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+x+xah the true lines why MV's support got bigger, freebies even to members season in season out. Played. They only really did it at the beginning of the AL. Once AAMI was completed, the freebies completely stopped. That was 12 years ago. As for the colour it goes way beyond the SFC rivalry. Everyone just associates that colour with NSW. Yep we de real Blue State light Blue flag - jerseys/kits and all. Even that SOO kit - Blues.
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+xEveryone is rightly angry at Danny Townsend for the APL GF decision, but IMO, the biggest threat to the future of the is A-League is Simon Pearce. The short version is that Simon Pearce is on the board of the APL, Melbourne City and Silver Lake. ADP rightly quit the APL board due to a conflict of interest, but this guy takes the cake. He is a very dangerous man that is a cancer on Football. And if you delve deeper, he doesn’t exactly have a great reputation in England. Pearce is basically the reason why Melbourne City screwed over its own fanbase in favour of holding the GF in Sydney. He needs to be pushed out of the game. Maybe we will get luckly and this Manchester City investigation implicates him. We can only hope. When you go down the rabbit hole of football finance and to the source of City Group money and Silver Lake money it leads to places that aren't exactly above board. If that sort of money is why the A League even exist then should make people uncomfortable however when you let in the hedge fund suits it shows that they don't really care. Sure Danny Townsend and the A League club owners are probably above board in their way however I'm sure they don't want to think too hard about things like this.
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+xah the true lines why MV's support got bigger, freebies even to members season in season out. Played. They only really did it at the beginning of the AL. Once AAMI was completed, the freebies completely stopped. That was 12 years ago. As for the colour it goes way beyond the SFC rivalry. Everyone just associates that colour with NSW.
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ah the true lines why MV's support got bigger, freebies even to members season in season out. Played. I know SFC members do not get freebies like that, maybe some do but not the ones I know. Agreed the whole SkyBlue is wrong wrong wrong for here - the rivalry had been set. Funny you mention about any of the links behind a Club, its makes me puke knowing at times MV have had more links with LFC being a LFC/Sydneyite. Then to see a MV board members Itlaians links close my parents, frigging come on lol.....afl kills me enough hate the game and its one eyed support there but the 2 mentioned are closer to my heart.
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+xI'm sorry for good guy MCG and the few true support base but its all just too fake sorry to say. someguyfc as mentioned, all these free ticks, yes all clubs do this but they would be having to have thrown out the most for sure, well WU/Bulls wouldn't be far behind but its buying/begging for support. To be fair I'd say MV has given out the most free tickets. Difference is that it actually worked. Many of those people (myself included) were converted to full paying members. MV would give two free tickets to members every other week during those peak Etihad Stadium years. I had mates who were members and I went to every home game without paying a cent. Often times members would just give their free tickets to randoms in the ticket queue. MV stopped doing that when AAMI was completed, but managed to keep a lot of paying supporters. As for the sky blue. It's actually the single worst choice for a club in Victoria. Literally any other colour would be more acceptable. That colour has such heavy association with Sydney in general that it's just not an option in Melbourne.
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yer I tend to agree about all this ME links here there everywhere..... Despite MC EPL having a long history pre CFG they were a small piece in the 1st Div and EPL till Mansour bought them. Had a few great names but their results we're ordinary to say the least, word in the past was they only turned up once they got winning in the modern times. From afar I actually liked the Heart symbolism - going sky blue like SFC doesn't fit as well, yep they are back in the UK it was like a FU to all here as well. I'm sorry for good guy MCG and the few true support base but its all just too fake sorry to say and underhand wherever they go.. someguyfc as mentioned, all these free ticks, yes all clubs do this but they would be having to have thrown out the most for sure, well WU/Bulls wouldn't be far behind but its buying/begging for support. \\ https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/football/how-manchester-city-developed-a-global-network-of-clubs-1.766476
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+xEveryone is rightly angry at Danny Townsend for the APL GF decision, but IMO, the biggest threat to the future of the is A-League is Simon Pearce. The short version is that Simon Pearce is on the board of the APL, Melbourne City and Silver Lake. ADP rightly quit the APL board due to a conflict of interest, but this guy takes the cake. He is a very dangerous man that is a cancer on Football. And if you delve deeper, he doesn’t exactly have a great reputation in England. Pearce is basically the reason why Melbourne City screwed over its own fanbase in favour of holding the GF in Sydney. He needs to be pushed out of the game. Maybe we will get luckly and this Manchester City investigation implicates him. We can only hope. Despite spelling his name wrong, I know exactly who this POS is mate :) Poor attempt at levity on my behalf.. The face of sportswashing worldwide, not just here and in England.
