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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... TBH, I have followed them a long time, and in many games - even at their peak they were equally useless (perhaps even worse with the players they had) at times. Asian Cup for example. It's really hard to compare., however on the pitch recently we have been the best we have ever been by results. As I said, before, if only we had coaches and set up now back then. Imagine.... We'd have "murdered" at France 98 and the NSL would still be around? hahahahahahahahahahaahah
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+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. It's hard to compare anything Pitches are better now, sports science, tactics, boots, training methods, kits are lighter, balls etc If an average team now took on a good team 20 years ago, they'd probably murder them...however give the team from 20 years ago the resources now...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... TBH, I have followed them a long time, and in many games - even at their peak they were equally useless (perhaps even worse with the players they had) at times. Asian Cup for example. It's really hard to compare., however on the pitch recently we have been the best we have ever been by results. As I said, before, if only we had coaches and set up now back then. Imagine.... We'd have "murdered" at France 98 and the NSL would still be around? hahahahahahahahahahaahah Oh lose this NSL v A-league that clouds your judgement.
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+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. We ALL agree with this mate... its not that hard to see..... football is ALOT different ..... But just because players in the 70s, 80s, 90s played to a certain system, on shitter pitches, with no physical science behind their training or dietitians etc.. doesn't mean they were better or worse players.... Skill is skill no matter the era....... In the reverse, Bappe would have slotted in in-front of Zizou, or even Just Fontaine no problem. Your buddy Ronaldo would have killed it with Eusebio on the other wing.... Messi might have had to "alternate" with Maradonna but he would have appreciated Battistuta or Cannighia up top....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... TBH, I have followed them a long time, and in many games - even at their peak they were equally useless (perhaps even worse with the players they had) at times. Asian Cup for example. It's really hard to compare., however on the pitch recently we have been the best we have ever been by results. As I said, before, if only we had coaches and set up now back then. Imagine.... We'd have "murdered" at France 98 and the NSL would still be around? hahahahahahahahahahaahah If we didn't have venebles you'd think we'd at least qualify
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... TBH, I have followed them a long time, and in many games - even at their peak they were equally useless (perhaps even worse with the players they had) at times. Asian Cup for example. It's really hard to compare., however on the pitch recently we have been the best we have ever been by results. As I said, before, if only we had coaches and set up now back then. Imagine.... We'd have "murdered" at France 98 and the NSL would still be around? hahahahahahahahahahaahah Oh lose this NSL v A-league that clouds your judgement. Chill man, this was a joke.......
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... I'm not talking shit but I could do this most times out of 10 back in the day. I used to practice this constantly so I could bring down goal kicks as an attacker who was usually several inches shorter than the defenders aha I dare say most of them could depending on how much pressure they were under Not sure about Mabil though aha I love him but first touch was not his thing Still, I think we underestimate how much better even most A-League players are than park footballers
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+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Using specific football performance match analysis at international level, in some cases yes. *Viduka was a far better club player than Duke. No comparison. At international level for the Soceroos, Duke's empirical performances have been decidedly better than Viduka's. Why? Goals scored per match played - Duke has a far higher average of goals scored per game playing for the Socceroos, than Viduka. Viduka only scored 11 goals from 44 matches played. It equates to 0.25 goals scored per game. Duke's is close to 0.40 goals scored per game Both have performed work that led to other players scoring. The incredible amount of tracking back, tackling, closing down space by Duke in team game plans in pressing and squeezing - which is paramount in gengen pressing, is infinitely superior to Viduka. One weakness of Viduka's was the bad tackles he made in defensive areas, ceding free kicks close to our goal. *Cahill v Irvine as an Attacking Mid. Irvine has just only started this role against Ecuador. He has been box to box, or been a DM. In terms of goals scored and clinical ability around goals ( Cahill improved as a designated striker) Cahill may shade Irvine as an Attacking Mid. Irvine is a far better defensive player as part of a team unit than Cahill ever was. * Degenek as a defensive RB is infinitely superior to Emo. Emo is a better overlapping attacking RB, but Atkinson has these qualities too. Looking back at a few Emo games prior to 2005, both he, and Neill playing RB, made a lot of dumb off the ball runs relative to the ball carrier. Watching Dehenek and Atkinson, they ensure they move more quickly into an optimum diagonal passing lane to support the ball carrier. * 2006 Neill and Moore were at their peaks as CBs. Rowles has only played a few games, but has already gone as far as either in a WC, with Aus finishing tiger in Qatar than Germany. Neill and More were far more experienced then in 2006, but I think the 2015 Asian Cup winning CB pairing of Sains and Spira, was better again. Given they are so young, Rowles, who I think is slightly better than Souttar, will be the best CB pairing we've ever had. * I didn't imply Maclaren was better than Romario. Romario would excel as a striker in any epoch in history - including the current one.