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All of us, without exception, know the vaccines didn't work as well as hoped. Now, even if we admit the vaccines don't stop transmission and infection, the last straw clutched by true-believers is that the vaccines at least minimise severity of symptoms.

(Funny enough, on social media, there are a few who cling onto the debunked idea that Omicron is spread by the unvaxxed).

But if you search Google, and see the Covid graphs for the highest vaxxed countries, even you people - don't you wonder how come all of them are spiking?

This study does the analysis to show that the vaccines are not working:

"New big data study of 145 countries show COVID vaccines makes things worse (cases and deaths)"



https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-big-data-study-of-145-countries?

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from HMG  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

week 41 report 
page 13 table 2
last 2 columns compares vaccinated vs unvaccinated
and er rates lower for unvaccinated from age groups 30 onwards , lol
they changed the reports format from week 42 onwards


COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – week 4113Table 2. COVID-19 cases by vaccination status between week 37 and week 40 2021



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dirkvanadidas - 10 Jan 2022 12:13 AM
from HMG  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

week 41 report 
page 13 table 2
last 2 columns compares vaccinated vs unvaccinated
and er rates lower for unvaccinated from age groups 30 onwards , lol
they changed the reports format from week 42 onwards


COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – week 4113Table 2. COVID-19 cases by vaccination status between week 37 and week 40 2021


Dirk, that's an interesting observation of the data for Week 42 and before, versus the different format of Week 43 onwards.

Week 42 and prior, it shows the Covid rates among the vaccinated being far higher than for the un-vaccinated.

And then, from Week 43 onwards, with the different format, it swaps around.

Do you have an idea what change they made to the format to produce the different result?



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My son tested positive and felt average for one morning. Not one of the rest of us (4 in total double vaxxed) have even had the mildest of symptoms except the wife who had a scratchy throat for 1 day.

Big ups to vaccine developers. Fucking champions.

Other son has a unvaxxed co-worker throwing up blood. (Could or could not be related.) The plural of anecdotes is not data after all. A concept JS can't seem to grasp.




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Munrubenmuz - 10 Jan 2022 9:15 AM
My son tested positive and felt average for one morning. Not one of the rest of us (4 in total double vaxxed) have even had the mildest of symptoms except the wife who had a scratchy throat for 1 day.

Big ups to vaccine developers. Fucking champions.

Other son has a unvaxxed co-worker throwing up blood. (Could or could not be related.) The plural of anecdotes is not data after all. A concept JS can't seem to grasp.


You didn't mention if the co-worker had underlying conditions.

“Virtually all Omicron cases in Denmark have been reported in vaccinated people, most of them “fully vaccinated,” new data from the Danish government revealed.



"79 percent of Danes infected with Omicron by December 15 were fully jabbed, according to a report released Tuesday by the Statens Serum Institut (SSI), a Danish health ministry that tracks COVID-19 variants. The double-vaccinated accounted for more than 14,000 of 17,767 Omicron infections recorded in Denmark since the country’s first reported case on November 22.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/shock-data-90-percent-of-omicron-cases-in-denmark-are-vaccinated/

Here is the Danish report, and the graph is at page 7. It is translated into English at this link:

https://www.ssi.dk/-/media/cdn/files/covid19/omikron/statusrapport/rapport-omikronvarianten-21122021-14tk.pdf?la=da&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

A reason proposed for this is that the vaccines damage the immune system. This was predicted by Dr Geert Vanden Bossche.

And note the emerging data of autoimmune disease in the jabbed.

https://www.brighteon.com/a25996df-e838-4f15-b670-084d8e1c2458

https://doctors4covidethics.org/on-covid-vaccines-why-they-cannot-work-and-irrefutable-evidence-of-their-causative-role-in-deaths-after-vaccination/



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Munrubenmuz - 10 Jan 2022 9:15 AM
My son tested positive and felt average for one morning. Not one of the rest of us (4 in total double vaxxed) have even had the mildest of symptoms except the wife who had a scratchy throat for 1 day.

Big ups to vaccine developers. Fucking champions.

