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Thanks John.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/562687-twitter-flags-anti-vaccine-guidance-from-joseph-ladapo-as-misinformation/

The move comes as medical experts and scientists criticize the Florida Department of Health recommendations for being based on weak data that never saw peer review.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/10/09/florida-surgeon-general-warns-against-young-men-getting-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-whats-his-justification/?sh=5e54dcd94105

First of all, it’s important to note that this “analysis” has not been published in a reputable scientific journal. This is a key distinction because anyone can post something on a web site and call it an “analysis” just like anyone can upload a video of themselves interviewing their cats on to YouTube and call themselves a talk show host. There’s no indication that this “analysis” has undergone a full and proper review by experts in the field to determine whether it was done properly and whether the conclusions actually match the results.



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https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/covid-poll-a-pulse-check-of-australia-as-we-exit-the-pandemic/news-story/cb910eb5525d0dd24ca38ff5a6240822

Poll at news.com.au

"More than half of respondents either said they regret getting vaccinated, or were unvaccinated and happy with their decision."

"Only 35 per cent out of more than 45,000 people said they were vaccinated and would make the same decision again."


That means, from this Australian poll, more than 50% feel negatively about the vaccines. Either they got vaxed and now regret it. Or they had foresight to resist the totalitarian pressure to take an experimental vaccine.

Given that greater than 50% feel negatively about the vax -- with the wisdom that comes from hindsight, it seems to indicate that many of the fine folk on this football website (you know who you are) are fine specimens of the "slow in the uptake". 


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johnsmith - 25 Oct 2022 6:37 PM
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/covid-poll-a-pulse-check-of-australia-as-we-exit-the-pandemic/news-story/cb910eb5525d0dd24ca38ff5a6240822

Poll at news.com.au

"More than half of respondents either said they regret getting vaccinated, or were unvaccinated and happy with their decision."

"Only 35 per cent out of more than 45,000 people said they were vaccinated and would make the same decision again."


That means, from this Australian poll, more than 50% feel negatively about the vaccines. Either they got vaxed and now regret it. Or they had foresight to resist the totalitarian pressure to take an experimental vaccine.

Given that greater than 50% feel negatively about the vax -- with the wisdom that comes from hindsight, it seems to indicate that many of the fine folk on this football website (you know who you are) are fine specimens of the "slow in the uptake". 


Well there you have it: An online poll on a newscorp website. Irrefutable data on how Australians feel, with no chance whatsoever the international anti-vax crowd (that spend 99% of their time spamming comment sections and online polls) spammed it and inflated the numbers in their favour. 

Who needs peer reviewed research and scientists when you have John smith, pioneer and thruthseeker? 



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Did you even read your article John? 

"One fifth of respondents said they had received two doses of a vaccine, 26 per cent had three and 16 per cent had four shots, while 37 per cent said they had not taken any vaccine.

But, hang on, wait a minute:

"According to Health Department data, more than 20 million Australians have received at least one dose of a Covid vaccine, or more than 95 per cent of the over-16 population."

lololololololol welcome back John. Good to see you back you loveable moron. Nothings changed I see. Still posting stuff before you read it. 




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Dr Kerryn Phelps was the first woman to be elected president of the Australian Medical Association (AMA).

She only speaks up when she herself has been injured by the vaccine.

Now she acknowledges that doctors are being censored. I myself have heard a few reports of friends being told by their doctors that they are being censored.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11556473/Kerryn-Phelps-Jackie-Strickie-Phelps-Doctor-reveals-wife-suffered-Pfizer-vaccine-injuries.html

Before that, like a lot of you lot on the forum, Kerryn Phelps was against "anti-vaxers" calling them conspiracy theories.

https://www.facebook.com/DrKerrynPhelpsAM/videos/medical-misinformation-the-vaccine/187113632751172/



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why do I associate KPhelps with stupid tv shows she could play in like ER/House and the likes, oh maybe her sibling lol.....
As if you'd believe much she says ffs.
Your as deluded as the Chosen One.


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LFC. - 21 Dec 2022 4:04 PM
why do I associate KPhelps with stupid tv shows she could play in like ER/House and the likes, oh maybe her sibling lol.....
As if you'd believe much she says ffs.
Your as deluded as the Chosen One.

It is a lazy way of responding to evidence - by attacking the person, rather than evaluating the data they give to you. It is what is know as an "ad hominem" attack. It's very common in response on this football forum.

It's like when you yourself are arguing with an illogical emotionally-trapped person .... you bring a valid argument to them, but instead of them replying to your factual argument, instead they attack you. When that happens to you, you know the person replying to you has low-calibre ability to argue logically. So why do you do the same to other people?

This is a matter of life and death. If the vaccines are dangerous, there are steps you can take to resolve the damage to your body, but if you continue to hide your head in the sand, you remain popular with the herd, but you're ignoring the growing amount of data and evidence.

