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“The new World Rugby Sevens Challenger Series will introduce promotion and relegation to the World Rugby Seven Series. The new men's series will be launched in February 2020 to boost rugby sevens' development across the globe, and will feature 13 core teams from the six World Rugby regions who will compete over two rounds alongside three invitational teams. Brazil, Chile, Germany, Hong Kong, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, Tonga, Uganda, Uruguay and Zimbabwe will compete in the inaugural 2020 competition, alongside three invitational teams from the Americas in Colombia, Mexico and Paraguay. The top eight core teams after the two rounds will then compete in the final playoff tournament for a spot in the World Rugby Sevens Series, replacing the bottom placed core team in the series in the following season. The Australia men's rugby sevens team are currently ranked eighth out of 16 teams in the World Rugby Seven Series.”
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“Adelaide City football chairman Fred Lenzi says new Football Federation Australia chief executive James Johnson must address a development crisis before considering a professional second division.” https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/local-soccer-sa/adelaide-city-chairman-fred-lenzi-says-a-national-bleague-should-not-take-priority-over-youth-development/news-story/63a0706540737f03195654bdf236dd98Translation - we need more time to get our finances in order?
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“The All India Football Federation’s Super Cup, which for the past two years has pitted I-League teams against Indian Super League teams, has been paused as part of the wider overhaul of the country’s club game. It is expected that the competition will be resumed once promotion and relegation is introduced between the ISL and the I-League in the 2024-25 season, as per the roadmap for Indian club football unveiled by the federation in October. In a new development from 2024-25, the winner of the Super Cup will also qualify for the continental AFC Cup.“ https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/indian-super-cup-paused-afc-competition-qualification-confirmed/
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“3 min readThe All India Football Federation (AIFF) has asked clubs from the Indian Super League (ISL), the I-League and the I-League 2nd Division to participate in the inaugural edition of the AIFF Futsal Club Championship that is expected to host its first season in 2020.Mr Kushal Das, the General Secretary of the AIFF wrote a letter to all the clubs, stating, “Futsal is one of the fastest-growing sports in the world, and has been increasing popularity with the AFC Member Associations as well. Futsal is also seen as a complementing sport with Football for player development. There could be an opportunity for the Champion Club of this tournament to represent India for the subsequent AFC Futsal Club Championship.”“We are planning to start the tournament in July/August2O2O. The players could be from the Senior, Reserve or Under 18 teams of your Club,” the letter further stated.However, the move to introduce a new tournament despite troubles in the existing national league system does remain debatable. While the AIFF’s move to jump into the bandwagon of hosting a Futsal, termed as the next big thing in the sporting realm, is understandable, the federation should rather clear out the mess between the I-League and the ISL, and focus on developing the former, before they take on new projects. The feud between the ISL and the I-League began after the AIFF recommended to the Asia Football Confederation (AFC) that the ISL is the nation’s top-tier tournament. This caused the I-League clubs to be miffed as the coveted spot in the AFC Champions League qualifiers, earlier given to the I-League winners, is now the ISL’s. With the ISL not having a promotion-relegation system, the I-League teams felt that they were denied a fair opportunity to compete with Asia’s best.The biggest grouse that the I-League has with the AIFF is the lack of transparency in the handling of matters. With the ISL attracting big names, the I-League feels that it has been left to die a slow death. The lack of vision and interest in promoting the I-League forced clubs like Dempo FC, Salgaocar FC and Sporting Club FC to pull out of the tournament. With the two tournaments being held concurrently, the AIFF made its intention of promoting the ISL clear by allotting them prime-time late evening clots with I-League games often being held on weekday afternoons.It was only natural, then, that the top players flocked to the ISL as they had a better chance of being noticed. With the I-League facing an uncertain future, the players in the I-League play with a sense of insecurity, which affects their game. Gurpreet Singh Sandhu had expressed his concern over the same.“Not everyone is as fortunate as we are. We hear scary stories that FC Pune City are going to shut down and many I-League clubs disbanded. So, the players become insecure about their future and it becomes hard to focus on the game. The performance, too, drops.”“I know everyone is working towards a solution, but it is high time the stakeholders should set aside their agenda and think about the players’ future” he opined.Thus, with mounting problems and displeasure over the existing leagues, a question begs to be asked — should the AIFF have focussed on clearing the muddle instead of venturing in a new direction?“ https://thebridge.in/aiff-host-futsal-club-cship-2020-isl-ileague/