Other son has a unvaxxed co-worker throwing up blood. (Could or could not be related.) The plural of anecdotes is not data after all. A concept JS can't seem to grasp.


All the best and keep safe. Hope for a speedy recovery.
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Burztur - 10 Jan 2022 10:23 AM
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All the best and keep safe. Hope for a speedy recovery.

Short term and long term best wishes:

Short term -- we wish our mates a safe speedy recovery from Omicron.

Long term - we wish our mates to avoid the predicted autoimmune diseases and hundreds of other long term effects listed in the Pfizer trials data kept hidden, but revealed under Freedom of Information.

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Remember it was Australia who decided to open up

Step 1: Vaccinate 90% of the population and open up
Step 2: Panic because vaccinated people are getting it

It's raining outside. Better put on a rain coat and get my umbrella. *goes outside. Oh no! My rain coat and umbrella are getting wet

I enjoyed this
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https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-vaccines-idUSL1N2TN1PP



He told Reuters: “What is definitely not true is what is said in the headline to the Steve Kirsch article. Bhakdi and Burkhardt did not look at all the people who died after being vaccinated          – that’s clearly not possible because a lot of people will die after being vaccinated for reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine.
 
15 cases were not a representative sample of people who have died after being vaccinated. This is due to the autopsies being carried out for specific reasons such as family preferences or the refusal to accept a decision from a previous pathologist or coroner.
“So, what we have is that 14 out of 15 people, not typical of those who died after vaccination, had, in the opinion of one pathologist, signs that indicated that the vaccine may have had a role in their death, even though a previous pathologist or coroner did not agree with that conclusion,” he said.

I’ll also mention that there’s no comparison with people of similar ages and so on who also died, but were not vaccinated, so there’s no way to tell from what is said here how common these pathological findings are in unvaccinated people, apart from the pathologist’s opinion.


Great non-biased "data" you got there Dr John Smith. 



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Burztur - 10 Jan 2022 10:23 AM
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All the best and keep safe. Hope for a speedy recovery.

Cheers mate, we're all good. Not even a sniffle here.

Appreciate it though.


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sydneyfc1987 - 10 Jan 2022 10:50 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-vaccines-idUSL1N2TN1PP



He told Reuters: “What is definitely not true is what is said in the headline to the Steve Kirsch article. Bhakdi and Burkhardt did not look at all the people who died after being vaccinated          – that’s clearly not possible because a lot of people will die after being vaccinated for reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine.
 
15 cases were not a representative sample of people who have died after being vaccinated. This is due to the autopsies being carried out for specific reasons such as family preferences or the refusal to accept a decision from a previous pathologist or coroner.
“So, what we have is that 14 out of 15 people, not typical of those who died after vaccination, had, in the opinion of one pathologist, signs that indicated that the vaccine may have had a role in their death, even though a previous pathologist or coroner did not agree with that conclusion,” he said.

I’ll also mention that there’s no comparison with people of similar ages and so on who also died, but were not vaccinated, so there’s no way to tell from what is said here how common these pathological findings are in unvaccinated people, apart from the pathologist’s opinion.


Great non-biased "data" you got there Dr John Smith. 


Was listening to a podcast by these 2 US authors yesterday talking about how people who are duped about vaccines are clearly not all stupid and thick. They were saying it's perfectly rational people looking at bad data and forming an opinion from there.

Basically a case study in John Smith's ramblings.

They were saying they went out of their way to make the book as non-partisan as possible but one thing was clear was that the more Republican the state, the less educated, the poorer they were, the more religious the more likely they were to be vaccine 'hesitant'.

Draw your own conclusions.  Podcast here.  https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/philosopherszone/bad-thinking-and-good-people/13659718 




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Munrubenmuz - 10 Jan 2022 11:26 AM
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Was listening to a podcast by these 2 US authors yesterday talking about how people who are duped about vaccines are clearly not all stupid and thick. They were saying it's perfectly rational people looking at bad data and forming an opinion from there.

Basically a case study in John Smith's ramblings.

They were saying they went out of their way to make the book as non-partisan as possible but one thing was clear was that the more Republican the state, the less educated, the poorer they were, the more religious the more likely they were to be vaccine 'hesitant'.