Look at the data KPhelps is giving.
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It is a lazy way of responding to evidence - by attacking the person, rather than evaluating the data they give to you. It is what is know as an "ad hominem" attack. It's very common in response on this football forum.


When do the 5G chips get turned on?


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johnsmith - 21 Dec 2022 8:43 PM
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It is a lazy way of responding to evidence - by attacking the person, rather than evaluating the data they give to you. 

What "data" has Keryn Phelps provided? 

personal experiences are not data. 

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sydneyfc1987 - 23 Dec 2022 3:32 PM
johnsmith - 21 Dec 2022 8:43 PM

What "data" has Keryn Phelps provided? 

personal experiences are not data. 

The data that Dr Kerryn Phelps provides is that doctors are being censored, and fear to report vaccine injury in their patients for fear of losing their licences to practice medicine.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/ask-ahpra-dr-kerryn-phelps-doesnt-know-why-regulator-silenced-doctors-on-vaccine-injuries/news-story/a731a655120649f913c8170bfbf1bb96

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf

Following Dr Phelps' testimony of vaccine damage, ABC journalist Eleni Roussos came out to share of her vaccine damage.

https://twitter.com/eleni_roussos/status/1605066852031672320?

https://newspunch.com/abc-news-journalist-speaks-out-describes-her-covid-jab-injury-as-a-living-hell/

In my own circle of friends, virtually all of the ones who suffered vaccine damage have not come out to share widely about their experiences. All of them have kept it private, and you only hear about it through trusted friends sharing the details.

I myself have heard of 5 doctors in my circle who will not officially report cases of vaccine injury. In one of those, the doctor actually said he won't do it for fear of losing his licence.

I recall, when I wrote on this forum - about doctors being censored or fearing to report vaccine injuries - the response from this forum was mockery, throwing rotten tomatoes.

Consider that if all the doctors in Australia were to freely report their cases of vaccine injury, the consequence would be the entire nation would go into mass hysteria, given the 95% vax rate. People have allowed their precious loved ones, children, family, to be injected with this thing.

The data of vaccine LONG-TERM danger is mounting. Not just SHORT-term. So when you hear people expressing relief they did not get any side effects, those people are operating on deluded false logic that just because they did not get short term side effects, they assume they won't get long term side effects. A lot of the data is showing the danger of long term side effects.

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My brother got mycardis and sister palpitations after jab due to having elite heart rate 45 beats ppm at rest.
No more jabs for them and I gave up after 3

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dirkvanadidas - 26 Dec 2022 6:02 AM
My brother got mycardis and sister palpitations after jab due to having elite heart rate 45 beats ppm at rest.
No more jabs for them and I gave up after 3

Last year in 2021, it was understandable that people's instant knee-jerk response would be "it's a coincidence". But with the mounting data available in 2022, people who instantly response "coincidence" are the slow in the uptake.

Last year, when discussing the dangers of the Covid vaccines, a Pharma-trained friend of mine shut me down, virtually shouting at me, drowning me out. Now, one and a half years later speaking on Christmas Day, she agreed there's a myocarditis risk.

I've had a friend and another relative, both died within 2 days of the vax. Back then, most people said it was a "coincidence".

Even our good mate on this forum (won't mention his name), he shared that his wife got heart problems after the vax, and his response was "coincidence".

My friend developed heart problems after the vax, and her cardiologists told her he has seen a lot of such cases after the vax. The cardio says it's from the vax, but he won't report those cases for fear of losing his licence. That cardio now tells all his patients not to take the Covid vaxes.

In the coming year of 2023, if the trend keeps going, it will be increasingly difficult for people to keep saying "coincidence" - although it is found that 50% of society are regarded as "late majority" and "laggards" in terms of being slow to catch on.

We human beings loathe to admit we're wrong. You think people are going to easily admit they made a mistake, allowing their families and kids to be vaccinated by a substance that was not fully tested as thoroughly as past vaccines, now showing danger signs? The data and evidence was put to them last year in 2021, but they refused to heed it. Now, you think they're going to admit they made a mistake with their own precious children? For some people, they can never bring themselves to even look at the data, because, to do so, would force them to see what they've done to their children. Hence, for them, it is far easier to keep mocking and insulting.
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Wow - all this evidence and problems - and literally sports people dropping like flies. Unable to take the field because they've all had heart attacks and died. Not long until we cannot make up any teams anymore. Every AFL player had the jab. How many dead now? 80%? someone have the data? Must be horrific.

And the worst case scenarios - a guy who has a sister reckons she had heart palpitations. Does not bare thinking about.



