  lot.

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kaufusi - 25 Oct 2021 3:14 PM
Yes some of this money should eb used for a second div and for marquees.

Also lol at the dopes who think this deal gives City 38% ownership of the aleague. I suppose we're also worried by what Airbnb, Alibaba, GoDaddy and Skype have in mind for the code?? This is an investment company. They're worried about money. They invest to help other companies make more money and then they in turn get richer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Lake_(investment_firm)#Investments

You should lol at the dopes that will spend their hard earned wages gambling on the results of matches in this league big fella. As far as I know the results of matches between Alibaba vs Skype don't get bet on online.....  Its ok if they come right out and say its "sportertainment" like wrestling, but while they are still pretending its a football competition its a bit suss that the lines of "ownership" are so blurred wouldn't you say? 
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You should lol at the dopes that will spend their hard earned wages gambling on the results of matches in this league big fella. As far as I know the results of matches between Alibaba vs Skype don't get bet on online.....  Its ok if they come right out and say its "sportertainment" like wrestling, but while they are still pretending its a football competition its a bit suss that the lines of "ownership" are so blurred wouldn't you say? 

I see why you call yourself mono...

I actually find your repartee insightful and amusing most of the time but it must be exhausting trying to convince yourself the A-League isn't football.
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I see why you call yourself mono...

I actually find your repartee insightful and amusing most of the time but it must be exhausting trying to convince yourself the A-League isn't football.

Personal insults aside, are YOU not concerned that the opportunities for match fixing are now doubled if not tripled?
What would you call a so called "sporting competition" were franchises own a stake in each other, where one "club" effectively is financially in bed with a consortium that now owns 30% of the league??? I must be naïve but that, to me, is alarming. "MLS lite" is not the "golden standard" that will make our sport grow, make our playing pool better and create an environment where all Australians can enjoy and appreciate this glorious, beautiful game we all love. Even the yanks are starting to see the light and the grumbling from fans and clubs below the money tiers is growing ever louder over there... why must we look to one failing example instead of following the 200+ other , better examples of leagues around the world?

A-League or APL or Aleagues Men's, Women's and Children's or Isuzu Trucks event series or whatever they are now calling themselves may very well play the sport of football, however this is now, clearly, incidental as their goal (self declared by the way - just have look back at all of Lederer and Townsend's decelerations over the last few months) is to generate "content" for public consumption. A-League Franchises currently may very well PLAY football (currently) but they are NOT Football mate.

In truth, this is actually a great thing for real football in this country. It marks the "line in the sand" moment where the A-leagues competitions cease to be the financial burden on the other 700+ clubs in the country and we can focus on creating what we have never had in this country, a true football pyramid from amateur to National NPL, all interconnected.... 
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Personal insults aside, are YOU not concerned that the opportunities for match fixing are now doubled if not tripled?
What would you call a so called "sporting competition" were franchises own a stake in each other, where one "club" effectively is financially in bed with a consortium that now owns 30% of the league??? I must be naïve but that, to me, is alarming. "MLS lite" is not the "golden standard" that will make our sport grow, make our playing pool better and create an environment where all Australians can enjoy and appreciate this glorious, beautiful game we all love. Even the yanks are starting to see the light and the grumbling from fans and clubs below the money tiers is growing ever louder over there... why must we look to one failing example instead of following the 200+ other , better examples of leagues around the world?

A-League or APL or Aleagues Men's, Women's and Children's or Isuzu Trucks event series or whatever they are now calling themselves may very well play the sport of football, however this is now, clearly, incidental as their goal (self declared by the way - just have look back at all of Lederer and Townsend's decelerations over the last few months) is to generate "content" for public consumption. A-League Franchises currently may very well PLAY football (currently) but they are NOT Football mate.

In truth, this is actually a great thing for real football in this country. It marks the "line in the sand" moment where the A-leagues competitions cease to be the financial burden on the other 700+ clubs in the country and we can focus on creating what we have never had in this country, a true football pyramid from amateur to National NPL, all interconnected.... 

Well said.
It's very hard to put your finger on it, but it's pretty clear that we are now as far away from a real football comp as you can get.
And the fact that people keep mentioning the MLS as the gold standard for us to follow tells you a lot.
For example, this deal pretty much spells the end of ever having P&R, although it's hard to express in words why I think that is the case, but it just is.
All I can say is that things are set up for the investors, and more than likely, that means decisions which are not about football, or at least, do not have football as a priority.
People are hoping it means that a better football comp develops because  that will help the investors, but in truth, it's just as easy to mount the opposite argument (a la MLS).
In other words, investors trading in franchises and equity for the sole purpose of making money is NOT the same thing as creating a quality football comp.

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Well said.
It's very hard to put your finger on it, but it's pretty clear that we are now as far away from a real football comp as you can get.
And the fact that people keep mentioning the MLS as the gold standard for us to follow tells you a lot.
For example, this deal pretty much spells the end of ever having P&R, although it's hard to express in words why I think that is the case, but it just is.
All I can say is that things are set up for the investors, and more than likely, that means decisions which are not about football, or at least, do not have football as a priority.
People are hoping it means that a better football comp develops because  that will help the investors, but in truth, it's just as easy to mount the opposite argument (a la MLS).
In other words, investors trading in franchises and equity for the sole purpose of making money is NOT the same thing as creating a quality football comp.
Exactly right.
If my some miracle of miracles I am wrong and Silver Lake's $130 million investment goes towards building training grounds and stadiums for (even the Alegaue franchises) football this would be a great and glorious day for all of football indeed but as it stands.... Its no different than investing in bitcoin or shares or real-estate ... the product doesn't matter, just how much of a buck they can make from it... That, to me, is NOT a good result for the sport in this or any country. 


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bettega - 26 Oct 2021 11:05 AM
this deal pretty much spells the end of ever having P&R, although it's hard to express in words why I think that is the case, but it just is.

Frankly, that'd be due to them being an American consortium and therefore not culturally-inclined to make pro/rel a reality.



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bettega - 26 Oct 2021 11:05 AM

Frankly, that'd be due to them being an American consortium and therefore not culturally-inclined to make pro/rel a reality.

