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+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle....
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+x+xJust assign the Wellington Phoenix Licence to Australia already. Call it Wollongong Phoenix and let the current owners sell the Licence if they want to. APL need to find a buyer for Newcastle first And CCM and Adelaide and Brisbane and Perth And the value of Bitcoin is going down...,,,,, what will they do?
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+xWell this situation certainly hasn't helped Wollongong gain entry into the league anytime soon. The stadium is obviously trying to gouge the Nix at every opportunity. Pretty shameful really. This same fixture 3 years ago got 23k at Eden Park. Obviously Covid is at play massively but its really embarrassing where this has gotten to. The Nix should have sold the home game to MV and played it at AAMI park and taken the gate. Would have got 10k on the back of the FFA cup win. If they moved it to AAMI Park and played it on a weekend they could have got 12k-15k. Who cares about home ground advantage, especially when the Glory are getting rinsed beyond belief. They are doing that on Saturday at Kogarah with Sydney ( double header )
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+x+xWell this situation certainly hasn't helped Wollongong gain entry into the league anytime soon. The stadium is obviously trying to gouge the Nix at every opportunity. Pretty shameful really. This same fixture 3 years ago got 23k at Eden Park. Obviously Covid is at play massively but its really embarrassing where this has gotten to. The Nix should have sold the home game to MV and played it at AAMI park and taken the gate. Would have got 10k on the back of the FFA cup win. If they moved it to AAMI Park and played it on a weekend they could have got 12k-15k. Who cares about home ground advantage, especially when the Glory are getting rinsed beyond belief. They are doing that on Saturday at Kogarah with Sydney ( double header ) Double headers ? Isn't that what the NRL does ?
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+x+x+xWell this situation certainly hasn't helped Wollongong gain entry into the league anytime soon. The stadium is obviously trying to gouge the Nix at every opportunity. Pretty shameful really. This same fixture 3 years ago got 23k at Eden Park. Obviously Covid is at play massively but its really embarrassing where this has gotten to. The Nix should have sold the home game to MV and played it at AAMI park and taken the gate. Would have got 10k on the back of the FFA cup win. If they moved it to AAMI Park and played it on a weekend they could have got 12k-15k. Who cares about home ground advantage, especially when the Glory are getting rinsed beyond belief. They are doing that on Saturday at Kogarah with Sydney ( double header ) Double headers ? Isn't that what the NRL does ? No, your beloved old FFA used to do it as well. Fail.
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+x+x+xJust assign the Wellington Phoenix Licence to Australia already. Call it Wollongong Phoenix and let the current owners sell the Licence if they want to. APL need to find a buyer for Newcastle first And CCM and Adelaide and Brisbane and Perth And the value of Bitcoin is going down...,,,,, what will they do? NFTs
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Evidently it appears the APL think they are a good idea too... as I recall, they were even talking about them after the visit from that Scudamore chap.
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+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... :P:DWhat I find ironic as you playfully reveresed the comment/post look what we've had/got since the decline. Its Professional alright, cheeez if people think what we currently have is a good professional business model wtf..... Currently and go back the years we have "Professional" its been a shit show and the main positive argument most can come back with is AL/APL has on average better crowds. Granted and you'd bloody well expect so ! NSL never had the PR/exposure/$$$'s (nor the benefit of riding off the back like the '06 WC, talk modern times not when tech wasn't around back in '74 knowing some would bring this up) like AL/APL and we've all seen how many ordinary decisions gone down but lets knock down a NSD for the game doesn't need it let alone the Clubs are ol sockha and useless - what goes around comes around with a different front and back covers.
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+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it.
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On the plus side one of the impediments of the NSD of 'never having big enough of a crowd' is now disappearing. Pretty sure San Souci Seahorses FC would pull a bigger crowd than Western United or Macarthur..