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. Playing style, tactics , evolves over time but individual ability is still the single most valuable and predictable commodity in determining outcome. Uh no todays game wouldnt smash the golden gen, at least not the Socceroos. Under Guus we easily played the most slickest, cohesive, balanced, attractive football in our history. That was a combination of players with excellent ability and Guus's man management and tactical nous. Do you really think Arnie's administered backs to the wall, invoking Anzac spirit , do whatever it takes tactics would overrun Guus's golden gen? Even the golden gen under Farina would still hammer them. I get concerned when people put way too much emphasis on the coaching, tactical side of things. Football has gone backwards in Australia because we stopped teaching kids how to run at defenders and develop individual flair and put their destiny in the hands of master tacticians who train the kids into generic robots who pass sideways and follow coaches orders. It truly fucked football in Australia. Notice how Ange does well in the SPL but not Europe. That main determinant of that is budget, not coaches tactics. I begged to differ, I was in Germany & after Brazil game was drinking with some Brazilian fans, so proud of the Aussie performance, I thought bit of luck we could've got a draw, expecting praise from the Brazilians fans, instead they just you don't play 'jogo bonita', you play ugly football, you not good enough. Totally disappointed I disagreed, until I got home & a months last saw the replay of the game & yes we fought hard, we played hard, but skill level we were well, well below their standard, there was no comparison. Faaaark man, they were Brazilians!!!!!! They hate their own team if it dosn't play pretty........ I was also in Europe in 06 and heard nothing but praise by others for the Socceroos. I am betting the praise (coz I heard it too and was in England/Italy at the time) was "you gave us a tough game" "gee didn't expect much but you guys made it tough" "you guys were better than I expected" etc etc Exactly as we hear now and that's the people being nice to our faces Outside a couple of players some people half respected we never had any TRUE respect on the world stage Sure, I guess a bit of that but, there was general admiration (and recognition) for the usual Dukes, Harry, Bresc etc... Not sure anyone outside of Australia (and their respective club fans I suppose) knows who Duke, Leckie, Rowles or Goodwin are mate.... All serviceable players sure, but NOT game changers...... The 2022 miracle was Arnie squeezing a game plan out of a serviceable squad it has NOTHING to do with the fruits of the KVND curriculum, nothing to do with the "professional" Aleague, nothing even to do with this mythical new "talented" generation everyone repeatedly keeps hoping will happen. True respect on the world stage will only come with persistent results AND world renowned players ..... both of those stem from the same thing....... I agree with you but outside Kewell and Dukes I'm not sure we had anyone that other fans truly respected/recognised/admired. I personally love all of them and occasionally pull out the DVD of the world cup on a hangover Sunday but if we could be transported instantly to mid 2006 you'd be hard pressed to have neutrals lavishing praise even on one of my personal favourites Grella or Bresc etc I think I have explained enough how much I love these guys and think they would beat today's team hands down, I'm just saying we were never truly respected on the world stage the way people are now misremembering. We were still considered fighters and boxing kangaroos aha Yeah I feel ya...... its probably a bit of rose coloured glasses, but an Italian bloke in Rome (in an Irish pub of ALL places lol) did ask me if I knew Bresc since I was from Melbourne.... Yeah cousins from Canicatti (near Palermo) obviously knew who he was
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... I'm not talking shit but I could do this most times out of 10 back in the day. I used to practice this constantly so I could bring down goal kicks as an attacker who was usually several inches shorter than the defenders aha I dare say most of them could depending on how much pressure they were under Not sure about Mabil though aha I love him but first touch was not his thing Still, I think we underestimate how much better even most A-League players are than park footballers Sorry mate, I just dont see it... I think our current lot are pretty poor at this..... Wish it was different, and not just a dig at Aleague, look at that cum-dog guy or even Big Harry (although at 15 meters tall and CB he is sort of excused I guess)
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. It's hard to compare anything Pitches are better now, sports science, tactics, boots, training methods, kits are lighter, balls etc If an average team now took on a good team 20 years ago, they'd probably murder them...however give the team from 20 years ago the resources now... It's this as Barca4life says, I'm not saying anything else but this; The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long.
