National second division is kicking off with or without FFA


National second division is kicking off with or without FFA

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LFC. - 20 May 2022 12:56 PM
AyyLeague - 18 May 2022 7:21 PM

It was mentioned by the JJ guru that is exactely what they wish to capitilise on due to the WWC.
Yes MSC its been quiet but lets keep the faith at this stage.

When do you reckon they would announce it, if it all goes to plan?

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AyyLeague - 21 May 2022 6:12 PM
LFC. - 20 May 2022 12:56 PM

When do you reckon they would announce it, if it all goes to plan?

Considering that the next ALM season will start after the World Cup there is plenty of time to get things organised.
I would expect major announcements to be made around August/September.
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AyyLeague - 18 May 2022 7:19 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 May 2022 10:38 PM

Not to have a dig at previous winners like SM and Wollongong but between that and the Perth Glory Premiership the following season is why I largely despise the finals series as a concept and how it's connected to the league (don't even mention the farce behind Victory's last GF win).
I will give credit to the APL for this season's format in getting the balance right - the top 2 get the extra time to prepare and get 2-legs to play, whilst the winners get the same time to prepare for the final - but I wish it was treated as its own thing though, like what the NSL cup was initially.

I don't disagree, I wish more emphasis was placed on the league champion as opposed to the millions of different formulas we have used over the past 50 years to determine finals placings.... It is what it is though and, with a lack of competitive tension seen throughout the world with pro/rel, end of year placements determining who will and won't go to continental cups the next year. Plus most  countries have at least a national cup and some sort of league cup, therefore plenty of finals to go around and the championship is clearly defined.... Maybe/if the Australia cup ever gains a bit of prestige and winning the Aleague is a stepping stone to meaningful competition in ACL we can mature enough to do away with finals...... maybe. But for now, its the way we decide things here.... I don't  mind, unless South loses ofcourse :) 
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libelous - 21 May 2022 7:24 PM
AyyLeague - 21 May 2022 6:12 PM

Considering that the next ALM season will start after the World Cup there is plenty of time to get things organised.
I would expect major announcements to be made around August/September.

I agree, they will ask for expressions of interest ( with extremely  vague guidelines like last time)  in September or October with a league starting date of January... There will ofcourse be only 2 or 3 NPL clubs with the wherewithal to get up and running, squad and administration wise ,in the time and the FA will say, "No problem the other 12 teams in the league will be Aleague academy youth squads."......
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Lets see if the board manage to pick the wrong structure

Surely not

https://www.espn.com/soccer/australian-a-league-men/story/4679965/football-australia-set-to-present-national-second-division-models-to-potential-clubs
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numklpkgulftumch - 3 Jun 2022 9:04 AM

Thanks, I just threw up in my mouth a little :(

"In collaboration with Kleinmann Wang, a consultancy firm led by Football NSW chairman Anter Isaac"

"Assuming that no objections are raised by chairperson Chris Nikou's board"

"which might require clubs to change the way they're governed and managed."

"as a concept to be grandfathered in or immediate, upon its launch."

"Regulations surrounding the encoding of young player minutes into the competition's framework will also be the subject of discussion.

"It's going to be a senior competition with a youth development flavour throughout it," said Johnson"



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Every time I read the title of this thread I laugh. What a joke.


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Munrubenmuz - 3 Jun 2022 9:57 AM
Every time I read the title of this thread I laugh. What a joke.

5 years ago now :(
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Just out of curiosity, if Sydney FC win the NPL NSW  would they then be aiming for a spot in the NSD? 
They would of theoretically "earned" it. 
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gul15 - 3 Jun 2022 12:39 PM
Just out of curiosity, if Sydney FC win the NPL NSW  would they then be aiming for a spot in the NSD? 
They would of theoretically "earned" it. 

Hahaha. Boy oh boy are you naive.


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Is this actually starting? 6 months to go until the new year.. you would have thought there would be an announcement so clubs have time to get ready for 2023.
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Munrubenmuz - 3 Jun 2022 2:06 PM
gul15 - 3 Jun 2022 12:39 PM

Hahaha. Boy oh boy are you naive.

For a football fan not sure about what happens outside of franchised leagues its a fair point he/she makes Muz...

@gul15  I guess, like everywhere, pretty much else, in the world B teams will not be able to compete in the same league as their "firsts" as a matter of conflict of interest and the promotion spot will go to the next eligible club... After a few seasons of this being in place (not that I believe it will EVER happen here) the so called Aleague academy teams will not be in any position to even think about competing in the NPL let alone winning it.
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gul15 - 3 Jun 2022 12:39 PM
Just out of curiosity, if Sydney FC win the NPL NSW  would they then be aiming for a spot in the NSD? 
They would of theoretically "earned" it. 