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+xWhen are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. If you are referring to a proposed NSD, composition of Clubs, I suppose the answer is when they can afford to. And when the game can afford to. Currently the ALM regulatory framework results in annual loses for all teams, for a short time MVFC avoided these loses but not now. My understanding of the NSD proposal is that many of the Clubs will have full time staff and players based on minimum payments. E.g. Minimum full time wage. So who can they attract paying a minimum wage? Probably young players between 18-23yo who are looking to advance their careers. If they succeed they will move on to a new level and a new contract, thats how football works globally. Older players will probably stay in the NPL on match payments and a full time job. Everything is not linear though, some NSD clubs will grow their revenue base and attract investment, others may not. As far as I understand things thats life in a free market capitalist society.
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+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... :P:DWhat I find ironic as you playfully reveresed the comment/post look what we've had/got since the decline. Its Professional alright, cheeez if people think what we currently have is a good professional business model wtf..... Currently and go back the years we have "Professional" its been a shit show and the main positive argument most can come back with is AL/APL has on average better crowds. Granted and you'd bloody well expect so ! NSL never had the PR/exposure/$$$'s (nor the benefit of riding off the back like the '06 WC, talk modern times not when tech wasn't around back in '74 knowing some would bring this up) like AL/APL and we've all seen how many ordinary decisions gone down but lets knock down a NSD for the game doesn't need it let alone the Clubs are ol sockha and useless - what goes around comes around with a different front and back covers. :) ..... Cant help myself brother... hahahahaha
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+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money.Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Kids with stars in their eyes are literally lining up at grounds all over the country mate......... All the so called "hurdles" towards a national pyramid are figments of the APL's imagination.... Just like any other business, they will defend their investment till the bitter end, f#ck football in Australia what do they care as long as they make the moolah?
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time to knock this rubbish league down and start again with a proper football structure enough is enough already- at the very least get rid of the Nix if NZ FA can't afford to keep a side going in the A-League i got no interest in us helping them out. I honestly have never understood the relationship Australia has with NZ - everyone says it is special to me it looks more like a leech sucking our blood kind of relationship.
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Nix made victory look 2nd rate last night
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+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be.
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+xNix made victory look 2nd rate last night MV couldve or shouldve had at least two....
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+x+xNix made victory look 2nd rate last night MV couldve or shouldve had at least two.... If Davidson was able to pass the ball to anyone other than any given Nix player, who knows, the victory may even have jagged a point.
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+x+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be. You make it like the National League in England: clubs can be part-time if they want (which means in an Australia context matches involving interstate travel should be on at work-friendly times, i.e. during the weekend only), but if they want to make the step up to full-time professionalism this is also permissible. If pro-rel to the A-League happens, I imagine the big NSD clubs would go fully pro to ensure a smooth transition in case of promotion, but smaller clubs would likely stay semi-pro to keep costs down. Travel costs should (and hopefully will) be centralised so that no team is disadvantaged by geographical location. Maybe this would be covered by the league's central income pool (league sponsorship, broadcasting, FA grant), but if not it should be covered by a license fee from the participating clubs to make up any shortfall.
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+x+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be. Yes of course but better to start with something than wait year on year for all the ducks to be in a row. (Which they never will be.) At some point in the pyramid, 2nd 3rd, 4th tier there will be semi pro and amateur clubs. There's just not enough money but that doesn't mean we should never start something.