We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too.
The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out?
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. If an average team now took on a good team 20 years ago, they'd probably murder them...however give the team from 20 years ago the resources now... This is all it comes down to. Direct comparison is impossible. The raw talent in the 1997-2006 era transplanted to where today's players started their pro-careers would be all over them. I trulybelieve that and I'm sure 95% of us agree.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... I'm not talking shit but I could do this most times out of 10 back in the day. I used to practice this constantly so I could bring down goal kicks as an attacker who was usually several inches shorter than the defenders aha I dare say most of them could depending on how much pressure they were under Not sure about Mabil though aha I love him but first touch was not his thing Still, I think we underestimate how much better even most A-League players are than park footballers Sorry mate, I just dont see it... I think our current lot are pretty poor at this..... Wish it was different, and not just a dig at Aleague, look at that cum-dog guy or even Big Harry (although at 15 meters tall and CB he is sort of excused I guess) That's why I said depending on how much pressure they are under. Your scenario was more of a training ground exercise (or that's how I misinterpreted it). that's all I meant. Even guys like McGree who I love has appalling first touch in tight spaces
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. Its odd how some people disrespect their heritage barely one generation ago. Would Germans do that to their 1990 team? How would their current team go against them (let alone their 2014 one.) Tactics change but talent and ability is timeless. You a funny one, you accuse me of disrespecting my heritage, the 2006 team were all my heroes. Funny how you disrespect your current countryman, those who just gave us the best performance at a WC by a Socceroos side.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... I'm not talking shit but I could do this most times out of 10 back in the day. I used to practice this constantly so I could bring down goal kicks as an attacker who was usually several inches shorter than the defenders aha I dare say most of them could depending on how much pressure they were under Not sure about Mabil though aha I love him but first touch was not his thing Still, I think we underestimate how much better even most A-League players are than park footballers Sorry mate, I just dont see it... I think our current lot are pretty poor at this..... Wish it was different, and not just a dig at Aleague, look at that cum-dog guy or even Big Harry (although at 15 meters tall and CB he is sort of excused I guess) That's why I said depending on how much pressure they are under. Your scenario was more of a training ground exercise (or that's how I misinterpreted it). that's all I meant. Even guys like McGree who I love has appalling first touch in tight spaces Australians as such, even our GG has appalling first touch, outside of Viduka & Kewell.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. If an average team now took on a good team 20 years ago, they'd probably murder them...however give the team from 20 years ago the resources now... This is all it comes down to. Direct comparison is impossible. The raw talent in the 1997-2006 era transplanted to where today's players started their pro-careers would be all over them.