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“Mexican and US Soccer Leagues Rumoured to be in Discussions Over MergerThe US and Canadian Major League Soccer and Mexican Liga MX are the two largest soccer leagues in North America. The two have been working more closely together in recent years after the launch of the Campeones Cup and the Leagues Cup. ...... In the US, the most-watched soccer league is Liga MX and not MLS, so a merger would help it increase its viewing figures in its domestic market. .... A merger between the two leagues would see them both bring their own strengths to the table. MLS will bring its vast financial resources, while Liga MX has a larger fan base and more dedicated fans. .... Firstly, it will need approval from both the world and regional governing bodies, FIFA and CONCACAF. While that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t, it will involve a bureaucratic process that could drag on. CONCACAF could see a combined league as a potential route to competing with the South American CONMEBOL and Europe’s UEFA. Secondly, scheduling issues will arise since soccer can’t be played in northern US states and Canada in the winter months due to snow, while it is in Mexico. There will also be around 50 teams in the merged league, which will be too many for a round-robin league format. The new league will either need to be split into conferences like many other North American sports or have a two or three-tier pyramid system. The former would be more likely. In Mexico, Liga MX is part of a pyramid system of promotion and relegation. Merging with MLS would force them to leave this, meaning lower-tier teams no longer have the opportunity to earn their way to the top flight. .....” https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2020/06/mexican-and-us-soccer-leagues-rumoured-to-be-in-discussions-over-merger/
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+xFormer Bundesliga champions 1860 Munich relegated to third divisionThe Bavarians were officially condemned to relegation after a 3-1 aggregate defeat to Jahn Regensburg in the playoff. The Bavarians will compete in third-tier football for the first time since season 1992-93.  The future of one of Germany's storied football clubs looks unclear. Former Bundesliga champions 1860 Munich were sent to the third division, after losing 2-0 in the second leg to Jahn Regensburg, who triumphed 3-1 on aggregate. Relegation to the third tier marks the nadir for the Lions, who have endured a torrid few seasons in the second division. The Bavarians were in the playoffs two years ago, scoring in stoppage time against Holstein Kiel to avoid the drop. Last season, the pattern was similar with the Bavarians finishing two points clear of the playoff position. One of the founding members of the Bundesliga in 1963, 1860 Munich have been in chaos since 2011 when investor Hasan Ismaik purchased 60 per cent of the shares in the club. Though the Jordanian has the lion's share of control, he still only claims 49 per cent of the voting rights, so the club abides with the 50+1 regulation. A bleak future for 1860 But the cracks have been apparent for long enough, with Ismaik targeting the media and making a number of bad decisions on the sporting front. Two sporting directors with Bundesliga experience have been ditched in the past year, while there have been five different coaches since the start of 2016. The current incumbent, Vitor Pereira, will almost certainly leave the club in the face of relegation, despite his contract running until 2018. There will be serious ramifications for the Bavarian club, both in a sporting and economic context. In the third division, 1860 will collect just one million euros in TV revenues, compared to the six million in the second tier. A place in the German Cup from next season won't be guaranteed if the Bavarians remain outside of the top-two divisions. Where the club decides to play its football next season remains another point of contention. Although the current lease of the Allianz Arena runs until 2025, 1860 are expected to look for another - and more economically viable - home, with the city-owned Grünwalder Stadion, which is used for reserve and youth matches, in the frame. Given the instability off the field, there can be no guarantee of a quick revival for the former champions of Germany. http://www.dw.com/en/former-bundesliga-champions-1860-munich-relegated-to-third-division/a-39053787