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Everyone is rightly angry at Danny Townsend for the APL GF decision, but IMO, the biggest threat to the future of the is A-League is Simon Pearce. The short version is that Simon Pearce is on the board of the APL, Melbourne City and Silver Lake. ADP rightly quit the APL board due to a conflict of interest, but this guy takes the cake. He is a very dangerous man that is a cancer on Football. And if you delve deeper, he doesn’t exactly have a great reputation in England. Pearce is basically the reason why Melbourne City screwed over its own fanbase in favour of holding the GF in Sydney. He needs to be pushed out of the game. Maybe we will get luckly and this Manchester City investigation implicates him. We can only hope.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr. Of course, but they would also lose supporters from the West and probably North. I live in the inner northern suburbs and have a few friends who support MC. The ones that live west have already said they will abandon the club once it moves east. The ones that live in the North have said, they'll wait and see, but aren't too happy about it. I also have a group of friends that have said will just return to supporting Knights in the NSD if they get a spot. They don't have that many current supporters to lose though, will hardly impact them in that way. MC need a whole new area to embrace them.. Not entirely true. They have quite a large supporter base. Problem is they don't seem to go regularly. yer, could have fooled me. So this quite large supporter base, they go to AFL instead I suppose ? or couldn't be bothered attending ?All I see most home games is empty seats and pigeons. Not even a qrtr stad full, always looks pretty sad barring the few big games, being Champs and how they've played last few years you wonder where this quite large supporter base is being Melb is always quoted as the sporting mad State compared to the rest. Nothing adds up tbh and with all the resource which is great and time to establish I can't see this mob having a high attendance for yonks and yonks. Something is not right for seriously, its only looks a shade better in support since the Heart days ? They have a lot of supporters, but they just aren't the "go every week, think or thin, win or lose, rain or shine" type of supporters. If 5k turn up one week, I reckon it's about a 80% different 5k that turns up the following week. The problem is MC haven't been able to convert enough of them into paying regulars. One of my MC mates was telling me that the free tickets have largely dried up. There are still some but no where near what it used to be. I know a few people that were MH members but dumped their memberships because they were getting free tickets every week anyway. I reckon the biggest issue is CFG and the branding. If CFG never bought them and it was still Heart, yet they were getting the results they have been over the last few years, I have no doubts the metrics would be way way better. Right now, they have the results but not the identity nor the personalities.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr. Of course, but they would also lose supporters from the West and probably North. I live in the inner northern suburbs and have a few friends who support MC. The ones that live west have already said they will abandon the club once it moves east. The ones that live in the North have said, they'll wait and see, but aren't too happy about it. I also have a group of friends that have said will just return to supporting Knights in the NSD if they get a spot. They don't have that many current supporters to lose though, will hardly impact them in that way. MC need a whole new area to embrace them.. Not entirely true. They have quite a large supporter base. Problem is they don't seem to go regularly. yer, could have fooled me. So this quite large supporter base, they go to AFL instead I suppose ? or couldn't be bothered attending ? All I see most home games is empty seats and pigeons. Not even a qrtr stad full, always looks pretty sad barring the few big games, being Champs and how they've played last few years you wonder where this quite large supporter base is being Melb is always quoted as the sporting mad State compared to the rest. Nothing adds up tbh and with all the resource which is great and time to establish I can't see this mob having a high attendance for yonks and yonks. Something is not right for seriously, its only looks a shade better in support since the Heart days ?
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+x+x+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr. So you reckon Melbourne City's future is to focus on getting support from Dandenong? Riiiight..... I grew up in Melbourne- Dandenong not a bad idea. City are competing for supporters and sharing home ground with better established Victory. Wouldn’t just be Dandenong itself that would support City - other large Sth East areas like Pakenham, Cranbourne, even Bayside and Frankston areas might show support if they don’t have to travel to Aami park to see a top AL side play a home game anymore. Less than 5k last week for home game - what have they got to lose by relocating to large outer Melbourne area?!
