Don't think that's what this thread is about at all mate..... 

Thats another conversation, the Aleague may not have much appeal but there are hundreds of thousands watching other football, both local and overseas, every week. 

Not the thread title but did you miss the bunch of posts just above mine?
These afl fans have been commenting on here to shit on us long before you ever showed up aha

It took the AFL 17 days to surpass the A-leagues entire season attendances for this current season.
That is frightening for football as a code in this country.

 

Bettega and Footballer do it all the time too.
They used to come into the ratings threads even when things were better than ever in our history to show how much better afl/league is

It's just so lame and boring to crow about afl/league/cricket doing better than soccer IN AUSTRALIA

Yeah, fair enough I get ya.... For what its worth I was trying to show what I think AFL get "right" and what we, as a sport, are lacking and could easily do better.

Hate to keep flogging a dead horse but if ALL of soccer in Australia was engaged and united then we would be pushing the AFL and greatly surpassing the Thugby Union/League in crowds.... 

So what you're saying is that the path of division, us vs them and finger pointing is not the way to go? But that's what we've been doing for decades.

Hahahahahahah maybe, just maybe it might work JC... 

Heres an interesting thought exercise for everyone...... (as I type this, I am imagining the pearl clutching to come ... and laughing my arse off) 

What if Western United, upon foundation in Tarneit, marketed themselves as an Indian/Sri Lankan expat team, got Indian players in as marquees, adopted an appropriate nickname and colours, had clinics in those vast soulless housing estates out in the west aimed at the 1st and 2nd generation migrants from the sub-continent who are mainly ignored by all mainstream sports in this country?

Does anyone think they would get more or less fans attending their matches than currently? What about them against Melbourne City or Victory? 

I genuinely do not think that's true.
If NPL, Amateur Leagues, Church League and A-League combined forces we would be much stronger.

There will always always always be a majority who watch Liverpool, Juve, Barca, PSG who think Australian football is a joke and we will never ever ever surpass the 2 bigger codes when it comes to attendance, revenue and tv numbers.

Both our positions are opinions and hypothetical I get it but I, of course, think I have the edge in the realist stakes aha

Shit mate, the batshit crazy lady down the road who washes here hair in a polka dot one-piece with the tap in the front yard at 6 in the morning every Sunday has the edge over me in the realist stakes.... Ahahahahahahaah

More than happy to see the marketing exercise in being so damned broad so as to be meaningless to anyyone therefore will be a popular brand die in someone else's wallet.

BTW, I wonder what their attendances would be like if they were to compete with the likes of an established club like Marconi that had this marketing suggestion at the foundation meeting of the NSL:

Maybe but they would still need a venue. WU would be doing a heck of a lot better if that stadium had actually commenced construction. If that stadium was on track and nearly complete by now (as promised), I actually think they could be doing better than MC in the attendance department. MC fans are depleting fast as a direct result of CFG. Have you ever seen a sporting club win back to back premierships (and very close to a third consecutive) and still pull sub 5k crowds. 

HAHA

It was every bit as bad and worse in Adelaide until the AFL started and broke the continunity. The kids who follows the Crows when they were formed are only just now having the first generation of new Crows supporters. Port is a little different, being among the oldest FCs in the country - however there is the discontinuity in the branding which was caused by their joining the AFL and relinquishing the Magpies name.

When AFL started in SA, 2 divergent paths started for the code. The SANFL attendances immediately halved but they were still quite strong and there was plenty of interest in it. I stood in plenty of 10,000+ crowds in the SANFL in this time and believe it or not, it was the league of choice for what you'd call your traditional English football style of supporter, complete with flares being ripped in the stands (especially for North Adelaide and Central Districts matches from my experience). North would have what you'd call "active support" end belting out the "you reds" chant as if it were a liverpool match. The SANFL support was hardened on for a century and not going away for a while yet.\