”A founding Bundesliga member, 1860 Munich was a regular in Germany's top flight up until 2003-2004. It even shared Allianz Arena with Bayern. Now, 1860 – the first Munich side to win the Bundesliga in 1966 and 1965 European Cup Winners' Cup runners-up – finds itself in the third division, having dropped as low as the fourth tier due to on- and off-field issues. Initially relegated to 3. Liga following a play-off against Jahn Regensburg in 2017, 1860 was demoted to the Regionalliga Bayern after Jordanian investor Hasan Ismaik failed to pay the required licence fee. Even former Liverpool CEO Ian Ayre quit after only eight weeks at the club amid chaos. Before 1860's drastic fall, they spent 10 consecutive seasons in the Bundesliga from 1994. The highlight for Die Lowen was their fourth-placed finish in 1999-00, earning them a spot in the Champions League qualifiers. Paul Agostino played a key role in 1860's successful campaign 20 years ago and the club great told Stats Perform News: "Top-flight football was normal for 1860. We were regularly mixing it with the big boys. We had a very good squad, with big-name players. "Now 1860, being in the second division for a while, dropping all the way down to the fourth tier and now in the third division for a couple of years, it's very strange. It doesn't suit the fanbase because at the moment, the best thing about the club would be their fans. They are absolutely top-flight quality, big numbers, passionate fans. One of the best, loyal supporters you'll find in Germany." After finishing ninth in 1998-99, things clicked for 1860 the following season. Led by Werner Lorant at Olympic Stadium, the club beat champions Bayern home and away as they earned a place in the top four, ahead of the likes of Hertha Berlin, Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, Werder Bremen and 11th-placed Borussia Dortmund. 1860's Martin Max topped the Bundesliga's goalscoring charts with 19 goals, while former Australia international Agostino contributed eight of his own, before the team lost 3-1 on aggregate to Leeds United in the third round of Champions League qualifying. They also faced a star-studded Parma side, boasting Gianluigi Buffon, Fabio Cannavaro, Lilian Thuram, in the UEFA Cup in 2000, but it soon went downhill. "We'd actually thought we'd keep going further up. That was the pinnacle of 1860, where the club, president and old coach, once we'd qualified, they wanted to make Champions League qualifying the norm," the 45-year-old Agostino said, while revealing former sponsor Lowenbrau would deliver slabs of beers at the training ground after every win. "They didn't want to just stay there, they want to really cement their place and be a top-six Bundesliga side. They made some investments but it just didn't work out the following season and it spiralled downhill. Everyone thought we'd continue on our rise but in the end, it went the opposite way. "Unfortunately, purchasing Allianz Stadium with Bayern, there was a big financial burden there, which caused a lot of strain on the club. The club had to play second division and still had these high running costs. They weren't prepared for that. There were some calculation mistakes there. They were going big guns and it didn't pay off. Quick rise and a quick fall I guess." Agostino arrived from Bristol City in 1997 and while he went on to become an 1860 favourite – equal ninth on the club's all-time list for goals scored with 54 having departed in 2007 – the initial transition from English to German football was far from easy. "I had to really adjust and step up, because the fitness level was outrageous and the training sessions were unbelievable," he said. "I remember after the first few weeks and telling my family I'd never seen anything like it. That initial phase was tough. To prove my worth, at the start, my first few games I was booed by the crowd. I remember one game, it might've been against [Arminia] Bielefeld in 1997-98 – I was on the bench and a player got sent off. The coach looked to the bench and I just thought, 'don't look at me because I'm not a left winger'. And he did, he looked at me and told me to get ready for the left wing. I thought, 'oh no', first game at the Olympic Stadium and he's put me on the left wing. I couldn't get past the player, even if I had a jet rocket tied to my back. I had a terrible game, a shocking game. I gave my best. We were a man down, which made it worse. When the whistle blew, I remember walking down the tunnel and the 1860 fans were just giving it to me, telling me to go back where I came from. I remember hearing all that and thinking, 'I'll win you over, I'll prove it'. "Month by month, in that first season, I did. Another away game, where I came on again and managed to score. The tide turned. It became better and better, and I became one of the boys, locals. I just loved it. I loved the way we treated each other. I always had time to give to the fans. Whenever a little kid wanted a shirt, I always gave them my shirt off my back. Even we sat down and had a beer. There were a lot of fan clubs around Munich and sometimes for a Christmas party, players would be allocated to visit a fan club. One time, I just sat there with them, and instead of getting around some questions, I just ended up having four, five beers with them. It was great fun. Things don't work that ways these days, but we didn't have training the next day. That gets