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+x+x+x+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr. Of course, but they would also lose supporters from the West and probably North. I live in the inner northern suburbs and have a few friends who support MC. The ones that live west have already said they will abandon the club once it moves east. The ones that live in the North have said, they'll wait and see, but aren't too happy about it. I also have a group of friends that have said will just return to supporting Knights in the NSD if they get a spot. They don't have that many current supporters to lose though, will hardly impact them in that way. MC need a whole new area to embrace them.. Not entirely true. They have quite a large supporter base. Problem is they don't seem to go regularly.
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+x+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr. So you reckon Melbourne City's future is to focus on getting support from Dandenong? Riiiight.....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6-rRqr21_kWho is this "Simon Pierce" that appears implicated in all of the dodgy emails??? His name sounds familiar?
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+x+x+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr. Of course, but they would also lose supporters from the West and probably North. I live in the inner northern suburbs and have a few friends who support MC. The ones that live west have already said they will abandon the club once it moves east. The ones that live in the North have said, they'll wait and see, but aren't too happy about it. I also have a group of friends that have said will just return to supporting Knights in the NSD if they get a spot. They don't have that many current supporters to lose though, will hardly impact them in that way. MC need a whole new area to embrace them..
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+x+xAlso based on this season’s form, it’s almost 100% certainty that City will be in GF - but how many City fans still have motivation, time/money to travel to GF in Sydney when City get less than 5k to HOME game?! There won’t be a sold out GF. Townsend should quit and reverse what is probably the WORST AL decision ever. Would actually prefer 2 teams outside Sydney make the final and no bastard turned up to stick it right up those APL pricks. Like last year's A-league GF costing the league money, closed tiers of the stadium and freebies thrown around all over the place. Hold on. That was an all Melb GF played at AAMI!! 😳😳
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I hope (for MCG's sake if nothing else) that this doesnt lead to CFG pulling the plug on their sport washing exercise.. I mean they own clubs all around the world and even 30% of the APL now?!?!?!?!? Might consider this "loss of face" a bridge too far and pull the pin entirely..
Lets remember the Qatari women's national football team and lament the fact that they now (surprisingly within days of the 2022 men's world cup ending) appear to not exist anymore? Who would be so incredulous as to believe that the very reason Qatar even created a women's national team (and league I think?) in 2009 was to win hosting rights to a one off event?
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+xIt's an interesting conversation. Comparisons with Man City are kind of irrelevant as Man City has over a century of history with fans being passed down each generation. Heart/MC was always going to be a slow burn when it came to fan growth. IMO the name/branding wasn't quite right from the get go. People didn't mind the red/white, but the name meant nothing. They may as well called themselves Not Victory FC as that was the only real reason for people to jump on board. Although CFG brought in success through investment and professionalism, they also brought with them a tonne of baggage. Anyone that supports Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Tottenham, etc, are very unlikely to get on board with a club owned by CFG. That cuts out a big chunk of the potential fan base in Melbourne. That's a fan base that MV had already been grazing on for a while, so it was already diminished. I know a young family (English migrants), who were members of Heart, but dumped them as soon as CFG took over as they are Liverpool supporters. They are now MV members. Then there is the issue of CFG being UAE owned, which is a whole other kettle of fish all together. As for the low crowd numbers, some of it has to do with the league itself and Australian football issues in general. Also as you know, it's been a bit weird in Melbourne post lock downs. Many people just haven't returned as a result of not being able to watch their team live for so long. Not entirely sure of the reasons, but things have definitely changed in Melbourne. The on-field results are interesting. The squad is obviously good and the points are flowing nicely. However that's not always enough, weirdly. Sometimes you need personalities to put bums on seats. I'll ask you this question, MCG. What was more exciting as a MC fan? Less consistent points, yet still competitive, and Fornaroli was scoring great goals and frustrating defenders. Or. Consistent wins and JMac tapping in goals every week. Many good points made - City were a nothing club for decades before CFG in the UK for starters. The point made about the many here supporting arsenal spurs United LFC is spot on City hardly had any barring the few ex pats. Always been a square peg in a round hole only positive it saved the fledging MH regards AL. will be interesting what transpires from the EPL investigations.
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Need to move to the South East as soon as possible.
They have zero connection with the Metropolitan Melbourne fanbase. Their crowds are fabricated as well. My sister works at AAMI Park and she said to me that they are adding on at least 2000 to the publicised attendance each match. One of the games last season she mentioned that they had a sub 2000 attendance. The staff at AAMI park always have a laugh about what is the publicised figure.