On the other path, well, it was the AFL. The excitement was palpable. Like origin every week. The SANFL (as owner manager of the Crows license and Football Park) was purposefully undercounting crowds at the initial games for reasons which are understandable when you know what the crowds were. They held their first trial game against Essendon in 1991. Not a H/A game. Not a Foster's Cup pre season game. Just getting whoever together for a trial. 45,000 seat stadium. Crowd: over 54,000. This may seem daunting, but it's just a fact that the AFL was like a bloody religion in that place. Adelaide's whole mental health depended on the Crows. The positive to this if you hate the game? That was 1991. It's now 2023 and they get.... 48,000 to a game. So good on you guys for not growing your attendance in all that time, despite the head start you had...

Story today that the AFL makes a lot of cash of getting a cut from actual betting -  not just the advertising. How utterly abhorent 

Those clubs arent paying huge stadium fees to open the gates. Thats the issue with these government owned stadiums in this country.

It costs roughly 50k per match to open the gates at AAMI Park. A crowd of 4000 isn't doing much for the bottom line, in fact they will lose money on all matches being played there.

Perth Glory in 2018/2019 were paying 75k each match to hold them at HBF Park, but they couldn't move as there isn't a viable alternative.

The league publically stated they wanted average attendance of 10k per game this season. it currently sits at 7,402 and only three clubs have achieved a 10k average. SFC, MV and WSW. The league will be praying for a sydney derby first final. 

So thats the trillion dollar question mate, how do you get them to become rusted on supporters of the A-league

who's saying just big in vic, throw in SA WA just the same as Melbon combined with your vic. These are the rogue Walking Dead States :)
Just look at the WA/SA numbers, its like the 3 Musketeers incl Vic.
Interesting the combined numbers having 2 clubs in NSW and Qld are lower attendances than 1 in each WA SA.
As mentioned your behind the game in anycase but I will say, IF you think with all the $$$$$/media gayfl has thrown into Syd market combining gayswansscg and lonelygiants< they are the other Syd brand from memory figures for a city of 5.1M is penetrating the %'s arn't impressive thankfully.
The ROI is not good, lucky the fox $$$$ supports the dent.

Agreed, but Sydney City actually have/had Star Casino as a front of shirt sponsor no?

Incentiveze the clubs to actually start operating like clubs. Separate entities that cater and listen to what their fans want and need. Give them some emotional buy in to to who they are not tell them "we are black and green and our logo stands for the rooftops of the suburban wasteland we aim to create"... See what WSW did at their foundation as an example, what the Mariners are doing up there witht ehir community engagement programs and what Adelaide Untied is pushing with their "Adelaide above everything" mantra of youth development .... thats a pretty decent start.
Also, open up the whole pyramid so you dont need to force people to make a painful choice between local and corporate... Give Manly United and Wollongong Wolves supporters a reason to stick to their clubs "for life" and rise up the pyramid like their overseas clubs do.. Let them live the fairytale.... 

Yup, Sydney Hakoah in the 80s..... except the crowds were far worse....... 

i never buy this - oh betting is so abhorrent argument - if we could get the same betting $$$, we'd get it, without blinking.

i just think the AFLs small gains into NSW and QLD just shows how hard it is to secure a decent foothold in those non-traditional markets.

and despite the flak that swans/giants may cop, they're doing a helluva lot better than the aleague, despite football being a much much stronger sport in Syd - esp W.Syd.

I’m against any gambling sponsorship but this is an actual cut from the companies. Messed up 

This deal was done many years ago. Simply the AFL formed the view that the results and whatever happenings being wagered upon was the league's intellectual property. as such, they felt entitled to demand a license fee from the bookies. On the one hand, yeah, it's not all that ethical. But on the other, why would it be any more ethical having the profits solely lying with the bookies who have no actual interest in the sports being wagered upon?