Draw your own conclusions.  Podcast here.  https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/philosopherszone/bad-thinking-and-good-people/13659718 


Yes, but you also realise -- you didn't -- that both sides are accusing the other of the same. Here's a video of how the vaxxed are under mass psychosis for taking a deadly experimental drug, with off-the-charts historical damage data, for a disease with a 0.1% chance of dying. The only way to explain that is mass fear and psychosis.

https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=619daea08153a665791f3fb6

For example, how do you get people to dismiss this graph as nonsense? Has to be psychosis.



And in spite of Omicron being shown to be milder (even though more infectious), the mass psychosis causes people to rush for boosters, even in spite of evidence of autoimmune diseases coming from the vaxes and boosters. What causes a person to disregard warnings of autoimmune diseases? Mass psychosis.

Look at this Pfizer document, and search for the word autoimmune. It appears 48 times. And yet, people ignore that. Mass psychosis, driving up profits for Pharma companies. Realise this, if you didn't react the way you do, Pharma could not make those profits.

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

If you had merely wanted something that minimises symptoms, Ivermectin already did that, with far less risk of side effects.

How do you get a person to view a video like this, and, rather than waiting for more evidence, they laugh and throw it out. It has to be mass psychosis, fuelled by group hysteria, where the reactions of the mob confirm their bias.

https://www.brighteon.com/a25996df-e838-4f15-b670-084d8e1c2458



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sydneyfc1987 - 10 Jan 2022 10:50 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-vaccines-idUSL1N2TN1PP



He told Reuters: “What is definitely not true is what is said in the headline to the Steve Kirsch article. Bhakdi and Burkhardt did not look at all the people who died after being vaccinated          – that’s clearly not possible because a lot of people will die after being vaccinated for reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine.
 
15 cases were not a representative sample of people who have died after being vaccinated. This is due to the autopsies being carried out for specific reasons such as family preferences or the refusal to accept a decision from a previous pathologist or coroner.
“So, what we have is that 14 out of 15 people, not typical of those who died after vaccination, had, in the opinion of one pathologist, signs that indicated that the vaccine may have had a role in their death, even though a previous pathologist or coroner did not agree with that conclusion,” he said.

I’ll also mention that there’s no comparison with people of similar ages and so on who also died, but were not vaccinated, so there’s no way to tell from what is said here how common these pathological findings are in unvaccinated people, apart from the pathologist’s opinion.


Great non-biased "data" you got there Dr John Smith. 


How a person responds to this data from Dr Bhakdi and Dr Burkhardt reveals their bias.

A biased person - seeing that data - will laugh it off, and not give it a second thought.

An un-biased person -- seeing the same data -- will say, maybe not enough data points, but let's put it on the shelf and see how it develops. Particularly since it correlates with VAERS, DAEN and VigiAccess data, and correlates with Pfizer trials data revealed under Freedom of Information.

This is the test of bias -- whether you instantly throw it out, or wait for more data.
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An un-biased person -- seeing the same data -- will say, maybe not enough data points, but let's put it on the shelf and see how it develops. Particularly since it correlates with VAERS, DAEN and VigiAccess data, and correlates with Pfizer trials data revealed under Freedom of Information.


Is this what you've been doing the last few months?  😂😂😂

Or are you finally admitting your own bias? 





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Munrubenmuz - 10 Jan 2022 9:15 AM
My son tested positive and felt average for one morning. Not one of the rest of us (4 in total double vaxxed) have even had the mildest of symptoms except the wife who had a scratchy throat for 1 day.

Big ups to vaccine developers. Fucking champions.

Other son has a unvaxxed co-worker throwing up blood. (Could or could not be related.) The plural of anecdotes is not data after all. A concept JS can't seem to grasp.


Good luck 👍🏻

I know of about 10 people close to me with it atm. Luckily all vaxxed and been mild. 

Only people I know is two that have gotten really really sick, one nearly died. Both unvaxxed. 