around and how I became one of them. I still have that respect probably today. I don't get stopped in the street but I get that look, they know. They look at you and I think they're 1860 supporters." "I was probably playing some of my best football," Agostino added on the 1999-00 season. "It was, even for me, also some other clubs interested in me. But at the same time, I didn't want to go anywhere. I was of the same opinion that 1860 were going to have some good times. "No one saw it coming. All the more disappointing it was. Sometimes, football is disappointing and you don't know why it happened. Like, how come it clicked to finish fourth but not when the team slipped down the ladder? It's hard to stop the downward trend." Agostino experienced the Munich derby first-hand before 1860's demise – the city rivals have not met since 2008. While Bayern have dominated, 1860 enjoyed some big moments of their own, especially in 1999-00. "Breathtaking, exhilarating, nerve-draining," the Australian recalled the derby. "No doubt, the biggest game of the season at the Olympic Stadium. Certainly, to be involved in the game and not getting thrashed, especially the games we won. We were pumped a few times, but that season in 1999-00 we deserved to beat them twice [1-0 and 2-1]. That was a great feeling. "I remember at half-time, coming into the dressing room, one derby I had to throw up because it was just so nerve-racking. Eat a couple of bananas to settle the stomach and off you go again. Obviously, the feeling afterwards to beat Munich twice, we were the kings of the city. We celebrated hard, too. We made sure to take advantage of it. If we were going to beat Munich, then we would let the whole city know. We played hard and enjoyed it, let's put it that way." Then, the groundshare happened amid backlash from 1860 fans. 1860 had called Allianz Arena home since its opening in 2004-2005 ahead of the 2006 World Cup, alongside Bayern. Having previously held an equal share in the stadium, 1860 sold their half to Bayern in 2006 but they continued to host matches at the ground as a tenant. However, the lights stopped illuminating blue at Allianz Arena in 2017 after Bayern cancelled the contract of their beleaguered rivals. 1860 now play at the 15,000-capacity Grunwalder Stadion, which was the previously the club's home until 1995. "From a players' perspective, I loved playing at the Allianz Arena," Agostino said. "We had our own section on the left-hand side. Our own changing rooms, luxury showers, swimming pool and spa. Bayern were on the other side. We saw it as our own stadium. The seats weren't painted red, it was a neutral colour. "In order for the stadium to be built in the first place, the city of Bavaria, they stipulated the new stadium had to be 50-50 ownership. We felt at home there. In the first few seasons, we filled it up fine. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was just a few years later where the crowds started to dwindle and that's when it became a problem financially. Catering costs and things like that. Things started to get out of hand. It's like playing in a big cloud. When we played our home games, it lit up sky blue. It was just awesome." Fast-forward to 2020-21 and 1860 are preparing for another season in 3. Liga. Having flirted with promotion last term, Michael Kollner's men eventually finished eighth. So, how far off are 1860 from moving up to the second tier? "Third division in Germany is a very even league, where anyone can beat anyone," Agostino said. "With a bit of form and a decent squad, it's certainly within the club to get back up. Purely on their fanbase, it would push any team to go for promotion. It's certainly within their strengths to be in the running. "But saying that, you have to take their jigsaw puzzle apart a bit and go back to where these problems started. Back then, they were saved by the Jordanian investor. For some reason, there doesn't seem to be a 100 per cent unity within the club. It can sometimes reflect performance. The day 1860 are 100 per cent working with each other from the investor, all the way down to the kitman or physio, that's the day they'll be back in the running again and able to hit their straps to be where they should be. But I'm not convinced, without knowing all the details, the club indoors everything is running smoothly, the way 1860 should be running. They need to have a happy investor, they need to have everyone agreeing with each other, and I don't have that feeling. Someone is having a go at someone all the time, and that's what is holding them back. "They have the fans. Even in the third division, their squad budget should be enough to have them up there. Really, it's going to be a case of can we get everyone on the same wavelength. Because it's too big of a club, a traditional club, it's culture. An amazing club with fantastic support." "There's obviously some sort of turmoil or misunderstandings," he continued. "But like I said, they would get back to strengths very quickly if everyone is on the same side. It's simple but seems to be complicated. Maybe someone has agendas. I don't know but don't need to know but the facts are there."