Format is being worked out now

Then criteria for entry

Then a starting 12 will be invited

If the format chosen allows for Promotion into it, then the procedure will be announced along with a timeline

Hopefully its a standard league as per AAFC preferred model with an immediate P/R for NPL qualifiers


No fucking Academies, ressies or similar bullshit

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numklpkgulftumch - 3 Jun 2022 7:21 PM
gul15 - 3 Jun 2022 12:39 PM

Format is being worked out now

Then criteria for entry

Then a starting 12 will be invited

If the format chosen allows for Promotion into it, then the procedure will be announced along with a timeline

Hopefully its a standard league as per AAFC preferred model with an immediate P/R for NPL qualifiers


No fucking Academies, ressies or similar bullshit

Edit:  I was waffling on not having realised what you meant.  I agree that the NSD should be for separate clubs not ALM aligned teams.
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numklpkgulftumch - 3 Jun 2022 7:21 PM
gul15 - 3 Jun 2022 12:39 PM

Format is being worked out now

Then criteria for entry

Then a starting 12 will be invited

If the format chosen allows for Promotion into it, then the procedure will be announced along with a timeline

Hopefully its a standard league as per AAFC preferred model with an immediate P/R for NPL qualifiers


No fucking Academies, ressies or similar bullshit

Amen.
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If we implement the league gap like Germany. The highest league a B-team (first team playing A-League) can play is NPL which I think is fair. Div 3 as the pinnacle for reserves would be fine IMO. I dont think we can cater for the Spanish/Dutch model where B-teams can be directly below a division. That also means if Glory hypothetically got relegated from the top flight, their NPL team would drop too which could be interesting flavour.

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We better brace ourselves.
Whatever the more influential clubs want, that's what we'll get.

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bettega - 5 Jun 2022 12:41 PM
We better brace ourselves.
Whatever the more influential clubs want, that's what we'll get.

The "influential clubs" in the ALM shouldn't be having a say and AAFC has done a good job of bringing the NPL clubs together in support of an NSD so there should be no problems there.

I think this is the real test for JJ.  Giving the ALM wider influence and more presence in the upper tiers of our pyramid is not what football needs at this time.
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I am not aware of the ALM (or APL for that matter) being involved in setting up the NSD so the reference to ‘influential clubs ‘ must mean NPL clubs.
I must admit I am not up to date with who the ‘top dogs’ are in the NPL set up, perhaps someone can enlighten me.
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libelous - 5 Jun 2022 1:29 PM
I am not aware of the ALM (or APL for that matter) being involved in setting up the NSD so the reference to ‘influential clubs ‘ must mean NPL clubs.
I must admit I am not up to date with who the ‘top dogs’ are in the NPL set up, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

JJ says in the article the APL and PFA will be consulted in the latter part of the process because they are important stakeholders.
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Gyfox - 5 Jun 2022 1:46 PM
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JJ says in the article the APL and PFA will be consulted in the latter part of the process because they are important stakeholders.

Of course they will be consulted, one of the hallmarks of this administration is ‘inclusivity not exclusivity’. That was one of the failings of the previous governing body.
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Just to emphasis, James Johnson is determined to build the pyramid and so every stakeholder is important to that process.
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libelous - 5 Jun 2022 3:45 PM
Just to emphasis, James Johnson is determined to build the pyramid and so every stakeholder is important to that process.

Determined ?

I thought his job is do what the board decide.

Theyve been shoved by the AAFC and the A-league struggling

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numklpkgulftumch - 5 Jun 2022 5:32 PM
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Determined ?

I thought his job is do what the board decide.

Theyve been shoved by the AAFC and the A-league struggling

The CEO of any organisation does the ‘spadework’ in putting together a proposal then passes it to the board for approval or rejection or anything in between. In this instance Johnson’s proposals are likely to be given the nod.
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Of course they are going to say the APL is being consulted.
They're not going to come straight out and say they will bow to whatever they desire.

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libelous - 5 Jun 2022 6:43 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 5 Jun 2022 5:32 PM

The CEO of any organisation does the ‘spadework’ in putting together a proposal then passes it to the board for approval or rejection or anything in between. In this instance Johnson’s proposals are likely to be given the nod.

Do you have a link ti the proposals and which one is his preference please?

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numklpkgulftumch - 5 Jun 2022 7:14 PM
libelous - 5 Jun 2022 6:43 PM

Do you have a link ti the proposals and which one is his preference please?


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libelous - 5 Jun 2022 7:31 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 5 Jun 2022 7:14 PM

Idiotic post
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bettega - 5 Jun 2022 7:08 PM
Of course they are going to say the APL is being consulted.
They're not going to come straight out and say they will bow to whatever they desire.

Another idiotic post.
Why don’t some of you guys put forward something to debate instead of thinly veiled dislike of ....well....  everything proposed to move the game forward .
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numklpkgulftumch - 5 Jun 2022 7:14 PM
libelous - 5 Jun 2022 6:43 PM

which (proposal) is his preference ...?

Fair  question 
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