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+x+xThe toughest of the groups I reckon. Uzbekistan and Syria both very tricky. Watching the draw, when it came to Pot A being drawn, I was hoping for any group other than Group B, and of course, that’s what we got. Groups all relatively even it has to be said. Did anyone take note of the round of 16 format that was flashed on screen during draw? Who is top team in Group B matched with in round of 16? Can’t find format online. Found my answer - 3rd place from Group A/C/D. Then likely 1st place from Group F in quarter final (Saudi Arabia) and 1st place from Group D in semi final (Japan). If they all top their groups and so do we, Qatar, South Korea and Iran would all be on other side of the draw. Crazy how we always seem to get Japan and Saudi, and avoid Iran and South Korea! Tricky given our track record recently against Saudi and Japan… just to make the final! Also, we would need to beat two 1st place teams to make the final (Japan and Qatar have soft draw of the top seeded countries as they’ll only need to beat one 1st place team to make final, if they top their group). Overall, in looking at this in detail, it’s about as hard a draw as we could have got. Could very well lose in quarter finals even if we top group, quite conceivably. Ty for the analysis. Feeling a bit deflated now :(
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verrelli
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Almost better to finish second in Group B! We’d potentially play Oman, then Qatar and then South Korea or Iran to make final!
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verrelli
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+x+xThe toughest of the groups I reckon. Uzbekistan and Syria both very tricky. Watching the draw, when it came to Pot A being drawn, I was hoping for any group other than Group B, and of course, that’s what we got. Groups all relatively even it has to be said. Did anyone take note of the round of 16 format that was flashed on screen during draw? Who is top team in Group B matched with in round of 16? Can’t find format online. Yeah the next round isn't on the wiki yet. Also, if it's a 3rd placed team ( could be preferable) means we'd have to wait a while due to the different combinations advancing to next round. Yup, not yet on Wiki. I rewatched and paused the part of the draw that showed the full format so that I could look at it closely.
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johnszasz
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Winner group B plays plays 3rd from A/C/D. The winner of that plays the winner of Group F winner vs Group E runner up. Tending to a Saudi quarter then. Semi vs Japan I reckon.
Finish 2nd then it's probably Oman or Thailand then Qatar or China. We finished 2nd last time and had an easier path but blew it. That little corner where group A winner faces runners up and 3rd placed teams. How convenient for Qatar. Results could be all over the place and teams land in very unexpected places.
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johnszasz
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Group A: Qatar, China PR, Tajikistan, Lebanon
Group B: Australia, Uzbekistan, Syria, India
Group C: IR Iran, United Arab Emirates, Hong Kong, Palestine
Group D: Japan, Indonesia, Iraq, Vietnam
Group E: Korea Republic, Malaysia, Jordan, Bahrain
Group F: Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Kyrgyz Republic, Oman
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johnszasz
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv3K-F_Z1PMGrid available on 1 hours and 14 seconds in.
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Podiacide
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+xAlmost better to finish second in Group B! We’d potentially play Oman, then Qatar and then South Korea or Iran to make final! And coming 2md in group would make us less complacent, more hungrier and opponents more likely to openly âttack us from the off. Paul Williams said Syria has fallen off a bit since 2018 but Uzbeks have gotten much better and will be tough to beat. Note the Asian cup will be held in January, right in middle of A league season
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verrelli
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+xWinner group B plays 3rd Group C plays 3rd from A/C/D. The winner of that plays the winner of Group F winner vs Group E runner up. Tending to a Saudi quarter then. Semi vs Japan I reckon. Finish 2nd then it's probably Oman or Thailand then Qatar or China. We finished 2nd last time and had an easier path but blew it. That little corner where group A winner faces runners up and 3rd placed teams. How convenient for Qatar. Results could be all over the place and teams land in very unexpected places. Yup, precisely. Draw basically gives Qatar free passage to the semis! Dodgy as!
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johnszasz
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A quick glance, the grid hasn't changed since the last time. We were 2nd in group B and Uzbekistan 2nd group F and UAE won group A
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johnszasz
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Finishing 3rd would mean Japan or Iran straight up you'd think. Still, something is going to be different than expected. https://ultra.zone/2022-FIFA-World-Cup-qualification-AFC-Third-Round#group=bSimulator should be up within days.
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johnszasz
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I reckon Lebanon, Syria, Vietnam and Jordan will be the 3rds. Indonesia and Malaysia could push back though. Can see Thailand, Kyrgyzstan and Oman drawing across with each other giving the 3rd spot a lower chance.
We play India, Syria, Uzbekistan in that order.
Compare to 2019. Seemingly a better mix of East, West and Central Asia per group.
Ins: Malaysia, Tajikistan, Hong Kong, Indonesia
Outs: Yemen, Turkmenistan, North Korea, Philippines
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johnszasz
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Ugh. Hadn't entirely occurred to me. Saudi Arabia hosting 2027.