I'd imagine there'd be all sorts of assurances given to the owners of the clubs and this mob to 'protect' their investment in both directions.

I can't believe we sit here in 2021 still talking about, maybe, possibly, you never know P & R.

Fuck these fucking idiots.



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Munrubenmuz - 26 Oct 2021 12:45 PM
BA81 - 26 Oct 2021 11:59 AM

I'd imagine there'd be all sorts of assurances given to the owners of the clubs and this mob to 'protect' their investment in both directions.

I can't believe we sit here in 2021 still talking about, maybe, possibly, you never know P & R.

Fuck these fucking idiots.



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Mr Cleansheets - 26 Oct 2021 8:05 AM

Personal insults aside, are YOU not concerned that the opportunities for match fixing are now doubled if not tripled?
What would you call a so called "sporting competition" were franchises own a stake in each other, where one "club" effectively is financially in bed with a consortium that now owns 30% of the league??? I must be naïve but that, to me, is alarming. "MLS lite" is not the "golden standard" that will make our sport grow, make our playing pool better and create an environment where all Australians can enjoy and appreciate this glorious, beautiful game we all love. Even the yanks are starting to see the light and the grumbling from fans and clubs below the money tiers is growing ever louder over there... why must we look to one failing example instead of following the 200+ other , better examples of leagues around the world?

A-League or APL or Aleagues Men's, Women's and Children's or Isuzu Trucks event series or whatever they are now calling themselves may very well play the sport of football, however this is now, clearly, incidental as their goal (self declared by the way - just have look back at all of Lederer and Townsend's decelerations over the last few months) is to generate "content" for public consumption. A-League Franchises currently may very well PLAY football (currently) but they are NOT Football mate.

In truth, this is actually a great thing for real football in this country. It marks the "line in the sand" moment where the A-leagues competitions cease to be the financial burden on the other 700+ clubs in the country and we can focus on creating what we have never had in this country, a true football pyramid from amateur to National NPL, all interconnected.... 

In fact I agree with pretty much all of that, except the highlighted part.

I want nothing more than for football to be the best it can possibly be in this country and that absolutely requires the fully connected pyramid.

But don't tell a rusted on Mariners supporter, or Victory supporter or any other supporter who goes along to every match and experiences the oscillation of joy and grief that they're not watching (and part of) football.

As I've said before, one of the happiest days in my life will be when South are promoted on merit to the AL. Then we might agree.
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Mr Cleansheets - 26 Oct 2021 1:57 PM
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In fact I agree with pretty much all of that, except the highlighted part.

I want nothing more than for football to be the best it can possibly be in this country and that absolutely requires the fully connected pyramid.

But don't tell a rusted on Mariners supporter, or Victory supporter or any other supporter who goes along to every match and experiences the oscillation of joy and grief that they're not watching (and part of) football.

As I've said before, one of the happiest days in my life will be when South are promoted on merit to the AL. Then we might agree.

Mate, no beef whatsoever with the supporters of these clubs - especially the ones who have jumped on board with the surge of the sports popularity over the last 15 years... Anyone under the age of 30 or so who is an Aleague supporter, or even the new ones over that age that didnt follow the sport in this country before are well regarded in my books (as for the turncoats who abandoned their old NSL clubs to jump on board a new franchise .... well I think they are the lowest form of bandwagoner to be honest but thats their problem). Ofcourse these clubs have established rusted on support (even the newest abominations will over time I guess?) but that's not the issue here. In fact that is one of the few strength the Aleague brought, a whole bunch of people who engaged with a club and the sport of football who otherwise might not have.... 
The issue is that the APL and their new financial bedfellows are running the sport as a business, even in the darkest days of the NSL soccer was at the core of all issues. Fame and prestige (and political clout I suppose) from having a strong club, promoting their own agendas, being a celebrity in their own circles etc etc whatever the reason the previous Soccer Australia mob did all the ridiculously scandalous things they did it was always soccer at the heart of it.. When I hear the head of APL and the CEO of FA describe the sport I love as "content" I guess that just gets my goat.....
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Monoethnic Social Club - 26 Oct 2021 4:12 PM
When I hear the head of APL and the CEO of FA describe the sport I love as "content" I guess that just gets my goat.....

Modern football, modern football.  :laugh::hehe:   For the past 10 years global professional football is essentially a branding exercise that drives the business.  Sad, I know.   
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Modern football, modern football.  :laugh::hehe:   For the past 10 years global professional football is essentially a branding exercise that drives the business.  Sad, I know.   

I want to get an "Against Modern Football" T-shirt but dont have a pay pal account..... hahahahahahahahahahahah
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Mate, no beef whatsoever with the supporters of these clubs - especially the ones who have jumped on board with the surge of the sports popularity over the last 15 years... Anyone under the age of 30 or so who is an Aleague supporter, or even the new ones over that age that didnt follow the sport in this country before are well regarded in my books (as for the turncoats who abandoned their old NSL clubs to jump on board a new franchise .... well I think they are the lowest form of bandwagoner to be honest but thats their problem). Ofcourse these clubs have established rusted on support (even the newest abominations will over time I guess?) but that's not the issue here. In fact that is one of the few strength the Aleague brought, a whole bunch of people who engaged with a club and the sport of football who otherwise might not have.... 
The issue is that the APL and their new financial bedfellows are running the sport as a business, even in the darkest days of the NSL soccer was at the core of all issues. Fame and prestige (and political clout I suppose) from having a strong club, promoting their own agendas, being a celebrity in their own circles etc etc whatever the reason the previous Soccer Australia mob did all the ridiculously scandalous things they did it was always soccer at the heart of it.. When I hear the head of APL and the CEO of FA describe the sport I love as "content" I guess that just gets my goat.....

Well - I'm one of the turncoats. Lived in the inner west and went to Lambert Park to watch Apia and Leichhardt Oval for Balmain in the NSWRL - member of both at the time. Moved to the Central Coast in the mid eighties. Followed the local rep football sides then. My kids joined Gosford City Dragons, the Mariners were born, their Academy came along, the Central Coast Lightning reformed in the State League as Central Coast United.

My teams are now all Central Coast related but I still retain a soft spot for Apia.   

