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hmm .... a good idea which hoppefully the glory football staff should look in to.
I think coming from the fans all this footall recruitment sounds so easy (mainly because of transfer markets in fifa and football manager), haha well thats what i think anyway, if we can do it in those games, why not real life.
obviously its not that easy :P wish it was though
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Andy van der Meyde? No way, that would be insane. Would be neat if we could though.
BTW People bring up Kevin Phillips as a Marquee and while I agree that he would be decent, it does trouble me that he's ANOTHER 35 year old. Sure, not that he would not be fit and would not still offer quality.
But with the more recent arrival of Victor Sikora, who is only 30/31, I feel encouraged that we can find more of Sikora's age range.
Surely we can find a slightly younger Marquee who we can see playing for us, for a few more seasons. It would be nice to have a Marquee for 3-4 seasons plus even, rather than just 1 or 2.
But if we had little choice, then sure, I'd settle for Phillips. Though that's two 35/36yos upfront lol.
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hey who was that other dutch bloke we were chasing a year back?? he was 35 or so and had been playing it the SPL? we missed out on signing him, very interested to see if he flopped wherever he ended up.
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SausageMahoney wrote:hey who was that other dutch bloke we were chasing a year back?? he was 35 or so and had been playing it the SPL? we missed out on signing him, very interested to see if he flopped wherever he ended up. Mols, Michael?:-k 38 and still scoring for Feyenoord. ;) :lol: :lol: :lol: Edited by mk0825: 6/3/2009 10:06:06 PM
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Yeah definite shame we missed out on Mols. he is quality. hopefully Sikora can provide some spark though.
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No wonder we keep looking at all these old fogies lol
Sure he is still doing well and sure, Dadi and even Amaral did well, prior to the injury, but I really hope we continue to look at Visa players more of Trinidad and Victor Sikora's age group, so that is 26 - 31/32 max.
That's the thing with Sikora - we know, if he stays fit, that we could get potentially a good 5, even 6, more seasons out of him. Dadi we'd be lucky if we got 2 more and as we've seen with Amaral, some may say he couldn't even last the 1?
Surely we can find some quality, which is a bit younger. Especially for Marquee and that player would HAVE to be better than the likes of Sikora and Dadi, so that means the guy would HAVE to be awesome. :o
Maybe on that note we DO deserve the league's biggest/best Marquee and guys like van der Meyde and Appiah may well fit that bill?
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These players may certainly indeed fit into the bill.
Question is .... has dave mitchell or tony sage approached them or looked into it further?
most likely not
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Any chance of Bobby filling an assistant role next season do any of you reckon ?
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I guess things are dormant at Perth for a little while, with the GREAT EXCEPTION of the negotiations surround that Everton fixture. Things are taking a little long there and we need Sagey to lock that in, especially now SFC especialyl are putting their hand up and making all sorts of claims about the fixture (Like Kamasz said it was 'their idea').
Pre-season officially begins in April and it's around then or May we may start to hear more about the squad, especialy the Amaral and Trinidad/Trinidad replacement situations.
I guess for f1dave and co, this 'may' 'inpart' explain why our our bloggers are MIA, ftm. Though with that Everton fixture issue and Sagey's recent and quite informative, interviews, the Bloggers should have plenty to write about and WE need to be informed of any recent developments!
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GloryPerth wrote:I guess things are dormant at Perth for a little while, with the GREAT EXCEPTION of the negotiations surround that Everton fixture. Things are taking a little long there and we need Sagey to lock that in, especially now SFC especialyl are putting their hand up and making all sorts of claims about the fixture (Like Kamasz said it was 'their idea').
The way i understood the situation there was that the Perth /Everton game was locked in on the proviso that Everton could get a game with another aussie side, so it would be a matter of the other clubs sorting themselves out rather than Sagey. Either way i want it locked in asap so i can book everything for my trip to perth!
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i honestly thought it was gold coast idea originally. either way we were the first to act upon it. from the sounds of it the east coast including welly have been lining up to get in on this. i would say it would be everton taking their time in making it official.
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SausageMahoney wrote:i honestly thought it was gold coast idea originally. either way we were the first to act upon it. from the sounds of it the east coast including welly have been lining up to get in on this. i would say it would be everton taking their time in making it official. I really want the announcement to be made so i can book my tickets! I wanna be part of this!
