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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. Its odd how some people disrespect their heritage barely one generation ago. Would Germans do that to their 1990 team? How would their current team go against them (let alone their 2014 one.) Tactics change but talent and ability is timeless. You a funny one, you accuse me of disrespecting my heritage, the 2006 team were all my heroes. Funny how you disrespect your current countryman, those who just gave us the best performance at a WC by a Socceroos side. Sory the result was good but the players? C'mon? Duke better than Viduka? Yes Kewell & Viduka, all the way, our best 2 players ever. Outside of these 2 was the disparity between the others that great. But was Emerton better then Leckie, or Bresc over Mooy, Skoko over Rogic, Cullina over Milligan, Moore & Neill over Souttar? yes maybe but not by that great.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. You're comparing 70 years with less than 20. How daft! 3-4 ball players was more than we have now. Viduka, Kewell, Bresciano, Culina, Grella, Neill all had ability on the ball. Who do we have now? Mooy, Hrustic, Souttar. The rest are turnover merchants. No wonder our possession and pass completion was so shitty compared with 2006.
Take your head out of your arse. Sorry dude you totally lost me with that comment. Maybe it's you who should take your head out of your arse & watch a Socceroos game from 2006. Even worse was the 1997 Iran game with Okon & Zelich, we hardly strung 4 passes together. Mate if this current generation players were as good as you say they would have been snapped up by top tier clubs after the WC. We have Harry Souttar and that's it. Ryan couldn't a game in Norway! N O R W A Y, FFS and he's the best keeper we have apparently. Ryan didn't get a game in Norway because he never was at a club in that country.He was in Denmark and yes didn't get much game time and was being undermined by the other goal keeper with snide remarks on social media.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. Its odd how some people disrespect their heritage barely one generation ago. Would Germans do that to their 1990 team? How would their current team go against them (let alone their 2014 one.) Tactics change but talent and ability is timeless. You a funny one, you accuse me of disrespecting my heritage, the 2006 team were all my heroes. Funny how you disrespect your current countryman, those who just gave us the best performance at a WC by a Socceroos side. Sory the result was good but the players? C'mon? Duke better than Viduka? Yes Kewell & Viduka, all the way, our best 2 players ever. Outside of these 2 was the disparity between the others that great. But was Emerton better then Leckie, or Bresc over Mooy, Skoko over Rogic, Cullina over Milligan, Moore & Neill over Souttar? yes maybe but not by that great. The only player in that list I would take 100% is Rogic. Souttar is too soon to call over Moore or Neill. Only Mooy and Rogic are comparable. But Mooy is up against Okon and Zelic-tough for Aaron. How could I forget the maestro Milan Ivanovic? Rogic- depend on how the team sets up could actually be up against Kewell for the spot. And even though he might want to snort his line than come off it, I'd still take Bozza. There's a reason SAF bought him. Twice.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. You're comparing 70 years with less than 20. How daft! 3-4 ball players was more than we have now. Viduka, Kewell, Bresciano, Culina, Grella, Neill all had ability on the ball. Who do we have now? Mooy, Hrustic, Souttar. The rest are turnover merchants. No wonder our possession and pass completion was so shitty compared with 2006.
Take your head out of your arse. Sorry dude you totally lost me with that comment. Maybe it's you who should take your head out of your arse & watch a Socceroos game from 2006. Even worse was the 1997 Iran game with Okon & Zelich, we hardly strung 4 passes together. Mate if this current generation players were as good as you say they would have been snapped up by top tier clubs after the WC. We have Harry Souttar and that's it. Ryan couldn't a game in Norway! N O R W A Y, FFS and he's the best keeper we have apparently. Ryan didn't get a game in Norway because he never was at a club in that country.He was in Denmark and yes didn't get much game time and was being undermined by the other goal keeper with snide remarks on social media. I keep thinking about that howler from Zelko vs Croatia in 2006 and other past exhibitions of clumsiness. I'd have Matty any day.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. You're comparing 70 years with less than 20. How daft! 3-4 ball players was more than we have now. Viduka, Kewell, Bresciano, Culina, Grella, Neill all had ability on the ball. Who do we have now? Mooy, Hrustic, Souttar. The rest are turnover merchants. No wonder our possession and pass completion was so shitty compared with 2006.