I trulybelieve that and I'm sure 95% of us agree. That would be down to 2 players Kewell & Viduka. The other 3 players who were probably above the current level Okon, Zelic & Bozza all had fairly average Socceroos careers.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. It's hilarious to read at times lol Could you kindly tell me, from the current Socceroos squad playing tonight, which of the players do you think could stop a ball cold with one touch from a Ryan goal-kick....... From the brief cameo I say, maybe Robertson in my opinion, Mooy and Hrustic when they are playing but thats it.... who else Tilio??? Mabil? ..... Its a simple skill, ball is coming at you high and hard, trap it with one foot/one touch so it is no more than 50cms from your position...... who, in your opinion can achieve this? It will make watching the match tonight highly entertaining.... I'm not talking shit but I could do this most times out of 10 back in the day. I used to practice this constantly so I could bring down goal kicks as an attacker who was usually several inches shorter than the defenders aha I dare say most of them could depending on how much pressure they were under Not sure about Mabil though aha I love him but first touch was not his thing Still, I think we underestimate how much better even most A-League players are than park footballers Sorry mate, I just dont see it... I think our current lot are pretty poor at this..... Wish it was different, and not just a dig at Aleague, look at that cum-dog guy or even Big Harry (although at 15 meters tall and CB he is sort of excused I guess) That's why I said depending on how much pressure they are under. Your scenario was more of a training ground exercise (or that's how I misinterpreted it). that's all I meant. Even guys like McGree who I love has appalling first touch in tight spaces Australians as such, even our GG has appalling first touch, outside of Viduka & Kewell. I think a lot of it comes down to the level of competitions our kids face in the crucial development years. It goes to my point to MSC that doing it under pressure is the true judge. Having to do it at full pace with a defender up your bum. a guy like McGree is fianlly getting better playing 40 games in a season at full pace. If he had that level of competition (like an english kid does) from 16-21 instead of 22-24 he would be premier league ready I'm sure of it. His raw talent at 15 would have been as good as most other 15 years olds. Or whoever. He is just an example
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+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. I think you and I are looking at the previous GG eras dispassionately, Robbos. I'm not sure how many others have watched all those games in Grazorblade's fantastic thread with many old Socceroo games going right back to 1993? I've watched heaps. I think many football fans adulated the hype and mystique created by the then football media about amazing Aussie players, because they played in Europe. We were starved from watching the Socceroos play quality teams. Then post 2007 when we started playing meaningful games regularly and the public started watching WCQ and Asian CQ games frequently, the mystique of the Socceroos has disappeared. Our media became more analytical. There have also been many opportunities for the public to evaluate strengths and weaknesses of Socceroo teams since. Unlike many, I learned coaching in the old system and the new. The old system resulted in poorly trained Aussie coaches. The new system has resulted in very well trained Aussie coaches, using European football methodology imported from the powerhouses. The current C Licence is in advance of a Pro Licence in the old days. The A League is now a very good league tactically. When players go overseas the main step up, is the superior technique of their club teammates to Aussies. Nothing else is better- communication, game sense and football conditioning. Craig Goodwin for one has stated this.
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+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex . +x[quote]+x[quote]D2 I hardly miss a Roo game but nope I didn't go due to family function though many of my regular football mates did that normally I'm with for we always arrange a group buy. Good on you for attending most Soccerooo games, LFC. We in the Aussie regions, are envious you have such easy access to Socceroo fixtures. not being smug but yes proximity has its privilidges even though many out of the big smoke can't stand it, one of the main reasons why I like being here even though I've mentioned to the wife lets move out of the city. Like going to Gelatissimo "choices" I would miss what the city has on the tap. Carrying on with the ongoing debate of players of the past to present you posted : "The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition." In bold imo thats a given whoever gets to the level pulling on a NT shirt, some more than others but all have portions of all described. Tactically well thats a different kettle for the game has changed since 06 to 2023 yer, so thats not a balanced comparison as well. The 06 and pre if coached as per today would be just as sound. What I see the difference is the quality of skill levels and those with the nouse of giving nice ball at the right time that with all the wonderful level of coaching today we give away alot wouldn't you agree. We sure are not possion monsters thats for sure but we're more so keeping shape better than before. from another of your posts : "Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up." So is Neil and Moore forgotten by many ? They sure weren't too bad a CB pairing imo as roar as it was back then. Laza may not be a sound running back defender as required today but as a attacking LB you could say he was ahead of his time (for here) by his flank attacking raids and cross's. The mention re Ryan, yer I can't say much re Bozza for he blew it big time but good ol MS I rate above our Matty I'm sorry to others, his Club career smokes his and he done ok for us between the sticks. Anyway this topic always comes along and we all have our opinions thats healthy, maybe I'm a harsh judge or expectations too high for I believe we need a core playing in higher leagues than current but thats my belief and the way I see it. Souttar is the only one in one though I think I;ve missed someone else therefore maybe 2. We need more. I've responded to many of your points in another post, with Roosty stating similar to you, LFC. I'll qualify my views because I've watched so many Socceroo games, very recently, with games before 2005, via Grazorblade's fantastic thread with all his wonderful video links. I was often quite surprised by what I saw. Mainly how much worse players/teams were, but also some genuine surprises - like how good Graham Arnold was as a striker in 1993, or Robbie Slater's crossing in 1993! Also, I know Kewell was good, but from watching the old replays, I think he is even better! Other surprises, I thought Iran in 1997 were really poor, and Argentina of 1993 were quite weak - apart from 4 star players - Maradona, Redondo, another midfielder and a CB. Also, how when we played France in a friendly in 2001, they were playing modern football similar to the current era. They were simply a class act, even then. That was with Zidane, Pires, Desailly, Frank Le Boeof, Petit, etc!
