Don't h8 me - I'm not in favour of doing nothing, and I want to see P&R implemented in Australia, but this is a faulty argument.

Even in poverty stricken countries it's easy to implement P & R when the absolute worst case scenario for an away trip is a 6 hour bus ride to the other side of the country.
It's a lot tougher when you're in a country where 6 hours in a bus won't even get you halfway out of one state and cross country flights are the only method of getting matches each week - the costs add up quickly.

I dare say I'm more aware of this being in Perth than folks based in the Eastern States.

Unfortunately Australia is unique in that there's no other country that;
a) Has our geographic size
and
b) Has our (relatively) small population
and
c) Has 3~4 more popular spectator sports soaking up the majority of the potential attendances, TV viewership and sponsorships.


Just out of interest, the WA state league pyramid is restricted to clubs based in the greater metropolitan area of Perth (with only a couple of exceptions)
There's an amateur side in Geraldton (4 hour car ride north) and there has been a semi-pro team in Bunbury (2 hours south) which has been spluttering on-and-off over the seasons because of the costs and distance.
If you go back thru the history books, there's been teams from Albany (5 hours south) and Busselton (3 hours south) but they didn't survive.
As far as I know, there's never been a team from Kalgoorlie (6 hours east) in the state leagues.
Instead, there's a bunch of regional "soccer" associations that run local leagues that are not connected to the WA pyramid ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_West#Regional_Associations )
If it's unfeasible to have P & R in a state-wide league, even at amateur level, it doesn't bode well for a cross country travel in the 2nd tier.


<Tongue in cheek>
Maybe the A-League could afford the transport costs if it adopted the above poverty-country model, and all the clubs played on dirt pitches and players were paid in rice & beans?
Do you think the added interest from P & R would offset the loss of TV, crowds and advertising revenue if the A-League did this?
</Tongue in cheek>



As an aside: You can always follow the virtual 2 division A-League here: https://aleaguestats.com/A-League%20(Men)_37Virtual2ndDivision.html#Season2023
Macarthur finished top of 1st division last season.
Melbourne City & Sydney FC were relegated, and will be replaced by Wellington & Adelaide this season.

Mate I would never HATE you or anyone with a contrary opinion...  The geography issue is a fair one but oddly is NOT something insurmountable to the dozens of other national competitions in smaller sports like baseball, netball, shit even ice hockey? that somehow manage it...  And, to be fair some of the other countries around the world may be smaller but travel is ALOT harder than it is here...  My key point is that yes, OK, there needs to be a reasonable plan to make this financial dooable however the ONLY impediment to it actually starting tomorrow is the fact that the self anointed "top tier" requires an injection of franchise fees every couple of years to keep it going..... If the Aleague was connected, by promotion and relgation, to the rest of the football pyramid it would implode.....  

Sounds like they are talking about Aussie and American sports league models. 
🤔

You and your shitey wee NSL tried it and dumped it because it failed.

Show me on a league table or UEFA competition, this Sevco FC you spout about. Try and be original and stop copying dirty,  filthy fenian bastards.

Anyhow, how did your small club fare in said competition?

My "small" club did remarkably better than the hundreds of thousands of other clubs all around the globe who could never even dream of competing in such a tournament. 

And yet the shitey NPL has tried it and it has proven to be incredibly successful... go figure?

I wonder what your take on the whole thing would have been if the Scottish top flight decided to forgo promotion/relegation in 2014?

In Scotland it would not make one iota of a difference to the current state of play.
I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down.

That is because they had to qualify against proper teams and not pub teams like you did.

Sure, as long your club has the ability too "come up" after relegation no?

like Eastern FC from Hong Kong maybe?

I think you will find that Sydney FC competed in 2005 World club Championship in which San Paulo beat Liverpool in the final 1-0.

Never said otherwise. 

Barcelona lost to Monaco but unless they finished lower then 24th (wtf) they are still in the competition 

like I said



Berlusconi cracked the shits when his pride and joy got knocked out one year, now it's all about making sure they don't

Yes they were, and that was a prime example of what happens when fans take back their power. What have fans done since? There are always protests and uproar about different things at clubs but we don't actually do what we are capable of. 

There's talk of the issues with player welfare in the new schedules, but what have fans done about it? We talk about how clubs rip of fans, yet we will always be lining up to buy the new kits and pay the silly prices to go to games. 

Fans are responsible for things like the super league. We demand more, so they pay stupid fees for players, which results in fans being charged more or clubs having to think of things like the super league. 

FIFA and UEFA have continued to do things and what have the fans done about it? What are fans doing about the expanded European competitions? Why are fans not in uproar about 3 different european comps that are taking a massive toll on the climate? Why are we not refusing to pay the stupid fees club charge for tickets, or what they charge for kits? Why do we not kick up as much of a fuss about FIFA giving World Cups to countries that don't deserve it. All that uproar about Qatar's human rights records, but what have fans done about it? 

Absolutely NOTHING I agree... 

Most go straight back down again.

You are off topic again. Different competition altogether.

And???? You posted previously that:

"I and most others are not really bothered who comes up or goes down."

So are you saying that when Rangers were trying to claw their way back up to the top league after their "troubles" if the SPFL decide to do away with promotion and relegation in 2015 lets say, the blue half of Glasgow wouldn't be bothered? That they would say "oh aye wee laddies, its for the good of fittbah, we'll all just go watch  Thistle now,"

C'mon mate..... at least argue something you plausibly believe to be true....

We are talking the here and now, not hypothetically what may have happened in 2014 or 15. BTW, it would never be allowed to happen. Believe me !
Stop trying to look for angles to base your hatred on for the APL.
Your Scottish dialect is worse than your attempts at humour.

FWIW, i give no fucks for any other clubs in Scotland or Australia, apart from the two i support.

Point is you play the clubs in front of you.... Who did Sydney play in the 2005 club world cup, some Costa Rican team? Your just not landing any punches Jocko, let it go.... ... 

So in other words there would be a farkin riot?? Yeah? 

Fuck the APL and Fuck the fake plastic franchise system that you wouldn't dream of accepting in your precious homeland .... 

No, no,no, no riots.

Celtic NEED Rangers and Rangers NEED Celtic, whether any of us would agree or not, it is the truth.

It is not a game FFS.

I laughed waaaaaaaay more than I needed to at this

And LFC thinks I am an angry man .

Look, you stick to your semi pro and poorly supported wee club with its social club and BBQ’s , and I will stick to my rather bigger club, ok ? ( in either country )

The whole semi pro wage system is out of whack, how can a semi pro be earning 100k in the same league where private school knock out rugby union had a bigger crowd than the league's grand final in Parramatta. 

How rich are some of Australia's semi pro clubs if they aren't forking out a stupid ton to match the market? Sounds like the big suits are aware of this and no wonder we barely get any funding. 

There is a gap there, credit to AAFC or whoever it is for trying to fix it but ultimately no one cares other than the inital trend boost of it being flashy and new.

has the idea of an NSW and VIC only NPL/2nd Div ever been floated?