Take your head out of your arse. Sorry dude you totally lost me with that comment. Maybe it's you who should take your head out of your arse & watch a Socceroos game from 2006. Even worse was the 1997 Iran game with Okon & Zelich, we hardly strung 4 passes together. Mate if this current generation players were as good as you say they would have been snapped up by top tier clubs after the WC. We have Harry Souttar and that's it. Ryan couldn't a game in Norway! N O R W A Y, FFS and he's the best keeper we have apparently. Ryan didn't get a game in Norway because he never was at a club in that country.He was in Denmark and yes didn't get much game time and was being undermined by the other goal keeper with snide remarks on social media. Denmark/Norway same difference. He's played two dozen games in 2 or so years. There's a reason for that and its not twitter comments.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt was very disappointing indeed, I just saw some of the NRL and AFL crowds on the weekend and completely dwarfing the Socceroos crowd on Friday night, no excuses especially when the Sydney Swans drew 37K yesterday and the NRL Brisbane derby got a full house on Friday night too. Our national deserves the respect it deserves, the questions is does the public care? This is a exciting new team, its not like they are a team full of journeymen and so there plenty to forward too so the question is why? How many countries have their rival codes get bigger crowds than a national football team which competed in the world's biggest sporting event last year? I would have thought there would be more responses like yours, Barca. A recent 11th at a WC indicates this may be the best Socceroo team we've had. And, we've got a lot of new young talent emerging. Another poster labelled this Socceroo team the Achievement Generation. I tend to agree. Can't believe Sydney are pulling 37 000 for AFL, when it isn't even a major sport in NSW? Its a strange ranking but that would make it one the best *results*. But the best team? Comparing like with like ie young team, friendly, this was our team playing against a World Eleven in 1999: Bosnich, Vidmar, Tobin, Popovich Lazaridis, Corica Zelic Okon Kewell Viduka, Aloisi, Emerton on the bench We got 88,000 that night. How does that team of young players compare with what was on the park against Ecuador Watch it here: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/top-5-highest-attendances-socceroos-home-matches I've watched many games from that era. The current team would easily beat the 1999 Socceroos. They are decidedly superior tactically. They are also battle hardened, clever and resilient from playing so many competitive games together against high quality opposition. Ridiculous. How many of the current WC squad have been signed up in top top-tier leagues? Surely their 11th place finish would have had the agents lining up massive deals Please forget about the Socceroos, but you cannot compare football in 1999 to the current time. The Man City team of today would smash the 1999 Premier league champions Man U. How about Hull City in the Championship? The game has evolved right? I can totally see Dougall outplaying outsmarting Keane and Scholes in midfield. Not even a contest. No have a look at the 1956 Brazilian team, this team would struggle against every side in the WC last year, does that make Pele a worst player that every player at the WC? No, you just being silly, we are comparing styles, the game today is much more possession based than in 2006 golden generation, not saying the playing would not adapt, some would & some wouldn't. The 2006 side bar maybe 3-4 players were not renowned as a ball playing team. You're comparing 70 years with less than 20. How daft! 3-4 ball players was more than we have now. Viduka, Kewell, Bresciano, Culina, Grella, Neill all had ability on the ball. Who do we have now? Mooy, Hrustic, Souttar. The rest are turnover merchants. No wonder our possession and pass completion was so shitty compared with 2006.
Take your head out of your arse. Sorry dude you totally lost me with that comment. Maybe it's you who should take your head out of your arse & watch a Socceroos game from 2006. Even worse was the 1997 Iran game with Okon & Zelich, we hardly strung 4 passes together. Mate if this current generation players were as good as you say they would have been snapped up by top tier clubs after the WC. We have Harry Souttar and that's it. Ryan couldn't a game in Norway! N O R W A Y, FFS and he's the best keeper we have apparently. Ryan didn't get a game in Norway because he never was at a club in that country.He was in Denmark and yes didn't get much game time and was being undermined by the other goal keeper with snide remarks on social media. I keep thinking about that howler from Zelko vs Croatia in 2006 and other past exhibitions of clumsiness. I'd have Matty any day. Zeljko had a bet or two to win.