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+x+xI’d been buzzing all week about AU playing Wanderers at Paramatta on the Friday night and was bummed to learn that I would have to wait another week for that match to occur.
Totally!! I was so disappointed when I realised last week that game was "next Friday" not "this Friday". Was hard to care much about a Socceroos friendly in that context even though I obviously watched it and enjoyed the game Great advertisement for the A-league right there. It’s a huge match coming up on Friday and a Socceroos friendly in the mix at this time just isn’t the same thing. Good luck to us on Friday Davide!
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. It's hard to compare anything Pitches are better now, sports science, tactics, boots, training methods, kits are lighter, balls etc If an average team now took on a good team 20 years ago, they'd probably murder them...however give the team from 20 years ago the resources now... It's this as Barca4life says, I'm not saying anything else but this; The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long.
We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too.
The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams
I dont think anyone is arguing that though mate your doing apples to oranges not apples to apples..... Im not.... but also bear in mind the real comparison (so that you can compare who was a better player) should be
Current Socceroos vs Current Footballers globally
Golden Gen Socceroos vs footballers playing in the early 2000s.....
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+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. I think you and I are looking at the previous GG eras dispassionately, Robbos. I'm not sure how many others have watched all those games in Grazorblade's fantastic thread with many old Socceroo games going right back to 1993? I've watched heaps. I think many football fans adulated the hype and mystique created by the then football media about amazing Aussie players, because they played in Europe. We were starved from watching the Socceroos play quality teams. Then post 2007 when we started playing meaningful games regularly and the public started watching WCQ and Asian CQ games frequently, the mystique of the Socceroos has disappeared. Our media became more analytical. There have also been many opportunities for the public to evaluate strengths and weaknesses of Socceroo teams since. Unlike many, I learned coaching in the old system and the new. The old system resulted in poorly trained Aussie coaches. The new system has resulted in very well trained Aussie coaches, using European football methodology imported from the powerhouses. The current C Licence is in advance of a Pro Licence in the old days. The A League is now a very good league tactically. When players go overseas the main step up, is the superior technique of their club teammates to Aussies. Nothing else is better- communication, game sense and football conditioning. Craig Goodwin for one has stated this. I think you are right. Brett Emerton is a good case to review, lots of games in Holland where he excelled, played in the Premier League was an Ok player in an OK team, did well for Australia, came back to A-League was very average, maybe time & injury curtailed but he was playing in a lesser league in the A-League,, whereas you can see the class in Del Peiro & Diamanti & even Ninkovic, even in his latter years showing something more. Similar to other returning GGs, again maybe a little to late, maybe they though it was their pension fund, but again playing in lesser leagues Cullina, Kewell, Cahill, Alosi, Skoko, Wilshire, Moore, Sterjovski, Lazaridis, none were that special in the A-league.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. It's hard to compare anything Pitches are better now, sports science, tactics, boots, training methods, kits are lighter, balls etc If an average team now took on a good team 20 years ago, they'd probably murder them...however give the team from 20 years ago the resources now... It's this as Barca4life says, I'm not saying anything else but this; The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long.
We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too.
The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams
I dont think anyone is arguing that though mate your doing apples to oranges not apples to apples..... Im not.... but also bear in mind the real comparison (so that you can compare who was a better player) should be
Current Socceroos vs Current Footballers globally
Golden Gen Socceroos vs footballers playing in the early 2000s.....