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Well - I'm one of the turncoats. Lived in the inner west and went to Lambert Park to watch Apia and Leichhardt Oval for Balmain in the NSWRL - member of both at the time. Moved to the Central Coast in the mid eighties. Followed the local rep football sides then. My kids joined Gosford City Dragons, the Mariners were born, their Academy came along, the Central Coast Lightning reformed in the State League as Central Coast United.

My teams are now all Central Coast related but I still retain a soft spot for Apia.   

To each their own. If that works for you then fair enough... Im not the arbiter of what makes a football fan or why. I picked a club (or to be honest was taken to one and that was it) as a wee lad and wherever I may live in the world that wont change... but thats me.  To be honest, I would be a little more annoyed if I was an APIA supporter and you, remaining in the inner west,  chose a club like Sydney FC or Wanderers just because a new shiny thing came around if that makes sense?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 26 Oct 2021 5:04 PM
patjennings - 26 Oct 2021 4:54 PM

To each their own. If that works for you then fair enough... Im not the arbiter of what makes a football fan or why. I picked a club (or to be honest was taken to one and that was it) as a wee lad and wherever I may live in the world that wont change... but thats me.  To be honest, I would be a little more annoyed if I was an APIA supporter and you, remaining in the inner west,  chose a club like Sydney FC or Wanderers just because a new shiny thing came around if that makes sense?

Absolutely, I would have stayed with Apia if that was the case. As it was Apia's keeper at one stage, Terry Greedy (ex-Socceroo and Mariners life member) ended up being the deputy principal at my son's school on the Coast. I'm pretty sure that Andrew Orsatti started at Apia as the 'orange boy' when Terry was there.  

When I was a wee lad my first match was Manchester City vs a NSW rep side in the early 1970s. Ron Corry was the only NSW player I can remember. So my first club would be Manchester City. No thanks!!
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Absolutely, I would have stayed with Apia if that was the case. As it was Apia's keeper at one stage, Terry Greedy (ex-Socceroo and Mariners life member) ended up being the deputy principal at my son's school on the Coast. I'm pretty sure that Andrew Orsatti started at Apia as the 'orange boy' when Terry was there.  

When I was a wee lad my first match was Manchester City vs a NSW rep side in the early 1970s. Ron Corry was the only NSW player I can remember. So my first club would be Manchester City. No thanks!!

It still amazes me that someone like Greedy was socceroos keeper and at the same time a school teacher, Paul Wade was a draughtsman I think ... they all had careers and soccer was a passion... 
Glad you didn't gel with the "Citizens" they are a special breed of people the lesser Mancs. 
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Absolutely, I would have stayed with Apia if that was the case. As it was Apia's keeper at one stage, Terry Greedy (ex-Socceroo and Mariners life member) ended up being the deputy principal at my son's school on the Coast. I'm pretty sure that Andrew Orsatti started at Apia as the 'orange boy' when Terry was there.  

When I was a wee lad my first match was Manchester City vs a NSW rep side in the early 1970s. Ron Corry was the only NSW player I can remember. So my first club would be Manchester City. No thanks!!
I've played against Terry numerous times in the O35 and O45s. I usually play left back but occasionally play in goals (where I played my highest level of football - level 3 state league and intervarsity). 

One day I was playing v Terry's team, and I think it was 1 v 2, when our keeper was injured so into goals I went. Five minutes later I pulled off one of the best saves of my life - a diving header from my blind side at which I instinctively flung myself (high to my left after moving right following the cross). I even managed to hold the ball.

Both teams gave me a stunned ovation (which was very cool - I was pretty stunned myself), but at half time Terry sought me out and told me it was one of the greatest saves he'd ever seen. I was a bit star-struck - even at 50-ish - and mumbled something in reply. What a top bloke to do that during a hard fought top of the table clash.


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I've played against Terry numerous times in the O35 and O45s. I usually play left back but occasionally play in goals (where I played my highest level of football - level 3 state league and intervarsity). 

One day I was playing v Terry's team, and I think it was 1 v 2, when our keeper was injured so into goals I went. Five minutes later I pulled off one of the best saves of my life - a diving header from my blind side at which I instinctively flung myself (high to my left after moving right following the cross). I even managed to hold the ball.

Both teams gave me a stunned ovation (which was very cool - I was pretty stunned myself), but at half time Terry sought me out and told me it was one of the greatest saves he'd ever seen. I was a bit star-struck - even at 50-ish - and mumbled something in reply. What a top bloke to do that during a hard fought top of the table clash.


Nice, well done, must have been a cracker to make Terry say that....
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Mr Cleansheets - 26 Oct 2021 1:57 PM

When I hear the head of APL and the CEO of FA describe the sport I love as "content" I guess that just gets my goat.....

Very  very  disappointing  isn't  it.

Is  that  how a  real  football  person  refers   to  our  great  game ?  


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Monoethnic Social Club - 26 Oct 2021 4:12 PM

Very  very  disappointing  isn't  it.

Is  that  how a  real  football  person  refers   to  our  great  game ?  


aha  can  you  explain  why  you  bother  with  the  double  spacing  thing?

Is it just because every word you write is so important to you that it needs a little room to breathe?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 26 Oct 2021 4:12 PM
Mr Cleansheets - 26 Oct 2021 1:57 PM

Mate, no beef whatsoever with the supporters of these clubs - especially the ones who have jumped on board with the surge of the sports popularity over the last 15 years... Anyone under the age of 30 or so who is an Aleague supporter, or even the new ones over that age that didnt follow the sport in this country before are well regarded in my books (as for the turncoats who abandoned their old NSL clubs to jump on board a new franchise .... well I think they are the lowest form of bandwagoner to be honest but thats their problem). Ofcourse these clubs have established rusted on support (even the newest abominations will over time I guess?) but that's not the issue here. In fact that is one of the few strength the Aleague brought, a whole bunch of people who engaged with a club and the sport of football who otherwise might not have.... 
The issue is that the APL and their new financial bedfellows are running the sport as a business, even in the darkest days of the NSL soccer was at the core of all issues. Fame and prestige (and political clout I suppose) from having a strong club, promoting their own agendas, being a celebrity in their own circles etc etc whatever the reason the previous Soccer Australia mob did all the ridiculously scandalous things they did it was always soccer at the heart of it.. When I hear the head of APL and the CEO of FA describe the sport I love as "content" I guess that just gets my goat.....