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tsf - 29 Dec 2022 3:40 PM
Wow - all this evidence and problems - and literally sports people dropping like flies. Unable to take the field because they've all had heart attacks and died. Not long until we cannot make up any teams anymore. Every AFL player had the jab. How many dead now? 80%? someone have the data? Must be horrific.

And the worst case scenarios - a guy who has a sister reckons she had heart palpitations. Does not bare thinking about.



For details of evidence, see my posted dated 27 December 2022 on the Coronavirus Megathread.
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tsf - 29 Dec 2022 3:40 PM
Wow - all this evidence and problems - and literally sports people dropping like flies. Unable to take the field because they've all had heart attacks and died. Not long until we cannot make up any teams anymore. Every AFL player had the jab. How many dead now? 80%? someone have the data? Must be horrific.

And the worst case scenarios - a guy who has a sister reckons she had heart palpitations. Does not bare thinking about.



TSF,

I address your attitude.

Globally, there is a serious debate among cardiologists on both sides. There is scientific basis for both sides to debate.

This is not a football game where you "oi, oi, oi" for your favourite team.

In this life-and-death issue of whether the vaccines are causing accelerated diseases, it is sobering to realise that the bulk of the population contains laughable people -- when you stop to think about it, alone -- who jeer and hoot against evidence that ought to be read, considered and adjudicated.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2464274/expert-warns-of-mrna-jab-link-to-acute-heart-issues
dated 20 December 2022

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/26/as-an-oncologist-i-am-seeing-people-with-stable-cancer-rapidly-progress-after-being-forced-to-have-a-booster/
dated 26 November 2022

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/people-dying-in-their-sleep-linked-to-vaccines-explains-dr-peter-mccullough-cardiologist_4806813.html
dated 20 October 2022

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X
dated June 2022





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Im on your side. As much as I trust epoch times and Bangkok post for my facts I have seen enough with my eyes. A game last night in the championship was abandoned after ten players dropped like flies. Another five in Scotland the other day. 



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tsf - 30 Dec 2022 2:41 PM
Im on your side. As much as I trust epoch times and Bangkok post for my facts I have seen enough with my eyes. A game last night in the championship was abandoned after ten players dropped like flies. Another five in Scotland the other day. 



Yes, of course I believe you. There is no such thing as Aussie sarcasm. I totally trust your word.

Let's pick up this conversation in 12 months time.

There's a difference between trusting a "reporter" versus trusting a "primary source".

For instance, if some dude on an Aussie football forum referred me to a primary source, it's typical football field-rushing mentality to rubbish the "reporter" in order to feel no need to examine the primary source.

Here, the Epoch Times is citing Dr. Peter McCullough as the primary source. And the Bangkok Post is citing a credential Thai doctor -- who was citing a research paper by German doctors as the primary source.

But you feel smug in rubbishing those primary sources -- because you attack the reporter.


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Video title: "Before the MRNA vaccine, 29 cardiac arrests per year in [European professional ]sports, after the vax 1,500 in one year"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aVBDMxMSwpOr/



Before you guys continue saying it's a coincidence, Australian news is reporting that (quote) "Australia’s vaccine advisory body is unlikely to approve a second Covid vaccine booster for under-30s due to the increased risk of myocarditis and diminishing benefit of successive doses." (15 November 2022)

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/fourth-vaccine-dose-unlikely-to-be-approved-for-under30s-due-to-myocarditis-risk/news-story/a2da9fe71fa873f4e5aae0390625691d

And if ordinary Aussie folk on a football website are ignorant of the myocarditis risk from Covid vaccines, that's not surprising because (quote) "ATAGI didn’t know about heightened risk of myocarditis in young men until five months after Pfizer, Moderna approval" (26 October 2022)

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/atagi-didnt-know-about-heightened-risk-of-myocarditis-in-young-men-until-five-months-after-pfizer-moderna-approval/news-story/8d9874d0acca0edbb49e626663625e39

In other words, it was the blind leading the blinded masses.

But you cannot say you weren't told - just look at all the information that has been presented to you on these Extra Time forums.

ADDENDUM: I know you guys. Some person will rubbish this information by slandering Fox News, Tucker Carlson and Dr Peter McCullough. That is called an ad hominem attack. Attacking the person, rather than assessing the information. It is how people justify hiding their head in the sand.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/critics-claim-covid-jabs-causing-heart-problems-do-have-proof/

Critics claim Covid jabs are causing heart problems – do they have any proof?