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That team had Dukes, Kewell, Okon and Zelic.
That foursome would not have appeared together in too many socceroo games I'd hazard a guess.
All the others in that team are pretty handy as well.
Seriously, for anyone to think there is a foursome amongst today's socceroos comparable to that foursome, I mean, fair dinkum man, what the hell are you smoking??
There are no modern day socceroos within coo-ee of those four.
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+xThat team had Dukes, Kewell, Okon and Zelic. That foursome would not have appeared together in too many socceroo games I'd hazard a guess. All the others in that team are pretty handy as well. Seriously, for anyone to think there is a foursome amongst today's socceroos comparable to that foursome, I mean, fair dinkum man, what the hell are you smoking?? There are no modern day socceroos within coo-ee of those four. hehe I think one said, analysis paralysis being more polite toward one poster and I agree. Stats don't read what real time attitude is in a game. BPO for eg, could be 45% in your own bloody half. I get where robbos mind is coming from but I ain't licking any of these current players boots yet at all. As mentioned many are young yet to prove more club wise let alone every NT game ahead. I also dgaf about the so called lack of competition getting into the better leagues back then compared to now, name one of our Roos who had an easy ride to the top coming from this outpost but for the exception like HK. Far out none had any cakewalk, we've been looked upon as bang average players and thugs, talk what brazillians would say, is that unexpected, as said they bag their own for they expect miracles every single half of a game - the guys today some say have it harder but they have more and more support than ever before, mental coaching might I add having to deal with knock backs, wonder how many of the previous gens had to just get back up and deal with it. Its also nothing about posters age might I add as Barca mentioned, what there is here is many people with vested interest, ex players, passionate viewers who have some idea what a good player is be it 20/30yrs ago to right bloody well now. We all support the Roos 100% I'm sure but lets get real - currently we have pups that are growing, workers no real outliers like a Cahill/HK for eg, Mooy is the old stayer with the best feet period ! I reckon good ol Goodwin has shined brilliantly pity in his old age, the rest need to lift and compete against the coming Asian Cup, lets see how they perform individually what were talking about backing up the surprising WC result. Its a pleasant change to cut the chase after years of meh and meh results and players.
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4 pages of posts trying to compare 2 different generations.
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How quaint.
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Good crowd tonight for a Tuesday night
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+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. Don't worry mate I wont waste time responding to this topic its actually tiresome to respond back these people. Its like saying society doesn't evolve or change, but I don't live in my parents basement anymore...lol A good prime example was tonight, look how strong was Ecuador with their physicality and pressing they gave our players very time on the ball and something they are not used to at this level, the game is so much different compared to 20 years ago its not even funny! People need to wake up.
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+xThat team had Dukes, Kewell, Okon and Zelic. That foursome would not have appeared together in too many socceroo games I'd hazard a guess. All the others in that team are pretty handy as well. Seriously, for anyone to think there is a foursome amongst today's socceroos comparable to that foursome, I mean, fair dinkum man, what the hell are you smoking?? There are no modern day socceroos within coo-ee of those four. All 4 were great players in that era and some of our best of all time but to say they would dominate at this level like they did in their hey day would be naive, once again football has changed alot since the 90s in all aspects and very difficult to compare. For example how would Zelic, Okon go with zonal marking and no sweeper in a modern system? Viduka would have been an excellent hold up player like Mitrovic but if you cant press in the modern game especially as a forward which is now a basic requirement you are going to struggle to play at the top level. Only Kewell would suffice simply because he had the speed and technique who would fit in this era but again its very hard to compare.
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. Don't worry mate I wont waste time responding to this topic its actually tiresome to respond back these people. Its like saying society doesn't evolve or change, but I don't live in my parents basement anymore...lol A good prime example was tonight, look how strong was Ecuador with their physicality and pressing they gave our players very time on the ball and something they are not used to at this level, the game is so much different compared to 20 years ago its not even funny! People need to wake up. Oh the arrogance! You think others who disagree with you don't have your eyes or brains to work out the game has changed? What hasn't changed is the requirement for technical ability and football intelligence. Its obvious as dogs balls that more of the players in those past teams had it than the ones we saw last night. And you can't coach or teach that, clearly because here we are 20 years later and we have the likes of Riley McGee and Jackson Irvine with touches of elephants starting and captaining. Its like watching a team of Kenny Murphys Everything else in the modern game is an evolution that can be learned if the fundamentals are there.