Again, I agree with (pretty much) all of that.

Money calls the tune everywhere, but an A-League club doesn't have to be your only club. I take an interest in a number of clubs but I'm also the sort of bloke who'll stop and watch a couple of kids kick a ball with jumpers as goalposts.
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Mr Cleansheets - 27 Oct 2021 6:36 PM
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Again, I agree with (pretty much) all of that.

Money calls the tune everywhere, but an A-League club doesn't have to be your only club. I take an interest in a number of clubs but I'm also the sort of bloke who'll stop and watch a couple of kids kick a ball with jumpers as goalposts.

I have  a few clubs around the world and locally I "follow"  too... I cant speak for all of us soccer tragics  but I would hazard that most of us were a step above our classmates in Geography at school?. Who else but the soccer nerds knew where the hell Lisbon,  Kiev and Dortmund were?  Hahah Everyone in my sphere has a favourite EPL club, German club, Italian club, Spanish club and Greek club etc etc. But there is nothing like your first true love, the club above all other clubs. The one you ride the highs and lows with over 40, 50, 60 years of your life.... , the one where as a grown  man you still stumble out of the gate after a heavy loss feeling like you've been through a colonoscopy. The club who's last minute winner actually causes your heart to skip a beat.....
Maybe I'm a sentimental old fool but money and marketing and artificial rivalry can't create that, and part of "that" hunger is what used to drive the kids with the ball and jumpers as goalposts..... Now those kids have all got one of the many CR7 club shirts (their poor parents have to fork out another $200 whenever the shampoo model changes clubs) and   $300 boots and they all do a special dance when they score .........  Money calls the tune mate, I just don't feel like dancing to it anymore :)
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I have  a few clubs around the world and locally I "follow"  too... I cant speak for all of us soccer tragics  but I would hazard that most of us were a step above our classmates in Geography at school?. Who else but the soccer nerds knew where the hell Lisbon,  Kiev and Dortmund were?  Hahah Everyone in my sphere has a favourite EPL club, German club, Italian club, Spanish club and Greek club etc etc. But there is nothing like your first true love, the club above all other clubs. The one you ride the highs and lows with over 40, 50, 60 years of your life.... , the one where as a grown  man you still stumble out of the gate after a heavy loss feeling like you've been through a colonoscopy. The club who's last minute winner actually causes your heart to skip a beat.....
Maybe I'm a sentimental old fool but money and marketing and artificial rivalry can't create that, and part of "that" hunger is what used to drive the kids with the ball and jumpers as goalposts..... Now those kids have all got one of the many CR7 club shirts (their poor parents have to fork out another $200 whenever the shampoo model changes clubs) and   $300 boots and they all do a special dance when they score .........  Money calls the tune mate, I just don't feel like dancing to it anymore :)

You got that one right, but I'm an old fool too.

But I'm smart enough to realise what another old fool sung 50 years ago

Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

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Monoethnic Social Club - 27 Oct 2021 10:15 PM

You got that one right, but I'm an old fool too.

But I'm smart enough to realise what another old fool sung 50 years ago

Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'
You really do have a beef with me huh, old timer? 

I prefer:

"Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right,
here I am stuck in the middle with you"

BTW, did you see the shampoo model kick a poor kid lying on the ground on Monday morning? What a grub huh Robert?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Oct 2021 11:12 AM
robbos - 28 Oct 2021 9:34 AM
You really do have a beef with me huh, old timer? 

I prefer:

"Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right,
here I am stuck in the middle with you"

BTW, did you see the shampoo model kick a poor kid lying on the ground on Monday morning? What a grub huh Robert?

No beef with you mate, maybe just see thing a little differently.

You mean Ronaldo, yeah not a good look, I've seen far worse from Maradona & he, Pele, Messi & Roanlado are the top 4 best players ever.
This is the first time I've really seen him lash out though in his career, was only a Liverpool player though, they do that at training.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Oct 2021 11:12 AM

No beef with you mate, maybe just see thing a little differently.

You mean Ronaldo, yeah not a good look, I've seen far worse from Maradona & he, Pele, Messi & Roanlado are the top 4 best players ever.
This is the first time I've really seen him lash out though in his career, was only a Liverpool player though, they do that at training.

Haahahaha watch Diego's last game for Barca in Spain (I think it was a cup game from memory) hahahahahha little bugger jumped straight up and karate kicked a player in the chest. HAHAHAAH mad bastard....
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Mr Cleansheets - 27 Oct 2021 6:36 PM

The one you ride the highs and lows with over 40, 50, 60 years of your life.... , the one where as a grown  man you still stumble out of the gate after a heavy loss feeling like you've been through a colonoscopy. The club who's last minute winner actually causes your heart to skip a beat.....


To be fair, the A-League has now being going longer than we probably realise.

15 odd years of following an A-League team has given all of us those feelings even if 20 years ago we followed, half followed or didn't follow another team. 

None of those feelings or emotions are different because my team's owners have changed or the league structure isn't exactly how some people do or don't prefer etc etc etc

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Monoethnic Social Club - 27 Oct 2021 10:15 PM

To be fair, the A-League has now being going longer than we probably realise.

15 odd years of following an A-League team has given all of us those feelings even if 20 years ago we followed, half followed or didn't follow another team. 

None of those feelings or emotions are different because my team's owners have changed or the league structure isn't exactly how some people do or don't prefer etc etc etc

But 15 years without ever experiencing
a relegation battle,
relegation itself or
The following Promotion tilt or
Promotion itself

Or even better, experiencing Victory getting relegated

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numklpkgulftumch - 28 Oct 2021 10:55 AM
Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 10:38 AM

But 15 years without ever experiencing
a relegation battle,
relegation itself or
The following Promotion tilt or
Promotion itself

Or even better, experiencing Victory getting relegated

Over the years on 442 I've come to realise I don't care about the machinations of football behind the scenes as much as others. I think the only people left on this forum are the ones who care too much about this stuff.

