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+x+x"Johnson clarified that discussions had yet to even commence on which entities would fill the second tier. "We're not into [discussions on entrant clubs] at the moment," he said. "We're literally looking at what the model will look like, what the number of matches would be, what the format is, what the governance structure would look like, and where in the calendar this competition would sit. "We've got to settle on those items first. We've got to decide on the model and then we can have a conversation on what kind of teams could participate."
It's amazing how you can say exactly the same thing for 7 years without actually doing anything. That is just a perfect example of corporate bullshit and how to kick the can down the road. Pathetic. Absolutely, mind numbingly pathetic. What do you want them to do? Shouldn't they figure out the model first before figuring which clubs would be a part of it?
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+x+x+x"Johnson clarified that discussions had yet to even commence on which entities would fill the second tier. "We're not into [discussions on entrant clubs] at the moment," he said. "We're literally looking at what the model will look like, what the number of matches would be, what the format is, what the governance structure would look like, and where in the calendar this competition would sit. "We've got to settle on those items first. We've got to decide on the model and then we can have a conversation on what kind of teams could participate."
It's amazing how you can say exactly the same thing for 7 years without actually doing anything. That is just a perfect example of corporate bullshit and how to kick the can down the road. Pathetic. Absolutely, mind numbingly pathetic. What do you want them to do? Shouldn't they figure out the model first before figuring which clubs would be a part of it? Sure. But set a timeline and get it done. Do you see a timeline there? Fucks sake that's how they put a man on the moon.
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+x+x+x"Johnson clarified that discussions had yet to even commence on which entities would fill the second tier. "We're not into [discussions on entrant clubs] at the moment," he said. "We're literally looking at what the model will look like, what the number of matches would be, what the format is, what the governance structure would look like, and where in the calendar this competition would sit. "We've got to settle on those items first. We've got to decide on the model and then we can have a conversation on what kind of teams could participate."
It's amazing how you can say exactly the same thing for 7 years without actually doing anything. That is just a perfect example of corporate bullshit and how to kick the can down the road. Pathetic. Absolutely, mind numbingly pathetic. What do you want them to do? Shouldn't they figure out the model first before figuring which clubs would be a part of it? "then we can have a conversation on what kind of teams could participate"
I think you mean what "kind" of teams "can" participate ..... Its all there mate, read between the lines. My prediction is extended NPL finals series for the next few years while the sell off a few A2 league licenses to "geographically significant catchment area consortiums". Get ready for "the Cairns Cyclones vs the Darwin Devil Dogs playing for the A2 toilet bowl trophy ... Only on Paramount+" .... In between Seinfeld re-runs in a few summers.
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+x+x+x"Johnson clarified that discussions had yet to even commence on which entities would fill the second tier. "We're not into [discussions on entrant clubs] at the moment," he said. "We're literally looking at what the model will look like, what the number of matches would be, what the format is, what the governance structure would look like, and where in the calendar this competition would sit. "We've got to settle on those items first. We've got to decide on the model and then we can have a conversation on what kind of teams could participate."
It's amazing how you can say exactly the same thing for 7 years without actually doing anything. That is just a perfect example of corporate bullshit and how to kick the can down the road. Pathetic. Absolutely, mind numbingly pathetic. What do you want them to do? Shouldn't they figure out the model first before figuring which clubs would be a part of it? Simply email all current NPL clubs and potential start-ups: we are thinking of starting a comp next year, it would require you to spend roughly X in estimated travel costs on top of your normal grounds and salary costs. Can you afford this without any additional funding from the FFA/APL and are you interested? If you only get 12 responses, that's the comp. If you get 14, that's your comp. Same with any number between 10-20. If you get too many then you can weedle them down (what a joyous problem to have!); if you don't get enough (unlikely) then we go back to the drawing board but only if we get to there. The alternative that we are currently doing is to arbitrarily define what the comp should be in terms of desired salary caps, crowds, salary and the like we can somehow get there. It's all backwards. The urgency to consolidate the second tier of players means we should just make a comp with what we have got/what we can.
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+x+x+x+x"Johnson clarified that discussions had yet to even commence on which entities would fill the second tier. "We're not into [discussions on entrant clubs] at the moment," he said. "We're literally looking at what the model will look like, what the number of matches would be, what the format is, what the governance structure would look like, and where in the calendar this competition would sit. "We've got to settle on those items first. We've got to decide on the model and then we can have a conversation on what kind of teams could participate."
