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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no? Most go straight back down again. And???? You posted previously that: "I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down." So are you saying that when Rangers were trying to claw their way back up to the top league after their "troubles" if the SPFL decide to do away with promotion and relegation in 2015 lets say, the blue half of Glasgow wouldn't be bothered? That they would say "oh aye wee laddies, its for the good of fittbah, we'll all just go watch Thistle now," C'mon mate..... at least argue something you plausibly believe to be true.... We are talking the here and now, not hypothetically what may have happened in 2014 or 15. Stop trying to look for angles to base your hatred on for the APL. Your Scottish dialect is worse than your attempts at humour. So in other words there would be a farkin riot?? Yeah? Fuck the APL and Fuck the fake plastic franchise system that you wouldn't dream of accepting in your precious homeland .... And LFC thinks I am an angry man . Look, you stick to your semi pro and poorly supported wee club with its social club and BBQ’s , and I will stick to my rather bigger club, ok ? ( in either country ) wait what? You're a man?
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has the idea of an NSW and VIC only NPL/2nd Div ever been floated?
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The whole semi pro wage system is out of whack, how can a semi pro be earning 100k in the same league where private school knock out rugby union had a bigger crowd than the league's grand final in Parramatta.
How rich are some of Australia's semi pro clubs if they aren't forking out a stupid ton to match the market? Sounds like the big suits are aware of this and no wonder we barely get any funding.
There is a gap there, credit to AAFC or whoever it is for trying to fix it but ultimately no one cares other than the inital trend boost of it being flashy and new.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no? Most go straight back down again. And???? You posted previously that: "I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down." So are you saying that when Rangers were trying to claw their way back up to the top league after their "troubles" if the SPFL decide to do away with promotion and relegation in 2015 lets say, the blue half of Glasgow wouldn't be bothered? That they would say "oh aye wee laddies, its for the good of fittbah, we'll all just go watch Thistle now," C'mon mate..... at least argue something you plausibly believe to be true.... We are talking the here and now, not hypothetically what may have happened in 2014 or 15. Stop trying to look for angles to base your hatred on for the APL. Your Scottish dialect is worse than your attempts at humour. So in other words there would be a farkin riot?? Yeah? Fuck the APL and Fuck the fake plastic franchise system that you wouldn't dream of accepting in your precious homeland .... And LFC thinks I am an angry man . Look, you stick to your semi pro and poorly supported wee club with its social club and BBQ’s , and I will stick to my rather bigger club, ok ? ( in either country )
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no? Most go straight back down again. And???? You posted previously that: "I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down." So are you saying that when Rangers were trying to claw their way back up to the top league after their "troubles" if the SPFL decide to do away with promotion and relegation in 2015 lets say, the blue half of Glasgow wouldn't be bothered? That they would say "oh aye wee laddies, its for the good of fittbah, we'll all just go watch Thistle now," C'mon mate..... at least argue something you plausibly believe to be true.... I laughed waaaaaaaay more than I needed to at this
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo Show me on a league table or UEFA competition, this Sevco FC you spout about. Try and be original and stop copying dirty, filthy fenian bastards. Anyhow, how did your small club fare in said competition? My "small" club did remarkably better than the hundreds of thousands of other clubs all around the globe who could never even dream of competing in such a tournament. That is because they had to qualify against proper teams and not pub teams like you did. like Eastern FC from Hong Kong maybe? You are off topic again. Different competition altogether. Point is you play the clubs in front of you.... Who did Sydney play in the 2005 club world cup, some Costa Rican team? Your just not landing any punches Jocko, let it go.... ... It is not a game FFS.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no? Most go straight back down again. And???? You posted previously that: "I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down." So are you saying that when Rangers were trying to claw their way back up to the top league after their "troubles" if the SPFL decide to do away with promotion and relegation in 2015 lets say, the blue half of Glasgow wouldn't be bothered? That they would say "oh aye wee laddies, its for the good of fittbah, we'll all just go watch Thistle now," C'mon mate..... at least argue something you plausibly believe to be true.... We are talking the here and now, not hypothetically what may have happened in 2014 or 15. Stop trying to look for angles to base your hatred on for the APL. Your Scottish dialect is worse than your attempts at humour. So in other words there would be a farkin riot?? Yeah? Fuck the APL and Fuck the fake plastic franchise system that you wouldn't dream of accepting in your precious homeland .... No, no,no, no riots. Celtic NEED Rangers and Rangers NEED Celtic, whether any of us would agree or not, it is the truth.