I'm not sure I have heard a single conversation about this stuff in the stands at Hindmarsh in 17 years.

I have watched and played the sport my whole life. Literally kicked a ball from when I could stand and I absolutely love going to a game, having a few beers, firing up and walking out laughing or swearing.

The rest is all bullshit and if it wasn't for the internet we'd all just be the one cranky bastard at every club who wants to chew your ear off once a fortnight at home games and puts his arm on you when he's doing it so you can't walk away aha

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Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 11:15 AM
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Over the years on 442 I've come to realise I don't care about the machinations of football behind the scenes as much as others. I think the only people left on this forum are the ones who care too much about this stuff.

I'm not sure I have heard a single conversation about this stuff in the stands at Hindmarsh in 17 years.

I have watched and played the sport my whole life. Literally kicked a ball from when I could stand and I absolutely love going to a game, having a few beers, firing up and walking out laughing or swearing.

The rest is all bullshit and if it wasn't for the internet we'd all just be the one cranky bastard at every club who wants to chew your ear off once a fortnight at home games and puts his arm on you when he's doing it so you can't walk away aha

Hahahahah fair enough.  Do you think the conversation in Hindmarsh may change if/when Silverlake decide that the current Aleague clubs are not appealing enough to their massive overseas target market and they need to introduce a whole new set of "clubs" to Australia .... It's all "bullshit" to you my friend because you have a club you have hitched your wagon to in the top flight. My club can NEVER join....
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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Oct 2021 11:29 AM
Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 11:15 AM

Hahahahah fair enough.  Do you think the conversation in Hindmarsh may change if/when Silverlake decide that the current Aleague clubs are not appealing enough to their massive overseas target market and they need to introduce a whole new set of "clubs" to Australia .... It's all "bullshit" to you my friend because you have a club you have hitched your wagon to in the top flight. My club can NEVER join....

...and if South ever "bought a license" it wouldn't be long before you started to care less about the Knights or Carlton SC not being there...

Anyway, I don't think the closed shop is a good system and I am 100% all for clubs like SM being in the league whichever way that happens.

I'm just saying that a lot of people don't care about the politics and you admit yourself half of South's fans jumped ship anyway and obviously don't care about the politics either.

I dare say most sports fans just enjoy watching the sport they love and only have a passing interest in league structures etc etc
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Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 11:49 AM
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...and if South ever "bought a license" it wouldn't be long before you started to care less about the Knights or Carlton SC not being there...

Anyway, I don't think the closed shop is a good system and I am 100% all for clubs like SM being in the league whichever way that happens.

I'm just saying that a lot of people don't care about the politics and you admit yourself half of South's fans jumped ship anyway and obviously don't care about the politics either.

I dare say most sports fans just enjoy watching the sport they love and only have a passing interest in league structures etc etc

Well I guess we can cross that bridge if it ever happens ..... :P


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Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 11:49 AM
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...and if South ever "bought a license" it wouldn't be long before you started to care less about the Knights or Carlton SC not being there...

Anyway, I don't think the closed shop is a good system and I am 100% all for clubs like SM being in the league whichever way that happens.

I'm just saying that a lot of people don't care about the politics and you admit yourself half of South's fans jumped ship anyway and obviously don't care about the politics either.

I dare say most sports fans just enjoy watching the sport they love and only have a passing interest in league structures etc etc

Exactly, John Oliver an British comedian TV host on American TV prior to the 2014 WC said on American TV.
'Awarding the WC to Qatar would be similar to hosting the next Super Bowl in swimming pool, all us football fans hate it, but next week the WC in Brazil starts & we will all be glued to it, because we all love the Football but hate the Politics'.


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Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 10:38 AM
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To be fair, the A-League has now being going longer than we probably realise.

15 odd years of following an A-League team has given all of us those feelings even if 20 years ago we followed, half followed or didn't follow another team. 

None of those feelings or emotions are different because my team's owners have changed or the league structure isn't exactly how some people do or don't prefer etc etc etc

Bang on, as I said above:
"Mate, no beef whatsoever with the supporters of these clubs - especially the ones who have jumped on board with the surge of the sports popularity over the last 15 years... Anyone under the age of 30 or so who is an Aleague supporter, or even the new ones over that age that didnt follow the sport in this country before are well regarded in my books"
Whatever your reasons for being "rusted on" all of them are valid, even the ones like you say that left their NSL clubs to follow the shiny new toy (as much as I personally dont understand them I dont think they are less passionate about their club than I am mine.)
My point is that being rusted on should mean that you see the club as more than just a provider of "content". What the lads or lasses play out on the pitch is the embodiment of our passion as fans NOT a sitcom or a reality show for Investors to monetize.... Club passion (and I agree with you, in 15-20 years time these ALeague clubs will be just like normal ones to their fans) is something that I believe is lacking in our sport here in Australia and what is needed as a driver to increase its growth and popularity .... leading to a better outcome as a nation in football. Artificial rivalries, slick social media marketing and being locked away in a super league, closed off, plastic (for lack of a better word) league will not achieve those goals ... in my eyes anyway.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Oct 2021 11:01 AM
Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 10:38 AM

Bang on, as I said above:
"Mate, no beef whatsoever with the supporters of these clubs - especially the ones who have jumped on board with the surge of the sports popularity over the last 15 years... Anyone under the age of 30 or so who is an Aleague supporter, or even the new ones over that age that didnt follow the sport in this country before are well regarded in my books"
Whatever your reasons for being "rusted on" all of them are valid, even the ones like you say that left their NSL clubs to follow the shiny new toy (as much as I personally dont understand them I dont think they are less passionate about their club than I am mine.)
My point is that being rusted on should mean that you see the club as more than just a provider of "content". What the lads or lasses play out on the pitch is the embodiment of our passion as fans NOT a sitcom or a reality show for Investors to monetize.... Club passion (and I agree with you, in 15-20 years time these ALeague clubs will be just like normal ones to their fans) is something that I believe is lacking in our sport here in Australia and what is needed as a driver to increase its growth and popularity .... leading to a better outcome as a nation in football. Artificial rivalries, slick social media marketing and being locked away in a super league, closed off, plastic (for lack of a better word) league will not achieve those goals ... in my eyes anyway.

