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+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've just recorded goals scored from Australia's forwards, wingers and attacking mids since 2005. Duke has the third highest strike rate per game of all players, behind Kennedy and Cahill. We are excluding Oceanian games. Mitch scores goals at a rate of 4.1 goals for every 10 games played. Or 0.41 goals per game. Maclaren is about 3.2 goals every 10 games played - or 0.32 goals per game. Both are better than John Aloisi, and way in front of our supposed superstars, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka. Leckie is 1.8 goals for every 10 games played, or 0.18 goals per game. This is pretty atrocious for a guy playing as a forward for 72 games! Food for thought for who makes the plane trip. Honestly think goals scored against minnows should only count as 0.5 goals! And goals scored in crucial WCQ’s and actual WCUP & Asian Cup should carry more weight. Arnold should think of Who can actually score against good opponents at a massive tournament?! Kewell scored crucial goals for Roos when needed, as did Aloisi and Cahill. Who in current squad can produce a goal under heavy pressure??! And not just from penalty spot…
Tilio, D"agostino and Taggert. Tilio and D'agostino having played in the A-League haven't experienced "heavy pressure" much if at all. Tilio hasn’t played in any heavy pressure matches? He played in the grand final with Atkinson which they won last year... The A-League is significantly below international football and light years different to a World Cup game as far as defensive pressure is concerned. The problem we have is that because of Covid we haven't been able to arrange enough international friendlies to blood and give the young up and coming attacking players the opportunity to test and prove themselves against better players so we don't know whether any of them will cope with the jump in standard. Most players don't make the grade, even players like Scott McDonald, a prolific scorer with a league career 196 goals, failed to get his name on the score sheet in 26 internationals for Australia. If it's good enough for Arnie to thrust into an high pressure like the UAE and Peru games then it's good enough for a World Cup? Kye Rowles was thrown into the deep end and was probably our best player against Peru and he's only experience has been playing in the a-league. The biggest disadvantage for a-league players is they won't have enough matches to put them into contention when the a-league season starts in October, the stakeholders of concern should move the season sooner to August and increase the a-league players chances of making the plane to Qatar but we know not every decision with the a-league has been about what's best for the football so I have my doubts this will happen. I can see a few moves being made to Europe as that might make or break when trying to get into contention. McDonald wasn't effective because the responsibility he was given was not sustainable to bring it into international football, alot of the times the Socceroos play 4-2-3-1 where McDonald worked well in a 4-4-2 as a twin striker which they rarely used and struggled as the sole striker.
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+xI was thinking how rejuvenated our midfield will hopefully become once we can play the next batch. Our bold/ future 11 would be Ryan Souttar Sainsbury Rowles Atkinson Devlin Elder Genreau McGree Hrustic Boyle Souttar can probably only play in the middle if 3 at the back, doubt he’ll be able to cover out wide. RCB / CCB / LCB 184cm Sainsbury - 198cm Souttar - 185cm Rowles Next best options probably 182cm Deng - 190cm Spiranovic - 187cm Good 184cm Wright - 187cm Williams - 187cm Degenek 185cm Tongyik - 196cm JRB - 190cm Mcgowan
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+x+xI was thinking how rejuvenated our midfield will hopefully become once we can play the next batch. Our bold/ future 11 would be Ryan Souttar Sainsbury Rowles Atkinson Devlin Elder Genreau McGree Hrustic Boyle Souttar can probably only play in the middle if 3 at the back, doubt he’ll be able to cover out wide. RCB / CCB / LCB 184cm Sainsbury - 198cm Souttar - 185cm Rowles Next best options probably 182cm Deng - 190cm Spiranovic - 187cm Good 184cm Wright - 187cm Williams - 187cm Degenek 185cm Tongyik - 196cm JRB - 190cm Mcgowan Out of interest I looked and Souttar wasn't employed centrally in Stoke's back 3. I actually put Sainsbury in the middle by mistake. Fancy that. He was in the middle for the Olyroos I think.