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+x+xThat team had Dukes, Kewell, Okon and Zelic. That foursome would not have appeared together in too many socceroo games I'd hazard a guess. All the others in that team are pretty handy as well. Seriously, for anyone to think there is a foursome amongst today's socceroos comparable to that foursome, I mean, fair dinkum man, what the hell are you smoking?? There are no modern day socceroos within coo-ee of those four. All 4 were great players in that era and some of our best of all time but to say they would dominate at this level like they did in their hey day would be naive, once again football has changed alot since the 90s in all aspects and very difficult to compare. For example how would Zelic, Okon go with zonal marking and no sweeper in a modern system? Viduka would have been an excellent hold up player like Mitrovic but if you cant press in the modern game especially as a forward which is now a basic requirement you are going to struggle to play at the top level. Only Kewell would suffice simply because he had the speed and technique who would fit in this era but again its very hard to compare. What? Those are just tactical and fitnes issues. Of course Zelic and Okon and Viduka would learn to adapt because they have the high football IQ and technical ability to do so.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. Don't worry mate I wont waste time responding to this topic its actually tiresome to respond back these people. Its like saying society doesn't evolve or change, but I don't live in my parents basement anymore...lol A good prime example was tonight, look how strong was Ecuador with their physicality and pressing they gave our players very time on the ball and something they are not used to at this level, the game is so much different compared to 20 years ago its not even funny! People need to wake up. Oh the arrogance! You think others who disagree with you don't have your eyes or brains to work out the game has changed? What hasn't changed is the requirement for technical ability and football intelligence. Its obvious as dogs balls that more of the players in those past teams had it than the ones we saw last night. And you can't coach or teach that, clearly because here we are 20 years later and we have the likes of Riley McGee and Jackson Irvine with touches of elephants starting and captaining. Its like watching a team of Kenny Murphys Everything else in the modern game is an evolution that can be learned if the fundamentals are there. Finally you have got it!!!! Australian players on the whole has always had touches of an elephant. Viduka, Kewell the exceptions, others that were very good but not world class were Bresc, Mooy, Luongo, Rogic, Okon & Zelic. This is why despite their other strong attributes why McGree & Irvine are not playing in the top leagues. Ninkovic played for Serbia against the Socceroos in 2010, his first touch was better than any player in the Aussie side, apart from Bresc, yet Ninko never played in the Top 5 leagues. Ninko is known as a touch player & hence why his longevity & ability to star in the A-League while the GG who came back to A-league did little. Socceroos in 2006 and Socceroos 2023 has all got the touch of an elephant, apart from those mentioned above. Today to get in the top 5 leagues you need better touch, the pressing is so intense, Craig Moore great defender would get smashed playing out from the back with the intense pressing. Hence why many from the GG would get in the top leagues these days, especially with so much competition from around the world. Love the GG team, but they were never ever known as fluid passing team with great touches.
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+x+x+xThat team had Dukes, Kewell, Okon and Zelic. That foursome would not have appeared together in too many socceroo games I'd hazard a guess. All the others in that team are pretty handy as well. Seriously, for anyone to think there is a foursome amongst today's socceroos comparable to that foursome, I mean, fair dinkum man, what the hell are you smoking?? There are no modern day socceroos within coo-ee of those four. All 4 were great players in that era and some of our best of all time but to say they would dominate at this level like they did in their hey day would be naive, once again football has changed alot since the 90s in all aspects and very difficult to compare. For example how would Zelic, Okon go with zonal marking and no sweeper in a modern system? Viduka would have been an excellent hold up player like Mitrovic but if you cant press in the modern game especially as a forward which is now a basic requirement you are going to struggle to play at the top level. Only Kewell would suffice simply because he had the speed and technique who would fit in this era but again its very hard to compare. What? Those are just tactical and fitnes issues. Of course Zelic and Okon and Viduka would learn to adapt because they have the high football IQ and technical ability to do so. Okon & Zelic were highly gifted technical players, but they hardly played for Socceroos, they didn't gel with each other (so was useless together in the Aussie team) & both had injuries & other issues that stopped them from being in the Viduka & Kewell class. Okon was outstanding in Belgium for 3-4 years, but never really clicked after that, playing in Italy & England, while an idol in his club in Belgium, I doubt most fans Lazio, Florentino, Middlesbrough & Leeds would remember him playing for them. Zelic likewise was outstanding for Dortmund for a couple of years, the year Dortmund won the league, he played 4 games. After that, it was not exactly the outstanding career most expected from this once in generation player.