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+xUgh. Hadn't entirely occurred to me. Saudi Arabia hosting 2027. Fuck sake. I'm sick of the Middle East hoarding all the events. Why can't we have one in South Korea, Japan etc - countries that actually have history and are great to visit
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johnszasz
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All 3 group games are at the same time of 14:30 local which is 22:30 AEST I believe.
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Bowden
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+xAll 3 group games are at the same time of 14:30 local which is 22:30 AEST I believe. Decent enough time for us. Happy with that.
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Group D is the group of death, I reckon Vietnam can get through.
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Uzbekistan are current U20 AFC champions (March 2023), and were finalists in the AFC U23 Asian Cup last year, beating Japan in the semis 2-0. Their FA must be doing something right. Should be a good test for us and the bonus is that even if we lose but finish 2nd, we will likely avoid Japan's side of the draw. Jan-Feb 2024 is not a FIFA International window so the big unknown is how many key players will not be released by European clubs. Korea, Australia and especially Japan would be most affected if clubs play hardball, but the Japanese have way more depth than KOR and AUS to cover for missing stars and should still be favourites to win the tournament.
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Bowden
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That's a great point, Olderroo.
I wonder which players we may struggle to get released?
Of biggest concern would probably be:
- AZ w/ Maty
- Leicester w/ Souttar
- Middlesbrough w/ McGree
- Hearts w/ Rowles, Devlin & Atkinson
- Dundee Utd w/ Behich
Not to mention the new European clubs that will soon be signing Bos, Tilio, O'Neill & Garang might not be too keen either.
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+xUzbekistan are current U20 AFC champions (March 2023), and were finalists in the AFC U23 Asian Cup last year, beating Japan in the semis 2-0. Their FA must be doing something right. Should be a good test for us and the bonus is that even if we lose but finish 2nd, we will likely avoid Japan's side of the draw. Jan-Feb 2024 is not a FIFA International window so the big unknown is how many key players will not be released by European clubs. Korea, Australia and especially Japan would be most affected if clubs play hardball, but the Japanese have way more depth than KOR and AUS to cover for missing stars and should still be favourites to win the tournament. Player will be released - no different to previous Asian Cups and African Cups. European leagues will continue so those on the fringes will fall down the pecking order while they are away.
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ICYMI, our #AsianCup2023 group stage fixtures have been locked in... and they're taking place at three familiar venues!
Australia v India
Date: Saturday, 13 January 2024
Venue: Ahmad bin Ali Stadium, Al Rayyan
Kick-off: 2:30pm local, 10:30pm (AEDT)
Syria v Australia
Date: Thursday, 18 January 2024
Venue: Jassim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha
Kick-off: 2:30pm local, 10:30pm (AEDT)
Australia v Uzbekistan
Date: Tuesday, 23 January 2024
Venue: Abdullah bin Khalifa Stadium, Doha
Kick-off: 2:30pm local, 10:30pm (AEDT)
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Podiacide
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+xThat's a great point, Olderroo. I wonder which players we may struggle to get released? Of biggest concern would probably be: - AZ w/ Maty - Leicester w/ Souttar - Middlesbrough w/ McGree - Hearts w/ Rowles, Devlin & Atkinson - Dundee Utd w/ Behich Not to mention the new European clubs that will soon be signing Bos, Tilio, O'Neill & Garang might not be too keen either. And the u/23 Asian cup is supposed to be played around the same time (but not crossing over) so that could be 2 months missed for Bos, McGree, O'neill and Garang etc. Will the A league have a pause just like they did for World cup?
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+xUzbekistan are current U20 AFC champions (March 2023), and were finalists in the AFC U23 Asian Cup last year, beating Japan in the semis 2-0. Their FA must be doing something right. Should be a good test for us and the bonus is that even if we lose but finish 2nd, we will likely avoid Japan's side of the draw. Jan-Feb 2024 is not a FIFA International window so the big unknown is how many key players will not be released by European clubs. Korea, Australia and especially Japan would be most affected if clubs play hardball, but the Japanese have way more depth than KOR and AUS to cover for missing stars and should still be favourites to win the tournament. While not a FIFA window it is an official FIFA competition and the clubs are obliged to release the players from 8th January. I suspect there will be a bit of give and take involved but I would expect Maty, Souttar, McGree, Rowles, Atkinson would be there.
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Bowden
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+x+xUzbekistan are current U20 AFC champions (March 2023), and were finalists in the AFC U23 Asian Cup last year, beating Japan in the semis 2-0. Their FA must be doing something right. Should be a good test for us and the bonus is that even if we lose but finish 2nd, we will likely avoid Japan's side of the draw. Jan-Feb 2024 is not a FIFA International window so the big unknown is how many key players will not be released by European clubs. Korea, Australia and especially Japan would be most affected if clubs play hardball, but the Japanese have way more depth than KOR and AUS to cover for missing stars and should still be favourites to win the tournament. While not a FIFA window it is an official FIFA competition and the clubs are obliged to release the players from 8th January. Source?