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+x+x+xthinking about this more, this team is not a team of 11 but a team of 23 and we HAVE to rotate so we aren't gassed by the third game like the last 2 world cups our 2nd best player in each position is very close to as good as the first … every starting lineup should have a bunch of players that didn't play the last game Agreed. To that end, it might be helpful to change formation minority. For the matches against Tunisia and Denmark, I’d be thinking 4-2–3-1 and include Karacic as a fullback. But against France, I’d say 3-5-2. We gave three really good central defenders in Sainsbury, Rowles and Souttar (if fit). Wright, although maybe more inconsistent, can also be really good. So you have a back three of those guys. And for that match, you bring in Atkinson for Karacic. Potentially a different fullback on the other side, too. That's very true instead of the BVM 3 match lumped 11. Atkinson will be fine as a wing back with a back 3. Game vs France. Please consider Rowles with half a Scottish season. Ryan Sainsbury Souttar Rowles Atkinson Mooy Elder Hrustic Irvine Boyle Taggart Our bench. French bench. French water bottle crate. Redmayne. That's a good side that! Although I'd include rogic for one of them
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Lot of you guys forgetting Ryan strain who will be playing for Maccabi Haifa in their champions league qualifiers.
Haven't seen much of him play buy as recently as a yr ago there were big wraps on him
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+xLot of you guys forgetting Ryan strain who will be playing for Maccabi Haifa in their champions league qualifiers. Haven't seen much of him play buy as recently as a yr ago there were big wraps on him He's just moved to St Mirren apparently.
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+x+xLot of you guys forgetting Ryan strain who will be playing for Maccabi Haifa in their champions league qualifiers. Haven't seen much of him play buy as recently as a yr ago there were big wraps on him He's just moved to St Mirren apparently. Wow. Half the A league are there now.
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Squad has been increased to 26.
Ryan Strain is a good player but he'd need a massive start to the SPL to get a look in. Don't think he's ever been within cooee of teh squad.
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When one compiles statistics impartially, surprises always occur.
Souttar, Duke, Taggart and Maclaren in that order, plus wingers Boyle and Mabil, are scoring goals at a higher rate per game for the Socceroos than some of our supposed Golden Generation, like Kewell and Viduka, and long term wingers, Leckie and Kruse.
Cahill and Kennedy have the highest goal scoring rates per game, and also Archie and Aloisi if we count their Oceanian games.
All of the aforementioned sextet deserve to be on the Qatar plane based on the scoring stats.
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+x+xLot of you guys forgetting Ryan strain who will be playing for Maccabi Haifa in their champions league qualifiers. Haven't seen much of him play buy as recently as a yr ago there were big wraps on him He's just moved to St Mirren apparently. Seems like a STRAINge move going from Israeli champions and CL qualifiers to St. Mirren. Looks like a backward step unless he wasn't getting game time at Maccabi Haifa.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've just recorded goals scored from Australia's forwards, wingers and attacking mids since 2005. Duke has the third highest strike rate per game of all players, behind Kennedy and Cahill. We are excluding Oceanian games. Mitch scores goals at a rate of 4.1 goals for every 10 games played. Or 0.41 goals per game. Maclaren is about 3.2 goals every 10 games played - or 0.32 goals per game. Both are better than John Aloisi, and way in front of our supposed superstars, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka. Leckie is 1.8 goals for every 10 games played, or 0.18 goals per game. This is pretty atrocious for a guy playing as a forward for 72 games! Food for thought for who makes the plane trip. Honestly think goals scored against minnows should only count as 0.5 goals! And goals scored in crucial WCQ’s and actual WCUP & Asian Cup should carry more weight. Arnold should think of Who can actually score against good opponents at a massive tournament?! Kewell scored crucial goals for Roos when needed, as did Aloisi and Cahill. Who in current squad can produce a goal under heavy pressure??! And not just from penalty spot…
Tilio, D"agostino and Taggert. Tilio and D'agostino having played in the A-League haven't experienced "heavy pressure" much if at all. Tilio hasn’t played in any heavy pressure matches? He played in the grand final with Atkinson which they won last year... The A-League is significantly below international football and light years different to a World Cup game as far as defensive pressure is concerned. The problem we have is that because of Covid we haven't been able to arrange enough international friendlies to blood and give the young up and coming attacking players the opportunity to test and prove themselves against better players so we don't know whether any of them will cope with the jump in standard. Most players don't make the grade, even players like Scott McDonald, a prolific scorer with a league career 196 goals, failed to get his name on the score sheet in 26 internationals for Australia. If it's good enough for Arnie to thrust into an high pressure like the UAE and Peru games then it's good enough for a World Cup? Kye Rowles was thrown into the deep end and was probably our best player against Peru and he's only experience has been playing in the a-league. The biggest disadvantage for a-league players is they won't have enough matches to put them into contention when the a-league season starts in October, the stakeholders of concern should move the season sooner to August and increase the a-league players chances of making the plane to Qatar but we know not every decision with the a-league has been about what's best for the football so I have my doubts this will happen. I can see a few moves being made to Europe as that might make or break when trying to get into contention. McDonald wasn't effective because the responsibility he was given was not sustainable to bring it into international football, alot of the times the Socceroos play 4-2-3-1 where McDonald worked well in a 4-4-2 as a twin striker which they rarely used and struggled as the sole striker. My initial comment was about the statement that Tillio and D'agonstino were right to be the strikers that could take players on and score rather than us sticking to using finishers. I stand by my assertion that they have not proved that they are capable to do that at international level with the increased level of pressure applied by the defences because the quality of the players is much higher than anything they have had to cope with in the A-League. We have 2 friendlies only before the squad for the WC has to be announced so if Arnold wants to change his tactics as has been suggested then the likes of Tillio, D'agostino etc need to start and/or get good time on the pitch against NZ. Similarly if he wants that type of player to come off the bench to make an impact in the WC then he needs to play them in that role against NZ. As I said previously we haven't had the opportunity to develop these players like we would have in friendlies pre Ange but if we want to use them then we need to give them a chance. Playing mind games and throwing people in at the deep end is not a strategy to use very often.