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Krackovich wrote:GloryPerth wrote:I guess things are dormant at Perth for a little while, with the GREAT EXCEPTION of the negotiations surround that Everton fixture. Things are taking a little long there and we need Sagey to lock that in, especially now SFC especialyl are putting their hand up and making all sorts of claims about the fixture (Like Kamasz said it was 'their idea').
The way i understood the situation there was that the Perth /Everton game was locked in on the proviso that Everton could get a game with another aussie side, so it would be a matter of the other clubs sorting themselves out rather than Sagey. Either way i want it locked in asap so i can book everything for my trip to perth! Sorry true, just then I see this damn heavily biased (No surprise) article - Quote:Meanwhile, the club's proposal to bring English Premier League side Everton to the harbour city is close to being formalised, with the only major hurdle the willingness of other A-League clubs to commit to hosting games. "I heard initially [Everton] were talking to Perth, Queensland and Wellington … I don't know how they've gone or who else they're talking to, but we're very happy with our talks so far," Kamasz said.
Sydney are considering offers from ANZ Stadium and the Sydney Football Stadium to host the fixture and are trying to gauge how many fans might attend before committing either way. http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/shanghaid-shenhua-take-shine-to-sydney-pair-on-friendly-tour/2009/03/05/1235842577145.htmlBollocks, Sebastian Hassett, Sagey has handled our end! Edited by gloryperth: 10/3/2009 10:45:59 PM
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How bout this guy as a Marquee? The 'Destroyer of Italy' who was subsequently released by Perugia due to his 2002 World Cup efforts - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Jung-Hwanaka 'Ahn' He is 33 going 34 January next year, but is a big name who will be available. And surely everyone can appreciate a true blue, bona-fide nemesis of those cheating, diving Italians who robbed us, 4 years later? ;) :p He had some success with Perugia until that was brought to a halt in 02 and he was one of South Korea's trailblazer's in Europe - Infact few, if any, have yet to make it to Serie A since he left (Though that could be for reasons other than talent? :p). He was offered to the MLS, but they passed him up as a 'Designated Player/Their version of Marquees.' But he is SURELY worth a Marquee spot here and we could easily see 3 good seasons from him. Ahn is a star in Korea and this could well translate to good support from the Korean community in the stands ala what I saw when our 04 Olyroos side face South Korea Under 23s back in 04 - A hundred or so Koreans, atleast, turned up for that match in a crowd of 6k or so, overall and made PLENTY of noise. Glory could secure extra income, with matches maybe broadcast into South Korea and some form of merchandising over there. Ahn could be a great contact post playing career too (His South Korean, J-League, Italian and German experience/links) and Glory will be put on South Korea's football map - we may find it easier to recruit future South Koreans - a pathway may be established. Also 'Ahn' speaks decent English, aswell as Italian from memory. Lol Would be interesting to see how our local Italian community respond to his signing though, but I think they could overlook that knowing Glory has signed by far their best Marquee yet and one could see Perth challenging for the league for the first time in ages. He hasn't played for Korean for a little while, but he's technically not retired from teh NT, yet. His playing in the A-L could infact help his prospects of returning to the NT, having a second life, as it has for guys like Dwight Yorke and Carlos Hernandez. He'd be a very SMART purchase I'd say! And much more realistic/relatively cheaper/more likely/willing to come to our league, than most of the others we've mooted tbh. And he's a slight bit younger and possibly fitter too. Now that I've found out about him I'm soo set on him being THE ONE for US! He'd combine soo well with Dadi and Sikora! He has a great goal scoring record in the J-League! My mouth just drools at the prospect! GLORY SIGN HIM UP! SIGN UP AHN JUNG-HWAN, PLEEEEAAAASSSSEE SAGEY! Edit: He has been linked to our league, recently! :o http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/sports/2009/02/136_40385.htmlhttp://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2009/02/26/1127863/2002-star-ahn-jung-hwan-set-for-australian-or-american-adventureEdited by gloryperth: 11/3/2009 06:23:47 AM
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asian stars will always command a salary too large at home for us to compete with. ive always thought bringing in no name players from thailand, iraq and so on to be a good idea on regular contracts.
i dont think we will get the rise in attendance from getting an asian star. with the large english population ive always thought getting an ex EPL player is the way to go or of course picking up one of the socceroo boys. still wish the club would make a move for kisnorbo would be a great addition to our defence.