Build a 12,500 seat stadium in Dandenong and play all games out of there. They wont sell that out for 15 years. Playing at a 30k stadium in the heart of Melbourne, which is actually Victorys stadium, is such a bad look.
They will dominate this league for the forseeable future on field.
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+x+xBut i feel like the club doesn't care about their fans at all like does Manchester city do things differently?
Speaking of Manchester City...... Yep Some guy on Twitter suggested giving a 15 point deduction to every team owned by City Football Group.
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+xBut i feel like the club doesn't care about their fans at all like does Manchester city do things differently?
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+xHistorically Heart/City have made some poor choices which would've impacted a fickle fan base. Just off the top of my head there was: 1) Absolutely no identity from Day 1 besides anti Melbourne Victory 2) They had an outspoken CEO in Scott Munn who petrayed an untitled arrogance early days when really they should marketed themselves as the working class club 3) Despite being anti Merrick, Muscat FC they proceeded to sign ex Victory players like Fred & Harry Kewell 4) The original name Melbourne Heart didn't actually mean anything, I remember a great suggestion at the time being 'Sporting Melbourne' which actually would've appealed to the Victorian public and they could've marketed themselves as a club that has harmonious relationships with liking AFL, cricket, tennis, basketball etc. 5) They didn't offer a point of difference by having cheaper memberships than MVFC. Not sure why they did that... 6) Once Melb City took over it didnt alienate the fan base that liked Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool etc as they felt they were betraying their 'own' clubs by supporting a City backed club. 7) Once CFG took over they progressively became a well off club which almost changed their identity from the 'Ice bin' club at Latrobe Uni where they were battlers. 8) The David Villa fiasco. What a brilliant signing on paper, all of us generally got excited for him and he played 3 games in total out of the 10 he was supposed to? No wonder fans would've felt short changed on that. 9) The FFA blocked them signing Lampard and MV would've signed Diamanti at his peak. How awesome would've that been for the league! Opportunities missed 10) Had a club hero in Bruno Fornaroli and Warren Joyce proceeded to freeze the bloke out while playing dire football 11) Warren Joyce in general, such a dire manager. Had one of the best squads on paper with the biggest outlay we've seen, full of attacking swagger and he had to implement dross. 12) Joyce then proceeds to bench national hero Cahill which the above went on, eventually forcing him out. 13) Moving from Latrobe (inner North) to Casey Fields (outer south east Melb). There were calls to do this from day 1 but the club never engaged with the south east until now. That's just off the top of my head but I'm sure there's been more instances in the past 4-5 years. Understandably they've had great on field success recently but the above would've turned off fans in it's early days and as we know it's much harder to regain fans once they are off side with the organisation. Out of all those things number ten hit us hard. We really struggled with losing Bruno
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Historically Heart/City have made some poor choices which would've impacted a fickle fan base. Just off the top of my head there was:
1) Absolutely no identity from Day 1 besides anti Melbourne Victory 2) They had an outspoken CEO in Scott Munn who petrayed an untitled arrogance early days when really they should marketed themselves as the working class club 3) Despite being anti Merrick, Muscat FC they proceeded to sign ex Victory players like Fred & Harry Kewell 4) The original name Melbourne Heart didn't actually mean anything, I remember a great suggestion at the time being 'Sporting Melbourne' which actually would've appealed to the Victorian public and they could've marketed themselves as a club that has harmonious relationships with liking AFL, cricket, tennis, basketball etc. 5) They didn't offer a point of difference by having cheaper memberships than MVFC. Not sure why they did that... 6) Once Melb City took over it didnt alienate the fan base that liked Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool etc as they felt they were betraying their 'own' clubs by supporting a City backed club. 7) Once CFG took over they progressively became a well off club which almost changed their identity from the 'Ice bin' club at Latrobe Uni where they were battlers. 8) The David Villa fiasco. What a brilliant signing on paper, all of us generally got excited for him and he played 3 games in total out of the 10 he was supposed to? No wonder fans would've felt short changed on that. 9) The FFA blocked them signing Lampard and MV would've signed Diamanti at his peak. How awesome would've that been for the league! Opportunities missed 10) Had a club hero in Bruno Fornaroli and Warren Joyce proceeded to freeze the bloke out while playing dire football 11) Warren Joyce in general, such a dire manager. Had one of the best squads on paper with the biggest outlay we've seen, full of attacking swagger and he had to implement dross. 12) Joyce then proceeds to bench national hero Cahill which the above went on, eventually forcing him out. 13) Moving from Latrobe (inner North) to Casey Fields (outer south east Melb). There were calls to do this from day 1 but the club never engaged with the south east until now.