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The NZ friendlies may play in favour of the A league players. All will travel but Ryan, Hrustic or Souttar may be told to stay in Europe. The team does need to play together yet the core seems set and the system won't have too much change.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've just recorded goals scored from Australia's forwards, wingers and attacking mids since 2005. Duke has the third highest strike rate per game of all players, behind Kennedy and Cahill. We are excluding Oceanian games. Mitch scores goals at a rate of 4.1 goals for every 10 games played. Or 0.41 goals per game. Maclaren is about 3.2 goals every 10 games played - or 0.32 goals per game. Both are better than John Aloisi, and way in front of our supposed superstars, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka. Leckie is 1.8 goals for every 10 games played, or 0.18 goals per game. This is pretty atrocious for a guy playing as a forward for 72 games! Food for thought for who makes the plane trip. Honestly think goals scored against minnows should only count as 0.5 goals! And goals scored in crucial WCQ’s and actual WCUP & Asian Cup should carry more weight. Arnold should think of Who can actually score against good opponents at a massive tournament?! Kewell scored crucial goals for Roos when needed, as did Aloisi and Cahill. Who in current squad can produce a goal under heavy pressure??! And not just from penalty spot…
Tilio, D"agostino and Taggert. Tilio and D'agostino having played in the A-League haven't experienced "heavy pressure" much if at all. Tilio hasn’t played in any heavy pressure matches? He played in the grand final with Atkinson which they won last year... The A-League is significantly below international football and light years different to a World Cup game as far as defensive pressure is concerned. The problem we have is that because of Covid we haven't been able to arrange enough international friendlies to blood and give the young up and coming attacking players the opportunity to test and prove themselves against better players so we don't know whether any of them will cope with the jump in standard. Most players don't make the grade, even players like Scott McDonald, a prolific scorer with a league career 196 goals, failed to get his name on the score sheet in 26 internationals for Australia. If it's good enough for Arnie to thrust into an high pressure like the UAE and Peru games then it's good enough for a World Cup? Kye Rowles was thrown into the deep end and was probably our best player against Peru and he's only experience has been playing in the a-league. The biggest disadvantage for a-league players is they won't have enough matches to put them into contention when the a-league season starts in October, the stakeholders of concern should move the season sooner to August and increase the a-league players chances of making the plane to Qatar but we know not every decision with the a-league has been about what's best for the football so I have my doubts this will happen. I can see a few moves being made to Europe as that might make or break when trying to get into contention. McDonald wasn't effective because the responsibility he was given was not sustainable to bring it into international football, alot of the times the Socceroos play 4-2-3-1 where McDonald worked well in a 4-4-2 as a twin striker which they rarely used and struggled as the sole striker. My initial comment was about the statement that Tillio and D'agonstino were right to be the strikers that could take players on and score rather than us sticking to using finishers. I stand by my assertion that they have not proved that they are capable to do that at international level with the increased level of pressure applied by the defences because the quality of the players is much higher than anything they have had to cope with in the A-League. We have 2 friendlies only before the squad for the WC has to be announced so if Arnold wants to change his tactics as has been suggested then the likes of Tillio, D'agostino etc need to start and/or get good time on the pitch against NZ. Similarly if he wants that type of player to come off the bench to make an impact in the WC then he needs to play them in that role against NZ. As I said previously we haven't had the opportunity to develop these players like we would have in friendlies pre Ange but if we want to use them then we need to give them a chance. Playing mind games and throwing people in at the deep end is not a strategy to use very often. Let's see if Arnie will organise some more friendly matches, time wise it's not ideal but the more the better if he wants to try out some new players. How many international windows are left outside of the NZ games?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've just recorded goals scored from Australia's forwards, wingers and attacking mids since 2005. Duke has the third highest strike rate per game of all players, behind Kennedy and Cahill. We are excluding Oceanian games. Mitch scores goals at a rate of 4.1 goals for every 10 games played. Or 0.41 goals per game. Maclaren is about 3.2 goals every 10 games played - or 0.32 goals per game. Both are better than John Aloisi, and way in front of our supposed superstars, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka. Leckie is 1.8 goals for every 10 games played, or 0.18 goals per game. This is pretty atrocious for a guy playing as a forward for 72 games! Food for thought for who makes the plane trip. Honestly think goals scored against minnows should only count as 0.5 goals! And goals scored in crucial WCQ’s and actual WCUP & Asian Cup should carry more weight. Arnold should think of Who can actually score against good opponents at a massive tournament?! Kewell scored crucial goals for Roos when needed, as did Aloisi and Cahill. Who in current squad can produce a goal under heavy pressure??! And not just from penalty spot…