While there have always been anti-vaxxers, this new concern is drawing in people from outside usual conspiracy theory

On Monday evening, the American football player Damar Hamlin collapsed on the field after colliding with an opponent. He suffered a cardiac arrest and needed to be twice resuscitated. Within hours, social media was rife with speculation that the 24-year-old Buffalo Bills star was the victim of a Covid jab, his heart – it was speculated – having been dangerously weakened by the vaccination.The British cardiologist Aseem Malhotra tweeted about the incident. “One obvious question many are asking is whether he had the mRNA jab,” he wrote, going on to point out that myocarditis (heart inflammation) – a side-effect linked to the vaccine – increases “sudden cardiac death risk in contact sports”, where “blunt impact to the chest” is common.Fortunately Hamlin’s condition is improving. At the time of writing, although the player was still in intensive care, doctors report he was awake and talking to his family and medical team at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center.Even before the Hamlin incident, the link between vaccines and heart problems is a theory that has gained momentum in recent months, with the Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen calling for a halt to the roll-out of mRNA vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna.“The mRNA vaccines are not safe, not effective and not necessary,” he told Parliament last month. “The Government's current policy on the mRNA vaccines is on the wrong side of medical ethics, is on the wrong side of scientific data, and ultimately it will be on the wrong side of history.”So what is driving this renewed wave of vaccine scepticism? Does the vaccine actually affect the heart? And even if it does, do the benefits still outweigh the risks?

A renewed fear 

While there have always been anti-vaxxers, this new concern is drawing in people from outside usual conspiracy theory circles. In a recent article published in the Journal of Insulin Resistance, Dr Malhotra praised vaccines as “one of medicine’s greatest achievements”. He was one of the first doctors to receive two doses of Pfizer to protect his patients. He even appeared on TV’s Good Morning Britain encouraging vaccine uptake.

“Traditional vaccines are one of the safest medicines we’ve got,” he told The Telegraph. “They are the Holy Grail of medicine, and it was not even a possibility for me that they could do any harm.”

But the death of his father changed his mind. Dr Kailash Chand, former deputy chair of the British Medical Association (BMA), was a seemingly fit 73-year-old, when he suffered a fatal cardiac arrest last July.

A post-mortem revealed severe blockages in two of three major arteries. Even though Dr Chand had his booster vaccine six months earlier, his son believes it was a factor. 

 “I  knew my dad’s medical history inside out,” said Dr Malhotra. “He was one of the fittest guys I knew, who kept up his 10,000 steps a day even in lockdown. Just a few weeks before we were walking up mountains together.

“We did some heart scans a few years earlier and all was clear, so when the post-mortem showed severe blockages I couldn’t understand it, even though it was my [area of] expertise.

“At the time people were trolling me, saying it was the vaccine, and I got really angry and blocked them, because that was not my mindset. But then I started to notice increased incidences in cardiac deaths and I started to wonder.”

A worrying increase in heart deaths

Dr Malhotra is right to say that heart deaths have increased alarmingly in the last few years. According to the British Heart Foundation there have been around 30,000 more deaths than expected involving heart disease since the pandemic began – more than 230 additional deaths over expected rates each week. In some weeks last year, there were more than 1,000 excess deaths with cardiovascular disease mentioned on the death certificate. But if we are looking for a reason for the rise, there are plenty to choose from without needing to point a finger at Covid vaccines.A Covid infection itself is known to raise the risk of a stroke and heart attack, so the virus was likely to be a significant factor in the increase, at least in the first year of the pandemic. Turmoil within the health service is also taking its toll. There has been widespread disruption to heart care services since ‘Protect the NHS’ mandates were enacted by the Government, meaning patients often did not get critical treatment in time. While suspected heart attack patients should be picked up by ambulance within 18 minutes, that figure has risen to 48 minutes, and there are 350,000 heart patients currently waiting for time-sensitive treatment – an increase of 50 per cent since the pandemic began. These systemic problems have been exacerbated by lockdowns and work from home edicts, which contributed to more sedentary lifestyles and a rise in alcohol intake at a time when Britain was already facing historic levels of obesity and heart disease. While Dr Malhotra acknowledges that other causes are a factor, he remains convinced that vaccines are also playing a role. He cites Pfizer’s own trial data, which showed there were four cardiac arrests in those who took the vaccine compared with just one in the placebo group. And he points to a controversial study published in the journal Circulation by the US cardiologist Dr Stephen Gundry, who claimed that inflammatory markers in his patients soared after they received vaccines – taking their five-year heart attack risk from 11 per cent to 25 percent. “That is a massive jump,” he said. “If I decided to smoke 40 cigarettes a day, ate junk food, drank and didn’t exercise I couldn’t get anywhere near that.”The Gundry study was heavily criticised, and has been significantly amended to make clear the biomarker increases were observational, there was no control group, no unvaccinated patients were included, and no statistical comparison was conducted. 