No doubt very true, but 3 points to that; 1. You cannot compare a player that has ended his career to a player that is either just beginning or in the middle of it. 2. The competition for places in the top leagues is so much stronger with lots of Africans both central & Northern Africans, Sth Americans & even players from Asia. There is no comparison, look at every top league & see how many colour people are playing in the top leagues, there is no comparison to 2006. 3. Socceroos 2006 was known as a more physical direct side, how many outside Kewell & Dukes would've made the top leagues now where technical skill is the high priority due to the high pressing. Technical skills is something Australia has never been known for.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. I think you and I are looking at the previous GG eras dispassionately, Robbos. I'm not sure how many others have watched all those games in Grazorblade's fantastic thread with many old Socceroo games going right back to 1993? I've watched heaps. I think many football fans adulated the hype and mystique created by the then football media about amazing Aussie players, because they played in Europe. We were starved from watching the Socceroos play quality teams. Then post 2007 when we started playing meaningful games regularly and the public started watching WCQ and Asian CQ games frequently, the mystique of the Socceroos has disappeared. Our media became more analytical. There have also been many opportunities for the public to evaluate strengths and weaknesses of Socceroo teams since. Unlike many, I learned coaching in the old system and the new. The old system resulted in poorly trained Aussie coaches. The new system has resulted in very well trained Aussie coaches, using European football methodology imported from the powerhouses. The current C Licence is in advance of a Pro Licence in the old days. The A League is now a very good league tactically. When players go overseas the main step up, is the superior technique of their club teammates to Aussies. Nothing else is better- communication, game sense and football conditioning. Craig Goodwin for one has stated this. I think you are right. Brett Emerton is a good case to review, lots of games in Holland where he excelled, played in the Premier League was an Ok player in an OK team, did well for Australia, came back to A-League was very average, maybe time & injury curtailed but he was playing in a lesser league in the A-League,, whereas you can see the class in Del Peiro & Diamanti & even Ninkovic, even in his latter years showing something more. Similar to other returning GGs, again maybe a little to late, maybe they though it was their pension fund, but again playing in lesser leagues Cullina, Kewell, Cahill, Alosi, Skoko, Wilshire, Moore, Sterjovski, Lazaridis, none were that special in the A-league. Clearly a case of none of them being close to their prime but Culina (who WAS in his prime) was brilliant for Gold Coast
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. It's hard to compare anything Pitches are better now, sports science, tactics, boots, training methods, kits are lighter, balls etc If an average team now took on a good team 20 years ago, they'd probably murder them...however give the team from 20 years ago the resources now... It's this as Barca4life says, I'm not saying anything else but this; The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long.
We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too.
The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams
I dont think anyone is arguing that though mate your doing apples to oranges not apples to apples..... Im not.... but also bear in mind the real comparison (so that you can compare who was a better player) should be
Current Socceroos vs Current Footballers globally
Golden Gen Socceroos vs footballers playing in the early 2000s.....
No doubt very true, but 3 points to that; 1. You cannot compare a player that has ended his career to a player that is either just beginning or in the middle of it. 2. The competition for places in the top leagues is so much stronger with lots of Africans both central & Northern Africans, Sth Americans & even players from Asia. There is no comparison, look at every top league & see how many colour people are playing in the top leagues, there is no comparison to 2006. 3. Socceroos 2006 was known as a more physical direct side, how many outside Kewell & Dukes would've made the top leagues now where technical skill is the high priority due to the high pressing. Technical skills is something Australia has never been known for. I agree with your first point but not the rest.... man v man, pound for pound, the 2006 Socceroos , IN THE WHOLE, would have each been in the top 20-50 players IN THE WORLD in their respective positions.... Who can you say that about currently? Mooy at a very very very longs stretch???