Tilio, D"agostino and Taggert. Tilio and D'agostino having played in the A-League haven't experienced "heavy pressure" much if at all. Tilio hasn’t played in any heavy pressure matches? He played in the grand final with Atkinson which they won last year... The A-League is significantly below international football and light years different to a World Cup game as far as defensive pressure is concerned. The problem we have is that because of Covid we haven't been able to arrange enough international friendlies to blood and give the young up and coming attacking players the opportunity to test and prove themselves against better players so we don't know whether any of them will cope with the jump in standard. Most players don't make the grade, even players like Scott McDonald, a prolific scorer with a league career 196 goals, failed to get his name on the score sheet in 26 internationals for Australia. If it's good enough for Arnie to thrust into an high pressure like the UAE and Peru games then it's good enough for a World Cup? Kye Rowles was thrown into the deep end and was probably our best player against Peru and he's only experience has been playing in the a-league. The biggest disadvantage for a-league players is they won't have enough matches to put them into contention when the a-league season starts in October, the stakeholders of concern should move the season sooner to August and increase the a-league players chances of making the plane to Qatar but we know not every decision with the a-league has been about what's best for the football so I have my doubts this will happen. I can see a few moves being made to Europe as that might make or break when trying to get into contention. McDonald wasn't effective because the responsibility he was given was not sustainable to bring it into international football, alot of the times the Socceroos play 4-2-3-1 where McDonald worked well in a 4-4-2 as a twin striker which they rarely used and struggled as the sole striker. My initial comment was about the statement that Tillio and D'agonstino were right to be the strikers that could take players on and score rather than us sticking to using finishers. I stand by my assertion that they have not proved that they are capable to do that at international level with the increased level of pressure applied by the defences because the quality of the players is much higher than anything they have had to cope with in the A-League. We have 2 friendlies only before the squad for the WC has to be announced so if Arnold wants to change his tactics as has been suggested then the likes of Tillio, D'agostino etc need to start and/or get good time on the pitch against NZ. Similarly if he wants that type of player to come off the bench to make an impact in the WC then he needs to play them in that role against NZ. As I said previously we haven't had the opportunity to develop these players like we would have in friendlies pre Ange but if we want to use them then we need to give them a chance. Playing mind games and throwing people in at the deep end is not a strategy to use very often. Let's see if Arnie will organise some more friendly matches, time wise it's not ideal but the more the better if he wants to try out some new players. How many international windows are left outside of the NZ games? Zero. Leagues end 7 days before tournament starts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've just recorded goals scored from Australia's forwards, wingers and attacking mids since 2005. Duke has the third highest strike rate per game of all players, behind Kennedy and Cahill. We are excluding Oceanian games. Mitch scores goals at a rate of 4.1 goals for every 10 games played. Or 0.41 goals per game. Maclaren is about 3.2 goals every 10 games played - or 0.32 goals per game. Both are better than John Aloisi, and way in front of our supposed superstars, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka. Leckie is 1.8 goals for every 10 games played, or 0.18 goals per game. This is pretty atrocious for a guy playing as a forward for 72 games! Food for thought for who makes the plane trip. Honestly think goals scored against minnows should only count as 0.5 goals! And goals scored in crucial WCQ’s and actual WCUP & Asian Cup should carry more weight. Arnold should think of Who can actually score against good opponents at a massive tournament?! Kewell scored crucial goals for Roos when needed, as did Aloisi and Cahill. Who in current squad can produce a goal under heavy pressure??! And not just from penalty spot…
