There you go (lowercase) johnsmith, as requested.

Go.

Why are you raising this topic? What's your motive? Are you genuinely interested in this - or are you just aiming to make fun? What information do you want? Why do you want that information? If your answers could be answered to your satisfaction, what that cause you to change? In summary, are you seeking truth, or just picking a debate?

I am genuinely interested in how people can believe such things. Flat Earthers and Young Earth Creationists are generally, though not always, bible literalists and justify both beliefs through bible verse. It seems to me they have 'hitched their wagons' to these beliefs because to not do so would conflict with the Bible which is something they cannot abide by.

I am genuinely interested in how they can conveniently ignore whole swathes of science from multiple fields of research and multiple countries. Conveniently also ignoring many faiths, such as the catholic church, who accept evolution as fact.

It also goes towards YOUR credibility. If you believe either or both of these it gives me a further insight into what sort of person you are and how your brain works.

I understand you'd be reluctant. 

You shouldn't answer a question with a question. 

tsf, Why not?


Muz, I'll prepare a serious response for you. Give me some time.

If your response is in defence of it don't go to too much trouble. I certainly won't read vast swathes of evangelical ravings and dismissals of actual science based on bible verses.

I'm not interested in your 'evidence' or justifications. It's more than enough for you to say yes or no.

Can you forewarn me of the prejudices that you'll be bring into this discussion?

For instance, are there any issues where you will refuse to hear any reasoning, and the instant you hear it mentioned, you will shut your ears?

Just yes or no is pretty good I'd reckon. 

Yep.

Nope.

When persuading someone, there must be a proper sequence. First step first, second step second.

There is no point rushing straight to the end point.

For example, if I demanded that you vote YES on a referendum -- but I miss the in-between steps of telling you what the referendum is about, how it affects you, how it benefits you, how it will not harm you -- if I miss out the in-between steps, it faces certain FAILURE.

Therefore, there are important in-between steps.

The most important in-between step is demonstrating to you that God exists, that Jesus Christ is his Son - and that this Father God wants you to come back into relationship with him -- to love and be loved by this God -- but to come back on God's terms, not on your terms. That's the in-between steps.

After establishing that with you, then it'd just be the logical next step to talk about how this God created the world.

Hence, how does one convince two Aussie skeptics of the above?

Well this is going nowhere.

I'll just assume you are a YES to both.