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be. You make it like the National League in England: clubs can be part-time if they want (which means in an Australia context matches involving interstate travel should be on at work-friendly times, i.e. during the weekend only), but if they want to make the step up to full-time professionalism this is also permissible. If pro-rel to the A-League happens, I imagine the big NSD clubs would go fully pro to ensure a smooth transition in case of promotion, but smaller clubs would likely stay semi-pro to keep costs down. I don't see why a 2nd div can't be semi-professional, the money obviously isn't there at the moment to support 24 pro teams. Having a semi-pro second div is a good start and if/when pro/rel happens, any teams wishing to gain promotion to the A-league should be required to meet some minimum standards to do so(professional, *stadium, etc) People around here and across the Australia football community have this romantic view of automatic pro/rel but lets not pretend that most countries have don't some degree of gatekeeping at each level, the main difference is it's either inconsequential or so low down the pyramid nobody notices. Unfortunately we're not at that stage(and may never be) to do it that way.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be. You make it like the National League in England: clubs can be part-time if they want (which means in an Australia context matches involving interstate travel should be on at work-friendly times, i.e. during the weekend only), but if they want to make the step up to full-time professionalism this is also permissible. If pro-rel to the A-League happens, I imagine the big NSD clubs would go fully pro to ensure a smooth transition in case of promotion, but smaller clubs would likely stay semi-pro to keep costs down. Travel costs should (and hopefully will) be centralised so that no team is disadvantaged by geographical location. Maybe this would be covered by the league's central income pool (league sponsorship, broadcasting, FA grant), but if not it should be covered by a license fee from the participating clubs to make up any shortfall. I agree it should be an open slather. If certain clubs can afford to be fully professional then we should embrace it and say good luck to them. I’m enjoying the story play out in the Scottish second tier at the moment where there is one semi professional side in the league amongst reputable clubs like Kilmarnock, Dunfermline and Inverness. The semi pro club Arbroath are currently topping the league against all odds and what a great story it’s writing itself. This is the sort of thing our second tier could generate if we release the shackles and have a combination of pro and semi pro clubs on what is viable to them.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be. You make it like the National League in England: clubs can be part-time if they want (which means in an Australia context matches involving interstate travel should be on at work-friendly times, i.e. during the weekend only), but if they want to make the step up to full-time professionalism this is also permissible. If pro-rel to the A-League happens, I imagine the big NSD clubs would go fully pro to ensure a smooth transition in case of promotion, but smaller clubs would likely stay semi-pro to keep costs down. Travel costs should (and hopefully will) be centralised so that no team is disadvantaged by geographical location. Maybe this would be covered by the league's central income pool (league sponsorship, broadcasting, FA grant), but if not it should be covered by a license fee from the participating clubs to make up any shortfall. I agree it should be an open slather. If certain clubs can afford to be fully professional then we should embrace it and say good luck to them. I’m enjoying the story play out in the Scottish second tier at the moment where there is one semi professional side in the league amongst reputable clubs like Kilmarnock, Dunfermline and Inverness. The semi pro club Arbroath are currently topping the league against all odds and what a great story it’s writing itself. This is the sort of thing our second tier could generate if we release the shackles and have a combination of pro and semi pro clubs on what is viable to them. I agree too. and it’s part of having a free market. It seems to work for business and our society. If a club wants to be semi pro or full time pro it should be on them. if they can compete they will succeed and be promoted, probably by innovation and ingenuity. If not relegation will take ace of it. The only regulations needed are realistic minimum standards.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be. You make it like the National League in England: clubs can be part-time if they want (which means in an Australia context matches involving interstate travel should be on at work-friendly times, i.e. during the weekend only), but if they want to make the step up to full-time professionalism this is also permissible. If pro-rel to the A-League happens, I imagine the big NSD clubs would go fully pro to ensure a smooth transition in case of promotion, but smaller clubs would likely stay semi-pro to keep costs down. Travel costs should (and hopefully will) be centralised so that no team is disadvantaged by geographical location. Maybe this would be covered by the league's central income pool (league sponsorship, broadcasting, FA grant), but if not it should be covered by a license fee from the participating clubs to make up any shortfall. I agree it should be an open slather. If certain clubs can afford to be fully professional then we should embrace it and say good luck to them. I’m enjoying the story play out in the Scottish second tier at the moment where there is one semi professional side in the league amongst reputable clubs like Kilmarnock, Dunfermline and Inverness. The semi pro club Arbroath are currently topping the league against all odds and what a great story it’s writing itself. This is the sort of thing our second tier could generate if we release the shackles and have a combination of pro and semi pro clubs on what is viable to them. Would love to see the same thing. Genuinely hope we have this within the next decade. My question is simply this (and I mean it in the most genuine way because I don't have an answer myself): Who pays for the semi-pro club to travel across Australia, given the entire first league is on it's knees and the FA is not funding anything anymore? I feel like the only reason what you describe in Scotland works is because of the relative distances between club home grounds. Would love to be proven wrong.