Tilio, D"agostino and Taggert. Tilio and D'agostino having played in the A-League haven't experienced "heavy pressure" much if at all. Tilio hasn’t played in any heavy pressure matches? He played in the grand final with Atkinson which they won last year... The A-League is significantly below international football and light years different to a World Cup game as far as defensive pressure is concerned. The problem we have is that because of Covid we haven't been able to arrange enough international friendlies to blood and give the young up and coming attacking players the opportunity to test and prove themselves against better players so we don't know whether any of them will cope with the jump in standard. Most players don't make the grade, even players like Scott McDonald, a prolific scorer with a league career 196 goals, failed to get his name on the score sheet in 26 internationals for Australia. If it's good enough for Arnie to thrust into an high pressure like the UAE and Peru games then it's good enough for a World Cup? Kye Rowles was thrown into the deep end and was probably our best player against Peru and he's only experience has been playing in the a-league. The biggest disadvantage for a-league players is they won't have enough matches to put them into contention when the a-league season starts in October, the stakeholders of concern should move the season sooner to August and increase the a-league players chances of making the plane to Qatar but we know not every decision with the a-league has been about what's best for the football so I have my doubts this will happen. I can see a few moves being made to Europe as that might make or break when trying to get into contention. McDonald wasn't effective because the responsibility he was given was not sustainable to bring it into international football, alot of the times the Socceroos play 4-2-3-1 where McDonald worked well in a 4-4-2 as a twin striker which they rarely used and struggled as the sole striker. My initial comment was about the statement that Tillio and D'agonstino were right to be the strikers that could take players on and score rather than us sticking to using finishers. I stand by my assertion that they have not proved that they are capable to do that at international level with the increased level of pressure applied by the defences because the quality of the players is much higher than anything they have had to cope with in the A-League. We have 2 friendlies only before the squad for the WC has to be announced so if Arnold wants to change his tactics as has been suggested then the likes of Tillio, D'agostino etc need to start and/or get good time on the pitch against NZ. Similarly if he wants that type of player to come off the bench to make an impact in the WC then he needs to play them in that role against NZ. As I said previously we haven't had the opportunity to develop these players like we would have in friendlies pre Ange but if we want to use them then we need to give them a chance. Playing mind games and throwing people in at the deep end is not a strategy to use very often. Let's see if Arnie will organise some more friendly matches, time wise it's not ideal but the more the better if he wants to try out some new players. How many international windows are left outside of the NZ games? Zero. Leagues end 7 days before tournament starts. That's not ideal.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've just recorded goals scored from Australia's forwards, wingers and attacking mids since 2005. Duke has the third highest strike rate per game of all players, behind Kennedy and Cahill. We are excluding Oceanian games. Mitch scores goals at a rate of 4.1 goals for every 10 games played. Or 0.41 goals per game. Maclaren is about 3.2 goals every 10 games played - or 0.32 goals per game. Both are better than John Aloisi, and way in front of our supposed superstars, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka. Leckie is 1.8 goals for every 10 games played, or 0.18 goals per game. This is pretty atrocious for a guy playing as a forward for 72 games! Food for thought for who makes the plane trip. Honestly think goals scored against minnows should only count as 0.5 goals! And goals scored in crucial WCQ’s and actual WCUP & Asian Cup should carry more weight. Arnold should think of Who can actually score against good opponents at a massive tournament?! Kewell scored crucial goals for Roos when needed, as did Aloisi and Cahill. Who in current squad can produce a goal under heavy pressure??! And not just from penalty spot…
Tilio, D"agostino and Taggert. Tilio and D'agostino having played in the A-League haven't experienced "heavy pressure" much if at all. Tilio hasn’t played in any heavy pressure matches? He played in the grand final with Atkinson which they won last year... The A-League is significantly below international football and light years different to a World Cup game as far as defensive pressure is concerned. The problem we have is that because of Covid we haven't been able to arrange enough international friendlies to blood and give the young up and coming attacking players the opportunity to test and prove themselves against better players so we don't know whether any of them will cope with the jump in standard. Most players don't make the grade, even players like Scott McDonald, a prolific scorer with a league career 196 goals, failed to get his name on the score sheet in 26 internationals for Australia. If it's good enough for Arnie to thrust into an high pressure like the UAE and Peru games then it's good enough for a World Cup? Kye Rowles was thrown into the deep end and was probably our best player against Peru