It's amazing how you can say exactly the same thing for 7 years without actually doing anything. That is just a perfect example of corporate bullshit and how to kick the can down the road. Pathetic. Absolutely, mind numbingly pathetic. What do you want them to do? Shouldn't they figure out the model first before figuring which clubs would be a part of it? "then we can have a conversation on what kind of teams could participate"
I think you mean what "kind" of teams "can" participate ..... Its all there mate, read between the lines. My prediction is extended NPL finals series for the next few years while the sell off a few A2 league licenses to "geographically significant catchment area consortiums". Get ready for "the Cairns Cyclones vs the Darwin Devil Dogs playing for the A2 toilet bowl trophy ... Only on Paramount+" .... In between Seinfeld re-runs in a few summers. Yeh, it sort of is all there, and has been seen the governance re-structure (and of course, before that). We are going to follow the MLS model. Let me re-phrase, we have been following the MLS model and that is set to continue for a long, long time.
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Lots more happening in this space.
APL announces strategic study on increasing AL from 12 to 14 to 16 teams.
FA comes out with two models for a NSD a few days prior.
So lots of talk in the backrooms, I'd say a lot of strategic conversation and decision making has already been done amongst the faceless men in the backrooms.
Just need some research to support those decisions already made.
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Any time this topic comes up, inevitably those in power talk about the different models which exist around the world.
That's code for: we are sticking with the MLS closed shop model.
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Correct Bettega.
Lets also not forget MLS rejected a $400Million a year TV deal if they instituted promotion and relegation.
MLS knocked it back. What does that tell us?
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+xCorrect Bettega. Lets also not forget MLS rejected a $400Million a year TV deal if they instituted promotion and relegation. MLS knocked it back. What does that tell us? Lol. Is that right? Do you have a link for that. Would love to read about that.
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+xLots more happening in this space. APL announces strategic study on increasing AL from 12 to 14 to 16 teams. FA comes out with two models for a NSD a few days prior. So lots of talk in the backrooms, I'd say a lot of strategic conversation and decision making has already been done amongst the faceless men in the backrooms. Just need some research to support those decisions already made. Sounds like more talk. Actually need to see it happening - teams, dates, format, etc.
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+x+xCorrect Bettega. Lets also not forget MLS rejected a $400Million a year TV deal if they instituted promotion and relegation. MLS knocked it back. What does that tell us? Lol. Is that right? Do you have a link for that. Would love to read about that. https://worldsoccertalk.com/2017/07/24/mls-will-hurt-growth-of-us-soccer-by-rejecting-4-billion-tv-offer-and-promotion-relegation/Arthur is bang on Muz, just undersold the offer by 3.1 BILLION though :)
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what makes it worse in the big picture for me is the closed shop argumentative devotees here........ They should be standing up for the big picture as well. Yet they moan groan of our NT performances to date - arnie this arnie that but in the big picture its the cattle full stop period. Oh hang on Atkinson Tilios are coming, charge of the light brigade - yes they are good promising players and how many have we seen over the last decade. Any decent product has to make it OS not here but its all become cussy here now to stay. We've seen and heard all this before.
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Just laughing at what a bunch of clowns they are. No different from here though. Same mindset.
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+x+xLots more happening in this space. APL announces strategic study on increasing AL from 12 to 14 to 16 teams. FA comes out with two models for a NSD a few days prior. So lots of talk in the backrooms, I'd say a lot of strategic conversation and decision making has already been done amongst the faceless men in the backrooms. Just need some research to support those decisions already made. Sounds like more talk. Actually need to see it happening - teams, dates, format, etc. Yes. And notice that whenever the subject comes up FA/ JJ seem vague & refer to "ideas" of a national second "tier" (not division), and "different models" , conferences , play-offs etc
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I was bang on the money $400Million a YEAR! MLS rebuffs rich offer tied to relegationMP & Silva would pay $4B for 10-year global media rights deal, but league isn’t interested https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2017/07/24/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/MLS.aspx
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Correct Arthur, I was agreeing with your point. Tongue in cheek that "4 Billion" sounds more impressive than 400 million a year...,,
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+xwhat makes it worse in the big picture for me is the closed shop argumentative devotees here........ They should be standing up for the big picture as well. Yet they moan groan of our NT performances to date - arnie this arnie that but in the big picture its the cattle full stop period. Oh hang on Atkinson Tilios are coming, charge of the light brigade - yes they are good promising players and how many have we seen over the last decade. Any decent product has to make it OS not here but its all become cussy here now to stay. We've seen and heard all this before. Mate, no disrespect intended at all but the closed shop wouldn't exist if some people didn't support it and actually want it to be that way.... People that buy into the whole MLS lite thing you guys have got going here seem to really want to keep it that way. Not 100% sure why but I suspect it's because there is always another "New dawn" on the way...... Anyway, looks like AAFC plan of uniting all,of soccer died on the vine like everything else in this country. Expansion coming soon in the Aleague and like Midfielder keeps on wishing for, we'll get to that magical number of 32 franchises like all US sports and then they start shuffling licenses from one foreign consortium to another, why relegate when you can take a license away and resell it to the next schmuk... Every single dollar you all give these foreigners is another nail in the coffin for Soccer in Australia .... ohhh BTW can't wait till the 'Muricans start marketing the sport as Soccer again , the "ourists" will loose their minds......