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be. You make it like the National League in England: clubs can be part-time if they want (which means in an Australia context matches involving interstate travel should be on at work-friendly times, i.e. during the weekend only), but if they want to make the step up to full-time professionalism this is also permissible. If pro-rel to the A-League happens, I imagine the big NSD clubs would go fully pro to ensure a smooth transition in case of promotion, but smaller clubs would likely stay semi-pro to keep costs down. Travel costs should (and hopefully will) be centralised so that no team is disadvantaged by geographical location. Maybe this would be covered by the league's central income pool (league sponsorship, broadcasting, FA grant), but if not it should be covered by a license fee from the participating clubs to make up any shortfall. I agree it should be an open slather. If certain clubs can afford to be fully professional then we should embrace it and say good luck to them. I’m enjoying the story play out in the Scottish second tier at the moment where there is one semi professional side in the league amongst reputable clubs like Kilmarnock, Dunfermline and Inverness. The semi pro club Arbroath are currently topping the league against all odds and what a great story it’s writing itself. This is the sort of thing our second tier could generate if we release the shackles and have a combination of pro and semi pro clubs on what is viable to them. Would love to see the same thing. Genuinely hope we have this within the next decade. My question is simply this (and I mean it in the most genuine way because I don't have an answer myself): Who pays for the semi-pro club to travel across Australia, given the entire first league is on it's knees and the FA is not funding anything anymore? I feel like the only reason what you describe in Scotland works is because of the relative distances between club home grounds. Would love to be proven wrong. So apparently the travel budget for the A - League men and women and the NYL is $3 million PA. So how about $1.5m is a grant to a centralised fund for the NSD and the clubs make up the shortfall. I don't think this is as onerous of a roadblock that everyone thinks it is.
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I'm all for what has been mentioned re the NSD mixed with pro/semi pro - we got to start somewhere period. What will dictate the spread of the NSD will be which and how many Clubs make the grade and their proposals approved. How many from each State get the nod, obviously NSW/Vic will have the most Clubs followed by Qld. Just to throw up to hear peoples POV re the below So will it be a full East coast comp north to south ? competeing home and away ? Or State based and each winner from Syd/Melb/Bris play off for the overall winner ? < yes this was done long ago NSL times. I'm sorry SA/WA it just may not have you guys in it during the infant stages, people agree or not ?
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+xI'm all for what has been mentioned re the NSD mixed with pro/semi pro - we got to start somewhere period. What will dictate the spread of the NSD will be which and how many Clubs make the grade and their proposals approved. How many from each State get the nod, obviously NSW/Vic will have the most Clubs followed by Qld. Just to throw up to hear peoples POV re the below So will it be a full East coast comp north to south ? competeing home and away ? Or State based and each winner from Syd/Melb/Bris play off for the overall winner ? < yes this was done long ago NSL times. I'm sorry SA/WA it just may not have you guys in it during the infant stages, people agree or not ? I don't see Adelaide being a problem. Adelaide to Brisbane is a 1600km flight. Melbourne to Brisbane is 206km shorter which isn't much really.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFor starters https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/the-full-list-of-30-prospective-second-division-clubs-553308Then look and read some very important points made re costs. infrastructures etcetc......and you reckon 7/8 Clubs at most let alone 18. Look through the trees. Most of the more viable ones have the grounds < might need a little updating ie lighting, accom 3k fans min, sure some will need to meet the criteria, normal. Travel biggest expense - Clubs will chase sponsers etc...... Come on open your eyes. