84000 = disaster zone according to my notes

Yep. Train wreck. 

Yes will be causing absolute consternation at 10

Have to suspect it’s never going to get any higher.

AFL womens that was playing at the same time on SEven/7Mate got exactly double that (plus it was on Fox).

Or   about   scottish    cup   finals  up  to  1973  or  something ...

But just 1000 short of disappointing!

Seriously though, your notes are made up. 10 signed a five-year contract (and I imagine the main channel on Saturday night is a stipulation of the contract), and both parties knew that it would be a long-term challenge to lift A-League ratings from the doldrums they were in during the last years of Foxtel.

And how many are watching the 10 game on Paramount? You'd imagine most people who have signed up to Paramount (which would be a large number of A-League fans) would simply watch it there rather than on TV.

The more chronic problem with 10 is that it has always pitched itself as the channel for 16-39 year olds, and they are precisely the people who aren't watching FTA any more. Hence why they seem to be changing their FTA channel to becoming just a big ad for their subscription service.

Oh    what   a  final   that   was    RC    ( 1973 ).   Rangers     beat    the     hooped    horrors     3-2   in   front      of     over    122,000    people    at   Hampden     park    and    i   was    one   of    them.

The     silence   was    deafening!!

So why did channel 10 get 3 of the top 15 shows last night including 630k for the 7th highest show (after 5 different types of ashes ratings above it)?

The claim nobody watches FTA anymore isnt reflected in the ratings system. It's not like they give ratings boxes to people who dont watch FTA and score a 0 each night. The data will be projected among the population with the assumption everybody does watch FTA so that should be equally reflected in the A League ratings

People are watching FTA, they just arent watching the A League. Guess work on Paramount viewers isnt an indication of support. Not sure why you would ignore the only data we have in favour of a made up claim

Channel 10 may be trying something different this weekend... Adelaide vs Melbourne City to be shown on channel 10 in Adelaide and Melbourne, whereas Sydney FC vs Brisbane currently scheduled to be shown in Sydney and Brisbane (assuming the games go ahead). Not sure why this wasn't done from the beginning.

Now now, just because you will never experience anything like this in your life.

Was the whole world black and white back then grandpa or just the soccer on the telly? Lol 

Wouldn't it be a better move for attendance in Adelaide NOT to show the local game on FTA?

Traditional TV ratings are a very imprecise science, but 10's ratings are consistently and substantially lower than they were even a few years ago:

https://tvblackbox.com.au/page/2021/11/04/ratings-analysis-audiences-abandon-10-in-droves-as-the-viability-of-a-third-commercial-network-is-in-doubt/

So it's not a "made up claim".

But it's actually not such a bad thing that the A-League is on a smaller network as it likely won't be as ruthless with it and make more of an effort to nurture ratings.

The only way to get higher ratings is to have matches postponed on a whim, and in time, run the game into the ground. That is the desired direction being taken.

It IS a made up claim. 

Just for a bit of context regarding FTA ratings and how they work.
The rating numbers are calculated based on the data collected from the OzTAM boxes installed in peoples homes.
Currently there are 5250 OzTAM boxes in metropolitan homes nation wide and 3198 in regional homes.
Our current population is 25.7 million people.
They then use their algorithm to estimated the actual ratings.
To me that seems like a very low sample size.
I'm curious, has anyone on here ever here ever had an OzTAM box installed at their home? Does anyone on here know someone that has had one installed?

I honestly don't think it makes a difference anymore.
That's the way things used to be growing up but with fox/internet all games have been live for everyone for years.

Its a mathematical principle, not a principle of choice or bias, The sample size might seem small but it is a perfect size for predicting 25 million coin tosses, or very black and white questions like Pepsi vs Coke

Every science has its strengths, but also limitations and weaknesses

One of the limitations of this branch of maths is if you continue to poll the same people, you end up with just the opinion of those people. To understand: If you ask me Pepsi or Coke. Thats 2 variables. If you ask me Dominos or Pizza Hut. Thats 2 variables. If you ask me both questions, thats 4 variables. When you say to somebody "what did you watch at 7pm", it has less variables than sampling their viewing habits for 24 hours and then trying to break it down at a micro level for one timeslot

Another is that if you continue to random sample, you'll eventually end up with an outlier. If the maths is 95% accurate, then 1 in 20 samples would have the A League as the top rated show. But we dont see that. Since the same people are repeatedly polled then there is consistency in their decision making which goes back to the point I made above

In other words, this kind of maths wasn't built for this purpose, so it is flawed / misused

Dont think of it as 85,000 people watching the league, but think of it as a score of 85,000. That score is comparative to the scores of other shows, and previous years

Another thing to note is its also flawed to add different samples together. If the FTA figures are calculated to assume 100% of the population watch FTA, and payTV subscription figures are calculated to assume 100% of subscribers watch payTV, then it is double counting. If Bob watched the A League then 1000 people are assumed to have watched the A League also. Even if that hypothetical person in reality watched it on Fox (in past) or paramount, they have still been counted hypothetically as having watched FTA

Ratings are a load of crap but they are the only system we have. So they are a big dollar industry. There can be a lot learnt from them, and some meaningful trend, but they just can't be taken literally


To answer your other question: I did know one person with a regional Victorian box. I never tried convincing him to watch the league because I didnt want to "interfere with nature"

@bluebird2
The other thing about the sample set is that it's not a random selection of people. It's 100% people that agreed to have the viewing data logged. I wonder what percentage of the population that characteristic represents. I know if I was asked to participate I would decline immediately. I tend to try to avoid sharing uncessary data with private companies where possible. I'm sure I'm not alone in that group.

Where have you been the last ten years? Viewership in under-40s for linear TV is tanking. Sure people will tune in for special events, especially sport, but for regular programming they have a million other options now. The challenge for the A-League is to make its Saturday night matches have an event feel. The Melbourne derby a coule of weeks was a good example of that (although unfortunately the ratings didn't materialise, partly due to competition with the Ashes).

Yes I know someone with a ratings box. A female late middle aged loopy and frothing born again evangelical Christian and it is frankly hilarious that she contributes to this kind of data. 

She's helping to keep hillsong ratings up

She is indeed. 

Going on your train of thought, what a mislead Nation, extremely dissapointing over here.

But we ARE talking about live sport here aren't we? This mythical new under 40s viewership may consume entertainment in small, streaming doses, but judging by the TV ratings for other sports in this country, somebody is watching cricket, AFL, NRL, Formula 1, etc etc etc..... Somebody is also clearly watching EPL otherwise Optus wouldnt have bought the rights to it, or at least paid so much money for it and then spent considerable amounts of time, money and effort in locally produced content about it....
The challenge for A-League is definitely NOT to make it's Saturday night matches have an event feel, it is to make them have a "football" feel. Add breaks and plastic franchises seem to be drawing in very low numbers, what's next?

NSD
Transfer Fees
Expansion.
Covid 22 exists in Europe too, the SPFL are back at full capacity and NO postponements this weekend, Other codes of Sport in this Country aren't postponing, SO, Don't postpone matches on a Whim FA/APL!! The numbers will go up when things are perceived in a positive light.

ratings on SBS were pretty good, consistently over 100k

Biggest mistake the FFA made in my opinion as an outsider was pissing off SBS....While ABC was good for soccer as a niche, British flavoured sport, in the 70s and 80s it wasnt until SBS with their Serie A,  Captain Socceroo and fantastic WC coverage that anyone outside the sport even knew it was on.....