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+x+xI think 20 000 spectators in Sydney to celebrate Aus finishing 11th in the Qatar WC is appalling! When Gallop was CEO of Football Aus he used to compliantly accept 20 000 crowds for Sydney as reasonable, yet used to moan when Canberra drew 20 000 crowds and Perth had 23 000 plus crowds. Obviously Sydney with a massive population of 5 million, are complacent about the Socceroos these days, and prefer watching big name European club teams playing friendlies. I'm not sure if Hindmarsh has a capacity bigger than the 20 000? I'd surmise much smaller population centres Perth, Melbourne ( on Tuesday), Gosford , Canberra, Newcastle and Brisbane would easily exceed 20 000 spectators to celebrate Aus finishing 11th in Qatar - particularly against high quality Ecuador. A bit frustrating for all the members of this forum residing in Sydney who attended the game against Ecuador. Have you ever been to Sydney? Getting from northern Beaches to Paramatta is a bit off putting for some. Lived in Bondi.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. You're comparing 70 years with less than 20. How daft! 3-4 ball players was more than we have now. Viduka, Kewell, Bresciano, Culina, Grella, Neill all had ability on the ball. Who do we have now? Mooy, Hrustic, Souttar. The rest are turnover merchants. No wonder our possession and pass completion was so shitty compared with 2006.
Take your head out of your arse. Sorry dude you totally lost me with that comment. Maybe it's you who should take your head out of your arse & watch a Socceroos game from 2006. Even worse was the 1997 Iran game with Okon & Zelich, we hardly strung 4 passes together.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. It's even worse now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. The skill level is alot higher these days but dont tell them that shssh!
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+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex . +x[quote]+x[quote]D2 I hardly miss a Roo game but nope I didn't go due to family function though many of my regular football mates did that normally I'm with for we always arrange a group buy. Good on you for attending most Soccerooo games, LFC. We in the Aussie regions, are envious you have such easy access to Socceroo fixtures. not being smug but yes proximity has its privilidges even though many out of the big smoke can't stand it, one of the main reasons why I like being here even though I've mentioned to the wife lets move out of the city. Like going to Gelatissimo "choices" I would miss what the city has on the tap. Carrying on with the ongoing debate of players of the past to present you posted : "The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition." In bold imo thats a given whoever gets to the level pulling on a NT shirt, some more than others but all have portions of all described. Tactically well thats a different kettle for the game has changed since 06 to 2023 yer, so thats not a balanced comparison as well. The 06 and pre if coached as per today would be just as sound. What I see the difference is the quality of skill levels and those with the nouse of giving nice ball at the right time that with all the wonderful level of coaching today we give away alot wouldn't you agree. We sure are not possion monsters thats for sure but we're more so keeping shape better than before. from another of your posts : "Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up." So is Neil and Moore forgotten by many ? They sure weren't too bad a CB pairing imo as roar as it was back then. Laza may not be a sound running back defender as required today but as a attacking LB you could say he was ahead of his time (for here) by his flank attacking raids and cross's. The mention re Ryan, yer I can't say much re Bozza for he blew it big time but good ol MS I rate above our Matty I'm sorry to others, his Club career smokes his and he done ok for us between the sticks. Anyway this topic always comes along and we all have our opinions thats healthy, maybe I'm a harsh judge or expectations too high for I believe we need a core playing in higher leagues than current but thats my belief and the way I see it. Souttar is the only one in one though I think I;ve missed someone else therefore maybe 2. We need more. Today I wonder how the Neills, Grellas, Moores, Emertons, Lazzas, Wilshires would have dealt with the pressing world where 1st touch is so important. As mush as I love Cahill, could he play attacking midfielder for one of the better teams with his lack of a good first touch & lack of a creative game. If we strip away all the romance there probably IS some truth to this re half that team. Not saying today's team is better, I'm not insane, but this is likely true in a lot of cases