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Seriously can these politicians stfu about game changers as some sort of out for their mis management. We’ve been warmed for two years there will be mutations. If you’re not ready it’s because you are incompetent 
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definitely a correlation between lowly educated skyman botherers and antivaxxers

that should tell you all you need to know
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Munrubenmuz - 10 Jan 2022 9:15 AM

Good luck 👍🏻

I know of about 10 people close to me with it atm. Luckily all vaxxed and been mild. 

Only people I know is two that have gotten really really sick, one nearly died. Both unvaxxed. 

Good to hear recovering well Muz.....

yer I've known now up to 6 to 10 people as well incl my eldest son and fiance recently.....
All double vaxxed and have recovered well.
Fiance's 88yr old Grandfather tested pos the other day - he's ok so far double vaxxed obviously, will be keeping tabs on this.




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cesspit - 10 Jan 2022 3:15 PM
definitely a correlation between lowly educated skyman botherers and antivaxxers


Gosh, if I said that about vaxxed people, you'd say it was prejudiced. Among my vax-free friends, many are highly educated.

It doesn't take much edjahkayshun to follow the flow of the crowd.
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Munrubenmuz - 10 Jan 2022 9:15 AM

Good luck 👍🏻

I know of about 10 people close to me with it atm. Luckily all vaxxed and been mild. 

Only people I know is two that have gotten really really sick, one nearly died. Both unvaxxed. 

All my numerous friends who now have Covid, they're all vaxxed.

I'm presently not aware of any of my un-vaxxed friends who have got Covid, so far.

The vax-free friends of mine are following the Zelenko and FLCCC protocols of building up the immune system (if you want details of these, let me know). It involves high doses of Vitamin C, D, Zinc and Quercetin (not for people on blood medication). All natural substances, with minimal side effects.

Even if you think this is "unproven", what does it hurt to be regular with these supplements during a pandemic?

https://welovetrump.com/2022/01/08/dr-zelenko-zinc-is-the-bullet-the-only-problem-is-the-bullet-doesnt-get-to/

p/s sending you lot a link to a welovetrump website is like waving a red flag at a bull. If the information is useful to help you get through the pandemic, you should able to look past your bias and read what the welovetrump article says.

p/p/s in the above article, the reference to 50 to 70 is in the units used in the U.S. For Australia, Vitamin D blood levels are more often stated in nmol/L, which translates to 125 to 175 nmol/L. Not many Aussies have that level, since, according to the Department of Health survey years ago back then, about a quarter of Australians had less than 50 nmol/L (or 20 ng/ml). That's far off from the stated 125 to 175 nmol/L.

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/pregnancy-care-guidelines/part-g-targeted-maternal-health-tests/vitamin-d-status



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All my numerous friends who now have Covid, they're all vaxxed.

I'm presently not aware of any of my un-vaxxed friends who have got Covid, so far.

The vax-free friends of mine are following the Zelenko and FLCCC protocols of building up the immune system (if you want details of these, let me know). It involves high doses of Vitamin C, D, Zinc and Quercetin (not for people on blood medication). All natural substances, with minimal side effects.

Even if you think this is "unproven", what does it hurt to be regular with these supplements during a pandemic?

https://welovetrump.com/2022/01/08/dr-zelenko-zinc-is-the-bullet-the-only-problem-is-the-bullet-doesnt-get-to/

p/s sending you lot a link to a welovetrump website is like waving a red flag at a bull. If the information is useful to help you get through the pandemic, you should able to look past your bias and read what the welovetrump article says.

p/p/s in the above article, the reference to 50 to 70 is in the units used in the U.S. For Australia, Vitamin D blood levels are more often stated in nmol/L, which translates to 125 to 175 nmol/L. Not many Aussies have that level, since, according to the Department of Health survey years ago back then, about a quarter of Australians had less than 50 nmol/L (or 20 ng/ml). That's far off from the stated 125 to 175 nmol/L.

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/pregnancy-care-guidelines/part-g-targeted-maternal-health-tests/vitamin-d-status



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johnsmith - 10 Jan 2022 5:42 PM
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I'm presently not aware of any of my un-vaxxed friends who have got Covid, so far.

Interesting.

