In our churches, it is virtually 100% voting NO.

This video explains how to look past the propaganda-speak, and look to the basic core principles why some Christians will be voting NO.

In our churches, it is virtually 100% voting NO.



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The video is entitled, "A compelling Argument for the NO VOTE, and how the Government is attempting to deceive the Australian People by wording the.."

So rather than federal and state funded health and social housing programs targeted at rectifying the imbalance of some of these "outcomes"  you support an ambiguous "voice" to parliament for a very small minority of population, whose purpose is to represent Australian citizens who are somehow different than other Australia citizens because of their race? Or is it their colour, or maybe religion?

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The gap between Indigenous  folk and others in Aus are profound in education, health, housing and incarceration.

The Voice is a mechanism to close the gap. It is not for non-Indigenous Aussies to  find solutions and hand them down, but a  grass roots First Nations paradigm that Aboriginals have conceived and developing from Indigenous stakeholders on the ground.

Even though the Noalition has argued the Voice is nebulous and not specific, they use the same tactics the conservatives have over any past plebiscite or referendum.

Once The Voice is enshrined in the Constitution, the shape of it can evolve from there. It is simply an advisory body.

I was reading in the New Daily yesterday the No campaign has employed an American  company who have campaigned a lot for Trump, whose name I can't remember, to  devise strategies for  the No campaign.

In terms of being a progressive society, many of my Indigenous  comrades I've met through the Yes 23 Campaign,  claim they suffer inadvertent racism all the time - still. There is also supposedly a differential depending on which part of Australia one lives in terms of latent and blatant  racism.

The fact that you intend do vote No augurs poorly for the Yes campaign succeeding.  Given your previous posts over the years, I would have predicted you would vote Yes.

 It shows that the Trumpian  company's tactics  is indoctrinating Aussies successfully.

My main hope is on the doors, and the Pre- Poll booths, in the last 3 weeks until October 14th. There will be a plethora of Yes volunteers on Pre - Poll booths  for the early voters and voters on the day booths. Many won't  take up their mind until walking into the booths. Yes 23 has decidedly more volunteers than the likes of Advance Australia and the Noalition.  We will have more volunteers trying gto preside voters to vote Yes on the booths.

More and more Liberal MPs are supporting Yes. 

Many volunteers won't door knock, which has a  significant  impact. I've persuaded heaps of vacillating voters  to vote Yes knocking doors.

  It isn't 'white do-gooders' who've conceived The Voice. Many of us are supporting, and acting on, what over 80% of First Nations want. The First Nations conceived The Voice at the Uluru Statement of the Heart. 

 

Many volunteers won't door knock, which has a  significant  impact. I've persuaded heaps of vacillating voters  to vote Yes knocking doors.

Can Muz have a crack?

Vote however you want but the disappointing aspect of the first referendum to be held in the social media age is the plethora of debunked misinformation that's getting spewed out. Particularly by the usual suspects. Looking at you one nation and sky news.

Argue long and hard but argue the facts. 

It's all reminiscent of the Mabo campaign for those that remember. The Aboriginals were all going to claim our backyards if Mabo got up. It was going to be the end of times. It was garbage then and it's garbage now.

5 minutes on Facebook or Twitter and you can see debunked claim after debunked claim. It really almost should be illegal.

Again I'm not saying ban free speech. I am saying have the argument based on facts. Once something has been debunked then it needs to be set aside.

Debunked by who I hear Rusty ask.

Why is it so hard?

Or more likely they've said they'll vote yes to get you off their doorstep.

But kudos to you for being politically active 'comrade'.

We need more actively involved people in our democracy.

The gap between Indigenous  folk and others in Aus are profound in education, health, housing and incarceration.

The Voice is a mechanism to close the gap. It is not for non-Indigenous Aussies to  find solutions and hand them down, but a  grass roots First Nations paradigm that Aboriginals have conceived and developing from Indigenous stakeholders on the ground.

No surprises of the freak shows at the no rally. 
Nazis 

I did laugh at the pictures of the 'No' campaigners. You forgot 'no 15 minute cities' but yeah a real cornucopia of nutjobs there.

The usual suspects in abundance. Imagine if you were a 'no' campaigner in good faith and had to mix and talk with those fuckwits.

No surprises of the freak shows at the no rally. 
Nazis 

Also the climate hoax gang were there.

tbh if you are white, I can’t see why you’d be actively campaigning for ‘No’ - besides the obvious reason. 