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no? Most go straight back down again. And???? You posted previously that: "I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down." So are you saying that when Rangers were trying to claw their way back up to the top league after their "troubles" if the SPFL decide to do away with promotion and relegation in 2015 lets say, the blue half of Glasgow wouldn't be bothered? That they would say "oh aye wee laddies, its for the good of fittbah, we'll all just go watch Thistle now," C'mon mate..... at least argue something you plausibly believe to be true.... We are talking the here and now, not hypothetically what may have happened in 2014 or 15. Stop trying to look for angles to base your hatred on for the APL. Your Scottish dialect is worse than your attempts at humour. So in other words there would be a farkin riot?? Yeah? Fuck the APL and Fuck the fake plastic franchise system that you wouldn't dream of accepting in your precious homeland ....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo Show me on a league table or UEFA competition, this Sevco FC you spout about. Try and be original and stop copying dirty, filthy fenian bastards. Anyhow, how did your small club fare in said competition? My "small" club did remarkably better than the hundreds of thousands of other clubs all around the globe who could never even dream of competing in such a tournament. That is because they had to qualify against proper teams and not pub teams like you did. like Eastern FC from Hong Kong maybe? You are off topic again. Different competition altogether. Point is you play the clubs in front of you.... Who did Sydney play in the 2005 club world cup, some Costa Rican team? Your just not landing any punches Jocko, let it go.... ...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no? Most go straight back down again. And???? You posted previously that: "I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down." So are you saying that when Rangers were trying to claw their way back up to the top league after their "troubles" if the SPFL decide to do away with promotion and relegation in 2015 lets say, the blue half of Glasgow wouldn't be bothered? That they would say "oh aye wee laddies, its for the good of fittbah, we'll all just go watch Thistle now," C'mon mate..... at least argue something you plausibly believe to be true.... We are talking the here and now, not hypothetically what may have happened in 2014 or 15. BTW, it would never be allowed to happen. Believe me ! Stop trying to look for angles to base your hatred on for the APL. Your Scottish dialect is worse than your attempts at humour. FWIW, i give no fucks for any other clubs in Scotland or Australia, apart from the two i support.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no? Most go straight back down again. And???? You posted previously that: "I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down." So are you saying that when Rangers were trying to claw their way back up to the top league after their "troubles" if the SPFL decide to do away with promotion and relegation in 2015 lets say, the blue half of Glasgow wouldn't be bothered? That they would say "oh aye wee laddies, its for the good of fittbah, we'll all just go watch Thistle now," C'mon mate..... at least argue something you plausibly believe to be true....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo Show me on a league table or UEFA competition, this Sevco FC you spout about. Try and be original and stop copying dirty, filthy fenian bastards. Anyhow, how did your small club fare in said competition? My "small" club did remarkably better than the hundreds of thousands of other clubs all around the globe who could never even dream of competing in such a tournament. That is because they had to qualify against proper teams and not pub teams like you did. like Eastern FC from Hong Kong maybe? You are off topic again. Different competition altogether.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no? Most go straight back down again.
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+x+x+xUEFA and FIFA have always been more invested in themselves than in the game. They don't care about player welfare or anything about the good of the game. It is purely about their back pocket. Unfortunately, fans will keep watching and supporting, so there is no need for them to stop. Leagues and clubs also don't take up any stance, and neither do the players, so why bother. In saying that, just because shit is fucked elsewhere, does not mean we need to accept the shit that is fucked up here. Football fans in Europe were immediately up in arms against the proposed Super League though zimbos.... as were the clubs (cynically after they witnessed the backlash). Its only here and in the US where a closed off super league can actually exist... and actually be supported, un-ironically, but the very same "fans" of European football culture. Yes they were, and that was a prime example of what happens when fans take back their power. What have fans done since? There are always protests and uproar about different things at clubs but we don't actually do what we are capable of. There's talk of the issues with player welfare in the new schedules, but what have fans done about it? We talk about how clubs rip of fans, yet we will always be lining up to buy the new kits and pay the silly prices to go to games. Fans are responsible for things like the super league. We demand more, so they pay stupid fees for players, which results in fans being charged more or clubs having to think of things like the super league. FIFA and UEFA have continued to do things and what have the fans done about it? What are fans doing about the expanded European competitions? Why are fans not in uproar about 3 different european comps that are taking a massive toll on the climate? Why are we not refusing to pay the stupid fees club charge for tickets, or what they charge for kits? Why do we not kick up as much of a fuss about FIFA giving World Cups to countries that don't deserve it. All that uproar about Qatar's human rights records, but what have fans done about it? Absolutely NOTHING I agree...