and he's only experience has been playing in the a-league. The biggest disadvantage for a-league players is they won't have enough matches to put them into contention when the a-league season starts in October, the stakeholders of concern should move the season sooner to August and increase the a-league players chances of making the plane to Qatar but we know not every decision with the a-league has been about what's best for the football so I have my doubts this will happen. I can see a few moves being made to Europe as that might make or break when trying to get into contention. McDonald wasn't effective because the responsibility he was given was not sustainable to bring it into international football, alot of the times the Socceroos play 4-2-3-1 where McDonald worked well in a 4-4-2 as a twin striker which they rarely used and struggled as the sole striker. My initial comment was about the statement that Tillio and D'agonstino were right to be the strikers that could take players on and score rather than us sticking to using finishers. I stand by my assertion that they have not proved that they are capable to do that at international level with the increased level of pressure applied by the defences because the quality of the players is much higher than anything they have had to cope with in the A-League. We have 2 friendlies only before the squad for the WC has to be announced so if Arnold wants to change his tactics as has been suggested then the likes of Tillio, D'agostino etc need to start and/or get good time on the pitch against NZ. Similarly if he wants that type of player to come off the bench to make an impact in the WC then he needs to play them in that role against NZ. As I said previously we haven't had the opportunity to develop these players like we would have in friendlies pre Ange but if we want to use them then we need to give them a chance. Playing mind games and throwing people in at the deep end is not a strategy to use very often. Let's see if Arnie will organise some more friendly matches, time wise it's not ideal but the more the better if he wants to try out some new players. How many international windows are left outside of the NZ games? Zero. Leagues end 7 days before tournament starts. That’s super unhelpful. I’ve been thinking about our woeful showings earlier in the WCQs vs far improved, incrementally-better performances against the UAE and Peru. The more I think about it, the more plausible it appears to me that, as a team, our guys are horrendously rusty when they only have a few days to prepare but are “greater than the sum of their parts” when they have several weeks in camp with matches interspersed. I also think, unpopular opinion though it will probably be after the last week or so, that Graham Arnold ought to fly to Rome (possibly with Vince Grella) and have a sit-down with Cristian Volpato. He needs to say - we want to select you for the friendly against NZ with a view to playing in Qatar and with a long successful Socceroos career to follow. Yes, you were poorly-handled by the A-League clubs. But, from your viewpoint, it would be preferable to avoid making a mistake now which you’re likely to regret, at least to some extent. You’ve grown up entirely in Australia and, believe it or not, you probably still identify with the country to some extent. You have the potential to play a big part in Australia’s football history. He may have acted petulantly. Everybody makes mistakes as teenagers, early 20s. Lots of us (including me) have probably done worse than to slag off the football community that we come from. As one of the other blokes said. He might be an arsehole, but we want him to be “our arsehole”. And chances are, that attitude will go with greater maturity.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've just recorded goals scored from Australia's forwards, wingers and attacking mids since 2005. Duke has the third highest strike rate per game of all players, behind Kennedy and Cahill. We are excluding Oceanian games. Mitch scores goals at a rate of 4.1 goals for every 10 games played. Or 0.41 goals per game. Maclaren is about 3.2 goals every 10 games played - or 0.32 goals per game. Both are better than John Aloisi, and way in front of our supposed superstars, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka. Leckie is 1.8 goals for every 10 games played, or 0.18 goals per game. This is pretty atrocious for a guy playing as a forward for 72 games! Food for thought for who makes the plane trip. Honestly think goals scored against minnows should only count as 0.5 goals! And goals scored in crucial WCQ’s and actual WCUP & Asian Cup should carry more weight. Arnold should think of Who can actually score against good opponents at a massive tournament?! Kewell scored crucial goals for Roos when needed, as did Aloisi and Cahill. Who in current squad can produce a goal under heavy pressure??! And not just from penalty spot…