But the ones that talk about content are the suits in the offices. Who cares?

Coaches, players and fans don't call it content.

I bet you anything the nsl suits talked in similar terms when they were trying to get tv deals etc
We just hear more from the executives now because we sometimes make the papers or there are online publications unlike 20 years ago.
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Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 11:04 AM
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But the ones that talk about content are the suits in the offices. Who cares?

Coaches, players and fans don't call it content.

I bet you anything the nsl suits talked in similar terms when they were trying to get tv deals etc
We just hear more from the executives now because we sometimes make the papers or there are online publications unlike 20 years ago.

Thats fair I guess. Maybe if Hellas was still in the top flight it wouldn't bug me as much, Im willing to concede that. 
In my hazy, at best, memory it seemed like the importance was on making the clubs themselves more "mainstream" friendly and all marketing efforts (along with the "White Australia policy" like whitewashing of the club's identities) were aimed at making it more inclusive, NOT less so. 
Anyway, its done now, APL has sold off the top league to these instagram social media influencers. Good luck with them uniting all of the football fans in Australia.....
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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Oct 2021 11:20 AM
Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 11:04 AM

Thats fair I guess. Maybe if Hellas was still in the top flight it wouldn't bug me as much, Im willing to concede that. 
In my hazy, at best, memory it seemed like the importance was on making the clubs themselves more "mainstream" friendly and all marketing efforts (along with the "White Australia policy" like whitewashing of the club's identities) were aimed at making it more inclusive, NOT less so. 
Anyway, its done now, APL has sold off the top league to these instagram social media influencers. Good luck with them uniting all of the football fans in Australia.....

Yeah I agree re my main memories were of clubs trying to become more mainstream.

On your last point, it's never gonna happen. Football fans here will never ever be united.

We could start p/r tomorrow and the majority of "football fans" in Australia would still look down on us as being not as good as Liverpool (or whoever is winning that decade).

That was the same in the NSL as it is today and it will be forever. They are the true plastics.
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Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 11:24 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Oct 2021 11:20 AM

Yeah I agree re my main memories were of clubs trying to become more mainstream.

On your last point, it's never gonna happen. Football fans here will never ever be united.

We could start p/r tomorrow and the majority of "football fans" in Australia would still look down on us as being not as good as Liverpool (or whoever is winning that decade).

That was the same in the NSL as it is today and it will be forever. They are the true plastics.

Thats another issue ALL TOGETHER mate...I agree.. Im a Liverpool fan too, have been since the days of Barnes and Rush and Beardsley but always just a "fan" from afar.... What I watched on the park at Middle Park (and Jesus some of the dross served up in the last few years at Lakeside in the NPL...OMFG) had nothing to do with how I perceived the league... I would watch 11 players on crutches loose 14 nil every week, as long as they are wearing South jerseys :)
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I see why you call yourself mono...

I actually find your repartee insightful and amusing most of the time but it must be exhausting trying to convince yourself the A-League isn't football.

HE is like those nuts on Youtube ranting about how Star Trek invented after 1970 isnt ctualy Star Trek as all.... Most of whom weren't alive in 1970.
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Mr Cleansheets - 26 Oct 2021 8:05 AM

HE is like those nuts on Youtube ranting about how Star Trek invented after 1970 isnt ctualy Star Trek as all.... Most of whom weren't alive in 1970.

Who the f@ck watches Star Trek?.??? Is this meant to be some sort of weird plastic insult?  
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So  the  league  that  the  FFA  built  from  scratch  in  just 15 years,  even  after  Covid,  is still  by my  calculations   valued  in  the   vicinity  of half  a  Billion  dollars ? (based on   this  sale)

Wow. 





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Very happy with the cash injection but suspect there won't be much (if any) useful money for the clubs.

Certainly a bit for the APL and I really do hope a lot is spent on building that media capacity for generating content. Despite the lowliness of our league (by world standards) my understanding is that it is broadcast in some 70 - 80 countries, or at least it was. Maybe that's where Silver Lake see the growth potential?

It won't build a stadium for the Mariners though... or even help negotiate a lease with CC Council.
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Mr Cleansheets - 25 Oct 2021 7:40 PM
Very happy with the cash injection but suspect there won't be much (if any) useful money for the clubs.

Certainly a bit for the APL and I really do hope a lot is spent on building that media capacity for generating content. Despite the lowliness of our league (by world standards) my understanding is that it is broadcast in some 70 - 80 countries, or at least it was. Maybe that's where Silver Lake see the growth potential?

It won't build a stadium for the Mariners though... or even help negotiate a lease with CC Council.

The NZ rights generate bugger all, and they actually have a team in the comp!
Hard to imagine anyone anywhere paying more than that (pretty sure the return is about as close to zero as you can possibly get).

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The NZ rights generate bugger all, and they actually have a team in the comp!
Hard to imagine anyone anywhere paying more than that (pretty sure the return is about as close to zero as you can possibly get).

Which is why i think Marquees will be a part of their strategy to grow the league. No one overseas gives a toss about watching Australian players develop. They do however care about big name players. When we had ADP our Italian viewership went up for example. It dropped as soon as he left which is why you need to have them consistently. MLS grew their international audience through Zlatan, Gerrard, Rooney, Beckham, Lampard, etc

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The key is investing in long term assets not for paying ongoing bills over the next couple of years...
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Given Silver lake are content drivers... I would have through having a second div and P & R would drive content... 

Maybe its just me, but they are investing in the league not clubs... therefore the bigger the league gets the more their investment will grow...

It is not clear either way... if they are3 anti P & R... 
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Midfielder - 26 Oct 2021 12:58 PM
Given Silver lake are content drivers... I would have through having a second div and P & R would drive content... 

Maybe its just me, but they are investing in the league not clubs... therefore the bigger the league gets the more their investment will grow...

It is not clear either way... if they are3 anti P & R... 

