Enzo Bearzot
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 4.5K,
Visits: 0
|
[Edit] reading that The Age article further, also confirms that there were huge problems with fraud prevention and detection for $1 billion dolars worth of funding.
Lucky they're NOW onto it....
Its a sick joke.
|
|
|
|
Muz
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 15K,
Visits: 0
|
+x[Edit] reading that The Age article further, also confirms that there were huge problems with fraud prevention and detection for $1 billion dolars worth of funding. Lucky they're NOW onto it.... Its a sick joke. So they conducted an 'audit'. Is that what you're saying? Like the 22 the coalition conducted when they were in power. That 22?
Member since 2008.
|
|
|
Enzo Bearzot
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 4.5K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x[Edit] reading that The Age article further, also confirms that there were huge problems with fraud prevention and detection for $1 billion dolars worth of funding. Lucky they're NOW onto it.... Its a sick joke. So they conducted an 'audit'. Is that what you're saying? Like the 22 the coalition conducted when they were in power. That 22? Time to get your hand off it-your posted "evidence" that was the opposite of what you were trying to prove. They conducted an audit on the fraud prevention system, not on whether $1 billion dolars worth of indigenous programs and policies actually worked. And they found it was completely inadequate to prevent and detect fraud. Meaning there was a lot of fraud. As for the "22 audits", are they the ones that resulted in the Minister saying no-one knew what worked and what didn't. That 22? Fraud. Curruption. No evidence of what works and what doesn't. Like I said its a scandal. Everyone wants to help ie help themsleves to $billlions of dollars of free taxpayer money achieving nothing. Only possible in the public service.
|
|
|
Muz
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 15K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x[Edit] reading that The Age article further, also confirms that there were huge problems with fraud prevention and detection for $1 billion dolars worth of funding. Lucky they're NOW onto it.... Its a sick joke. So they conducted an 'audit'. Is that what you're saying? Like the 22 the coalition conducted when they were in power. That 22? Time to get your hand off it-your posted "evidence" that was the opposite of what you were trying to prove. They conducted an audit on the fraud prevention system, not on whether $1 billion dolars worth of indigenous programs and policies actually worked. And they found it was completely inadequate to prevent and detect fraud. Meaning there was a lot of fraud. As for the "22 audits", are they the ones that resulted in the Minister saying no-one knew what worked and what didn't. That 22? Fraud. Curruption. No evidence of what works and what doesn't. Like I said its a scandal. Everyone wants to help ie help themsleves to $billlions of dollars of free taxpayer money achieving nothing. Only possible in the public service. Not once did I say there wasn't fraud. I was saying audits have occurred and do occur.(Of money that's spent and of programs.) And how do you know what every single audit of programs ever conducted over decades hasn't determined locally or nationally what works and what doesn't? Have you read them all? Do you honestly think that over the decades this has been going on no one has sat down, from either party mind you, and not said 'let's have a look at what works and what doesn't'?
Member since 2008.
|
|
|
Muz
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 15K,
Visits: 0
|
You're not looking very hard for evidence. Here's an audit. https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/indigenous-australians/indigenous-eye-health-measures-2020/summary.This is the fourth annual report on the Indigenous eye health measures. The measures cover the prevalence of eye health conditions, diagnosis and treatment services, the eye health workforce and outreach services. The report provides an evidence base for monitoring changes in Indigenous eye health over time, access to and use of eye health services, and for identifying gaps in service delivery.
Here's another. https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/indigenous-australians-health-programme
Member since 2008.
|
|
|
Muz
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 15K,
Visits: 0
|
Here's another list of programs. Your thoughts on what works and what doesn't? Everyone working in these programs have their hand in the till do they? https://www.health.gov.au/topics/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-health/related-work?sort_by=title&sort_order=ASC&page=0
Member since 2008.
|
|
|
Enzo Bearzot
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 4.5K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x[Edit] reading that The Age article further, also confirms that there were huge problems with fraud prevention and detection for $1 billion dolars worth of funding. Lucky they're NOW onto it.... Its a sick joke. So they conducted an 'audit'. Is that what you're saying? Like the 22 the coalition conducted when they were in power. That 22? Time to get your hand off it-your posted "evidence" that was the opposite of what you were trying to prove. They conducted an audit on the fraud prevention system, not on whether $1 billion dolars worth of indigenous programs and policies actually worked. And they found it was completely inadequate to prevent and detect fraud. Meaning there was a lot of fraud. As for the "22 audits", are they the ones that resulted in the Minister saying no-one knew what worked and what didn't. That 22? Fraud. Curruption. No evidence of what works and what doesn't. Like I said its a scandal. Everyone wants to help ie help themsleves to $billlions of dollars of free taxpayer money achieving nothing. Only possible in the public service. Not once did I say there wasn't fraud. I was saying audits have occurred and do occur.(Of money that's spent and of programs.) And how do you know what every single audit of programs ever conducted over decades hasn't determined locally or nationally what works and what doesn't? Have you read them all? Do you honestly think that over the decades this has been going on no one has sat down, from either party mind you, and not said 'let's have a look at what works and what doesn't'?