In fairness mate, some of the wobble board, tin rattlers in the "yes" camp aren't exactly the sort of people I wold want to be in the same room, let alone have a conversation, with. 

In fairness mate, some of the wobble board, tin rattlers in the "yes" camp aren't exactly the sort of people I wold want to be in the same room, let alone have a conversation, with. 

Indeed Muz, argue the facts... Sorry I dont want to come across as having ANY affiliation with the NO or the YES campaign.. my "beef' Is with the lack of clarity in the messaging of both and what in essence is being debated here.... . 

Simple fact I would like cleared up for me. By both sides of the argument if possible.

Is this referendum we are voting on a voice to parliament for  ALL Australians or just ones of Aboriginal ancestry? If so how can a modern Australian who does NOT have any indigenous roots NOT feel racially excluded by virtue of NOT having their own direct  "voice" (based on whatever minority, religious, ethnic or sexual grouping they so choose to identify with).. Yes yes I know the argument that we do already as part of the normal parliamentary process but so do indigenous Australians.....  don't they? Positive racial division is STILL racial vilification, no matter how much it "feels good" to be doing something to right the wrongs of the "bad old days"... .... 

Yeah the hair shirt mob are annoying too but in general they're not 5G annoying.

You could play conspiracy bingo with 20 buzzwords on a card and you'd tick them off in 5 minutes flat at any No rally.

I usually like in the comments on Facebook that are along the lines of 'have you had your 8th booster yet?' And then something about the gub'ment', Agenda 21, Moderna and Bill Gates.

I actually think we probably reached peak average intelligence about 10 to 20 years after the internet became popular. And then vested interests realised you could say anything to anybody with no restrictions at all with predictable consequences.

The rise in flat earth beliefs as an example is just baffling. The movie Idiocracy is becoming more like a documentary every day.
 
I'm on the local weather watch page in my town. Every other day some fucking clown is on there talking about chemtrails and weather engineering and how the gub'ment makes it rain whenever you want. When you ask them why we still have droughts that the government then has to pay out billions in supports it's just crickets or a link to a cloud seeding page somewhere as if that means 'case closed'.

And it's not 1 or 2 either, there's dozens of the stupid pricks.

The only thing I'd say to that is they were here first and were dispossessed (along with everything else that happened to them) and that is different to everyone else that was sent or chose to come here. I feel like some sort of recognition is deserved. I guess the argument is what does that 'recognition' involve?

And then he we are.

I'm all for helping the black fellas out. I know a lot of people are why should they get free education, free uni, free courses, grants for this grants for that.

For sure it's unfair. Why are they special?

But I guess I'd rather have a black fella getting a degree and a job and paying taxes for the next 50 years then being a train wreck for the rest of their lives and dragging their kids and family down with them. Costing the taxpayers orders of magnitude more in welfare, healthcare, incarcerations etc etc.

An upfront investment for a long term payoff. Given an either/or I'm going for helping them out.

You can run the same arguments for prisoners. Why are we paying for them to get an education and a trade in jail instead of punishing them? But they're going to be released one day. Do we really want them walking out the door and not be productive members of society?

Will the Voice help achieve a 'levelling up'?

I tend to think something is better than nothing. Enzo and Rusty will say they already get billions and that's a fair point. I'm not in Aboriginal affairs, I have nothing to do with policy, I don't know what is happening on the ground in every part of Australia and I think anyone saying they do know is talking out of their arse. I would say that I believe (or I want to believe) most people in these areas are trying to help.

Yeah the hair shirt mob are annoying too but in general they're not 5G annoying.

You could play conspiracy bingo with 20 buzzwords on a card and you'd tick them off in 5 minutes flat at any No rally.

I usually like in the comments on Facebook that are along the lines of 'have you had your 8th booster yet?' And then something about the gub'ment', Agenda 21, Moderna and Bill Gates.

I actually think we probably reached peak average intelligence about 10 to 20 years after the internet became popular. And then vested interests realised you could say anything to anybody with no restrictions at all with predictable consequences.

The rise in flat earth beliefs as an example is just baffling. The movie Idiocracy is becoming more like a documentary every day.
 
I'm on the local weather watch page in my town. Every other day some fucking clown is on there talking about chemtrails and weather engineering and how the gub'ment makes it rain whenever you want. When you ask them why we still have droughts that the government then has to pay out billions in supports it's just crickets or a link to a cloud seeding page somewhere as if that means 'case closed'.