Tell you what mate, maybe you are correct but I really don't think so.
I read your comments about having an insider in Channel 10 or was it CBS? Why dont you pose the question:
"When do you plan to implement a national second division?
and when they inevitably reply with the same old "no money" line ask:
"Well what else is the 130 million going to be used for?"
I think youll get the answers you seek :)


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Midfielder - 26 Oct 2021 12:58 PM

Tell you what mate, maybe you are correct but I really don't think so.
I read your comments about having an insider in Channel 10 or was it CBS? Why dont you pose the question:
"When do you plan to implement a national second division?
and when they inevitably reply with the same old "no money" line ask:
"Well what else is the 130 million going to be used for?"
I think youll get the answers you seek :)


Isn't that a question for the FA?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 26 Oct 2021 1:07 PM
Midfielder - 26 Oct 2021 12:58 PM

Tell you what mate, maybe you are correct but I really don't think so.
I read your comments about having an insider in Channel 10 or was it CBS? Why dont you pose the question:
"When do you plan to implement a national second division?
and when they inevitably reply with the same old "no money" line ask:
"Well what else is the 130 million going to be used for?"
I think youll get the answers you seek :)


Just to confirm, he is not a Ch 10 or CBS employee... he is a sports journalist [mostly written / online] and has a lot of connections across all FTA networks.... like most sports journalist today he has to be across two to three codes ... 

He said he was / is astounded at the effort 10 are putting in and the drive and commitment they have towards making Football work for 10... he went so far as to say 10 have poached a couple of staff from 9 & 7 in certain areas... to help it work..

He gave the impression the effort being put in by 10 is kinda a surprise to many... outside 10...
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Midfielder - 26 Oct 2021 1:39 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 26 Oct 2021 1:07 PM

Just to confirm, he is not a Ch 10 or CBS employee... he is a sports journalist [mostly written / online] and has a lot of connections across all FTA networks.... like most sports journalist today he has to be across two to three codes ... 

He said he was / is astounded at the effort 10 are putting in and the drive and commitment they have towards making Football work for 10... he went so far as to say 10 have poached a couple of staff from 9 & 7 in certain areas... to help it work..

He gave the impression the effort being put in by 10 is kinda a surprise to many... outside 10...

Thanks for the reply. Maybe you should ask him the question anyway... It would be good if a journalist asked the questions we all want answers too and not just helping perpetuate the myth that "all is well" with football in this country?
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Hedge funds don't like P&R.  It's never going to happen. Ever. 
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ErogenousZone - 26 Oct 2021 1:22 PM
Hedge funds don't like P&R.  It's never going to happen. Ever. 

They'll own 30% of the comp, whoevers competing in it.

What if they get to own 30% of 2 divisions that more people are interested in?

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numklpkgulftumch - 26 Oct 2021 1:37 PM
ErogenousZone - 26 Oct 2021 1:22 PM

They'll own 30% of the comp, whoevers competing in it.

What if they get to own 30% of 2 divisions that more people are interested in?

Let's think about from a pure investment vehicle perspective.  Hedge funds buy football clubs for example in order to increase their value over a specified or unspecified period of time. The A League certainly has growth potential ( again, purely from a money pov ) however if the 2nd Division was added & if P&R was added would it offer the same scope for a growth in value?  And let's be honest here, does a 2nd Division offer enough interest from a ratings, fans, sponsorship, clicks & ad revenue point of view to really be able to team it to your primary investment vehicle ( the A League,Socceroos,Matilda's ) to get something out of it?  I'm sceptical however happy to be proven wrong.   
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numklpkgulftumch - 26 Oct 2021 1:37 PM

Let's think about from a pure investment vehicle perspective.  Hedge funds buy football clubs for example in order to increase their value over a specified or unspecified period of time. The A League certainly has growth potential ( again, purely from a money pov ) however if the 2nd Division was added & if P&R was added would it offer the same scope for a growth in value?  And let's be honest here, does a 2nd Division offer enough interest from a ratings, fans, sponsorship, clicks & ad revenue point of view to really be able to team it to your primary investment vehicle ( the A League,Socceroos,Matilda's ) to get something out of it?  I'm sceptical however happy to be proven wrong.   

It's important to remember that if/when the 2nd Div is introduced, it will not be owned or operated by the APL in any way shape or form. It will be solely a FA product. That may change at some point in the future, but the current direction is that the FA will own and operate the second division. That means it will essentially be a not-for-profit just like the A-League was prior to it's recent independence. That means that investment into the 2nd div will only really come from sponsorship, government grants and broadcast deals. 
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Let's think about from a pure investment vehicle perspective.  Hedge funds buy football clubs for example in order to increase their value over a specified or unspecified period of time. The A League certainly has growth potential ( again, purely from a money pov ) however if the 2nd Division was added & if P&R was added would it offer the same scope for a growth in value?  And let's be honest here, does a 2nd Division offer enough interest from a ratings, fans, sponsorship, clicks & ad revenue point of view to really be able to team it to your primary investment vehicle ( the A League,Socceroos,Matilda's ) to get something out of it?  I'm sceptical however happy to be proven wrong.   

Most AL fixtures after the halfway point of the Season are dead rubbers. Very little interest value.

P/R changes all that, regardless of the quality of A2

In theory Silverwater don't care who gets relegated.  The individual owners are the scaredy cats

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numklpkgulftumch - 26 Oct 2021 6:21 PM

Most AL fixtures after the halfway point of the Season are dead rubbers. Very little interest value.

P/R changes all that, regardless of the quality of A2

In theory Silverwater don't care who gets relegated.  The individual owners are the scaredy cats

It only takes 3 clubs to agree with CFG/Silverwater.

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numklpkgulftumch - 26 Oct 2021 6:24 PM

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It only takes 3 clubs to agree with CFG/Silverwater.

If I were one of the big clubs, I would be an advocate of pro-rel. There's no chance they'll ever get relegated (well, there was Victory last season, but if relegation was on the cards you'd think they'd pull out all stops to avoid it rather than wallow in the mediocrity), they don't have to carry water for clubs that aren't performing (e.g. Mariners in the past, Newcastle now), and they get to mix it up a bit in terms of which lower clubs they play, which should help retain fan interest. What's not to like?