https://www.beinsports.com/au/bundesliga/news/the-spectacular-rise-and-fall-of-1860-munich/1531878
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Oldham Athletic , the first EPL club to be relegated from EFL to English 5th tier https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61125002
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Spare a thought or Swindon Towns Australian owner Clem Mofuni
Depending on how Saturdays sychronised games play out, the broke club he bought a year ago can either get automatic promotion to League 1, make the promotion playoffs or miss out altogether by 2 places
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+xSpare a thought or Swindon Towns Australian owner Clem Mofuni Depending on how Saturdays sychronised games play out, the broke club he bought a year ago can either get automatic promotion to League 1, make the promotion playoffs or miss out altogether by 2 places Just an add on Dean Bouzanis is chasing a double jump sitting just outside the playoff with Sutton in 8th, can make it to play-offs with a win and results (really interesting point is he went over to support his missus football career and joined Sutton as a way of paying bill. Not a bad gig pushing for league One.)
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+xSpare a thought or Swindon Towns Australian owner Clem Mofuni Depending on how Saturdays sychronised games play out, the broke club he bought a year ago can either get automatic promotion to League 1, make the promotion playoffs or miss out altogether by 2 places yer go Clem and the Robins ! I used to play Club and 6aside with Clem not that long ago. IF their attack keeps banging them in as they have over the season should be the win. They did Wallsall 5zip previous encounter. Hoping other results go their way worst case into play offs butbut hard to call for yer could go all against them.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61364370Unlikely scorelines. Pitch invasions. Outfield players in goal. Joey Barton. A "footballing miracle". In the long history of the English Football League there has never quite been a final day like this. Bristol Rovers leapfrogged Northampton Town and secured automatic promotion to League One on goals scored after winning 7-0 (SEVEN) on the final day.
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+xhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61364370Unlikely scorelines. Pitch invasions. Outfield players in goal. Joey Barton. A "footballing miracle". In the long history of the English Football League there has never quite been a final day like this. Bristol Rovers leapfrogged Northampton Town and secured automatic promotion to League One on goals scored after winning 7-0 (SEVEN) on the final day. Just watched a bunch of highlights on Twitter. Awesome stuff. Feel dudded we live in Australia for things like this. I'd love to see pro rel battles in my lifetime but I'm not confident.
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+x+xhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61364370Unlikely scorelines. Pitch invasions. Outfield players in goal. Joey Barton. A "footballing miracle". In the long history of the English Football League there has never quite been a final day like this. Bristol Rovers leapfrogged Northampton Town and secured automatic promotion to League One on goals scored after winning 7-0 (SEVEN) on the final day. Just watched a bunch of highlights on Twitter. Awesome stuff. Feel dudded we live in Australia for things like this. I'd love to see pro rel battles in my lifetime but I'm not confident. My fav Bristol Rovers season top scorer Pissed up On a traffic light Still in his match kit Leading the sing-song https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Faaroncollinsx%2Fstatus%2F1523226075068780551%3Fs%3D20%26t%3DeirysKqVkD6U7Gx3coQ65g&data=05%7C01%7C%7C555fd29ab6fa4803706908da315667d1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637876544426555605%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Adf%2BiJ%2Fej6vxGZaEFSVf0Vm7XHjjXi1GrxKa1k7BjwI%3D&reserved=0
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yer can't beat P/R outcomes, our games best asset. Bristol Rovers - imagine being a supporter at that game what you go through watching, what a finish. Come on Swindon Town in the play offs. in the EPL you've got Everton/Burnley/Leeds fighting out 3/4 more games who goona join Watford/Norwich back in the Championship. Great viewing, ecstacy or agony for supporters.