Tilio, D"agostino and Taggert. Tilio and D'agostino having played in the A-League haven't experienced "heavy pressure" much if at all. Tilio hasn’t played in any heavy pressure matches? He played in the grand final with Atkinson which they won last year... The A-League is significantly below international football and light years different to a World Cup game as far as defensive pressure is concerned. The problem we have is that because of Covid we haven't been able to arrange enough international friendlies to blood and give the young up and coming attacking players the opportunity to test and prove themselves against better players so we don't know whether any of them will cope with the jump in standard. Most players don't make the grade, even players like Scott McDonald, a prolific scorer with a league career 196 goals, failed to get his name on the score sheet in 26 internationals for Australia. If it's good enough for Arnie to thrust into an high pressure like the UAE and Peru games then it's good enough for a World Cup? Kye Rowles was thrown into the deep end and was probably our best player against Peru and he's only experience has been playing in the a-league. The biggest disadvantage for a-league players is they won't have enough matches to put them into contention when the a-league season starts in October, the stakeholders of concern should move the season sooner to August and increase the a-league players chances of making the plane to Qatar but we know not every decision with the a-league has been about what's best for the football so I have my doubts this will happen. I can see a few moves being made to Europe as that might make or break when trying to get into contention. McDonald wasn't effective because the responsibility he was given was not sustainable to bring it into international football, alot of the times the Socceroos play 4-2-3-1 where McDonald worked well in a 4-4-2 as a twin striker which they rarely used and struggled as the sole striker. My initial comment was about the statement that Tillio and D'agonstino were right to be the strikers that could take players on and score rather than us sticking to using finishers. I stand by my assertion that they have not proved that they are capable to do that at international level with the increased level of pressure applied by the defences because the quality of the players is much higher than anything they have had to cope with in the A-League. We have 2 friendlies only before the squad for the WC has to be announced so if Arnold wants to change his tactics as has been suggested then the likes of Tillio, D'agostino etc need to start and/or get good time on the pitch against NZ. Similarly if he wants that type of player to come off the bench to make an impact in the WC then he needs to play them in that role against NZ. As I said previously we haven't had the opportunity to develop these players like we would have in friendlies pre Ange but if we want to use them then we need to give them a chance. Playing mind games and throwing people in at the deep end is not a strategy to use very often. Let's see if Arnie will organise some more friendly matches, time wise it's not ideal but the more the better if he wants to try out some new players. How many international windows are left outside of the NZ games? None. The pandemic has thrown a spanner in the works for developing players in an ordered way.
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johnszasz
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This was my team right after we qualified with consideration to the France game. Atkinson is slipping away. Karacic is getting a stronger claim. I don't know if power rankings are worth it. Hrustic will be there but his situation is getting annoying. Elder has started to kick on again while mainstay Behich will get his fitness up. I'm glad I can write this and not be too concerned with Rogic's omission.
Ryan
Sainsbury Souttar Rowles
Atkinson Mooy Elder
Hrustic Irvine
Boyle Taggart
This is my rejuvenated team that must be expedited. Of course some variation and Mabil certainly is there. Take out Genreau and have Mabil as LW. I think McGree is best suited as a player who can either go wide or central. Thankfully Deng should be able to slot in if Souttar doesn't make it.
Ryan
Souttar Sainsbury Rowles
Atkinson Devlin Elder
Genreau
McGree Hrustic
Boyle
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I’m down to 35 Ryan-Vukovic-Gauci-Birighitti Sainsbury-Deng Souttar-Rowles Atkinson-Miller-Strain-Karacic Behich-Elder-King-Davidson Luongo-Baccus-Devlin Irvine-Mooy-Genreau Hrustic-Rogic-Mcgree Boyle-Mabil-Tilio Leckie-Goodwin-GKuol Taggart-Duke-Maclaren-AKuol
Got to cut 9 more minimimum.
Subject to change - by me…
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my starting 11 for france game... assuming harry can get fit.
-------------------------RYAN-------------------------
KARACIC---SOUTTAR--ROWLES---BEHICH
---------------------MOOY--DEVLIN---------------
HRUSTIC----------MCGREE------------MABIL
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Bouzanis keeps going the way he is it is hard to see how he doesn't jump to at least second string keeper
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+xmy starting 11 for france game... assuming harry can get fit. -------------------------RYAN------------------------- KARACIC---SOUTTAR--ROWLES---BEHICH ---------------------MOOY--DEVLIN--------------- HRUSTIC----------MCGREE------------MABIL ----------------------BOYLE---------------------- Love that line-up - with the possible exception of Behich that looks like our strongest XI
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Callum Elder has started the last 4 games, while Gersbach has played every minute in the league this season. Surely they both have to be above a which, who can’t get a game for the worst SPL club?