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Again this stupid comparison, how can you compare Marcus Harris to Steve Waugh? One has finished his career, the other is still going. You can only compare styles, yes today's game would smash the game of the Golden Gen time. How you do not see that I do not understand. This is not saying the like of Dukes, Breschs & Kewell playing in today's game would not excel, just that the playing style is totally different, if not sure what I mean go & have a look at some of those 2006 WC games. I think you and I are looking at the previous GG eras dispassionately, Robbos. I'm not sure how many others have watched all those games in Grazorblade's fantastic thread with many old Socceroo games going right back to 1993? I've watched heaps. I think many football fans adulated the hype and mystique created by the then football media about amazing Aussie players, because they played in Europe. We were starved from watching the Socceroos play quality teams. Then post 2007 when we started playing meaningful games regularly and the public started watching WCQ and Asian CQ games frequently, the mystique of the Socceroos has disappeared. Our media became more analytical. There have also been many opportunities for the public to evaluate strengths and weaknesses of Socceroo teams since. Unlike many, I learned coaching in the old system and the new. The old system resulted in poorly trained Aussie coaches. The new system has resulted in very well trained Aussie coaches, using European football methodology imported from the powerhouses. The current C Licence is in advance of a Pro Licence in the old days. The A League is now a very good league tactically. When players go overseas the main step up, is the superior technique of their club teammates to Aussies. Nothing else is better- communication, game sense and football conditioning. Craig Goodwin for one has stated this. I think you are right. Brett Emerton is a good case to review, lots of games in Holland where he excelled, played in the Premier League was an Ok player in an OK team, did well for Australia, came back to A-League was very average, maybe time & injury curtailed but he was playing in a lesser league in the A-League,, whereas you can see the class in Del Peiro & Diamanti & even Ninkovic, even in his latter years showing something more. Similar to other returning GGs, again maybe a little to late, maybe they though it was their pension fund, but again playing in lesser leagues Cullina, Kewell, Cahill, Alosi, Skoko, Wilshire, Moore, Sterjovski, Lazaridis, none were that special in the A-league. Clearly a case of none of them being close to their prime but Culina (who WAS in his prime) was brilliant for Gold Coast Culina was a protected species. Got fouled a lot and the opposition got sanctioned. Fouled even more ... crickets. Tried his showboating in the A-League and he got fouled.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. I think you are both saying the same thing but attacking it from different angles.... Comparing "styles" and "players" is pointless without context... On sheer fitness alone Hull City 2023 would beat the 1958 Brazilian team.... but that does NOT mean that player for player anyone in the curretn squad for Hull can even come close to Garrincha, Didi or Pele..... If, by some "Back to the Future" timetravel, the 2006 Socceroos squad could be frozen in Carbonite at their peak, defrosted in 2021 and trained in today's environment...... we would have beaten Equadore 5-6 nil on the weekend. You really think the 2006 Socceroos squad had half the skills of the Ecuadorian side & to say they would beat them 5-6 nil is totally laughable. Some people are just so blinded. 100%
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. Its odd how some people disrespect their heritage barely one generation ago. Would Germans do that to their 1990 team? How would their current team go against them (let alone their 2014 one.) Tactics change but talent and ability is timeless. You a funny one, you accuse me of disrespecting my heritage, the 2006 team were all my heroes. Funny how you disrespect your current countryman, those who just gave us the best performance at a WC by a Socceroos side. Sory the result was good but the players? C'mon? Duke better than Viduka?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. It's hard to compare anything Pitches are better now, sports science, tactics, boots, training methods, kits are lighter, balls etc If an average team now took on a good team 20 years ago, they'd probably murder them...however give the team from 20 years ago the resources now... It's this as Barca4life says, I'm not saying anything else but this; The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long.
We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too.
The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams
I dont think anyone is arguing that though mate your doing apples to oranges not apples to apples..... Im not.... but also bear in mind the real comparison (so that you can compare who was a better player) should be
Current Socceroos vs Current Footballers globally
Golden Gen Socceroos vs footballers playing in the early 2000s.....
No doubt very true, but 3 points to that; 1. You cannot compare a player that has ended his career to a player that is either just beginning or in the middle of it. 2. The competition for places in the top leagues is so much stronger with lots of Africans both central & Northern Africans, Sth Americans & even players from Asia. There is no comparison, look at every top league & see how many colour people are playing in the top leagues, there is no comparison to 2006. 3. Socceroos 2006 was known as a more physical direct side, how many outside Kewell & Dukes would've made the top leagues now where technical skill is the high priority due to the high pressing. Technical skills is something Australia has never been known for. I agree with your first point but not the rest.... man v man, pound for pound, the 2006 Socceroos , IN THE WHOLE, would have each been in the top 20-50 players IN THE WORLD in their respective positions.... Who can you say that about currently? Mooy at a very very very longs stretch??? Now you just taking the piss. You do have a point if we did do a top 20-50 in each position this would prove my 2nd point, when you see players from Georgia, Egypt, Sth Korea, Morocco, Norway, USA, Canada, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Sengal, Iran, Mexico, you would understand my 2nd point.