A link to vaccines and heart problems

It is certainly true that some people have experienced heart problems following the Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines.The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) asks doctors to report side-effects via its ‘Yellow Card’ scheme, and since the roll-out there has been a steady trickle of heart complaints suspected to be linked to the jabs.  Figures up to November 23 2022 show the MHRA has received 851 reports of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – linked to the Pfizer vaccination. There have also been a further 579 reports of pericarditis – inflammation of the lining outside the heart – linked to the jab.Most cases were mild, with individuals recovering in a short time, although there have been seven deaths. By comparison, there were 241 reports of myocarditis and 226 reports of pericarditis linked to Oxford’s AstraZeneca jab, and six deaths. For Moderna there were 251 reports of myocarditis and 149 of pericarditis, and two deaths. The problems are only now coming to light because Phase 3 clinical trials have too few people enrolled to pick up rare events, particularly if the heightened risk occurs in a small subgroup – such as young men.But although these figures may seem high, they must be set against the sheer volume of vaccinations that have been carried out since 2020. By last autumn, 53 million first doses had been administered in Britain, and more than 90 million boosters. Of these, Pfizer makes up 57 per cent of all jabs, AstraZeneca 29 per cent and Moderna 14 per cent. So although the risk is there, it is very small. Overall, the myocarditis reporting rate for Moderna is around 14 complaints for every million doses, for Pfizer it is 10 in a million and for AstraZeneca, five in a million. For pericarditis, the reporting rate is eight in a million doses for Moderna, six in a million for Pfizer and five in a million for AstraZeneca.Britain would usually expect around 60 new cases of myocarditis per million people each year, and 100 new cases of pericarditis, so it does seem that the vaccines have caused a rise in the normal background rate. However it is also important to remember that Covid also carries a risk of myocarditis – and one that is far higher than the vaccine, at 1,500 cases per million infections.This is why experts believe that the benefits of a jab far outweigh the risk. The British Heart Foundation told The Telegraph: “The scientific consensus is that the benefits of Covid vaccination, including a reduced risk of severe illness or death, far outweigh the very small risk of rare side effects like myocarditis or pericarditis for the vast majority of people, especially as people get older.  “This is why it’s particularly important if you’re over 50 that you have a booster when offered it to give you even greater protection.”

An increased risk in young men

For younger people – particularly young men – the risk does seem to be higher, which could explain why people are linking the vaccine to the collapse of athletes such as Hamlin.Rumours about the vaccine affecting sports stars first started circulating after Denmark’s Christian Eriksen suffered on-field cardiac arrest during the Euro 2020 championship. A study published in the European Heart Journal in 2021 also suggested that myocarditis can increase the risk of life-threatening heart arrhythmias caused by a blunt impact to the chest, particularly in contact sports. Inter Milan has since confirmed that Eriksen had not been vaccinated at the time of his collapse, and despite claims on social media, there does not appear to be a significant rise in players collapsing in recent years.However, it remains the case that younger men are more at risk following the vaccine. One large European study estimated that in the week following a second Pfizer jab there would be around 27 more cases of myocarditis per million in 12 to 29-year-old males than would be expected in an unvaccinated population. For Moderna there would be an extra 132 cases per million.Longer follow-ups find more cases. A second European study suggested that within 28 days of a second mRNA jab there would be an extra 57 cases of myocarditis than usual for males aged 16 to 24 with Pfizer, and 188 per million with Moderna. But the benefits appear to outweigh the risks. A major review by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that although there would be up to 47 more cases of myocarditis in 12 to 29-year-old males per million vaccines, the jabs would prevent 11,000 Covid infections, 560 hospitalisations, 138 ICU admissions and six deaths. It is the reason that most experts do not believe the heart issues are cause for alarm. Dr Chenyu Sun, of Saint Joseph Hospital Chicago, who recently carried out a meta-analysis of myocarditis after vaccination involving 58 million people, said: “When myocarditis or pericarditis develop after a Covid vaccination, the symptoms are usually less severe and largely self-remitting compared with other cases. “As a clinician, I strongly recommend that people get a Covid vaccine unless there are absolute contraindications such as known allergies.”

A possible explanation 

So what is it about mRNA vaccines that is driving this small increased risk?The new vaccines work by delivering a genetic blueprint which teaches the body to produce the spike protein that Covid uses to enter cells. This process usually lasts a few weeks before the mRNA breaks down and no longer conveys its message. Some experts believe that these spike proteins cause damage in a similar way to how the virus itself can trigger clotting abnormalities and damage to the cells that line blood vessels.There may also be an issue known as ‘molecular mimicry’ where the antibodies produced against Covid also react with important heart muscle proteins, causing inflammation.The mRNA vaccines may also cause the over-activation of cells known as cytokines, which act as flags, warning immune cells that it is time to ramp up and clear out an infection. Too many can cause a deadly condition known as a ‘cytokine storm’ in which the immune system runs wild.Experts believe mRNA jabs may be particularly prone to this because they contain a compound called polyethylene glycol – a non-pharmaceutical ingredient added which helps maintain the water content in the vaccine.The compound may stimulate a stronger immune response, and men may be more at risk from a reaction because testosterone boosts the effect. Testosterone levels tend to peak in adolescence and early adulthood, which could explain some of the age and sex disparity in reaction to the jab. Chinese researchers have also proven it is possible to induce myocarditis by injecting mice with mRNA vaccines. However a report in the Lancet medical journal suggested that rare heart problems may simply be a side-effect of all vaccines, and not specific to Covid vaccines or the spike protein. They suggest that the number of reports seems greater because of the large scale of the vaccination roll-out and the unprecedented scrutiny it has received.  