And if I were one of the smaller clubs, I could potentially see the upside, as long as there is a functioning second division to drop down to. Instead of playing like shit every year and having no prospect of winning the league, gradually alienating their fanbase in the process, they get to experience the highs and lows of relegation followed by a winning season to win back a spot amongst the big boys.

With the dilution of the salary cap, the gap between the bigger and smaller clubs will only grow wider. But this is not such a bad thing (for one it will improve our competitiveness in Asia). The prize that the smaller clubs should go after is not winning the league, but being in the league.
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If I were one of the big clubs, I would be an advocate of pro-rel. There's no chance they'll ever get relegated (well, there was Victory last season, but if relegation was on the cards you'd think they'd pull out all stops to avoid it rather than wallow in the mediocrity), they don't have to carry water for clubs that aren't performing (e.g. Mariners in the past, Newcastle now), and they get to mix it up a bit in terms of which lower clubs they play, which should help retain fan interest. What's not to like?

And if I were one of the smaller clubs, I could potentially see the upside, as long as there is a functioning second division to drop down to. Instead of playing like shit every year and having no prospect of winning the league, gradually alienating their fanbase in the process, they get to experience the highs and lows of relegation followed by a winning season to win back a spot amongst the big boys.

With the dilution of the salary cap, the gap between the bigger and smaller clubs will only grow wider. But this is not such a bad thing (for one it will improve our competitiveness in Asia). The prize that the smaller clubs should go after is not winning the league, but being in the league.

Victory in a relegation battle would have made last season interesting

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Funny thing is when Adelaide City collapsed and United was formed I don't remember any of these arguments.

To be fair I was pretty out of the loop so maybe South fans were giving it to United fans for being plastic but the crowd in that first United season was full of Adelaide City fans and it was accepted that people would watch the local team that was in the top flight. 

I guess back then there wasn't social media  to stir up divides between everyone in society aha 
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Davide82 - 28 Oct 2021 10:48 AM
Funny thing is when Adelaide City collapsed and United was formed I don't remember any of these arguments.

To be fair I was pretty out of the loop so maybe South fans were giving it to United fans for being plastic but the crowd in that first United season was full of Adelaide City fans and it was accepted that people would watch the local team that was in the top flight. 

I guess back then there wasn't social media  to stir up divides between everyone in society aha 

Don't know if its an Adelaide different to Melbourne thing but there where hundreds if not thousands of Hellas fans that abandoned ship two years later to jump on the McVictory bandwagon.
What is really disgusting, in my opinion, is that these very same apostates are the most rabid anti South Melbourne people out there. Every time the club tries to "lift it's head" in any meaningful way, they are the first to shout it down with cries of "monoethnic this" "your living in the past  that" and "evil ethnic hooliganism the other" 
Having the club I have followed since the cradle hated by fans around Australia is totally irrelevant to me and many others, even the new dawners who hate us even though they are not sure why. Its this self-loathing hate/guilt by former Hellas supporters that is the most disappointing and something created by one shopping centre owner's bitterness and greed ... no other reason.
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As you might have realized, soccer in Australia is similar to the North American leagues. The A-League is a closed championship (no relegation or promotion) of 11 Australian clubs and one New Zealand club. The tournament consists of two parts: regular season and knockout matches. The regular season winner is named Premier, and the play-off winner is named Champion. And what it says on the site, I think it's a fantastic opportunity to try something new. And my business will remain to bet on matches at https://1bonzaspins.com/ and to make money.
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RacavyMilten - 17 Aug 2022 4:48 AM
As you might have realized, soccer in Australia is similar to the North American leagues. The A-League is a closed championship (no relegation or promotion) of 11 Australian clubs and one New Zealand club.

Please set your bots to use Australian English on this site.  "Realise."

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I   would    like   to  know   what   they   have   done   with   all   the   money ??
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I   would    like   to  know   what   they   have   done   with   all   the   money ??

Heard they are building the Stadium and two storey headquarters for Western Utd.
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Remote Control - 17 Aug 2022 11:24 AM
I   would    like   to  know   what   they   have   done   with   all   the   money ??

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. 
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In   fairness  ,   they   did   have  an  a- league  "All   stars "   game ,  didn' t   they ?
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Remote Control - 17 Aug 2022 2:35 PM
In   fairness  ,   they   did   have  an  a- league  "All   stars "   game ,  didn' t   they ?

Yes, Popovic was the manager.
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Yes, Popovic was the manager.

Is   he   American  ?
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Remote Control - 17 Aug 2022 6:36 PM
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Is   he   American  ?

Yes he was manger of Tom Brady's team n the NFL as well. He was known as Popovich back then.
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Ah,  that   would   make   complete    sense   then ... thank  you
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Silverlake now own 15%:of CFG

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So   an   entity   that   owns   30%   of  the   league   now   owns   15%   of   one   of   the   teams   in   it ?
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So where has all the Silverlake money gone ?

$140 million in and now the cupboard is bare
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numklpkgulftumch - 20 Mar 2024 11:21 AM
So where has all the Silverlake money gone ?

$140 million in and now the cupboard is bare

What does everyone reckon,  Fall guys or tying up loose ends ?


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Dec 2022 :- 

Global Advance: Challenging the duopoly

“NEP and Gravity Media are both very well-run, established production services companies,” said Hogg about the existing production outsourcing giants.
“Chris and I thought that duopoly could be shaken up a bit. 

We don’t need to dominate the sector to derive a solid return on capital.

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Hogg finished with, “GA is here to stay, our investment will significantly shift in the next twelve months as we grow market share. We don’t need to be the biggest, but we certainly want to be the best.

https://www.mediaweek.com.au/global-advance-wants-to-disrupt-tv-production-outsourcing-says-ian-hogg/

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How do you burn through $140 million in 3 years?



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Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2024 10:45 AM
How do you burn through $140 million in 3 years?



Pay a dividend to every club. Spend $60 million on a website.


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Munrubenmuz - 29 Mar 2024 2:05 PM
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Pay a dividend to every club. Spend $60 million on a website.

And redundancies :) 

Love Football

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Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2024 10:45 AM
How do you burn through $140 million in 3 years?



Don't forget the $12million for the Grand Final/Unite Round in Sydney.
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                                         So the league that the FFA built from scratch in just 15...
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