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hehe, i got into a pretty big debate with some koreans on another board about Ahn and whether or not he would come to the a-league, and they all said no because the majority of them live in USA and want him in the MLS:)
they say the only problem is that ahn isn't even half as good as he used to be and wouldn't be worth giving a marquee spot too...INFACT, the mls teams that are looking at him do not want to make him a designated player(or in other words, the american version of marquee player) and just want to register him as a normal player included in the salary cap.
they translated a couple interviews and say that ahn's main priority is his family and that they can live somewhere in a good enviroment preferably a western english speaking country which is where USA and australia come in although i'd say there would be more fruitful opportunities for his family in USA than in australia, but we can't be too far off
though in conclusion, i think he is worth signing for any a-league club, but from the info ive gotten from the koreans, and the mls reports ive read, he is not worth 400kUSD a year
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Interesting find GloryPerth, but 8 goals in the last 4 seasons is a sign of a washed up player. You'd want to trial him first, but someone who is expecting marquee status might not be so keen...
With regards to players and crowds, no-one short of Beckham will bring in bumper crowds. The only way to boost numbers is to start winning again.
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Ahn Jung-Hwan: Glory's Samson Siasia/Brian Deane for the new decade?
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Hmm lol I see, oh well.
Though I don't think we can be soo sure about the crowds thing - With so-called English attractions it hasn't worked, like Lazaridis, BRIAN DEANE :p and what have you.
I know I only speak from that one match and my observations of travelling Korean support generally, but I can certainly see him attracting quite a band of South Korean supporters to our games. Especially as Perth has alot of South Korean students and what have you and I have the idea many of those South Koreans at that Olyroos game were Perth based, though it's always possible 'some' may've travelled over from South Korea 'especially' for the match? :o
South Korean supporters are as good as any really and they can turn up in droves. Ahn may be a different kettle of fish to actual South Korean NTs, but then he has alot of star power in Korea and so that may even be a good thing. He could be like 'Our South Korean Beckham.'I'd be willing to bet the influx of Koreans we saw would be more than any English we've ever gotten, especially in terms of passion of support. As I remember with that Olyroos match, they chanted and beat drums all through that match, in full voice throughout.
The Koreans could be not unlike how some clubs attract a following from Brazilians and what you, due to their Brazilian players. Except the Koreans might bring more fans.
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hmmm i see where your coming from....
but obviously i think glory would be better off targeting a well known marquee that everyone is familiar with that can attract crowds from all over perth, rather than just targeting a marquee to attract crowds from the perth based koreans or brazilians for example.
like yorke or juninho for sydney, or even fowler .... all football fans know these people, all types of people will be attracted to the games.
if u see where im comin from lol
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^ Lol I do, but alot of fans who followed the 2002 World Cup (And ALOT did on TV) will know of Ahn. He may not be quite as big as some other, but he's as big, if not bigger, than a few of the names we've mentioned (van der meyde) - Kevin Phillips included.
Best scenario would be to have him on Guest stint I'd reckon - similar to how SFC got that Japanese star on loan, in V1. That way we'd get a snippet what he'd offer on and off the field and if he turns out to more more of a Romario (on the field) than Kazu, then so be it,, but atleast we didn't suffer for it too much.
Doubt he'd go for a Guest stint though, doh!
Would be nice if we could pull a Juninho-like figure, both in technical pedigree and his stature as a 'name' within the footballing world.
BTW With suggestions like Appiah, not that we shouldn't try - who knows? Crespo too, you never know (Batistuta is here:p) But yeah, bit of a reach those two atleast. Kevin Phillips is more realistic, but I think we could aim a little higher perhaps though?
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GloryPerth wrote: South Korean supporters are as good as any really and they can turn up in droves. Ahn may be a different kettle of fish to actual South Korean NTs, but then he has alot of star power in Korea and so that may even be a good thing.
The Koreans could be not unlike how some clubs attract a following from Brazilians and what you, due to their Brazilian players. Except the Koreans might bring more fans.
At the Melbourne Victory v Chunnam Dragons there were about 3 Koreans that showed up Edited by Krackovich: 11/3/2009 07:03:04 PM
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This was in Perth anyway and 100 Koreans in a crowd of 6k or whatever it was, can make a fair bit of noise. They filled like, going by the stadium plans, the E11 and E12 bays or something, maybe E10 too?