What now?

Experts admit that they are still unsure whether there are long term heart risks associated with the vaccine. The British Heart Foundation is now looking into whether myocarditis – caused by either the vaccine or the virus – can cause scarring of the heart muscle, which might lead to future health problems. Certainly that is what some experts fear is happening and why they want the issue taken more seriously. Dr Malhotra believes the jab can rapidly speed up the development of heart disease, and now includes vaccine damage in his diagnoses of patients.“When you’ve got a pre-dose angiogram and a post-dose one that shows damage that usually takes years to trigger, you have to think of the most likely explanation,” said Dr Malhotra. In November, Heidelberg University carried out post-mortems on 25 people who had died unexpectedly within 20 days of a Covid vaccination and linked four deaths to myocarditis, although stopped short of saying the vaccine was to blame.  Based on the report, Florida Surgeon General Dr Joseph Ladapo has launched a study with the University of Florida to look for signs of myocarditis in people who died within a few weeks of Covid vaccination.But the majority of experts are still unconvinced vaccines are having a significant impact in death figures. So far in Britain there have been 15 deaths from myocarditis or pericarditis, while it is estimated that vaccination in Britain saved 112,000 lives in the first year alone.“Following a careful assessment of the available data, we concluded that the evidence does not support an association between the Covid vaccines and an increased risk of cardiac-related death,” a spokesperson for the MHRA told the Telegraph.“As part of our robust safety surveillance processes we continue to evaluate emerging safety information and will take action to protect public health if new safety concerns arise.“Vaccines are the best way to protect people from Covid and have already saved tens of thousands of lives.”

Q&A

Does the Covid vaccine cause heart problems?

There have been rare cases of inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis) following the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines in the UK. Patients with this condition tend to report mild symptoms such as chest pain, shortness of breath and abnormal heart rhythms, which usually quickly resolve. In serious cases it can cause abnormal heart rhythms, or make it more difficult for the heart to pump blood. So far there have been 15 deaths linked to heart inflammation after the vaccine although most of these patients had serious underlying conditions. Covid itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine. It is estimated that vaccination in Britain saved 112,000 lives in the first year alone.

What is myocarditis and pericarditis?

Myocarditis means that your heart muscle is inflamed and usually happens after catching a virus. Pericarditis is inflammation of the lining around the heart.

What is the risk of getting myocarditis or pericarditis after the vaccine?

The risk alters with age, but is small for all age groups. Those aged 18-29 are most at risk, although there have been just 24 reports of suspected myocarditis or pericarditis for every million first doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 29 per million for a second dose, since the roll-out began. The risk falls with age, with just four reports from a first dose for the over-70s. For the Moderna jab, the highest risk was also in the 18-29 years age group with 61 reports. The risk of myocarditis from Covid-19 itself is around 1,500 in a million. Research suggests that heart inflammation – myocarditis or pericarditis – is no more likely to be triggered by a Covid vaccine than any other vaccine, including the flu jab. 

Are children and young people at risk?

In the UK up to November 23, 2022, there were 83 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis reported in under-18s following the Pfizer vaccine, an average of 11 cases per million doses. Pfizer is the only vaccine recommended for children in Britain. There have been no reports of suspected myocarditis or pericarditis following booster doses in under-18s.

Is there a risk of cardiac arrest from the Covid vaccine?

No. There is no evidence that people are at risk of cardiac arrest in the days or weeks following the vaccine. A large study of four million vaccinated people in Denmark, published in the BMJ, also found there were no deaths or diagnoses of heart failure in people who were diagnosed with myocarditis or pericarditis after being vaccinated. In contrast, Covid can significantly increase your risk of cardiac arrest and stroke.

How would I know if I had myocarditis after the vaccine?

Symptoms generally appear within three to five days, and usually no more than a week, after having the vaccine. They include pain or tightness in the chest, which may spread across the body, pain in the neck that may spread across the shoulders and/or arms, shortness of breath when walking or doing gentle exercise, difficulty breathing when resting, or feeling light-headed, palpitations and feeling sick. Some people have reported feeling a faster heartbeat in the days after their Covid vaccine. This can be part of the body’s normal immune response to the vaccine and is not normally a cause for concern.

I've had myocarditis or pericarditis in the past – should I have a Covid vaccine?