That's just off the top of my head but I'm sure there's been more instances in the past 4-5 years. Understandably they've had great on field success recently but the above would've turned off fans in it's early days and as we know it's much harder to regain fans once they are off side with the organisation.
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+x+x+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr. Of course, but they would also lose supporters from the West and probably North. I live in the inner northern suburbs and have a few friends who support MC. The ones that live west have already said they will abandon the club once it moves east. The ones that live in the North have said, they'll wait and see, but aren't too happy about it. I also have a group of friends that have said will just return to supporting Knights in the NSD if they get a spot. I reckon the numbers of new supporters in the Dandenong area would outnumber what they'd lose in the West and North (which wouldn't be huge numbers anyway), provided they did it properly and really tried to connect to the local community. The proposed site of the new stadium would be right next to the train station, so easy to get to. Doubt it would happen, but to really forge an identity, changing the clubs name to South East Melbourne City
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+x+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr. Of course, but they would also lose supporters from the West and probably North. I live in the inner northern suburbs and have a few friends who support MC. The ones that live west have already said they will abandon the club once it moves east. The ones that live in the North have said, they'll wait and see, but aren't too happy about it. I also have a group of friends that have said will just return to supporting Knights in the NSD if they get a spot.
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+x+xMelb City need a fresh new lot of supporters together with the ones they currently have. This can only happen if City Group build a Stadium at Dandenong. If you can only get 5k coming into the CBD for a game, then how many are going to watch a game in Dandenong? New supporters from Dandenong, derr.
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+x+x+x+x+xAlso based on this season’s form, it’s almost 100% certainty that City will be in GF - but how many City fans still have motivation, time/money to travel to GF in Sydney when City get less than 5k to HOME game?! There won’t be a sold out GF. Townsend should quit and reverse what is probably the WORST AL decision ever. Would actually prefer 2 teams outside Sydney make the final and no bastard turned up to stick it right up those APL pricks. This is what I'm hoping for as well. Not only 2 teams outside Sydney, but 2 teams outside NSW (sorry CCM). My gut feeling is that it will be a MC/AU grand final. It will be an absolutely epic game, yet the majority of fans will be watching at home, at a pub or at some event their clubs put on locally. We do tend to have fascinating contests I'll say that much. At least if this transpires we would never have hosted the game anyway aha Maybe not, but you (and many others) would have considered making the trip over to Melbourne if it were in Melbourne.
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+x+x+x+xAlso based on this season’s form, it’s almost 100% certainty that City will be in GF - but how many City fans still have motivation, time/money to travel to GF in Sydney when City get less than 5k to HOME game?! There won’t be a sold out GF. Townsend should quit and reverse what is probably the WORST AL decision ever. Would actually prefer 2 teams outside Sydney make the final and no bastard turned up to stick it right up those APL pricks. This is what I'm hoping for as well. Not only 2 teams outside Sydney, but 2 teams outside NSW (sorry CCM). My gut feeling is that it will be a MC/AU grand final. It will be an absolutely epic game, yet the majority of fans will be watching at home, at a pub or at some event their clubs put on locally. We do tend to have fascinating contests I'll say that much. At least if this transpires we would never have hosted the game anyway aha
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+x+x+xAlso based on this season’s form, it’s almost 100% certainty that City will be in GF - but how many City fans still have motivation, time/money to travel to GF in Sydney when City get less than 5k to HOME game?! There won’t be a sold out GF. Townsend should quit and reverse what is probably the WORST AL decision ever. Would actually prefer 2 teams outside Sydney make the final and no bastard turned up to stick it right up those APL pricks. This is what I'm hoping for as well. Not only 2 teams outside Sydney, but 2 teams outside NSW (sorry CCM). Wouldn't surprise me at all.
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+xHaving chosen to see the occasional City game live, I can tell you that it’s one of the most plastic, forced match day experiences I have ever seen. The club is fake and the whole experience reeks of it. The match day MC screeches his head off trying to pump up the crowd of corporate drones wearing head to toe MC blue. It’s a sad, pathetic atmosphere. It is try hard.
Agree with Aami park MC being a wanker on the mic - very American style over the top verbal diarrhea that you get at basketball games 🤮
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