And it's not 1 or 2 either, there's dozens of the stupid pricks.

They are all so stupid. It’s frightening. 

Do you seriously think that generations of people before you have not had the same ideas and tried too achieve the very things you're saying?

Around $35 billion PER YEAR currently is spent on aboriginal affairs.  This is about the same as Medicare AND Private Health Rebate combined.

Is there any time when we actually take an audit of what is being achieved with that money, are the root causes being addressed, or is the solution yet again even more money?

How many 5G/ Pedo Ring/Flat Earthers would you say there are?

Fair enough. You're right. We should stop trying with money and well intentioned people and use thoughts and prayers instead.

By the way why am I not surprised you're parroting One Nation talking points?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-28/fact-check-tony-abbott-niaa-voice-parliament/102656190

https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/factlab-meta/niaa-does-not-spend-$30b-on-indigenous-programs-annually

The only thing I'd say to that is they were here first and were dispossessed (along with everything else that happened to them) and that is different to everyone else that was sent or chose to come here. I feel like some sort of recognition is deserved. I guess the argument is what does that 'recognition' involve?

And then he we are.

I'm all for helping the black fellas out. I know a lot of people are why should they get free education, free uni, free courses, grants for this grants for that.

For sure it's unfair. Why are they special?

But I guess I'd rather have a black fella getting a degree and a job and paying taxes for the next 50 years then being a train wreck for the rest of their lives and dragging their kids and family down with them. Costing the taxpayers orders of magnitude more in welfare, healthcare, incarcerations etc etc.

An upfront investment for a long term payoff. Given an either/or I'm going for helping them out.

You can run the same arguments for prisoners. Why are we paying for them to get an education and a trade in jail instead of punishing them? But they're going to be released one day. Do we really want them walking out the door and not be productive members of society?

Will the Voice help achieve a 'levelling up'?

I tend to think something is better than nothing. Enzo and Rusty will say they already get billions and that's a fair point. I'm not in Aboriginal affairs, I have nothing to do with policy, I don't know what is happening on the ground in every part of Australia and I think anyone saying they do know is talking out of their arse. I would say that I believe (or I want to believe) most people in these areas are trying to help.

Yeah the hair shirt mob are annoying too but in general they're not 5G annoying.

You could play conspiracy bingo with 20 buzzwords on a card and you'd tick them off in 5 minutes flat at any No rally.

I usually like in the comments on Facebook that are along the lines of 'have you had your 8th booster yet?' And then something about the gub'ment', Agenda 21, Moderna and Bill Gates.

I actually think we probably reached peak average intelligence about 10 to 20 years after the internet became popular. And then vested interests realised you could say anything to anybody with no restrictions at all with predictable consequences.

The rise in flat earth beliefs as an example is just baffling. The movie Idiocracy is becoming more like a documentary every day.
 
I'm on the local weather watch page in my town. Every other day some fucking clown is on there talking about chemtrails and weather engineering and how the gub'ment makes it rain whenever you want. When you ask them why we still have droughts that the government then has to pay out billions in supports it's just crickets or a link to a cloud seeding page somewhere as if that means 'case closed'.

And it's not 1 or 2 either, there's dozens of the stupid pricks.

"The only thing I'd say to that is they were here first and were dispossessed (along with everything else that happened to them) and that is different to everyone else that was sent or chose to come here. I feel like some sort of recognition is deserved. I guess the argument is what does that 'recognition' involve?"

Sorry mate, but that is plain wrong.... Speak to our wonderfully diverse Australian migrants about the reason why they "chose" to come here and you will hear many a tale of dispossession of land, theft, rape and murder...   My neighbour is a lovely Cypriot man and his wife who migrated here in 1974 after the Turkish army invaded his homeland and to this day remain as illegal occupiers of his actual house (a house that had been in his family for at least 5 generations)... that was 50 years ago.... let alone 250 years ago like British colonisation.  Or the Vietnamese bloke down the street that came here with his mum and sister on a boat in the late 70s when the Commies killed his dad and overtook Saigon and kicked them out... ...  Or our South Sudanese communities, or Lebanese in the 80s or ex Yugo countries etc etc etc etc.... fact is, the world over.... bad countries invade other countries and take whatever they want..... its not FAIR but it is human nature and history ..... To the victor go the spoils.....