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+xCorrect Arthur, I was agreeing with your point. Tongue in cheek that "4 Billion" sounds more impressive than 400 million a year...,, That guy was a shyster who did not actually have the money he was offering, and only did it as a ruse to try to get the team he owned (Miami FC) into MLS instead of Beckham's team. They were right to turn it down and will probably get more money per year with a reputable media company in their next deal.
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+xLots more happening in this space. APL announces strategic study on increasing AL from 12 to 14 to 16 teams. FA comes out with two models for a NSD a few days prior. So lots of talk in the backrooms, I'd say a lot of strategic conversation and decision making has already been done amongst the faceless men in the backrooms. Just need some research to support those decisions already made. This kind of makes sense though: A-League expansion for slots 13-16 can focus on regional areas that aren't well represented by NPL (Canberra, Hobart, Auckland, etc.) while the NSD can gather together the best existing NPL sides into a national structure. Once both are bedded down then pro-rel becomes viable. I wish they would be more upfront and transparent about the process, and that they would commit to a nationwide division rather than some kind of conference scheme, but I'm confident that we're closer now to an actual football pyramid than this country has ever been before.
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+x+xwhat makes it worse in the big picture for me is the closed shop argumentative devotees here........ They should be standing up for the big picture as well. Yet they moan groan of our NT performances to date - arnie this arnie that but in the big picture its the cattle full stop period. Oh hang on Atkinson Tilios are coming, charge of the light brigade - yes they are good promising players and how many have we seen over the last decade. Any decent product has to make it OS not here but its all become cussy here now to stay. We've seen and heard all this before. Mate, no disrespect intended at all but the closed shop wouldn't exist if some people didn't support it and actually want it to be that way.... People that buy into the whole MLS lite thing you guys have got going here seem to really want to keep it that way. Not 100% sure why but I suspect it's because there is always another "New dawn" on the way...... Anyway, looks like AAFC plan of uniting all,of soccer died on the vine like everything else in this country. Expansion coming soon in the Aleague and like Midfielder keeps on wishing for, we'll get to that magical number of 32 franchises like all US sports and then they start shuffling licenses from one foreign consortium to another, why relegate when you can take a license away and resell it to the next schmuk... Every single dollar you all give these foreigners is another nail in the coffin for Soccer in Australia .... ohhh BTW can't wait till the 'Muricans start marketing the sport as Soccer again , the "ourists" will loose their minds...... Instead of moaning and acting like an absence of automatic pro-rel is anathema to football (when the team you support happily played in the same kind of closed shop league for 27 years), why not be happy about the progress that has been made recently, given that: a) there is now unequivocal commitment by the governing body to starting a national second division b) a timeline for a 2023 start seems to be emerging c) once an NSD is in place for a few years the momentum for pro-rel will likely become irresistible Sure the format being discussed might not be to your liking, but in that case you should focus on lobbying for a better format, which is what I imagine the AAFC (including SMFC's representatives) is doing right now. Nobody on this forum is against the principle of pro-rel, and everyone has the best interests of football in Australia at heart, there are just different views on how viable it is and when and how it could be implemented.