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. Precisely. Changes in style and tactics does not necessarily lead to wholesale changes in outcomes.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. Faaaark man, they were Brazilians!!!!!! They hate their own team if it dosn't play pretty........ I was also in Europe in 06 and heard nothing but praise by others for the Socceroos.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the benchWe got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against EcuadorWatch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches What a stupid comment, how can you compare players whos stats are in the history books & who playing ability lives solely in some old videos & the memories of some old men to players who are at the start of their careers or those whos the history books are still writing their stories. How does Matt Ryan who now has 3 campaigns at the WC compare to Bozza, who didn't appear in any, but played 1 season with Man U? Setting aside your insulting nonsensical opening sentence, to answer your question, I would say Ryan compares very lucky to have played in 3 WC's because he's had very little competition and Arnie loves him (Langers should have got the for this WC). Oh and it was Bosnich who kept Schwarzer on the bench. On ability , Ryan is behind both of them. My apologies on my insulting comment, however, I did notice you did choose the easy route, while Ryan didn't have the competition, he has played in 3 WC campaigns & is current captain aiming for 4th at 34 years old, Bozza, who would have been perfect age of 34 for a GK wasn't even playing in 2006. How do you compare those Socceroos legends to players still at the start of their careers was my real question, which you choose to ignore. It's like comparing Kewell 1997 to Kewell 2006. I compared them on the basis of where they were playing and their ability, tat similar ages In 1999: Harry Kewell was 21. Emerton was 20 Aloisi 23 Viduka was 24
Popovic 26 Bozza was 27 Okon was 27 There is no player currently that could beat a man, period, let alone like Harry. There is no current Socceroos with the ability to go around players like Okon or Zelic
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. Faaaark man, they were Brazilians!!!!!! They hate their own team if it dosn't play pretty........ I was also in Europe in 06 and heard nothing but praise by others for the Socceroos. I am betting the praise (coz I heard it too and was in England/Italy at the time) was "you gave us a tough game" "gee didn't expect much but you guys made it tough" "you guys were better than I expected" etc etc Exactly as we hear now and that's the people being nice to our faces Outside a couple of players some people half respected we never had any TRUE respect on the world stage
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. You're comparing 70 years with less than 20. How daft! 3-4 ball players was more than we have now. Viduka, Kewell, Bresciano, Culina, Grella, Neill all had ability on the ball. Who do we have now? Mooy, Hrustic, Souttar. The rest are turnover merchants. No wonder our possession and pass completion was so shitty compared with 2006.
Take your head out of your arse. Sorry dude you totally lost me with that comment. Maybe it's you who should take your head out of your arse & watch a Socceroos game from 2006. Even worse was the 1997 Iran game with Okon & Zelich, we hardly strung 4 passes together. Mate if this current generation players were as good as you say they would have been snapped up by top tier clubs after the WC. We have Harry Souttar and that's it. Ryan couldn't a game in Norway! N O R W A Y, FFS and he's the best keeper we have apparently.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. Faaaark man, they were Brazilians!!!!!! They hate their own team if it dosn't play pretty........ I was also in Europe in 06 and heard nothing but praise by others for the Socceroos. I am betting the praise (coz I heard it too and was in England/Italy at the time) was "you gave us a tough game" "gee didn't expect much but you guys made it tough" "you guys were better than I expected" etc etc Exactly as we hear now and that's the people being nice to our faces Outside a couple of players some people half respected we never had any TRUE respect on the world stage Sure, I guess a bit of that but, there was general admiration (and recognition) for the usual Dukes, Harry, Bresc etc... Not sure anyone outside of Australia (and their respective club fans I suppose) knows who Duke, Leckie, Rowles or Goodwin are mate.... All serviceable players sure, but NOT game changers...... The 2022 miracle was Arnie squeezing a game plan out of a serviceable squad it has NOTHING to do with the fruits of the KVND curriculum, nothing to do with the "professional" Aleague, nothing even to do with this mythical new "talented" generation everyone repeatedly keeps hoping will happen. True respect on the world stage will only come with persistent results AND world renowned players ..... both of those stem from the same thing.......