Picking Behich will be the worst demonstration of Arnie’s favouritism, but we all know it’s going to happen.
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The more that transpires the more I think some kind of power ranking is worth considering. The issue is that Arnold has his set players as well e.g. Behich, Leckie and I think that bears weight in the consideration. Why di I have the suspicion that Tom Glover will play the NZ away game? If Grant gets in before Strain I'll be livid. My power rankings based on minutes and form. It bugs me that someone like Genreau gets picked and gets all the press but barely plays a minute. We won't know if we can be better with these players unless they get on the field an extended period together. We've still not seen Hrustic and McGree link up to know whether it's viable or not.
RB: Karacic, Strain, Atkinson, Miller
CB: Rowles, Sainsbury, Souttar( special provision), Deng, Wright/Degenek, McGowan, Iredale, Burgess
LB: Elder, Gersbach, Behich, Davidson, King
CDM: Devlin, Dougall, Baccus, Jeggo, Luongo (Reading pending)
CM: Mooy/Irvine/Hrustic (lock), Genreau, Metcalfe
ATT: Boyle, Mabil, Taggart, Ruka, Duke, Iredale
Injured/MIA: Smith, Stensness, Rogic.
Then there's the A League which we don't have too much insight as yet. Albeit exhibitions, they do it in the league too, I can't help but think how much better it'd be to have Ikon, Folami and Piscopo for some flair instead of, say, Duke who is nearly a lock in Arnie's eyes.
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+xI understand that first we have to name a 35 man squad that is then cut down to 23 So 35 players Ryan Redmayne Vukovic Birighitti Karacic Atkinson Stensness Sainsbury Souttar Rowles Wright Deng Degenek King Behich Elder Mooy Hrustic Rogic Genreau McGree Irvine Luongo Dougall Leckie Boyle Mabil Goodwin Tilio Garang Kuol Taggart Duke Maclaren D'Agostino Tete Yengi It’s 55 man provisional squad then cut down to 26 by 16 October. So they’ll have to name the provisional squad sometime in sept. Wonder if it will be before NZ games.
not much time after A League starts.
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https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/09/06/graham-arnold-cant-possibly-pick-a-league-players-for-the-world-cup/
Article to be taken with 1 grain of salt - but says Arnold may not select AL based players for WCUP due to not playing enough before tournament.
Can’t imagine likes of Redmayne, Leckie, JMac etc not being in Qatar though
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Versatility is probably going to get you there. It's annoying including players I know Arnold will include.
Ryan Langerak Redmayne
Strain, Atkinson, Souttar, Sainsbury, Rowles, Deng, Degenek, Behich, Elder
Mooy, McGree, Irvine, Rogic, Devlin, Metcalfe, Genreau
Mabil, Boyle, G Kuol, Taggart, Cummings, Maclaren, Leckie
Players like Brimmer, Piscopo, Folami and Ikon can all beat the man and should really be getting in. I can't wait for the rigid old guard to be gone.
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+xVersatility is probably going to get you there. It's annoying including players I know Arnold will include. Ryan Langerak Redmayne Strain, Atkinson, Souttar, Sainsbury, Rowles, Deng, Degenek, Behich, Elder Mooy, McGree, Irvine, Rogic, Devlin, Metcalfe, Genreau Mabil, Boyle, G Kuol, Taggart, Cummings, Maclaren, Leckie Players like Brimmer, Piscopo, Folami and Ikon can all beat the man and should really be getting in. I can't wait for the rigid old guard to be gone. I’d be Fitting Brimmer and , Piscopo in somehow.
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+x+xVersatility is probably going to get you there. It's annoying including players I know Arnold will include. Ryan Langerak Redmayne Strain, Atkinson, Souttar, Sainsbury, Rowles, Deng, Degenek, Behich, Elder Mooy, McGree, Irvine, Rogic, Devlin, Metcalfe, Genreau Mabil, Boyle, G Kuol, Taggart, Cummings, Maclaren, Leckie Players like Brimmer, Piscopo, Folami and Ikon can all beat the man and should really be getting in. I can't wait for the rigid old guard to be gone. I’d be Fitting Brimmer and , Piscopo in somehow. I wouldn't, it's our most competitive position, they won't start playing for another 2 weeks, in the A-league they chose to ignore the opportunity to go OS like Baccus, devlin, and metcalfe.
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Squad will be announced around 14 November.
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