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+x+xCorrect Arthur, I was agreeing with your point. Tongue in cheek that "4 Billion" sounds more impressive than 400 million a year...,, That guy was a shyster who did not actually have the money he was offering, and only did it as a ruse to try to get the team he owned (Miami FC) into MLS instead of Beckham's team. They were right to turn it down and will probably get more money per year with a reputable media company in their next deal. On more TV Revenue; The reality is that no one is watching it on TV. MLS is pulling fans into stadiums, but TV audiences remain underwhelming | MLS | The GuardianThey would achieve more for the game there by implementing an authentic Football Ecosystem. Not only a connected Pyramid, but other tools such as a player transfer and compensation system. With 50 Million Hispanics and Latin Americans, similar numbers of first generation European migrants, are not watching MLS. The Mexican League gets better viewing numbers in the USA than MLS. An audience exists, some will go watch a match at the stadium of course, to experience a live match and crowd. But that Football Audience would rather watch other leagues, the key reason football people want "Authentic Football". And "Authentic" is the key word and the LESSON for APL and FA.
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+x+xwhat makes it worse in the big picture for me is the closed shop argumentative devotees here........ They should be standing up for the big picture as well. Yet they moan groan of our NT performances to date - arnie this arnie that but in the big picture its the cattle full stop period. Oh hang on Atkinson Tilios are coming, charge of the light brigade - yes they are good promising players and how many have we seen over the last decade. Any decent product has to make it OS not here but its all become cussy here now to stay. We've seen and heard all this before. Expansion coming soon in the Aleague and like Midfielder keeps on wishing for, we'll get to that magical number of 32 franchises like all US sports and then they start shuffling licenses from one foreign consortium to another, why relegate when you can take a license away and resell it to the next schmuk... Every single dollar you all give these foreigners is another nail in the coffin for Soccer in Australia .... Key points: - strong incentive to maintain it as a closed shop for as long as people want to pay big bucks to join the closed shop - the value of the license is in being part of the closed shop; it has zero value in an open football pyramid - worse still, there is actually a very strong incentive to have financially strapped owners keel over on a consistent basis, because the franchise license gets re-sold - it's like the Magic Pudding!
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+x+x+xCorrect Arthur, I was agreeing with your point. Tongue in cheek that "4 Billion" sounds more impressive than 400 million a year...,, That guy was a shyster who did not actually have the money he was offering, and only did it as a ruse to try to get the team he owned (Miami FC) into MLS instead of Beckham's team. They were right to turn it down and will probably get more money per year with a reputable media company in their next deal. On more TV Revenue; The reality is that no one is watching it on TV. MLS is pulling fans into stadiums, but TV audiences remain underwhelming | MLS | The GuardianThey would achieve more for the game there by implementing an authentic Football Ecosystem. Not only a connected Pyramid, but other tools such as a player transfer and compensation system. With 50 Million Hispanics and Latin Americans, similar numbers of first generation European migrants, are not watching MLS. The Mexican League gets better viewing numbers in the USA than MLS. An audience exists, some will go watch a match at the stadium of course, to experience a live match and crowd. But that Football Audience would rather watch other leagues, the key reason football people want "Authentic Football". And "Authentic" is the key word and the LESSON for APL and FA. Like they said though no owner that has stumped up a USD$150 million licence fee wants pro / rel.
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+x+x+xwhat makes it worse in the big picture for me is the closed shop argumentative devotees here........ They should be standing up for the big picture as well. Yet they moan groan of our NT performances to date - arnie this arnie that but in the big picture its the cattle full stop period. Oh hang on Atkinson Tilios are coming, charge of the light brigade - yes they are good promising players and how many have we seen over the last decade. Any decent product has to make it OS not here but its all become cussy here now to stay. We've seen and heard all this before. Mate, no disrespect intended at all but the closed shop wouldn't exist if some people didn't support it and actually want it to be that way.... People that buy into the whole MLS lite thing you guys have got going here seem to really want to keep it that way. Not 100% sure why but I suspect it's because there is always another "New dawn" on the way...... Anyway, looks like AAFC plan of uniting all,of soccer died on the vine like everything else in this country. Expansion coming soon in the Aleague and like Midfielder keeps on wishing for, we'll get to that magical number of 32 franchises like all US sports and then they start shuffling licenses from one foreign consortium to another, why relegate when you can take a license away and resell it to the next schmuk... Every single dollar you all give these foreigners is