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+x+xUEFA and FIFA have always been more invested in themselves than in the game. They don't care about player welfare or anything about the good of the game. It is purely about their back pocket. Unfortunately, fans will keep watching and supporting, so there is no need for them to stop. Leagues and clubs also don't take up any stance, and neither do the players, so why bother. In saying that, just because shit is fucked elsewhere, does not mean we need to accept the shit that is fucked up here. Football fans in Europe were immediately up in arms against the proposed Super League though zimbos.... as were the clubs (cynically after they witnessed the backlash). Its only here and in the US where a closed off super league can actually exist... and actually be supported, un-ironically, but the very same "fans" of European football culture. Yes they were, and that was a prime example of what happens when fans take back their power. What have fans done since? There are always protests and uproar about different things at clubs but we don't actually do what we are capable of. There's talk of the issues with player welfare in the new schedules, but what have fans done about it? We talk about how clubs rip of fans, yet we will always be lining up to buy the new kits and pay the silly prices to go to games. Fans are responsible for things like the super league. We demand more, so they pay stupid fees for players, which results in fans being charged more or clubs having to think of things like the super league. FIFA and UEFA have continued to do things and what have the fans done about it? What are fans doing about the expanded European competitions? Why are fans not in uproar about 3 different european comps that are taking a massive toll on the climate? Why are we not refusing to pay the stupid fees club charge for tickets, or what they charge for kits? Why do we not kick up as much of a fuss about FIFA giving World Cups to countries that don't deserve it. All that uproar about Qatar's human rights records, but what have fans done about it?
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+xBarcelona lost to Monaco but unless they finished lower then 24th (wtf) they are still in the competition like I said If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it
and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout.
Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further
What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League Berlusconi cracked the shits when his pride and joy got knocked out one year, now it's all about making sure they don't
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Barcelona lost to Monaco but unless they finished lower then 24th (wtf) they are still in the competition
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo I think you will find that Sydney FC competed in 2005 World club Championship in which San Paulo beat Liverpool in the final 1-0. Never said otherwise.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo I think you will find that Sydney FC competed in 2005 World club Championship in which San Paulo beat Liverpool in the final 1-0.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo Show me on a league table or UEFA competition, this Sevco FC you spout about. Try and be original and stop copying dirty, filthy fenian bastards. Anyhow, how did your small club fare in said competition? My "small" club did remarkably better than the hundreds of thousands of other clubs all around the globe who could never even dream of competing in such a tournament. That is because they had to qualify against proper teams and not pub teams like you did. like Eastern FC from Hong Kong maybe?
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+x+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down. Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo Show me on a league table or UEFA competition, this Sevco FC you spout about. Try and be original and stop copying dirty, filthy fenian bastards. Anyhow, how did your small club fare in said competition? My "small" club did remarkably better than the hundreds of thousands of other clubs all around the globe who could never even dream of competing in such a tournament. That is because they had to qualify against proper teams and not pub teams like you did.
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+x+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014? In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play. I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down.
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+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed. And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure? I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo Show me on a league table or UEFA competition, this Sevco FC you spout about. Try and be original and stop copying dirty, filthy fenian bastards. Anyhow, how did your small club fare in said competition? My "small" club did remarkably better than the hundreds of thousands of other clubs all around the globe who could never even dream of competing in such a tournament.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe rightfully complain about the state of football in Australia and the mismanagement. I just want to point out how they fucked the champions league. It's absolutely shite and I don't know how anyone can follow it. Then the world cup qualifying is to easy with to many teams then the world cup you play few matches. The sport is good it's the suits running it and it's not just in Australia If you're referring to the European Champions League, it was fucked when they put teams who weren't Champions in it and created the group stages instead of a straight knockout. Just like VAR, designed to help the bigger clubs go further What you're looking at now is the softening up for the Super League - Manchester City
- Internazionale Milan
- Real Madrid
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Paris Saint Germain
- PSV Eindhoven
- Sporting Lisbon
- Club Brugge
- And because Real Madrid also won the previous Champions League, the 9th auto-qualified team: Sparta Prague
there is the Club World Cup don't forget - sure not the same as you quote BUT in the big picture its OTT and useless played late in the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#ResultsThe League winners already hit out in the CL, CWC was/is just another money grab. I don't mind expansion within reason - money has changed the world over - I didn't mind the H/A CL of recent times BUT the change of away goals meaning nothing defeated the original concept. I think everyone is against the new changes to CL AND the WC. Coachs/players/managers/pundits etc are all saying their peace its all too much for everyone involved but Mr Greedy bags FIFA. I actually dont believe that the Club World Cup will ever be as prestigious as FIFA dreams mate.. The two biggest broadcast markets (Nth America and Asia) are massive Eurosnobs, even more than Australians, and outside of a a couple of dozen clubs nobody around the world cares about non-European teams participating in this.... no way will it ever gain cred like Euro/WC and the likes. Obviously FIFA sells it to the ME for who else is going to stump up the $$$'s, do they care - nope money in the bank. Crowds are so so - the only time I cared to suss it out was when LFC was in '19.https://www.transfermarkt.us/fifa-club-world-cup/besucherzahlen/pokalwettbewerb/KLUB/plus/1/galerie/0?saison_id=2020 Or when South Melbourne Hellas was in it in 2000 :) And could not wear their strip as it had too many sponsors on it !!! And played against Manchester United, Vasco De Gama and Nexaca, proudly representing Australia in a competition Sevco FC will sadly never participate in... :( booohoooo Show me on a league table or UEFA competition, this Sevco FC you spout about. Try and be original and stop copying dirty, filthy fenian bastards. Anyhow, how did your small club fare in said competition?