Yes. There is currently no evidence that people with a history of myocarditis or pericarditis are at increased risk of a relapse following the Covid vaccine. However, you should always take advice from your GP or consultant.


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At the very least professional sports people should be having a weekly ECG stress test as part of training, this would at least provide a baseline for the innevitible next case 

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Lol an entire article with a few thousand words based on an incident that was caused by a blow to the chest (as per reports) not from a vaccine. 

Written purely for SEO. Get them clicks, get them ad impressions up. 
Lap it up. 

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tsf - 8 Jan 2023 12:05 PM
Lol an entire article with a few thousand words based on an incident that was caused by a blow to the chest (as per reports) not from a vaccine. 

Written purely for SEO. Get them clicks, get them ad impressions up. 
Lap it up. 

TSF, may I offer you a tutorial on how to think something through. It is likely that, in your life, no one sat you down to show you the steps of thinking through a problem.

First, you list down all possibilities, and then, for each possibility, you argue its merits.

Go through your friends, and you will generally find that hardly anyone thinks like this. I'd say 99.99% of people think like you do -- the masses -- if they see ONE counter-argument, that's enough for them. THIS IS WHY THE MASSES ARE SO EASY TO MANIPULATE. The typical way buffoons think -- the type of who attack the pitch at Melbourne Victory games -- those kind of blokes think only one-track. As long as they can think of ONE rebuttal, that's enough for them to mock and insult''

Think.

American NFL footballers get hits to the chest all the time. When a NFL linebacker runs into you, where do you think you get hit? Over the last few decades, how many NFL footballers do you hear of collapsing with heart problems?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-mccullough-nfl-players-cardiac-arrest-may-have-been-caused-by-vaccine-induced-myocarditis/?

TSF, I suspect you will ignore my teaching to you.

If you see how the people around you argue, you'll notice that 99% of people operate like this -- one-argument-then-insult. It is the herd, so if you operate like this, it makes you feel not out of place. The minute you start thinking systematically, looking at all the possibilities, and argue each for its merits -- you will be branded an idiot, because that is not how the masses operate.

Some bedtime reading for you:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z
"Increased emergency cardiovascular events among under-40 population in Israel during vaccine rollout and third COVID-19 wave"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11464097/Covid-Australia-2022-Teen-misses-HSC-pericarditis-jab-reaction-cardiologist-issues-warning.html

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/renowned-oncologist-sends-urgent-letter-calling-uk-end-covid-vaccine-program-immediately-cancers-diseases-rapidly-progressing-boosted-people/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/top-australian-cardiologist-calls-ban-mrna-shots-rise-jab-related-heart-conditions/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/people-dying-in-their-sleep-linked-to-vaccines-explains-dr-peter-mccullough-cardiologist_4806813.html

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/renowned-cardiologist-says-mrna-covid-shots-have-unprecedented-harms-and-must-be-suspended/?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/study-finds-25-increase-emergency-cardiovascular-events-16-39-age-group-covid-19-vaccination-rollout-israel/

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I wish I had references like that when I was at university! 
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tsf - 8 Jan 2023 5:56 PM
I wish I had references like that when I was at university! 

These things, you do not learn at unversity.

Here's a prime example: Nowhere in a science or engineering degree do they teach you the unfailing principle that the majority is always correct. The aim is to try to teach you to think for yourself.

And yet, during this pandemic, you yourself will know many people, perhaps including yourself, who ultimately made their decision to take the Covid mRNA vaccines because they said they trust the consensus of the majority.

This is a person's innate herd-mentality overriding their professional training.

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Not sure why I'm bothering but anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_associaton_football_players_who_died_during_their_careers

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-fifa-idUSL1N2SL1NJ

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/fact-check-no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-are-linked-to-athletes-collapsing-or-dying-from-myocarditis-idUSL1N2SK160



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Not sure why I'm bothering but anyway.

"Facebook admits the truth: ‘Fact checks’ are really just (lefty) opinion"
https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/


"6 Ways Fact Checkers are Biased"
https://www.allsides.com/blog/6-ways-fact-checkers-are-biased


"Fact-checker? What about a bias-checker?"
https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/06/fact-checker-what-about-a-bias-checker/


"Zuckerberg Admitted to 'Bias' in Facebook Fact-Checker"
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/zuckerberg-admitted-bias-facebook-fact-checker-hawley-82146


"Who’s Checking the Fact Checkers?"
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

'Biased' BBC is 'rewriting British history to promote a woke agenda', a group of leading academics warns
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11581105/Biased-BBC-rewriting-British-history-promote-woke-agenda-leading-academics-warn.html


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Let me help you in life.
Do the following quiz which will help you realise whether you are a dope:

Stand in front of a mirror
1) Answer the question: Do you believe the Media ever tells lies?
2) Do you totally believe everything written by the Media fact checkers?