another nail in the coffin for Soccer in Australia .... ohhh BTW can't wait till the 'Muricans start marketing the sport as Soccer again , the "ourists" will loose their minds...... Instead of moaning and acting like an absence of automatic pro-rel is anathema to football (when the team you support happily played in the same kind of closed shop league for 27 years), why not be happy about the progress that has been made recently, given that: This "whataboutism" is a constant excuse in my opinion though mate... Just because the NSL was a dogshit league doesn't mean repeating the mistakes of the past is acceptable now. a) there is now unequivocal commitment by the governing body to starting a national second division - Hmmm are you sure, it sounds like platitudes and 1/2 promises to me. A lot of "we hope" statements rather than "we will do" to me.b) a timeline for a 2023 start seems to be emerging - as was 2020, and then 2021 and then 2022 ... lets see huh?c) once an NSD is in place for a few years the momentum for pro-rel will likely become irresistible - irresistible to who exactly? The APL clubs like WU who have openly stated at their time of bidding that they would not be viable in a second division? Your dreaming bud.Sure the format being discussed might not be to your liking, but in that case you should focus on lobbying for a better format, which is what I imagine the AAFC (including SMFC's representatives) is doing right now. - and being completely ignored which is not surprising.Nobody on this forum is against the principle of pro-rel, and everyone has the best interests of football in Australia at heart, there are just different views on how viable it is and when and how it could be implemented. Are you sure about this last statement? Every-time I hear excuses about how it is not financially viable I look to countries with 4 or 5 divisions in their soccer pyramid that have a GDP of 50 cents and yet still manage to do it.... Money is not the problem (or not the ONLY problem I should say) its the willingness to be inclusive that is... I applaud your wish towards pro/rel, and many others on here, but lets face it it is a pipedream at best. South Melbourne has been effectively been told to "get fucked" for the last 17 years by FFA and we are (I am sure you can concede) one of the better run and funded NPL clubs..... If we are not good enough for the sensitive "mainstream" AFL/NRL audience then what is? Its new licenses from now on mate and if you are all happy with that thats fine....
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+x+x+xwhat makes it worse in the big picture for me is the closed shop argumentative devotees here........ They should be standing up for the big picture as well. Yet they moan groan of our NT performances to date - arnie this arnie that but in the big picture its the cattle full stop period. Oh hang on Atkinson Tilios are coming, charge of the light brigade - yes they are good promising players and how many have we seen over the last decade. Any decent product has to make it OS not here but its all become cussy here now to stay. We've seen and heard all this before. Expansion coming soon in the Aleague and like Midfielder keeps on wishing for, we'll get to that magical number of 32 franchises like all US sports and then they start shuffling licenses from one foreign consortium to another, why relegate when you can take a license away and resell it to the next schmuk... Every single dollar you all give these foreigners is another nail in the coffin for Soccer in Australia .... Key points: - strong incentive to maintain it as a closed shop for as long as people want to pay big bucks to join the closed shop - the value of the license is in being part of the closed shop; it has zero value in an open football pyramid - worse still, there is actually a very strong incentive to have financially strapped owners keel over on a consistent basis, because the franchise license gets re-sold - it's like the Magic Pudding! Sort of like a taxi license....... We saw how the taxi industry welcomed competition from UBER with open arms :)
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+x+x+xCorrect Arthur, I was agreeing with your point. Tongue in cheek that "4 Billion" sounds more impressive than 400 million a year...,, That guy was a shyster who did not actually have the money he was offering, and only did it as a ruse to try to get the team he owned (Miami FC) into MLS instead of Beckham's team. They were right to turn it down and will probably get more money per year with a reputable media company in their next deal. On more TV Revenue; The reality is that no one is watching it on TV. MLS is pulling fans into stadiums, but TV audiences remain underwhelming | MLS | The GuardianThey would achieve more for the game there by implementing an authentic Football Ecosystem. Not only a connected Pyramid, but other tools such as a player transfer and compensation system. With 50 Million Hispanics and Latin Americans, similar numbers of first generation European migrants, are not watching MLS. The Mexican League gets better viewing numbers in the USA than MLS. An audience exists, some will go watch a match at the stadium of course, to experience a live match and crowd. But that Football Audience would rather watch other leagues, the key reason football people want "Authentic Football". And "Authentic" is the key word and the LESSON for APL and FA. Except both MLS and A-L benefits from being a pan-continental competition you really can't just flip a switch to "Authentic Football" while you can put a player transfer and compensation system, the connected pyramid will be a missing piece.