We're talking about which programs effectively address indigenous socio-economic disadvantage That audit you're referring to looked at if the fraud detection and prevention system worked (it didn't), not which programs worked in correcting socio-econimic disadvantage. If such audits of indigenous programs did happen, why is the Minister responsible saying we don't know what works and what doesn't? Those who benefit most from government programs are the public servants and private company's conducting them, (and the private sector is no better with their CEO's on million dollar salaries). Its not the "clients". Why do you think nothing changes for them after decades and $billions being spent?
|
|
|
Enzo Bearzot
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 4.5K,
Visits: 0
|
First link is page not found. Second link: EvaluationAllen and Clarke are evaluating the program to assess whether the way we provide primary health care is appropriate and effective.
ie they don't know if it works, what works and what doesn't.
Every link is the same: we don't know if it works yet, we're looking into it though....
|
|
|
Muz
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 15K,
Visits: 0
|
+xFirst link is page not found. Second link: EvaluationAllen and Clarke are evaluating the program to assess whether the way we provide primary health care is appropriate and effective.
ie they don't know if it works, what works and what doesn't.
Every link is the same: we don't know if it works yet, we're looking into it though....
Which is why we need your big brain to come in and sort out what billions of dollars and decades of attempts have failed to do. Here's the fixed link. (I think.) https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/indigenous-australians/indigenous-eye-health-measures-2020/And another. https://www.health.gov.au/topics/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-health/related-work
Member since 2008.
|
|
|
Muz
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 15K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x[Edit] reading that The Age article further, also confirms that there were huge problems with fraud prevention and detection for $1 billion dolars worth of funding. Lucky they're NOW onto it.... Its a sick joke. So they conducted an 'audit'. Is that what you're saying? Like the 22 the coalition conducted when they were in power. That 22? Time to get your hand off it-your posted "evidence" that was the opposite of what you were trying to prove. They conducted an audit on the fraud prevention system, not on whether $1 billion dolars worth of indigenous programs and policies actually worked. And they found it was completely inadequate to prevent and detect fraud. Meaning there was a lot of fraud. As for the "22 audits", are they the ones that resulted in the Minister saying no-one knew what worked and what didn't. That 22? Fraud. Curruption. No evidence of what works and what doesn't. Like I said its a scandal. Everyone wants to help ie help themsleves to $billlions of dollars of free taxpayer money achieving nothing. Only possible in the public service. Not once did I say there wasn't fraud. I was saying audits have occurred and do occur.(Of money that's spent and of programs.) And how do you know what every single audit of programs ever conducted over decades hasn't determined locally or nationally what works and what doesn't? Have you read them all? Do you honestly think that over the decades this has been going on no one has sat down, from either party mind you, and not said 'let's have a look at what works and what doesn't'?
We're talking about which programs effectively address indigenous socio-economic disadvantage That audit you're referring to looked at if the fraud detection and prevention system worked (it didn't), not which programs worked in correcting socio-econimic disadvantage. If such audits of indigenous programs did happen, why is the Minister responsible saying we don't know what works and what doesn't? Those who benefit most from government programs are the public servants and private company's conducting them, (and the private sector is no better with their CEO's on million dollar salaries). Its not the "clients". Why do you think nothing changes for them after decades and $billions being spent? Honestly? I think its a friggin never ending nightmare that will never be completely fixed because it's unbelievably complicated. And what works here doesn't work there. (Just like the Israel Palestinian thing. In a1000 years they'll still be fighting over there.) Do you actually think all governments enjoy tipping billions upon billions down the drain? According to you they're only doing nothing because it's this great big gravy train that no one wants to get off and no one cares about. What's in it for the government to have decades of failure and wasted billions? (Not to mention the international embarrassment of it all.) Tony Abbot was the Minister for Indigenous affairs. How did that go? Exactly what did he achieve? https://indigenousx.com.au/recounting-abbotts-contributions-to-indigenous-australians/What a guy. Like I said previously.... There are people in the field with 20 years experience that work in one part of the NT for one particular issue that don't have a clue if what they're doing would translate to Bamaga or the Pilbarra. If they don't know I've got no chance of knowing.
I don't have the time or the inclination to spend years to be across this subject. Do you?
I doubt anyone, even experts or people on the ground, know what's best carte blanche for every indigenous problem in Australia.
There's no one answer. Only local programs that succeed or fail and make incremental steps forward. If it were that easy it would have been sorted years ago.
Member since 2008.
|
|
|
Enzo Bearzot
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 4.5K,
Visits: 0
|
Accurate video summary of the gross waste of money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddo2Per9J3QWTF are corporations donating money on changing the Consitution when 60% of their shareholders don't support it?
|
|
|
Denny_White
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 20,
Visits: 0
|
I hear your concerns, and it sounds like you have strong reservations about the Voice Referendum. It's definitely a contentious issue with valid arguments on both sides.
|
|
|