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+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too.
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+x+x+x+x+xThere is too many of you old heads that should stop comparing from the past, remember we didnt qualify for a single World Cup until 2006 from 1974 with the GG era too. This group might not be as talented as the GG team but as a team they were excellent at the World Cup and statically finished as the best ever Socceroos team to compete at the World Cup and pushed the world champions until the last kick, that's pretty good to me! And im not the biggest Arnie fan either but I give him massive credit for creating this team which did an incredible job with what was on paper too. So get behind this team and this new generation of exciting players because this is plenty to look forward too! Thank you very much for this comment. I'm one of these old heads but see reality, so many failed campaigns until 2006 (with 1998 one most hurtful). I loved the ride with Guus in 06. Yes in 2010 while we got smashed by Germany (so did Argentina with Messi) we took it to Ghana with 10 players & beat Serbia. In 2014, with possibly our worst side due to GG holding the national team to ransom & Ange taking over with a bunch of young kids, we took it to both Holland & Chile, but lost to Spain (even with our Greatest 11, we would not have beaten Spain in that match). 2018, a very pragmatic approach scared France, pushed Denmark. Last year, well that was folklore stuff, we won 2 games & took the world champions to the last kick of the game, this was without doubt our greatest WC performance, lots of people underestimate the performances of Souttar, Belich, Mooy, Leckie, Goodwin because these guys didn't play in the big leagues. No doubt the GG had better players, no one doubting that, that is why they called the GG, but I do wonder how many of them would be playing in the top leagues today. The current football played by the current Roos is alot more sophisticated and skilled than the older teams, for example look at some of the goals were scored at the World Cup which starts from the back and instead of pumping it long. We know the GG era were known for there physicality and direct style of play and of course they had some individual brilliance but the game back then was alot different to now and therefore the talent has changed too. The game is alot more faster and more tactical, pressing is a current theme which didnt exist that much during the 90s for example would the GG could handle the pressing the current players get week in week out? I recalled when Guys Hiddink was the coach of the GG back in 2006 and remember how they struggled to play out from the back especially at the start of he's reign and were known for playing long balls when chasing a game as we saw in the world cup, we dont play like that anymore and to be honest im glad we dont!
The funny thing about it all is that it's not even close Barca4life, not even close, it's like watching the EPL of that day to EPL of now, it's a totally different ball game. How these people don't understand is beyond me. Don't worry mate I wont waste time responding to this topic its actually tiresome to respond back these people. Its like saying society doesn't evolve or change, but I don't live in my parents basement anymore...lol A good prime example was tonight, look how strong was Ecuador with their physicality and pressing they gave our players very time on the ball and something they are not used to at this level, the game is so much different compared to 20 years ago its not even funny! People need to wake up. An evolving trend in football is how much the South American teams have lifted their intensity in their Pressing and Squeezing during Ball Possession Opposition in the last 10 years. 10 years ago they often sat back. Argentina and Ecuador really Squeezed us in Qatar, Sydney and Melb. Peru didn't as much. Many modern teams playing in international football cede little time and space to the opposition, compared to past eras.
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+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly.
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+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. Great crowd for a Tuesday night I reckon.
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+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. Great crowd for a Tuesday night I reckon. Yeah, but probably would have got another 10k if it was a Friday or Saturday night.
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+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. That is much better than Sydney. I think that stadium only has a capacity of 30 000? It is a very good medium sized purpose-built rectangular football stadium. I feel pleased the Socceroos got the support they deserved in Melbourne after excelling in Qatar.