I distinctly remember you telling us about your friend that got mild COVID and went swimming just days after. 

I'm presuming he or she was unvaxxed, otherwise you wouldn't be making the point that they cleared the virus easily would you?

Has that person ceased to exist?

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sydneyfc1987 - 10 Jan 2022 6:16 PM
johnsmith - 10 Jan 2022 5:42 PM

Interesting.

I distinctly remember you telling us about your friend that got mild COVID and went swimming just days after. 

I'm presuming he or she was unvaxxed, otherwise you wouldn't be making the point that they cleared the virus easily would you?

Has that person ceased to exist?

its all fiction

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johnsmith - 21 Dec 2021 6:09 PM
I had a friend in his 20's who got Covid, and was sounding off against anti-vaxers and how everyone should get vaccinated. About 4 days later, he recovered and was out swimming in the sea.

Here it is.  

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sydneyfc1987 - 10 Jan 2022 6:16 PM
johnsmith - 10 Jan 2022 5:42 PM

Interesting.

I distinctly remember you telling us about your friend that got mild COVID and went swimming just days after. 

I'm presuming he or she was unvaxxed, otherwise you wouldn't be making the point that they cleared the virus easily would you?

Has that person ceased to exist?

Gosh, you are so antagonistic. I confirm that the friend who got Covid, and knocked it over in a few days and went swimming -- he was vaxxed. That friend is vehemently against anti-vaxxers. The absolute vast majority of my friends are vaxxed.

I note these points:
- the MRNA vaccines do produce antibodies in the initial few months
- the MRNA effectiveness wanes around 3-4 months
- the study from Denmark indicates after 3-4 months, not only does the effectiveness wane, but the effectiveness actually goes into negative territory, meaning that the vaxxed have an increased likelihood of getting Covid.
- In my personal decision making, it has been a life-and-death decision of choosing between: short term protection against Covid, versus long term risks of heart problems, autoimmune disease and other risks,. I chose to take the risk, based on reports of effectiveness of the protocols out there that have had good success.

In most things I do, I tend to be a long-term thinker. You'd agree that most people, even though they claim to be long-term thinkers - such as criticising politicians who make policies on short term gain -- yet, even those people in their daily lives are short term thinkers.


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johnsmith - 10 Jan 2022 6:33 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 10 Jan 2022 6:16 PM

Gosh, you are so antagonistic. I confirm that the friend who got Covid, and knocked it over in a few days and went swimming -- he was vaxxed. That friend is vehemently against anti-vaxxers. The absolute vast majority of my friends are vaxxed.

Yep.  I wonder why? 

Could it be that you are a pathological liar that makes things up to push your narrative along?  


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proof that the vax works
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those who believe in sky fairies are always about preserving life when it comes to abortion etc but seem to be happy to sacrifice and dismiss any covid death as 'pre existing conditions' (whatever the hell that even means when it's broken down)...as if that's enough and makes them feel better about to consigning their fellow citizens to a horrible fate....
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bluebird2 - 6 Jan 2022 1:41 PM
Davide82 - 6 Jan 2022 10:40 AM

This is kinda the point I was making on page 108

Australia hasn't had its pandemic yet and it begins now. I remember Marshall was so confident SA were ready to open up and it wouldnt be a problem because vaccination numbers were high. And he was right. The only part he got wrong was whether or not he would overreact. I also find it funny that he wont adopt the national definition of a contact, but decides face mask or no face mask can determine whether somebody should need to isolate (or pretending they wore one as most people will do to avoid the 15 minute rule)

Victoria have re-introduced restrictions today, same as NSW not long ago. And expect QLD to follow suit

The funny thing is the states are perfectly 1-2 weeks behind one another (with WA 1 year behind as always) so there is an opportunity to learn from the state ahead case wise. But its the exact same fucking mistakes time and time again from states that dont want to let go of the restriction security blanket due to projected Excel data sitting in hospital. And from states that dont want to learn from anybody that isnt them

2022 will be worse than 2021 and this wont be over in 2022. But the good news is we wont be calling it a lockdown because they are over

What term do you reckon they'll invent for it?

I can't wait for winter 

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