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+xEverton finishing 5th last  tbf to Danny Trainwreck there dont see to be too many "bums on seats" :)
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haha yer they survived coming back from 2down, P/R love it even if its the Toffs and imagine as a supporter what makes you feel to comeback to the next games again and again and again the following seasons, thats football !
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Nottingham Forest back in the EPL
Crazy Generational experience for their fan base
42 years ago 2x Eouropen Champions
22 years ago last in EPL
17 years ago down to 3rd Tier
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+xNottingham Forest back in the EPL Crazy Generational experience for their fan base 42 years ago 2x Eouropen Champions 22 years ago last in EPL 17 years ago down to 3rd Tier And across the river, the oldest pro club in the world, now 5th Tier.
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If certain A League teams were subject to the actual throes of do or die of competitive football they'd be playing at cow paddocks in AA7's.
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+xQuoting JFK's nation defining speech in regards to football. Sorry Les, nah. As much as I want it to happen it's just not viable. Perhaps when the next TV rights deal comes in the FFA will be able to give out parachute payments to clubs that are relegated. As of now though, asking a relegated team to even survive with a massive wage bill with a probably 80% drop in crowds, in addition to not being able to sell players to clubs, it's just not happening. Good luck with that. I know your posts is 7 years ago
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+x+xFormer Bundesliga champions 1860 Munich relegated to third divisionThe Bavarians were officially condemned to relegation after a 3-1 aggregate defeat to Jahn Regensburg in the playoff. The Bavarians will compete in third-tier football for the first time since season 1992-93.  The future of one of Germany's storied football clubs looks unclear. Former Bundesliga champions 1860 Munich were sent to the third division, after losing 2-0 in the second leg to Jahn Regensburg, who triumphed 3-1 on aggregate. Relegation to the third tier marks the nadir for the Lions, who have endured a torrid few seasons in the second division. The Bavarians were in the playoffs two years ago, scoring in stoppage time against Holstein Kiel to avoid the drop. Last season, the pattern was similar with the Bavarians finishing two points clear of the playoff position. One of the founding members of the Bundesliga in 1963, 1860 Munich have been in chaos since 2011 when investor Hasan Ismaik purchased 60 per cent of the shares in the club. Though the Jordanian has the lion's share of control, he still only claims 49 per cent of the voting rights, so the club abides with the 50+1 regulation. A bleak future for 1860 But the cracks have been apparent for long enough, with Ismaik targeting the media and making a number of bad decisions on the sporting front. Two sporting directors with Bundesliga experience have been ditched in the past year, while there have been five different coaches since the start of 2016. The current incumbent, Vitor Pereira, will almost certainly leave the club in the face of relegation, despite his contract running until 2018. There will be serious ramifications for the Bavarian club, both in a sporting and economic context. In the third division, 1860 will collect just one million euros in TV revenues, compared to the six million in the second tier. A place in the German Cup from next season won't be guaranteed if the Bavarians remain outside of the top-two divisions. Where the club decides to play its football next season remains another point of contention. Although the current lease of the Allianz Arena runs until 2025, 1860 are expected to look for another - and more economically viable - home, with the city-owned Grünwalder Stadion, which is used for reserve and youth matches, in the frame. Given the instability off the field, there can be no guarantee of a quick revival for the former champions of Germany. http://www.dw.com/en/former-bundesliga-champions-1860-munich-relegated-to-third-division/a-39053787