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+x+x+x+xCorrect Arthur, I was agreeing with your point. Tongue in cheek that "4 Billion" sounds more impressive than 400 million a year...,, That guy was a shyster who did not actually have the money he was offering, and only did it as a ruse to try to get the team he owned (Miami FC) into MLS instead of Beckham's team. They were right to turn it down and will probably get more money per year with a reputable media company in their next deal. On more TV Revenue; The reality is that no one is watching it on TV. MLS is pulling fans into stadiums, but TV audiences remain underwhelming | MLS | The GuardianThey would achieve more for the game there by implementing an authentic Football Ecosystem. Not only a connected Pyramid, but other tools such as a player transfer and compensation system. With 50 Million Hispanics and Latin Americans, similar numbers of first generation European migrants, are not watching MLS. The Mexican League gets better viewing numbers in the USA than MLS. An audience exists, some will go watch a match at the stadium of course, to experience a live match and crowd. But that Football Audience would rather watch other leagues, the key reason football people want "Authentic Football". And "Authentic" is the key word and the LESSON for APL and FA. Like they said though no owner that has stumped up a USD$150 million licence fee wants pro / rel. Hence, they are were they are due to their ecosystem. Selling Licences and living off SUM. Never to progress and improve, until there is change.
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+x+x+x+xCorrect Arthur, I was agreeing with your point. Tongue in cheek that "4 Billion" sounds more impressive than 400 million a year...,, That guy was a shyster who did not actually have the money he was offering, and only did it as a ruse to try to get the team he owned (Miami FC) into MLS instead of Beckham's team. They were right to turn it down and will probably get more money per year with a reputable media company in their next deal. On more TV Revenue; The reality is that no one is watching it on TV. MLS is pulling fans into stadiums, but TV audiences remain underwhelming | MLS | The GuardianThey would achieve more for the game there by implementing an authentic Football Ecosystem. Not only a connected Pyramid, but other tools such as a player transfer and compensation system. With 50 Million Hispanics and Latin Americans, similar numbers of first generation European migrants, are not watching MLS. The Mexican League gets better viewing numbers in the USA than MLS. An audience exists, some will go watch a match at the stadium of course, to experience a live match and crowd. But that Football Audience would rather watch other leagues, the key reason football people want "Authentic Football". And "Authentic" is the key word and the LESSON for APL and FA. Except both MLS and A-L benefits from being a pan-continental competition you really can't just flip a switch to "Authentic Football" while you can put a player transfer and compensation system, the connected pyramid will be a missing piece. No you can't flick a switch. But its possible to set a road map towards change.
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+x+x+xCorrect Arthur, I was agreeing with your point. Tongue in cheek that "4 Billion" sounds more impressive than 400 million a year...,, That guy was a shyster who did not actually have the money he was offering, and only did it as a ruse to try to get the team he owned (Miami FC) into MLS instead of Beckham's team. They were right to turn it down and will probably get more money per year with a reputable media company in their next deal. The Mexican League gets better viewing numbers in the USA than MLS. An audience exists, some will go watch a match at the stadium of course, to experience a live match and crowd. But that Football Audience would rather watch other leagues, the key reason football people want "Authentic Football". And "Authentic" is the key word and the LESSON for APL and FA. Yep, the Mexican league is famous for its rigid adherence to authentic principles of automatic promotion and relegation regardless of commercial circumstances. I suggest you check your sources there.
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+x+x+xwhat makes it worse in the big picture for me is the closed shop argumentative devotees here........ They should be standing up for the big picture as well. Yet they moan groan of our NT performances to date - arnie this arnie that but in the big picture its the cattle full stop period. Oh hang on Atkinson Tilios are coming, charge of the light brigade - yes they are good promising players and how many have we seen over the last decade. Any decent product has to make it OS not here but its all become cussy here now to stay. We've seen and heard all this before. Expansion coming soon in the Aleague and like Midfielder keeps on wishing for, we'll get to that magical number of 32 franchises like all US sports and then they start shuffling licenses from one foreign consortium to another, why relegate when you can take a license away and resell it to the next schmuk... Every single dollar you all give these foreigners is another nail in the coffin for Soccer in Australia .... Key points: - strong incentive to maintain it as a closed shop for as long as people want to pay big bucks to join the closed shop - the value of the license is in being part of the closed shop; it has zero value in an open football pyramid - worse still, there is actually a very strong incentive to have financially strapped owners keel over on a consistent basis, because the franchise license gets re-sold - it's like the Magic Pudding! The second point is not how business works. Nobody wants to be associated with an entity where owners keep on going out of business or throwing away the keys. And expansion is going to run out at some point, probably at 16 teams (I can't see the A-League go to 18). At that point it's either go stale or introduce a pro-rel system to keep things fresh.
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