Asia's best ever World Cup signals a possible power shift [Comments]


Asia's best ever World Cup signals a possible power shift [Comments]

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roosty - 7 Dec 2022 12:43 PM
robbos - 6 Dec 2022 4:04 PM

True

But Japan lost to Costa Rica
Saudi and Iran didn't make it out of the group
Korea got belted 4-1 by Brazil
Aussies got belted 4-1 by France
Iran conceded 6 goals against England
Qatar lost every game
Morocco are the only non European and South American team to make the QF

None of the above proves anything, except that world cups like any football competition can yield unexpected results. Both Japan and Korea made the knock out stages in 2010, so with the addition of Australia the performance is only slightly better than compared to 2010.

For us to definitively say that there is a power shift towards Asia and away from Europe and other confederations then we (AFC) would need to repeat this performance at least two more times and have some representation in the QFs.

What's apparent however is that the top Asian teams are competitive with every team outside of the top 6 of Europe and top 2 of South America. I would include Croatia , Denmark, Uruguay , possibly Portugal among that cohort.  But is this a new development? In 2018 Iran drew with Portugal and beat Mexico. Japan beat Colombia. South Korea beat Germany.

There doesn't appear to be any significant shift towards Asia. Our regions best sides are still very competitive (as they have been for 20+ years) but still a run or two below the worlds best sides. Additionally there's still a massive gulf between Europe's mid tier sides and Asia's, for example the UAE who finished sixth in qualifying would struggle to beat bar a few teams in Europe. 


For anyone to say the power has shifted 'away' from Europe you would need 4 world cups in a row where a European team did not win the world cup 

I would of said the power has shifted from Africa to Asia but Morocco have shown that clearly is not true - Africa for the 4th time in the confederations history has a team in the QF 

Bar South Korea (when they were hosting the world cup - which probably doesn't count for as much) an Asian side has never made it past the rd of 16..... i kind of stand by we 'under-performed' this world cup esp West Asia which considering it was in their backyard they didnt have a single nation make it out is a disgrace. 

It was 'unlucky' Japan had 'such a hard' run essentially played 3 top teams beat 2 with drew (lost on Pens) however with the lost  to Costa Rice kind of shows they dont have much upfront when they are expected to go out and win a game - but they are the 'best' national side in Asia has and i reckon if they had Qatars Group they would of topped it - beat USA in the next round - it was such a 'waste' having Qatar host the world cup in a sense they we such a disappointment and embarrassment we couldnt 'really' build any credibility from this world cup without at least 1 side going deep in to the competition. 

Im proud of how Australia did, but the AFC as a whole did pretty poorly looking at it with a bit of hindsight and i think it has put to bed this argument we are 'under-rated' or disrespected by other confederations in general 

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Davstar - 7 Dec 2022 12:57 PM
roosty - 7 Dec 2022 12:43 PM

For anyone to say the power has shifted 'away' from Europe you would need 4 world cups in a row where a European team did not win the world cup 

I would of said the power has shifted from Africa to Asia but Morocco have shown that clearly is not true - Africa for the 4th time in the confederations history has a team in the QF 

Bar South Korea (when they were hosting the world cup - which probably doesn't count for as much) an Asian side has never made it past the rd of 16..... i kind of stand by we 'under-performed' this world cup esp West Asia which considering it was in their backyard they didnt have a single nation make it out is a disgrace. 

It was 'unlucky' Japan had 'such a hard' run essentially played 3 top teams beat 2 with drew (lost on Pens) however with the lost  to Costa Rice kind of shows they dont have much upfront when they are expected to go out and win a game - but they are the 'best' national side in Asia has and i reckon if they had Qatars Group they would of topped it - beat USA in the next round - it was such a 'waste' having Qatar host the world cup in a sense they we such a disappointment and embarrassment we couldnt 'really' build any credibility from this world cup without at least 1 side going deep in to the competition. 

Im proud of how Australia did, but the AFC as a whole did pretty poorly looking at it with a bit of hindsight and i think it has put to bed this argument we are 'under-rated' or disrespected by other confederations in general 

List of AFC scalps this world cup.. 

Argentina 
Germany 
Spain 
Portugal 
Wales 
Denmark 
Tunisia 

That's 5 teams in the top 10 beaten by Asian sides just this world cup alone! That's impressive! 

Furthermore Japan drew at the end of extra time against the last runner up. 3 of our 5 qualified teams made 2nd Rd. This is all above expectations. The only thing disappointing that no team made a qtrs but overall was still a great world cup for Asia. Previously at least 1 Asian side was the whipping boy of the world cup but simply wasn't the case this time all 5 qualified teams won a match. 
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Davstar - 7 Dec 2022 12:57 PM
roosty - 7 Dec 2022 12:43 PM

For anyone to say the power has shifted 'away' from Europe you would need 4 world cups in a row where a European team did not win the world cup 

I would of said the power has shifted from Africa to Asia but Morocco have shown that clearly is not true - Africa for the 4th time in the confederations history has a team in the QF 

Bar South Korea (when they were hosting the world cup - which probably doesn't count for as much) an Asian side has never made it past the rd of 16..... i kind of stand by we 'under-performed' this world cup esp West Asia which considering it was in their backyard they didnt have a single nation make it out is a disgrace. 

It was 'unlucky' Japan had 'such a hard' run essentially played 3 top teams beat 2 with drew (lost on Pens) however with the lost  to Costa Rice kind of shows they dont have much upfront when they are expected to go out and win a game - but they are the 'best' national side in Asia has and i reckon if they had Qatars Group they would of topped it - beat USA in the next round - it was such a 'waste' having Qatar host the world cup in a sense they we such a disappointment and embarrassment we couldnt 'really' build any credibility from this world cup without at least 1 side going deep in to the competition. 

Im proud of how Australia did, but the AFC as a whole did pretty poorly looking at it with a bit of hindsight and i think it has put to bed this argument we are 'under-rated' or disrespected by other confederations in general 

Nope.  Their coach rested half the Japanese starting eleven.  He did that on the assumption that his second string could get a draw- at least- against Costa Rica, keep the first string fresh for the final game which he reasoned could be the decider.  In the end he miscalculated for the Costa Rica game.

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Bunch of Hacks - 7 Dec 2022 7:18 PM
Davstar - 7 Dec 2022 12:57 PM

List of AFC scalps this world cup.. 

Argentina 
Germany 
Spain 
Portugal 
Wales 
Denmark 
Tunisia 

That's 5 teams in the top 10 beaten by Asian sides just this world cup alone! That's impressive! 

Furthermore Japan drew at the end of extra time against the last runner up. 3 of our 5 qualified teams made 2nd Rd. This is all above expectations. The only thing disappointing that no team made a qtrs but overall was still a great world cup for Asia. Previously at least 1 Asian side was the whipping boy of the world cup but simply wasn't the case this time all 5 qualified teams won a match. 

The WC being in the AFC, the refs didn't shaft us as they would normally if it was in EUFA. 

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