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tsf - 14 Sep 2024 7:05 AM
Lupi33 - 14 Sep 2024 1:34 AM

Goi it, you haven't read it or know the intricacies of it. You need others to do the thinking for you so you can come up with a counter 

No, I'm not here to sell you anything.  That would be an exercise in futility.  I'm more interested in the justification the collective here have for this bill.  Given you weren't even aware of its existence your participation in this thread is nothing more than noise.
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Munrubenmuz - 14 Sep 2024 9:28 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 13 Sep 2024 2:36 PM

I follow a couple of medical science debunkers on Instagram. They have a hundred thousand followers or whatever but they're debunking people who have millions. It makes you sick to think, like you said, gullible adults are endangering their kids lives because some doula from Nimbin is saying don't give your kids a vitamin K shot. ( As an example. )

Who are these 'medical science debunkers' you follow?
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Lupi33 - 14 Sep 2024 10:49 AM
tsf - 14 Sep 2024 7:05 AM

No, I'm not here to sell you anything.  That would be an exercise in futility.  I'm more interested in the justification the collective here have for this bill.  Given you weren't even aware of its existence your participation in this thread is nothing more than noise.

Well, again.. the onus on what's wrong with it lies with you.
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NicCarBel - 14 Sep 2024 11:14 AM
Lupi33 - 14 Sep 2024 10:49 AM

Well, again.. the onus on what's wrong with it lies with you.

I didn't say anything was wrong with it.  Its tabled before parliament this week, therefore its news.  Its a significant bill.
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Lupi33 - 13 Sep 2024 12:40 PM
given this forum is largely inhabited by leftists, would I be correct in assuming you think this bill is a good thing?

discuss...

actually... dumb question... of course you do...

let me rephrase.. can you explain and justify to me why you think its a good thing?

Let me rephrase then, since you brought it up:

Can you explain and justify to me why you think it's a bad thing?

As you brought it up, you clearly are implying it's not a good thing. Did you bring these issues up with your MPs when you heard about the bill being tabled?
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NicCarBel - 14 Sep 2024 2:35 PM
Lupi33 - 13 Sep 2024 12:40 PM

Let me rephrase then, since you brought it up:

Can you explain and justify to me why you think it's a bad thing?

As you brought it up, you clearly are implying it's not a good thing. Did you bring these issues up with your MPs when you heard about the bill being tabled?

I brought it up because I'd like the forum to explain to me why its needed and why its a good thing, given it has been tabled by the ALP.

I'm not here to answer your questions.
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Lupi33 - 14 Sep 2024 6:04 PM
NicCarBel - 14 Sep 2024 2:35 PM

I brought it up because I'd like the forum to explain to me why its needed and why its a good thing, given it has been tabled by the ALP.

I'm not here to answer your questions.

Ok. Here's my stance.

I don't care.

What's yours?
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Lupi33 - 14 Sep 2024 6:04 PM
NicCarBel - 14 Sep 2024 2:35 PM

I brought it up because I'd like the forum to explain to me why its needed and why its a good thing, given it has been tabled by the ALP.

I'm not here to answer your questions.

Has bipartisan support.

Try again. 


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Munrubenmuz - 15 Sep 2024 4:14 AM
Lupi33 - 14 Sep 2024 6:04 PM

Has bipartisan support.

Try again. 

it was tabled by the ALP

whether it has 'bipartisan' support from ALP-lite (aka the Liberal Party) is irrelevant
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Lupi33 - 15 Sep 2024 10:26 AM
Munrubenmuz - 15 Sep 2024 4:14 AM

it was tabled by the ALP

whether it has 'bipartisan' support from ALP-lite (aka the Liberal Party) is irrelevant

So is your problem solely that it comes from the "other side"? Did your mother not teach you to use your words when you were younger?
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NicCarBel - 15 Sep 2024 1:31 PM
Lupi33 - 15 Sep 2024 10:26 AM

So is your problem solely that it comes from the "other side"? Did your mother not teach you to use your words when you were younger?

Yours clearly didn't teach you.
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Lupi33 - 15 Sep 2024 2:27 PM
NicCarBel - 15 Sep 2024 1:31 PM

Yours clearly didn't teach you.

Evidently more so than yours, so... again leads me to why you ask questions with a viewpoint on this specific issue.
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Lupi33 - 14 Sep 2024 11:32 AM
NicCarBel - 14 Sep 2024 11:14 AM

I didn't say anything was wrong with it.  Its tabled before parliament this week, therefore its news.  Its a significant bill.

However you have no opinion on it, or can't explain/understand anything about it? Ok - we have got it. 
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NicCarBel - 15 Sep 2024 1:31 PM
Lupi33 - 15 Sep 2024 10:26 AM

So is your problem solely that it comes from the "other side"? Did your mother not teach you to use your words when you were younger?

This
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He's trying really hard to troll, but appears to lack any opinion other than being disgruntled

It's hard to troll when most of the other posters here are pretty reasonable and don't see things in black and white.
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NicCarBel - 14 Sep 2024 9:45 PM
Lupi33 - 14 Sep 2024 6:04 PM

Ok. Here's my stance.

I don't care.

What's yours?

Can I join you on the fence? Haven't read it, nor know anything about it yet still. 
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Lupi33 - 13 Sep 2024 5:12 PM
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Lupi33 - 13 Sep 2024 2:16 PM

I couldn't give a shite about the US mate, they can grind themselves into the ground... The arbiter of truth is "the truth" If you want to state something that goes against undeniable scientific or legal proof as the news then you should either be forced to reveal your "proof" or be clear on the fact you are presenting an OPINION...... 