In terms of the AFLs tentacles reaching into dodgy money, I think the far more concerning issue is that of poker machines directly or indirectly funding football departments. To my mind, if the player needs to be paid out of someone's pension, this is clearly not value they are generating from kicking the ball around and shouldn't be entitled to that. That said, pokies are now engrained in Australian culture and they're just seen as okay. To me, they're despicable, but I know I'm the minority. Machines required by law to return 92% of the money you put in and programmed to manipulate vulnerable people into thinking it's giving them more back. Yuck.

it just not going to happen as far as I can see.
Newbies ? maybe a few thousand spread out over them all due to a sugar hit now and then.
Been going for 17yrs, a portion of the fish where the fish are casually interested, attending their own games below the APL or watching a friend or relo elsewhere, watching their own kids.
Due to syn pitchs etc there are many NPL games on Friday/Saturday and late Sunday arvos into the early eve.
Sure thousands are not attending BUT add the core to APL attendances things could look up but yer not gonna happen as it is right now.
The inspiration isn't there, yer Davide is right for another % they dgaf prefer watching Euro leagues.
Should ask why in Bris/Syd/Newy/CC being they are not the smothered ingrained gayfl infected like the other 3 states are crowds not better in these 2 States after all this time ?

Is it because unlike the other 3States gayfl being no1 they accept AL originally now APL as the next best way they see football sompared to pre AL whereas alot of us in the 2 other States see it differently and not blind sided by afl.



oh no doubt and long may it continue.........

Swans had the luxury (even longer) like the NRL Broncos being the 1 team in both cities gaining support (most ex pats) for a long time before a 2nd was introduced.
Giants for the $$$$'s poured in are plodding along no more or less like many APL ones, the huge diff is the marketing and Fox re crowd attendance and having a wider net (the whole west of Syd) whereas a APL Club has its restrictions.

First things first, geez those pool boys are struggling, I've seen better quality games in the NPL than Liverpool v Chelsea.

Maybe my reading, methinks, you no big fan of the AFL, maybe I'm misreading it.

I was in NZ about 10 years ago & they were playing an AFL game over there & the media marketing man for the AFL was trying to play down the affect it will have on the Rugby over in NZ, as anyone knows is like religion over there & they are happy to co-exist with other sport.
After awhile he proceeded to bag Soccer, that football (soccer) was the main threat to Rugby in NZ & that NZ should do everything possible (including going to a AFL game) to completely shut out football.

I'd be happy for the game to remain in the Southern/Western states, despite the Swans success, the lead up to the Grand Final in the Northern Beaches was next to nothing. Now you compare that to the euphoria of the WC (4AM). West Sydney despite all the money, media & marketing struggles to get foothold.

hehe - those damn blues took us further down to their level :) lol.....ce la vie it could be worse summer very important but isn't the relo contest brilliant, football as it should be.

I know where we both stand regards to egg ball, yes sooner it stay amongst the southern & western states, they can choke on it.
Either of our WC's eat them for breakfast.
Be it in NZ and here they have always worried about our game gaining better traction sadly we keep plodding along shooting ourselves on both feet and head.
WE are not going to advance/gain more traction without all football parties working together and put their necks out working to our games "strengths" and persevere - I cannot see it any other way.

I agree on the pokies 100% 

But the betting raises significant questions - not least that it's in their interest for more betting. For example much like the Republicans with NRA etc 

However, the bigger question is, if more betting will make you more money and the AFL controls it - who is to say fixtures are not concoted with betting in mind? It is a uneven comp with the fixtures based on crowds/tv and not fairness

Also all the rule changes - it is conceivable that changes could be made to the game to ensure more betting 

I agree, hate how sports betting has become a "thing" let alone the millions of lives thrown away to those stupid electronic machines.... Still getting money from advertising OR the direct "cut" of the gamble is too far removed is it... Star City wont sponsor anyone unless they can gain revenue from the advertising it brings.... one and the same in my eyes.

Ummm, just to clarify, are you talking about the AFL or the A league here? 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/what-makes-you-a-wker-in-sydney/news-story/506de440852020d588970ba070c90a49

Heheheh have a great Easter you big sook :)