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. Its odd how some people disrespect their heritage barely one generation ago. Would Germans do that to their 1990 team? How would their current team go against them (let alone their 2014 one.) Tactics change but talent and ability is timeless.
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+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex . +x[quote]+x[quote]D2 I hardly miss a Roo game but nope I didn't go due to family function though many of my regular football mates did that normally I'm with for we always arrange a group buy. Good on you for attending most Soccerooo games, LFC. We in the Aussie regions, are envious you have such easy access to Socceroo fixtures. not being smug but yes proximity has its privilidges even though many out of the big smoke can't stand it, one of the main reasons why I like being here even though I've mentioned to the wife lets move out of the city. Like going to Gelatissimo "choices" I would miss what the city has on the tap. Carrying on with the ongoing debate of players of the past to present you posted : "The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition." In bold imo thats a given whoever gets to the level pulling on a NT shirt, some more than others but all have portions of all described. Tactically well thats a different kettle for the game has changed since 06 to 2023 yer, so thats not a balanced comparison as well. The 06 and pre if coached as per today would be just as sound. What I see the difference is the quality of skill levels and those with the nouse of giving nice ball at the right time that with all the wonderful level of coaching today we give away alot wouldn't you agree. We sure are not possion monsters thats for sure but we're more so keeping shape better than before. from another of your posts : "Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up." So is Neil and Moore forgotten by many ? They sure weren't too bad a CB pairing imo as roar as it was back then. Laza may not be a sound running back defender as required today but as a attacking LB you could say he was ahead of his time (for here) by his flank attacking raids and cross's. The mention re Ryan, yer I can't say much re Bozza for he blew it big time but good ol MS I rate above our Matty I'm sorry to others, his Club career smokes his and he done ok for us between the sticks. Anyway this topic always comes along and we all have our opinions thats healthy, maybe I'm a harsh judge or expectations too high for I believe we need a core playing in higher leagues than current but thats my belief and the way I see it. Souttar is the only one in one though I think I;ve missed someone else therefore maybe 2. We need more. Today I wonder how the Neills, Grellas, Moores, Emertons, Lazzas, Wilshires would have dealt with the pressing world where 1st touch is so important. As mush as I love Cahill, could he play attacking midfielder for one of the better teams with his lack of a good first touch & lack of a creative game. If we strip away all the romance there probably IS some truth to this re half that team. Not saying today's team is better, I'm not insane, but this is likely true in a lot of cases Look at it this way. Messi debuted in 2004, and 20 years late he's still one of the greatest players in the game. Similar with Ronaldo. It doesn't matter what is going on wiht the game with regards to playing style, possession, chasing down balls and all those touchy feely concepts, their individual ability continues to be single thing that shines though. If 27yo Neill were playing today, he would be in the Premier League. Bresciano in Serie A. Cahill would still be in the EPL because of his unique heading ability and goal scoring capabilities. Dooks would still be in the EPL, because even today technically good physically strong strikers are incredible valued. People are getting carried away with the whole ""eeew but i dont think dooks has the fitness or situational awareness to make it in today's modern game which is more built around beep tests, game plan and gender inclusion"
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+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. Faaaark man, they were Brazilians!!!!!! They hate their own team if it dosn't play pretty........ I was also in Europe in 06 and heard nothing but praise by others for the Socceroos. I am betting the praise (coz I heard it too and was in England/Italy at the time) was "you gave us a tough game" "gee didn't expect much but you guys made it tough" "you guys were better than I expected" etc etc Exactly as we hear now and that's the people being nice to our faces Outside a couple of players some people half respected we never had any TRUE respect on the world stage Sure, I guess a bit of that but, there was general admiration (and recognition) for the usual Dukes, Harry, Bresc etc... Not sure anyone outside of Australia (and their respective club fans I suppose) knows who Duke, Leckie, Rowles or Goodwin are mate.... All serviceable players sure, but NOT game changers...... The 2022 miracle was Arnie squeezing a game plan out of a serviceable squad it has NOTHING to do with the fruits of the KVND curriculum, nothing to do with the "professional" Aleague, nothing even to do with this mythical new "talented" generation everyone repeatedly keeps hoping will happen. True respect on the world stage will only come with persistent results AND world renowned players ..... both of those stem from the same thing....... Bang on right. Arnold's pragmatism was what got us through-always said he was a better bet as NT coach than Postecoglou who is more a romantic idealist suited to club football where he can pick the players he wants rather than work with what he has.