If you answered "yes" to both those questions, the person you see in the mirror is a dope - and well qualified to join the Melbourne Victory field-attack squad.





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Headline: "Shock as Cameroonian [football] great Modeste M’bami dies aged 40 [of heart attack]"

But the knowledgeable pundits on this forum are screaming "misinformation". To them, it is not a shock, because the guys on this forum say "happens all the time".

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/shock-as-cameroonian-great-modeste-mbami-dies-aged-40/news-story/9683fb1b80004d7462ebeb5eb4899a7c

and some others in the past few days.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/17-year-old-basketball-player-dies-suddenly-home-due-medical-condition/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/video-college-basketball-player-suddenly-collapses-game/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/mma-rising-star-victoria-lee-dead-18/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/16-year-old-las-vegas-teen-flag-football-player-collapses-dies-suddenly/

It's not just stories like this. It is all the pieces of the jigsaw coming together:

1 - the number of sportspersons, and celebrities in their young years dying of heart attacks
2 - the medical evidence, in scientific journal articles, of the increased risk of myocarditis after the Covid vaccines
3 - the fact that the increase in heart attacks did not happen in 2021 during Covid, but in 2022 after the vaccine rollouts
4 - the fact that the mainstream doctors are so-called "mystified" - but strangely, are so certain that it has nothing to do with the vaccines. (Ya' gotta be blind if that doesn't tell you something).

Think, people. Any doctors, who believes it is caused by the Covid vaccines, if they say that publicly, they risk losing their medical licence. (Notice how all the research papers that show data of vaccine injury, they always end with the statement that the vaccines are useful, to cover their butt). Seriously, every person in an official capacity, it is in their interest to shut this down. Why? Because 95% of the population took these MRNA injections, and if they about-face and admit that they are dangerous, what are 95% of the population -- who were led to get their precious kids vaccinated with these new-technology substances -- you think there's not going to be protests?
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"Zimbabwe cricket icon Sinikiwe Mpofu dies less than a month after husband. Zimbabwe cricket trailblazer Sinikiwe Mpofu has died aged 37."

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/zimbabwe-cricket-icon-sinikiwe-mpofu-dies-less-than-a-month-after-husband/news-story/5b00694d60af496f7c337c65bb07d1ce

No shock to the people on this forum, who say this happens all the time.

Just a few days ago, the girlfriend of a mate, she was in her early 40's, just died suddenly.

If you are the sort that doesn't think like the herd of sheep - but if you are open to data and evidence, look at the video by Dr John Campbell who discusses the Australian Bureau of Statistics data of excess non-Covid deaths over the historical norms.

https://youtu.be/B3_bqcvDxvI

Given the data that is now emerging, one cannot just knee-jerk saying "it is a coincidence". Based on the data in 2023, you ought to be saying, at a minimum: "We do not know what is causing these excess non-Covid deaths".

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johnsmith - 9 Jan 2023 12:27 PM

Not sure why I'm bothering but anyway.

"Facebook admits the truth: ‘Fact checks’ are really just (lefty) opinion"
https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/


"6 Ways Fact Checkers are Biased"
https://www.allsides.com/blog/6-ways-fact-checkers-are-biased


"Fact-checker? What about a bias-checker?"
https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/06/fact-checker-what-about-a-bias-checker/


"Zuckerberg Admitted to 'Bias' in Facebook Fact-Checker"
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/zuckerberg-admitted-bias-facebook-fact-checker-hawley-82146


"Who’s Checking the Fact Checkers?"
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

'Biased' BBC is 'rewriting British history to promote a woke agenda', a group of leading academics warns
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11581105/Biased-BBC-rewriting-British-history-promote-woke-agenda-leading-academics-warn.html


Hey, buddy mate pal friend,
Let me help you in life.
Do the following quiz which will help you realise whether you are a dope:

Stand in front of a mirror
1) Answer the question: Do you believe the Media ever tells lies?
2) Do you totally believe everything written by the Media fact checkers?


If you answered "yes" to both those questions, the person you see in the mirror is a dope - and well qualified to join the Melbourne Victory field-attack squad.


Against my better judgement I clicked on the first link. This one. https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/

Anybody that reads this 'editorial cannot discern from it one skerrick of information, data, cross reference or link to any case that backs up the headline written.

Saying something is 'so' doesn't make it 'so'.

This is why I will never take anything you write seriously. 




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https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1614555917437075456

As usual, don't attack the person. Debate the scientific content of what the person is saying.

In society, among the masses, it is usual to attack the person. Think how many times your mates call other people idiots and other insults. Very few people debate logically. They insult the person, rather than debating the content of what the person says. It's typical bogan. That's fine for discussing football which is just a game. But if you use that on a life-and-death matter that affects the health of your children and family - it's better to switch to logical debate, for their sakes.
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