”A founding Bundesliga member, 1860 Munich was a regular in Germany's top flight up until 2003-2004. It even shared Allianz Arena with Bayern. Now, 1860 – the first Munich side to win the Bundesliga in 1966 and 1965 European Cup Winners' Cup runners-up – finds itself in the third division, having dropped as low as the fourth tier due to on- and off-field issues. Initially relegated to 3. Liga following a play-off against Jahn Regensburg in 2017, 1860 was demoted to the Regionalliga Bayern after Jordanian investor Hasan Ismaik failed to pay the required licence fee. Even former Liverpool CEO Ian Ayre quit after only eight weeks at the club amid chaos. Before 1860's drastic fall, they spent 10 consecutive seasons in the Bundesliga from 1994. The highlight for Die Lowen was their fourth-placed finish in 1999-00, earning them a spot in the Champions League qualifiers. Paul Agostino played a key role in 1860's successful campaign 20 years ago and the club great told Stats Perform News: "Top-flight football was normal for 1860. We were regularly mixing it with the big boys. We had a very good squad, with big-name players. "Now 1860, being in the second division for a while, dropping all the way down to the fourth tier and now in the third division for a couple of years, it's very strange. It doesn't suit the fanbase because at the moment, the best thing about the club would be their fans. They are absolutely top-flight quality, big numbers, passionate fans. One of the best, loyal supporters you'll find in Germany." After finishing ninth in 1998-99, things clicked for 1860 the following season. Led by Werner Lorant at Olympic Stadium, the club beat champions Bayern home and away as they earned a place in the top four, ahead of the likes of Hertha Berlin, Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, Werder Bremen and 11th-placed Borussia Dortmund. 1860's Martin Max topped the Bundesliga's goalscoring charts with 19 goals, while former Australia international Agostino contributed eight of his own, before the team lost 3-1 on aggregate to Leeds United in the third round of Champions League qualifying. They also faced a star-studded Parma side, boasting Gianluigi Buffon, Fabio Cannavaro, Lilian Thuram, in the UEFA Cup in 2000, but it soon went downhill. "We'd actually thought we'd keep going further up. That was the pinnacle of 1860, where the club, president and old coach, once we'd qualified, they wanted to make Champions League qualifying the norm," the 45-year-old Agostino said, while revealing former sponsor Lowenbrau would deliver slabs of beers at the training ground after every win. "They didn't want to just stay there, they want to really cement their place and be a top-six Bundesliga side. They made some investments but it just didn't work out the following season and it spiralled downhill. Everyone thought we'd continue on our rise but in the end, it went the opposite way. "Unfortunately, purchasing Allianz Stadium with Bayern, there was a big financial burden there, which caused a lot of strain on the club. The club had to play second division and still had these high running costs. They weren't prepared for that. There were some calculation mistakes there. They were going big guns and it didn't pay off. Quick rise and a quick fall I guess." Agostino arrived from Bristol City in 1997 and while he went on to become an 1860 favourite – equal ninth on the club's all-time list for goals scored with 54 having departed in 2007 – the initial transition from English to German football was far from easy. "I had to really adjust and step up, because the fitness level was outrageous and the training sessions were unbelievable," he said. "I remember after the first few weeks and telling my family I'd never seen anything like it. That initial phase was tough. To prove my worth, at the start, my first few games I was booed by the crowd. I remember one game, it might've been against [Arminia] Bielefeld in 1997-98 – I was on the bench and a player got sent off. The coach looked to the bench and I just thought, 'don't look at me because I'm not a left winger'. And he did, he looked at me and told me to get ready for the left wing. I thought, 'oh no', first game at the Olympic Stadium and he's put me on the left wing. I couldn't get past the player, even if I had a jet rocket tied to my back. I had a terrible game, a shocking game. I gave my best. We were a man down, which made it worse. When the whistle blew, I remember walking down the tunnel and the 1860 fans were just giving it to me, telling me to go back where I came from. I remember hearing all that and thinking, 'I'll win you over, I'll prove it'. "Month by month, in that first season, I did. Another away game, where I came on again and managed to score. The tide turned. It became better and better, and I became one of the boys, locals. I just loved it. I loved the way we treated each other. I always had time to give to the fans. Whenever a little kid wanted a shirt, I always gave them my shirt off my back. Even we sat down and had a beer. There were a lot of fan clubs around Munich and sometimes for a Christmas party, players would be allocated to visit a fan club. One time, I just sat there with them, and instead of getting around some questions, I just ended up having four, five beers with them. It was great fun. Things don't work that ways these days, but we didn't have training the next day. That gets around and how I became one of them. I still have that respect probably today. I don't get stopped in the street but I get that look, they know. They look at you and I think they're 1860 supporters." "I was probably playing some of my best football," Agostino added on the 1999-00 season. "It was, even for me, also some