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+x+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. Great crowd for a Tuesday night I reckon. Yeah, but probably would have got another 10k if it was a Friday or Saturday night. They wouldn't have fitted in would they?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. Great crowd for a Tuesday night I reckon. Yeah, but probably would have got another 10k if it was a Friday or Saturday night. They wouldn't have fitted in would they? Marvel holds 50k+
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. Great crowd for a Tuesday night I reckon. Yeah, but probably would have got another 10k if it was a Friday or Saturday night. They wouldn't have fitted in would they? Marvel holds 50k+ I don’t get why we still persist with playing at marvel/Etihad, Melbourne has a world class football stadium which took decades to get built. Why in this country do we have this mentality that it’s bad to sell out matches. They can’t have expected there to be many more than 30k there. Sometimes theres a benefit to having a little bit scarcity to tickets. Gives the tickets some value. This could be seen when victory played at Olympic park, or wanderers at the old parramatta
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+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. That is much better than Sydney. I think that stadium only has a capacity of 30 000? It is a very good medium sized purpose-built rectangular football stadium. I feel pleased the Socceroos got the support they deserved in Melbourne after excelling in Qatar. much better ? 7k. As good as it is to see a better attended figure lets get this in perspective, a Friday night to a Tuesday night for starters. 2 the lead up to the first game was pathetic as all know, Melb had the boost riding off the press since Fridays game alot more people sure knew the Roos were in town reporting a 3-1 win. So Melb got a better lead up and good luck to them or if it was in Briz therefore wouldn't you expect more attending being its 50k stad. Talking the game, does anyone know when the Ecuadorians landed pre Sydney game ? Obviously they got hit between the eyes in Sydney, jet lag ? not settled in enough and out of sorts. Being last night was some 4days on they showed more than a match for us, the aggression don't bother me its either put up or get owned. They dominated resumption of the 2nd for quite sometime as we saw, 17 shots 9 on target, 5 corners overall we got 1 corner, 2 on target thankfully 1 converted. Degenek put in a bolter of a low long range shot I was impressed he kept it down, pity we couldn't clean up the crumbs would have been nice ending.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. Great crowd for a Tuesday night I reckon. Yeah, but probably would have got another 10k if it was a Friday or Saturday night. They wouldn't have fitted in would they? Marvel holds 50k+ Ta. Didn't realise? Maybe another 5 - 10 000 fans would have been better?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. Great crowd for a Tuesday night I reckon. Yeah, but probably would have got another 10k if it was a Friday or Saturday night. They wouldn't have fitted in would they? Marvel holds 50k+ I don’t get why we still persist with playing at marvel/Etihad, Melbourne has a world class football stadium which took decades to get built. Why in this country do we have this mentality that it’s bad to sell out matches. They can’t have expected there to be many more than 30k there. Sometimes theres a benefit to having a little bit scarcity to tickets. Gives the tickets some value. This could be seen when victory played at Olympic park, or wanderers at the old parramatta Exactly this. The only thing I can think of is the Storm played there the Friday night before but 4 days for the field should have been plenty.
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+x+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. That is much better than Sydney. I think that stadium only has a capacity of 30 000? It is a very good medium sized purpose-built rectangular football stadium. I feel pleased the Socceroos got the support they deserved in Melbourne after excelling in Qatar. much better ? 7k. As good as it is to see a better attended figure lets get this in perspective, a Friday night to a Tuesday night for starters. 2 the lead up to the first game was pathetic as all know, Melb had the boost riding off the press since Fridays game alot more people sure knew the Roos were in town reporting a 3-1 win. So Melb got a better lead up and good luck to them or if it was in Briz therefore wouldn't you expect more attending being its 50k stad. The Tues V Friday time slot is moot. Well done Melb for a Tues night.
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+x+x+x+xGood crowd tonight for a Tuesday night Back on topic, what was the crowd size in Melb? Could not find it anywhere last night? The atmosphere was good too. 27k Not great, but not bad for a Tuesday night friendly. That is much better than Sydney. I think that stadium only has a capacity of 30 000? It is a very good medium sized purpose-built rectangular football stadium. I feel pleased the Socceroos got the support they deserved in Melbourne after excelling in Qatar. I was thinking the rectangular stadium was now called Marvel? I've attended games the when it was Etihad or whatever. It is a big venue. Whatever the rectangular stadium is now called and holds 30 000 is better for viewing football.
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