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+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Only reason we CAN'T Do P and R is because the APL exists mate, pure and simple.... The Aleague, IS by its inception, a "Super League" in so much as a club cannot gain entry to compete in it by performing on the football pitch ...... No ifs or butts about it. It’s nd irrelevant what you or I think and "shitting" on each league from the internet is equally irrelevant. Clubs CANNOT work with each other on an equal footing with this fractured system and until it is united then any "relationship" between clubs will be a predatory one at best. You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed.
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+x+x+xYeah mono I definitely get the frustration and hypocrisy with the a league and the European leagues. I don't think shitting on either league is the way forward if we can't do p and r I'd like to see the history of the nsl and beyond acknowledged more. Have the clubs work a bit better with each other. I know I'm an idiot on a couch and it might be a dream but it's what fans want 👍 Don't lump them in together, like the A-League is just an equivalent A-League is shit and easily fixed. European Cup changing to UCL Groups, to Champions League Elimination League heading towards a Full European League is just Football Changing over time. Watch it or don't, the choice is yours Can only watch if your club is one of those in the SUPER LEAGUE .... is that what they want, to funnell all the paying customers into a few easily marketed products? Sounds like they are talking about Aussie and American sports league models. 🤔
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+x+x+xLook I never claimed to be smart but my understanding is p and r is hard to implement. We need all the teams to basically be professional afford the flights etc that goes with it and if a team drops the second division we need to make sure they're financially stable. That sounds like a lot of work to do so I agree with most of what you guys are saying except that it's a easy solution to fix THATS BULLSHIT ... There are federations all around the world, in countries where 60% of the population lives beneath the poverty line. Where clubs play on dirt pitches and get paid in rice and beans that are able to have promotion and relegation........ Don't h8 me - I'm not in favour of doing nothing, and I want to see P&R implemented in Australia, but this is a faulty argument. Even in poverty stricken countries it's easy to implement P & R when the absolute worst case scenario for an away trip is a 6 hour bus ride to the other side of the country. It's a lot tougher when you're in a country where 6 hours in a bus won't even get you halfway out of one state and cross country flights are the only method of getting matches each week - the costs add up quickly. I dare say I'm more aware of this being in Perth than folks based in the Eastern States. Unfortunately Australia is unique in that there's no other country that; a) Has our geographic size and b) Has our (relatively) small population and c) Has 3~4 more popular spectator sports soaking up the majority of the potential attendances, TV viewership and sponsorships. Just out of interest, the WA state league pyramid is restricted to clubs based in the greater metropolitan area of Perth (with only a couple of exceptions) There's an amateur side in Geraldton (4 hour car ride north) and there has been a semi-pro team in Bunbury (2 hours south) which has been spluttering on-and-off over the seasons because of the costs and distance. If you go back thru the history books, there's been teams from Albany (5 hours south) and Busselton (3 hours south) but they didn't survive. As far as I know, there's never been a team from Kalgoorlie (6 hours east) in the state leagues. Instead, there's a bunch of regional "soccer" associations that run local leagues that are not connected to the WA pyramid ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_West#Regional_Associations ) If it's unfeasible to have P & R in a state-wide league, even at amateur level, it doesn't bode well for a cross country travel in the 2nd tier. <Tongue in cheek> Maybe the A-League could afford the transport costs if it adopted the above poverty-country model, and all the clubs played on dirt pitches and players were paid in rice & beans? Do you think the added interest from P & R would offset the loss of TV, crowds and advertising revenue if the A-League did this? </Tongue in cheek> As an aside: You can always follow the virtual 2 division A-League here: https://aleaguestats.com/A-League%20(Men)_37Virtual2ndDivision.html#Season2023Macarthur finished top of 1st division last season. Melbourne City & Sydney FC were relegated, and will be replaced by Wellington & Adelaide this season. Mate I would never HATE you or anyone with a contrary opinion... The geography issue is a fair one but oddly is NOT something insurmountable to the dozens of other national competitions in smaller sports like baseball, netball, shit even ice hockey? that somehow manage it... And, to be fair some of the other countries around the world may be smaller but travel is ALOT harder than it is here... My key point is that yes, OK, there needs to be a reasonable plan to make this financial dooable however the ONLY impediment to it actually starting tomorrow is the fact that the self anointed "top tier" requires an injection of franchise fees every couple of years to keep it going..... If the Aleague was connected, by promotion and relgation, to the rest of the football pyramid it would implode.....
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