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+x+x+x+xImagine if we had the quality of coaches we have now with those players... Not terry venebles flying in for the weekend from his spanish investement complex I've watched a lot of Socceroo games prior to 2005. Despite the clubs they played with, only Bresc, Kewell, possibly Grella, maybe Chippers, would displace players in the current Socceroo line up. That's a bit silly, decentric. Are you saying Duke is a better striker than Viduka? Irvine a better box to box than Cahill? Degenek better than Emerton? Rowles better than Neill and Moore? It's a bit like saying Marcus Harris is a better batsman than Steve Waugh because he is tactically better and chases harder in the field. Superior individual ability will almost always triumph over tactics, work rate etc, all else being equal. No Duke isn't a better striker than Dooks because he likes to track back and chase hard moving cohesively as part of an organised team unit, even a fat lazy Viduka living on a diet of big macs and milkshakes is a better striker than Duke. The current Socceroos would get absolutely toweled by the golden gen. Even Guardiola coaching them they would still get hammered. Come to think of it, decentric, this is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. What's next, is Mclaren a better striker than Romario because he is better adapted to the modern game? Its great that we made it to the second round and everything but let's not get carried away. Using specific football performance match analysis at international level, in some cases yes. *Viduka was a far better club player than Duke. No comparison. At international level for the Soceroos, Duke's empirical performances have been decidedly better than Viduka's. Why? Goals scored per match played - Duke has a far higher average of goals scored per game playing for the Socceroos, than Viduka. Viduka only scored 11 goals from 44 matches played. It equates to 0.25 goals scored per game. Duke's is close to 0.40 goals scored per game Both have performed work that led to other players scoring. The incredible amount of tracking back, tackling, closing down space by Duke in team game plans in pressing and squeezing - which is paramount in gengen pressing, is infinitely superior to Viduka. One weakness of Viduka's was the bad tackles he made in defensive areas, ceding free kicks close to our goal. *Cahill v Irvine as an Attacking Mid. Irvine has just only started this role against Ecuador. He has been box to box, or been a DM. In terms of goals scored and clinical ability around goals ( Cahill improved as a designated striker) Cahill may shade Irvine as an Attacking Mid. Irvine is a far better defensive player as part of a team unit than Cahill ever was. * Degenek as a defensive RB is infinitely superior to Emo. Emo is a better overlapping attacking RB, but Atkinson has these qualities too. Looking back at a few Emo games prior to 2005, both he, and Neill playing RB, made a lot of dumb off the ball runs relative to the ball carrier. Watching Dehenek and Atkinson, they ensure they move more quickly into an optimum diagonal passing lane to support the ball carrier. * 2006 Neill and Moore were at their peaks as CBs. Rowles has only played a few games, but has already gone as far as either in a WC, with Aus finishing tiger in Qatar than Germany. Neill and More were far more experienced then in 2006, but I think the 2015 Asian Cup winning CB pairing of Sains and Spira, was better again. Given they are so young, Rowles, who I think is slightly better than Souttar, will be the best CB pairing we've ever had. * I didn't imply Maclaren was better than Romario. Romario would excel as a striker in any epoch in history - including the current one. Your analysis is crude, basic and stupid. - David Zdrilic scored 20 goals in 30 games, if he our greatest Socceroos striker ever? Damian Mori and Archie Thompson also had better scoring records than Dooks, does that men you pick them over Viduka? - No cares about " tracking back" and "closing down space", in the list of desirable attributes they are squarely down the bottom. That's why Duke plays J2, not even J1 let alone EPL. - Cahill may shade Cahill as better attacking mid? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND DECENTRIC? What happened to #statistics all of a sudden? I can't be fucked going on, it's hurting my brain too much. It's clear that you've overthought this decentric. Sometimes when you spend too long thinking and researching something, insanely stupid ideas can become normalised in the mind. There is no mystery here, no amount of holisitic reasoning and crude statsitical analysis can change that. It's as simple as this. The golden gen players who played hundreds of games at the highest levels in the toughest competitions in the world are infinitely superior to those who oscillate between J2, the A league, Bundie 2 and god forbid the MLS.
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