Mind you, this was like 2004, so some time ago.
BTW Would be interesting to see what shape Ahn is in, fitness wise, but as COYS suggested, given the MLS seems a little hesitant, that could be partially due to fitness concerns. Then again it IS the MLS and the expectations of Marquees may be higher than ours, given they've brought in some impressive Marquess in recent time, Beckham aside. But reputation wise, I think the yanks know/regard Ahn atleast aswell as we may - given he scored the drawing goal against the US in 2002, in their group match.
They seem to be taking their time over Ahn, so if they don't sign him, then as suggested by some of you, he may not be worth signing here anyway, as there are obviously some doubts (Esp as he didn't light up the K-League soo much recently).
BUT Just because he hasn't scored alot of goals in bigger leagues in recent times, doesn't mean he won't here, or won't create chances for others. Fabio Vignaroli of the Newcatle Jets is already impressing there, yet he has only score 8 goals in 130 something matches or whatever it is, in the last 5 years. But a few of those appearances, especially in the past 3 years, May've been sub appearances, he was playing Serie B and going by Newcastle's reports, he's a bit of a creative force, so that seems more his strength, despite being classed as a 'striker,' if he can provide plenty for Sasho, de Groot and co, then he's doing his job.
Technically Ahn would be more than a class above this league, for sure and could impress crowds if he was fit. And I'm sure he'd score a few, just as I'm sure Fabio Vignaroli will at Newcastle Jets.
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Quote:Perth Glory
Boardroom: The club that largely carried the now extinct National Soccer League during its dying days, Perth have been dogged by poor administration since their transition into the A-League. Trio Tony Sage, Brett McKeon and John Spence took over the club at the beginning of the 2007/2008 season, ending the FFA’s ownership of the club. It was a move that was supposed to bring an element of stability and direction back to the board-room; after initially losing Spence, Sage has now been left as the Glory’s sole owner with the recent departure of McKeon from the club. The latter claimed his decision was the result of a lack of support from the nation’s governing body with regards to the club’s running costs, a message echoed by Sage in the wake of his partner’s shock departure. The club have even managed to criticize the West Australian government for a lack of support in attempting to bring an Australia international to Perth, capping off a depressing year for a club that despite its relative short history, remembers better days – 2/10
Recruitment: Much improved from previous seasons, with Ivorian striker Eugene Dadi lighting up the league with a charisma matched by his football abilities. Injuries might have hampered the contribution of veteran Brazilian midfielder Amaral, though he brought an element of class to the Glory’s play when fit. Adriano Pellegrino proved an inspired signing and Wayne Shroj returned from Europe competently – 7/10
Manager: David Mitchell did superbly well to galvanize a side largely formed within the space of one off-season, helping them to avoid the embarrassment of finishing last and ensuring they were competitive on a weekly basis. Stability might be lacking in the board-room but it has been maintained on the pitch by the immensely experienced former player, who has performed admirably in his role under the circumstances – 6/10
Crowds: An average of barely 8,000, reflective of an isolated support base that once upon a time flocked to see the Glory play – 3/10.
Style Of Football: By virtue of the presence of Amaral and Dadi, played a positive – if slightly more direct – style of football, with the strike pairing of Dadi and Rukavytsya particularly enjoyable to watch. Not the most consistent side in the league but one of the hardest working. The highlight was a 4-1 demolition of Sydney FC away from home, effectively ending the reign of manager John Kosmina. Improved markedly towards the end of the season - 6/10
League Position/Results: Avoided finishing last and at one stage looked like a surprise candidate for finals football – 5/10.
Overall: It was always going to be a difficult season and the once proud club showed enough resilience on the pitch to avert a total disaster - 5/10
Chris Paraskevas, Goal.com A review of Perth Gloroy's Season from http://www.goal.com/en/news/808/australia/2009/03/11/1149947/special-a-league-season-review-part-2I don't really agree with the crowds situation, except the Wellington game (which was a scheduling disaster) ore corwds have been alright. They're on the up which is the main thing, cause everyone else's are down.
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Hmmm that ahn guy sounds not that swell. i'd be much happier with a washed up bigger named englishman then a washed up random korean. better still would be a decent non washed up player. i remember someone saying sage had gotten 6 or 8 players but was gonna release the details later. lets assume he included resigning. thats neville jukic and Sekoluvski. so 3 or 5 more. maybe Griffiths from the youth team.although he was injured a fair bit.