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+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. Wonder no more. All of them because their ability and talent would not be diminished and they would benefit from better fitness, nutrition, and adapt to new tactics.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded.
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+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Many of them played for top tier leagues for very short periods in their careers, and weren't regular first eleven starters. Moreover, most of that generation played little regular competitive international football. A few players who starred in club football, for short times in their careers, struggled to make the same impact as international players - Viduka, Scott McDonald, Danny Tiatto, Ned Zelic, Paul Okon. Also, the current Socceroo team has a massive amount of collective game sense. Goodwin, Duke, Irvine, Mooy, Behich, Souttar, Rowles, O'Neill, Maclaren and Ryan have a high level of individual game sense in international football. The team cohesion and chemistry is good. Most of them have played a lot more meaningful tournaments and long qualifying campaigns than players prior to 2005. They are used to following international game plans against high calibre opposition, in big games at international level. When one looks at the games prior to 2005 the high number of unforced turnovers, the lower quality of movement off the ball, the high frequency of straight balls played, less cohesion in defensive structures, a nebulous understanding of the four main moments of the game, etc, etc, stand out. It was no coincidence we don qualify for a WC in 32 years. A number of Socceroos in that era allude to it in biographies and autobiographies. When one looks back and evaluates games for mine, a few lower rated players stood dout. 1993 era - Arnold, both Vidmars and Robbie Slater stood out. Tony Vidmar was effective anywhere across the back four from 1993 - 2005! 1997 - that era onwards Kewell was an absolute standout right up until 2005. 2003 - in the Ireland game, Bresciano, which might have been his first cap, really lifted the handing speed in midfield, as did Grella - faster than Skoko, Okon and Zelic. Handling speed is the speed with which a player receives and passes the ball onwards. The two Italian based players and Culina, were capable of rapid-fire passing and moving in tight spaces. Most of our midfielders can do this now, even some CBs and Full Backs can too. Keepers - Bozza and Schwarzer may have been superior shot stoppers to Ryan, but in other two aspects of keeping, playing with one's feet on the deck as a sweeper, and, commanding the pen box, Ryan is decidedly superior. The game has moved on a lot.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. Faaaark man, they were Brazilians!!!!!! They hate their own team if it dosn't play pretty........ I was also in Europe in 06 and heard nothing but praise by others for the Socceroos. I am betting the praise (coz I heard it too and was in England/Italy at the time) was "you gave us a tough game" "gee didn't expect much but you guys made it tough" "you guys were better than I expected" etc etc Exactly as we hear now and that's the people being nice to our faces Outside a couple of players some people half respected we never had any TRUE respect on the world stage Sure, I guess a bit of that but, there was general admiration (and recognition) for the usual Dukes, Harry, Bresc etc... Not sure anyone outside of Australia (and their respective club fans I suppose) knows who Duke, Leckie, Rowles or Goodwin are mate.... All serviceable players sure, but NOT game changers...... The 2022 miracle was Arnie squeezing a game plan out of a serviceable squad it has NOTHING to do with the fruits of the KVND curriculum, nothing to do with the "professional" Aleague, nothing even to do with this mythical new "talented" generation everyone repeatedly keeps hoping will happen. True respect on the world stage will only come with persistent results AND world renowned players ..... both of those stem from the same thing....... I agree with you but outside Kewell and Dukes I'm not sure we had anyone that other fans truly respected/recognised/admired. I personally love all of them and occasionally pull out the DVD of the world cup on a hangover Sunday but if we could be transported instantly to mid 2006 you'd be hard pressed to have neutrals lavishing praise even on one of my personal favourites Grella or Bresc etc I think I have explained enough how much I love these guys and think they would beat today's team hands down, I'm just saying we were never truly respected on the world stage the way people are now misremembering. We were still considered fighters and boxing kangaroos aha
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+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
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+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. Wonder no more. All of them because their ability and talent would not be diminished and they would benefit from better fitness, nutrition, and adapt to new tactics. exactly right. Look at Mitrovic at Fulham if you wanna see the V-Bomber circa 2023.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. Yeah mate, I do....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining....