other clubs interested in me. But at the same time, I didn't want to go anywhere. I was of the same opinion that 1860 were going to have some good times. "No one saw it coming. All the more disappointing it was. Sometimes, football is disappointing and you don't know why it happened. Like, how come it clicked to finish fourth but not when the team slipped down the ladder? It's hard to stop the downward trend." Agostino experienced the Munich derby first-hand before 1860's demise – the city rivals have not met since 2008. While Bayern have dominated, 1860 enjoyed some big moments of their own, especially in 1999-00. "Breathtaking, exhilarating, nerve-draining," the Australian recalled the derby. "No doubt, the biggest game of the season at the Olympic Stadium. Certainly, to be involved in the game and not getting thrashed, especially the games we won. We were pumped a few times, but that season in 1999-00 we deserved to beat them twice [1-0 and 2-1]. That was a great feeling. "I remember at half-time, coming into the dressing room, one derby I had to throw up because it was just so nerve-racking. Eat a couple of bananas to settle the stomach and off you go again. Obviously, the feeling afterwards to beat Munich twice, we were the kings of the city. We celebrated hard, too. We made sure to take advantage of it. If we were going to beat Munich, then we would let the whole city know. We played hard and enjoyed it, let's put it that way." Then, the groundshare happened amid backlash from 1860 fans. 1860 had called Allianz Arena home since its opening in 2004-2005 ahead of the 2006 World Cup, alongside Bayern. Having previously held an equal share in the stadium, 1860 sold their half to Bayern in 2006 but they continued to host matches at the ground as a tenant. However, the lights stopped illuminating blue at Allianz Arena in 2017 after Bayern cancelled the contract of their beleaguered rivals. 1860 now play at the 15,000-capacity Grunwalder Stadion, which was the previously the club's home until 1995. "From a players' perspective, I loved playing at the Allianz Arena," Agostino said. "We had our own section on the left-hand side. Our own changing rooms, luxury showers, swimming pool and spa. Bayern were on the other side. We saw it as our own stadium. The seats weren't painted red, it was a neutral colour. "In order for the stadium to be built in the first place, the city of Bavaria, they stipulated the new stadium had to be 50-50 ownership. We felt at home there. In the first few seasons, we filled it up fine. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was just a few years later where the crowds started to dwindle and that's when it became a problem financially. Catering costs and things like that. Things started to get out of hand. It's like playing in a big cloud. When we played our home games, it lit up sky blue. It was just awesome." Fast-forward to 2020-21 and 1860 are preparing for another season in 3. Liga. Having flirted with promotion last term, Michael Kollner's men eventually finished eighth. So, how far off are 1860 from moving up to the second tier? "Third division in Germany is a very even league, where anyone can beat anyone," Agostino said. "With a bit of form and a decent squad, it's certainly within the club to get back up. Purely on their fanbase, it would push any team to go for promotion. It's certainly within their strengths to be in the running. "But saying that, you have to take their jigsaw puzzle apart a bit and go back to where these problems started. Back then, they were saved by the Jordanian investor. For some reason, there doesn't seem to be a 100 per cent unity within the club. It can sometimes reflect performance. The day 1860 are 100 per cent working with each other from the investor, all the way down to the kitman or physio, that's the day they'll be back in the running again and able to hit their straps to be where they should be. But I'm not convinced, without knowing all the details, the club indoors everything is running smoothly, the way 1860 should be running. They need to have a happy investor, they need to have everyone agreeing with each other, and I don't have that feeling. Someone is having a go at someone all the time, and that's what is holding them back. "They have the fans. Even in the third division, their squad budget should be enough to have them up there. Really, it's going to be a case of can we get everyone on the same wavelength. Because it's too big of a club, a traditional club, it's culture. An amazing club with fantastic support." "There's obviously some sort of turmoil or misunderstandings," he continued. "But like I said, they would get back to strengths very quickly if everyone is on the same side. It's simple but seems to be complicated. Maybe someone has agendas. I don't know but don't need to know but the facts are there."
https://www.beinsports.com/au/bundesliga/news/the-spectacular-rise-and-fall-of-1860-munich/1531878 A good read
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