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southern3 wrote:
I don't really agree with the crowds situation, except the Wellington game (which was a scheduling disaster) ore corwds have been alright. They're on the up which is the main thing, cause everyone else's are down.
You're kidding, right? The only reason our crowds were up was the giveaways at the end of the year which led to a 12k and 9k crowd. Let's not delude ourselves, the rest of the season the crowds were crap- and rightly so. People shouldn't pay to see the rubbish we've dished up over the past few years. Hopefully now things are on the up more will start coming. This is Perth- you don't win, you don't get crowds. Everyone else's crowds come down and ours go up- only because we can't go any lower!
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We sould Rukavytsya for $1.2mil right? For comparison's sake... Freddie Ljungberg is on about $2million a season for Seattle in the MLS. I would think with that transfer money plus money from Sagey, we could afford about 3/4 as good as Ljungberg. I reckon we could get Appiah for aboout $1.3-$1.7mil. Or at least someone else under 32!
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yeh would assume that the money we got from rukavysta we can surely put towards a big name ..... i never knew freddy lumberg was on 2 mill a year, and his a world class player ... maybe if we can get sumone for 1.5 or so mil ... even 1 mill, who still have that 'world class' calibre that would be brillaint. Appiah is a possibility, but this is our ideas here, ideas from the fans, i highly doubt sage or mitch has even looked at him yet, let alone approached him.
But i am sure there is alot of past big name players, or even current world class players who would love to move to australia, question is are they prepared to play this so called 'lower' level of football compared to trying out to get contracts in europe or elsewhere.
I wouldnt even mind targeting the star plays from the MLS, but maybe for normal wages ... like donovan from la galaxy, and fred is another example, those two players are quality, big fan of donovan, havnt seen him play much, but from what i have seen, his good.
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i always liked landon donvaon from the mls. at the WC's his always looked classy and his already gone off to europe and came back to the US. not sure if we would be able to target someone like him but definitely a classy player.
on the crowds yes they were once again disastrous, I'm pretty sure membership was an all time high however. it show the faithful are still coming we just need to encourage the others and that will only come with results.
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Yeah the membership record was broken about a week before Glory's first A-League fixture of the season - http://www.perthglory.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=231735777 was the old record, set in 2007, so maybe Glory reached 6000 this season? I find that interesting, curious even - given Glory had the crowds they did, back from 1998-2003 or so. Obviously back then we didn't actually have a great deal many members? I think the crowds were ok considering the crap start we've had since the inception of the A-League. Not only have we managed to sustain the numbers, especially in light of that infamous Wellington crowd figure, but we grew a little over the previous couple seasons. Sure some of those numbers might've been bumped up by free tickets, but atleast we got the numbers and maybe some of them may buy tickets proper, maybe even become members, in the future. I truly think, with the positive display we put on in the back half of the season and Perth now familiar with the likes of Dadi and even Mitchell, that we may see the best start to the season, crowds wise, that we've seen since V1 - we could even match the 9-10k avg we achieved in V1 - especially if our team finally achieves a good start to the season - like top 4 come November. This season was an important transitional season in many ways. We can all see the vibe is substantially different end of this season, that it has been EVER since the A-L started. Things are feeling quite positive, our squad is very promising after a decent finish to the season and amidst that we've retained most of them and recouped a good return from the departure of Ruka. Mitchell actually has done a reasonable job and with us retaining him, we have some stability atlast. Under Mitchell, we've brought in impressive recruits like Victor Sikora, who we never would've imagined we could get, back in the days before Mitchell. And Mitch's eye has also unearthed the likes of Pellegrino and gave opportunity to true young talent like Velaphi and Scott Neville. So the promise some of us may feel is actually based on substance for once. So we're looking forward to Mitch and Sagey building on that promise and taking us to that next level, of a genuine finals contender, maybe even title contender, next season. As we fans know it's reasonable to expect this, as it's not so far a leap now, with what we have already, with Mitch and the present squad. This Everton friendly is important symbolically as it could be a stamp proving to all, of Glory's revival and may provide the impetus, the public awareness, getting Glory talk around the water cooler again, for our membership record to be broken once more and for those opening A-League crowds to break 10-11k! Edited by gloryperth: 13/3/2009 04:17:33 AM
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