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+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. Wonder no more. All of them because their ability and talent would not be diminished and they would benefit from better fitness, nutrition, and adapt to new tactics. It is not different fitness, its different skill, look at Kante, he could run all day but his first touch & ability to set attacks going with 1 touch was immense, look at Xavi, his athletic ability was minimal but his 1st touch was probably in the top 5 of alltime. Let me tell you the Northern Europeans thought, we have the fitness & the mental strength, now if we improve that skillful side things we'd be unbeatable, the southern European sides said we have all the skills, but if we improved our fitness & mental strength we'd be unbeatable. Suddenly we now have Ronaldos, Messis, Mbappes, Rashfords, Salahs etc, who are skillful, athletic & mental strength of a Lion. We Aussies had the Northern European attributes, but taken a little longer to catch up on the skillful side. So don't be confused.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. Faaaark man, they were Brazilians!!!!!! They hate their own team if it dosn't play pretty........ I was also in Europe in 06 and heard nothing but praise by others for the Socceroos. I am betting the praise (coz I heard it too and was in England/Italy at the time) was "you gave us a tough game" "gee didn't expect much but you guys made it tough" "you guys were better than I expected" etc etc Exactly as we hear now and that's the people being nice to our faces Outside a couple of players some people half respected we never had any TRUE respect on the world stage Sure, I guess a bit of that but, there was general admiration (and recognition) for the usual Dukes, Harry, Bresc etc... Not sure anyone outside of Australia (and their respective club fans I suppose) knows who Duke, Leckie, Rowles or Goodwin are mate.... All serviceable players sure, but NOT game changers...... The 2022 miracle was Arnie squeezing a game plan out of a serviceable squad it has NOTHING to do with the fruits of the KVND curriculum, nothing to do with the "professional" Aleague, nothing even to do with this mythical new "talented" generation everyone repeatedly keeps hoping will happen. True respect on the world stage will only come with persistent results AND world renowned players ..... both of those stem from the same thing....... I agree with you but outside Kewell and Dukes I'm not sure we had anyone that other fans truly respected/recognised/admired. I personally love all of them and occasionally pull out the DVD of the world cup on a hangover Sunday but if we could be transported instantly to mid 2006 you'd be hard pressed to have neutrals lavishing praise even on one of my personal favourites Grella or Bresc etc I think I have explained enough how much I love these guys and think they would beat today's team hands down, I'm just saying we were never truly respected on the world stage the way people are now misremembering. We were still considered fighters and boxing kangaroos aha Yeah I feel ya...... its probably a bit of rose coloured glasses, but an Italian bloke in Rome (in an Irish pub of ALL places lol) did ask me if I knew Bresc since I was from Melbourne....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... TBH, I have followed them a long time, and in many games - even at their peak they were equally useless (perhaps even worse with the players they had) at times. Asian Cup for example. It's really hard to compare., however on the pitch recently we have been the best we have ever been by results. As I said, before, if only we had coaches and set up now back then. Imagine....
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^ but yeah, some of the recent ability to trap the ball, protect and make a decent pass is nowhere. But this is a problem I reckon Aussie players have had for years (except Dukes who was an absolute king on the ball)
On the flip side, Grella wasn't so silky smooth with his touches
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+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me.
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