The Journalist Code of Ethics (https://www.meaa.org/meaa-media/code-of-ethics/) states that journalists should “scrutinise power” and commit themselves to “honesty, fairness, independence”, they must not “give distorting emphasis” and must have a “respect for truth”.

so "the news" is always the truth?

misinformation is only dangerous if it comes from a position of authority... no one has more authority than the mainstream media and the government...

and yet they are constant purveyors of misinformation, whether it be via traditional media channels or online... much of which has literally harmed millions of people

misinformation in the mainstream media likely incited the person to shoot the US presidential candidate

So the governemnt and "mainstream media" are lying to you... who is telling the truth? Just asking for a friend?


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Lupi33 - 13 Sep 2024 5:30 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 13 Sep 2024 2:36 PM

You do realise Facebook is used by Australians don't you?  So any censorship and/or curation of content on that platform affects what Australians see?  Even an 80 year old understands this.

Im Australian and dont use facebook... In fact I would guess most 80 year olds would be intelligent enough to realise that facebook isnt a source of information at all, just a platform for vain people to pretend to be happy with their lives...

You still havent done me the courtesy of explaining what your stance on this bill is? You asked a question, I think I gave a polite answer... now its your turn........ 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Sep 2024 9:14 AM
Lupi33 - 13 Sep 2024 5:12 PM

So the governemnt and "mainstream media" are lying to you... who is telling the truth? Just asking for a friend?


I asked you first.  Are they always telling the truth or not?  Yes or no?
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Still has not articulated what is wrong with this Bill and what section he disagrees with. Just vague general statements 
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Lupi33 - 16 Sep 2024 11:42 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Sep 2024 9:14 AM

I asked you first.  Are they always telling the truth or not?  Yes or no?

No they are NOT always telling the truth (Not exactly sure who "they" is but the answer remains)...

OK your turn...... what exactly do you disagree with about this proposed bill?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Sep 2024 2:10 PM
Lupi33 - 16 Sep 2024 11:42 AM

No they are NOT always telling the truth (Not exactly sure who "they" is but the answer remains)...

OK your turn...... what exactly do you disagree with about this proposed bill?

Well if for example I thought censorship 'keeps people safe' then my issue might be that it censors independent voices but it doesn't punish establishment media for making false claims, of which they make many and given they are bestowed a position of authority have many magnitudes greater effect on vulnerable minds.  
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Lupi33 - 16 Sep 2024 3:45 PM
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Lupi33 - 16 Sep 2024 11:42 AM

No they are NOT always telling the truth (Not exactly sure who "they" is but the answer remains)...

OK your turn...... what exactly do you disagree with about this proposed bill?

Well if for example I thought censorship 'keeps people safe' then my issue might be that it censors independent voices but it doesn't punish establishment media for making false claims, of which they make many and given they are bestowed a position of authority have many magnitudes greater effect on vulnerable minds.  

That would be a valid concern if the bill isnt intended to be broadly applied across ALL electronic media published....  AND in essence is a broadening of currently existing broadcasting legislation anyway.... The only "established" media that seems to be getting all uptight about it is the extremist nutjob type that make a living peddling shit they don't even really believe themselves to feeble minded dimwits... 
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Lupi33 - 16 Sep 2024 3:45 PM

That would be a valid concern if the bill isnt intended to be broadly applied across ALL electronic media published....  AND in essence is a broadening of currently existing broadcasting legislation anyway.... The only "established" media that seems to be getting all uptight about it is the extremist nutjob type that make a living peddling shit they don't even really believe themselves to feeble minded dimwits... 

You literally made my point for me.

Once again your poor comprehension abilities betray you.
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Lupi33 - 16 Sep 2024 10:46 PM
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Lupi33 - 16 Sep 2024 3:45 PM

That would be a valid concern if the bill isnt intended to be broadly applied across ALL electronic media published....  AND in essence is a broadening of currently existing broadcasting legislation anyway.... The only "established" media that seems to be getting all uptight about it is the extremist nutjob type that make a living peddling shit they don't even really believe themselves to feeble minded dimwits... 

You literally made my point for me.

Once again your poor comprehension abilities betray you.

You're far too mentally agile for me .... It must be hard to attempt to reasonably debate an issue when everyone else is so far beneath you? Condolences. 


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Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Sep 2024 9:30 AM
Lupi33 - 16 Sep 2024 10:46 PM

You're far too mentally agile for me .... It must be hard to attempt to reasonably debate an issue when everyone else is so far beneath you? Condolences. 


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Lupi33 - 17 Sep 2024 11:48 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Sep 2024 9:30 AM

pop another Vyvanse mate

Mate, telling you now - the legacy media has infected him with the woke mind virus. 
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tsf - 17 Sep 2024 2:39 PM
Lupi33 - 17 Sep 2024 11:48 AM

Mate, telling you now - the legacy media has infected him with the woke mind virus. 

Go argue it with Rita.  I'm not interested in 'culture wars'.
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Lupi33 - 17 Sep 2024 3:06 PM
tsf - 17 Sep 2024 2:39 PM

Go argue it with Rita.  I'm not interested in 'culture wars'.

Trump 2024 baby! 
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tsf - 17 Sep 2024 3:24 PM
Lupi33 - 17 Sep 2024 3:06 PM

Trump 2024 baby! 

If you want to get in the ring with Trump supporters there are plenty of forums available.  I suspect you lack the courage to take them on though.

As I've said before, my position on Trump is lesser of two evils, but I have problems with some of this foreign policies, and warp speed,  so I'm not the person to debate.
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