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/media-releases/national-second-division-affordable-and-feasibleAs for the Nix current predicament, all I'm seeing is bad management between them and the APL regards this situation and worse whilst the comp is in full swing covid issues no excuse - goal posts shift were all used to this last 2yrs (specially business) other sports seem to have corrective actions in ready or more so find a way to keep the show going. I'm sure the Nix knew for sometime the issues at hand re the ground, how come the Bulls earlier in the rounds could move a home game due to their pitch being unplayable to Newcastle in a blink of an eye, yet Nix have sat on their situation. For all the big time AL/APL owners why is it our sport seem to have B grade ones. When are these clubs going to be able to operate on a fully professional basis? By fully professional I mean professional on the field and off the field with everyone being paid a professional wage. Gyfox is right, these days Aleague clubs can't even afford to play at a stadium with fans, how are NSD clubs going to be able to, even when they own their own or have popcorn rent agreements and minuscule break even crowd requirements? As for a professional wage, also correct the NSD clubs need to establish the 12k a year "apprentice wage" asap so they can professionalise like the more serious clubs. I really think the Aleague needs to look at a conference system these costs are too much for them to handle.... I still don't understand that as long as travel is covered by the clubs why can't the NSD be semi-professional if that's what it takes to get it up and going. There'd be plenty of blokes willing to have a crack with the hope of jagging a contract elsewhere even if they were on beer money. Look at the girls playing AFLW or Netball. Peanuts but they still do it. Starting the NSD as a semi professional competition is fine but to achieve what is missing in our football it must be fully professional across all departments of the clubs. Semi pro NSD is a relatively small initial step in the right direction that must be followed up on a continual basis over a number of years until it gets to where it needs to be. You make it like the National League in England: clubs can be part-time if they want (which means in an Australia context matches involving interstate travel should be on at work-friendly times, i.e. during the weekend only), but if they want to make the step up to full-time professionalism this is also permissible. If pro-rel to the A-League happens, I imagine the big NSD clubs would go fully pro to ensure a smooth transition in case of promotion, but smaller clubs would likely stay semi-pro to keep costs down. Travel costs should (and hopefully will) be centralised so that no team is disadvantaged by geographical location. Maybe this would be covered by the league's central income pool (league sponsorship, broadcasting, FA grant), but if not it should be covered by a license fee from the participating clubs to make up any shortfall. I agree it should be an open slather. If certain clubs can afford to be fully professional then we should embrace it and say good luck to them. I’m enjoying the story play out in the Scottish second tier at the moment where there is one semi professional side in the league amongst reputable clubs like Kilmarnock, Dunfermline and Inverness. The semi pro club Arbroath are currently topping the league against all odds and what a great story it’s writing itself. This is the sort of thing our second tier could generate if we release the shackles and have a combination of pro and semi pro clubs on what is viable to them. Would love to see the same thing. Genuinely hope we have this within the next decade. My question is simply this (and I mean it in the most genuine way because I don't have an answer myself): Who pays for the semi-pro club to travel across Australia, given the entire first league is on it's knees and the FA is not funding anything anymore? I feel like the only reason what you describe in Scotland works is because of the relative distances between club home grounds. Would love to be proven wrong. So apparently the travel budget for the A - League men and women and the NYL is $3 million PA. So how about $1.5m is a grant to a centralised fund for the NSD and the clubs make up the shortfall. I don't think this is as onerous of a roadblock that everyone thinks it is. As far as I understand the flights in the NSD proposal are funded centrally by the clubs. If FA have a spare $1.5m floating around I would rather it be used by the FA to subsidise players in NSD clubs 13 to 16 year old development teams to reduce the cost to players. Money could go straight to the players so it can't be redirected and club fees would need to be regulated.
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For those who are in favour of selling Wellington's license to an Australian team sound like they are in favour of the American franchise systems of the likes of the NBA, NFL, NHL etc where teams licenses are sold and teams relocated to other parts of the county. If the Wellington license is to be sold to form an Australian team in their stead, you cannae complain if in years to come other teams (ie MV, SFC, BR etc) licences were to be sold/bought and teams moved to other parts of Australia.
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+xIf the Wellington license is to be sold to form an Australian team in their stead, you cannae complain if in years to come other teams (ie MV, SFC, BR etc) licences were to be sold/bought and teams moved to other parts of Australia. One thing about the franchise/licensing system is that you have a bit of control about the spread of clubs, especially with no P&R on the horizon. But, if the whole comp continues to be short of money, once the private equity funds are gone, you can picture a future where they'll happily re-sell licenses to whoever was willing to pay some big money, and allow the owners to plonk their newly purchased franchises wherever they want.
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