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+x+x+xUzbekistan are current U20 AFC champions (March 2023), and were finalists in the AFC U23 Asian Cup last year, beating Japan in the semis 2-0. Their FA must be doing something right. Should be a good test for us and the bonus is that even if we lose but finish 2nd, we will likely avoid Japan's side of the draw. Jan-Feb 2024 is not a FIFA International window so the big unknown is how many key players will not be released by European clubs. Korea, Australia and especially Japan would be most affected if clubs play hardball, but the Japanese have way more depth than KOR and AUS to cover for missing stars and should still be favourites to win the tournament. While not a FIFA window it is an official FIFA competition and the clubs are obliged to release the players from 8th January. Source? None really except watching the EPL and hearing that they are obliged to do it for the African Cup of Nations. http://www.theplayersagent.com/uploads/knowledgecenter/article/20/attachments/5034bbbca8b81.pdff) Final competitions In accordance with Article 36 Paragraphs 2b) and 5c), if a player is called up, he must be released to play in the final competition organised by FIFA or a confederation and held in a period fixed /set in the calendar. In this event, the period of release shall be 14 days.
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Bowden
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+x+x+x+xUzbekistan are current U20 AFC champions (March 2023), and were finalists in the AFC U23 Asian Cup last year, beating Japan in the semis 2-0. Their FA must be doing something right. Should be a good test for us and the bonus is that even if we lose but finish 2nd, we will likely avoid Japan's side of the draw. Jan-Feb 2024 is not a FIFA International window so the big unknown is how many key players will not be released by European clubs. Korea, Australia and especially Japan would be most affected if clubs play hardball, but the Japanese have way more depth than KOR and AUS to cover for missing stars and should still be favourites to win the tournament. While not a FIFA window it is an official FIFA competition and the clubs are obliged to release the players from 8th January. Source? None really except watching the EPL and hearing that they are obliged to do it for the African Cup of Nations. http://www.theplayersagent.com/uploads/knowledgecenter/article/20/attachments/5034bbbca8b81.pdff) Final competitions In accordance with Article 36 Paragraphs 2b) and 5c), if a player is called up, he must be released to play in the final competition organised by FIFA or a confederation and held in a period fixed /set in the calendar. In this event, the period of release shall be 14 days. Oh wow, that would be amazing!
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+x+x+x+x+xUzbekistan are current U20 AFC champions (March 2023), and were finalists in the AFC U23 Asian Cup last year, beating Japan in the semis 2-0. Their FA must be doing something right. Should be a good test for us and the bonus is that even if we lose but finish 2nd, we will likely avoid Japan's side of the draw. Jan-Feb 2024 is not a FIFA International window so the big unknown is how many key players will not be released by European clubs. Korea, Australia and especially Japan would be most affected if clubs play hardball, but the Japanese have way more depth than KOR and AUS to cover for missing stars and should still be favourites to win the tournament. While not a FIFA window it is an official FIFA competition and the clubs are obliged to release the players from 8th January. Source? None really except watching the EPL and hearing that they are obliged to do it for the African Cup of Nations. http://www.theplayersagent.com/uploads/knowledgecenter/article/20/attachments/5034bbbca8b81.pdff) Final competitions In accordance with Article 36 Paragraphs 2b) and 5c), if a player is called up, he must be released to play in the final competition organised by FIFA or a confederation and held in a period fixed /set in the calendar. In this event, the period of release shall be 14 days. Oh wow, that would be amazing! Yeah Adam Peacock mentioned this in his interview with Arnold in CODE. Also I was wrong about the u/23 Asian cup. Its been moved to March 2024.
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+xICYMI, our #AsianCup2023 group stage fixtures have been locked in... and they're taking place at three familiar venues! Australia v India Date: Saturday, 13 January 2024 Venue: Ahmad bin Ali Stadium, Al Rayyan Kick-off: 2:30pm local, 10:30pm (AEDT) Syria v Australia Date: Thursday, 18 January 2024 Venue: Jassim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha Kick-off: 2:30pm local, 10:30pm (AEDT) Australia v Uzbekistan Date: Tuesday, 23 January 2024 Venue: Abdullah bin Khalifa Stadium, Doha Kick-off: 2:30pm local, 10:30pm (AEDT) Thanks.
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+xThat's a great point, Olderroo. I wonder which players we may struggle to get released? Of biggest concern would probably be: - AZ w/ Maty - Leicester w/ Souttar - Middlesbrough w/ McGree - Hearts w/ Rowles, Devlin & Atkinson - Dundee Utd w/ Behich Not to mention the new European clubs that will soon be signing Bos, Tilio, O'Neill & Garang might not be too keen either. It's on FIFA calendar the clubs will have to release just like Liverpool had to release Mo Sarah & Mane last African nation cup.
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+xGroup D is the group of death, I reckon Vietnam can get through. Group of death? Vietnam is much much weaker now without Park Hang SEO as their coach. Japan & Iraq should be too strong for vietnam & Indonesia.
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