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GloryPerth wrote:Neville NEVER should have had to depart/services be no longer required, due to Rison coming through - never an either/or - as Neville was always well capable/excellent even, where ever he played, including CB, DM and RM! A great, modern, adaptive player! Quite simply, there were two senior CBs ahead of him and he would have had to work his way back into the starting XI under a coach that was always hesitant to rock the boat. He shouldn't have needed to move, a smart club with a good manager would have seen him stay, but circumstances meant he did need to leave to get any meaningful senior game time. Remember, he was knocking on the door of championship clubs in England prior to his injury and desperately wanted to make it there. Unfortunately for him, the move hasn't paid off and his UK ambitions have taken severe damage. I think he is a capable CB, and a serviceable utility, but I don't see the appeal to him as a player of coming back to Perth. Behind Thwaite and Ljubo (and alongside Pantaledis) are Clisby, O'Neil and Evans. Behind Burns is O'Neil and C.Edwards. I don't see all three (four with Pantaledis) senior players there not getting an extension, and I don't rate Neville in his current form above those waiting in the wings, which means an awful lot more competition than he would have at Newcastle or elsewhere. Absolute legend when here (I'm sure we all had him marked as future captain), but I think we need to accept that the ship has sailed. He's not the player he was, and he no longer Glory through and through.
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You are right Scoll - another instance of 'timing', 'swings and roundabouts' etc... And arrgh, I forgot about Ljubo - how could I forget about Ljubo!! Still - never know - those 'swings and round-a-bouts' again - The Mid-East may come calling for Thwaite AND maybe even K-League or some such for Risdon? Panta leaves and suddenly we looking a bit bare/inexperienced, aside from Ljubo! You may still be right - but form a variable thing and he will hopefully still return to barnstorming form. A change of coach at the Jets could do him and his team mates some good too, apparently. And he still Glory through-and-through - he played with a passion and motivation we haven't seen from him since. He's as Glory as they come, arguably - hence me suggesting possible Captaincy material for long while. jlm8695 wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:RedKat wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:So with all this Troisi talk to MV I'm really having a good laugh at Makarounas. :lol: Wasnt like he was going to get much game time even before Troisi That's what makes it even more funny. :lol: Still probably first choice back up if one of the AM's goes down, Troisi coming in doesn't really change this at all. Edited by jlm8695: 25/9/2013 01:21:14 AM Troisi is capable of playing AM though. Any way you look at it, with Barbarouses there too, the depth across that final third is very strong - much stronger than when Victory hosted Liverpool, where Makarounas saw a start. But still, you never know, injuries and suspensions can and have always, forbid, happened. Archie has NT call ups too.
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Scoll wrote:I feel Neville has stagnated at Newcastle, has lost a bit of that steel that made him stand out for us. His injury and subsequently being outshone by Risdon was a cruel blow, good for us in that it gave Risdon the exposure he needed but has seemed to have set Scotty back a lot.
Taggart is a bit of a 50-50 situation. He needed to get out, he was too good to languish in our youth side, but when he signed for Newy there would have been an expectation of a lot more game time (especially as the central striker.) Hesky coming in shunted him back down the pecking order, much like Smeltz did, but at least he is still given game time (and Hesky is arguably a bit of a step up in the mentor stakes to Smeltz.)
I think Makarounis has been unfortunate. I believe Ange rates him and he has done well when he has played, but has an unfortunate knack of picking up injuries just as he is breaking into the team. Has a lot more competition now, which may see him need to move on to secure match time. Neville's only had one season at Newcastle and he was injured most of it early on and never really got going when he came back. Wouldn't call it stagnating but perhaps the Glory management identified his injury proneness and figured he was expendable. Shame, but should do better this season (I have nfi about Newcastle this pre-season) and will be better to judge how his career progression after results this campaign. Nate wrote:Scoll wrote:Need to consider that Makarounis and Taggart are likely the instigators for the Glory board pushing for the youth/local revolution. Had they not left we would likely have seen Fergie still leave, but probably not have seen Edwards come in or the philosophical shake-up.
Would be nice to see them back, but at the same time sad from the perspective of their career progression given their potential. This has been my impression as well. Sagey's wallet says hi.
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Jeez some blinkers on Neville here. He was an above-average right-back (who justified his Olyroos call up). That's it. He was never a centre-back except when desperation arose. Now put the vodka down Komrad...
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Jeez some blinkers on Neville here. He was an above-average right-back (who justified his Olyroos call up). That's it. He was never a centre-back except when desperation arose. Now put the vodka down Komrad... I think "above-average" undersells how good Neville was when in top form for us. He was (perhaps still will be?) an excellent attacking full-back at A-League level. But I don't think he was ever going to be an excellent centre-back... if anything if he wasn't going to play RB because of Risdon his next best positions would've been as a right midfielder in a 4-4-2 or as a right wing-back in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3. I don't think he has shown quite enough capability to play as a right winger/forward. Under Fergie, I think he had a spot in the team coming in for Dodd in front of Risdon. But under Ali Edwards to be honest I don't think there is a position for him other than Risdon's. So as much as I thought he was great when he was here, I think it was probably for the best for both him and us that he's moved on.
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Ljubo did a restaurant review for the WA today website :lol: Quote:Perth Glory's Ljubo Milicivic is this week's guest food reviewer. Together with team mates Shane Smeltz, Isaka Cernak, and Chris Harold he paid a visit to The Beaufort Street Merchant. Our club was kind enough to have organised a nice little tab at The Beaufort Street Merchant in Mount Lawley. Since arriving back in Perth a month ago, more than a few people have told me to check this place out. But not one to follow the crowd, and always looking for something yet to be discovered, I had never been there. Advertisement We were greeted warmly by Jamie as we entered. The lovely lass escorted us to our table and the boys nodded in approval. A cute and affable hostess, we knew it was going to be a fun night! Without wasting a moment we ordered sparkling water, a good bottle of red wine and all of the starters on the menu. Did I mention we were hungry? The boys loved the carpaccio (raw mackerel), with some basil/mustard yoghurt and chilli, and the shared plates of salmon, olives and anchovies were devoured within seconds. Next up the mains, but not before we ordered another round of the ciabatta with olive oil and balsamic vinegar to dip it in. Shane got the daily fish, Isaka got eye fillet and I got the truffled gnocchi with mushrooms and hazelnuts. Our young accomplice Chris had to leave us early, he had other plans. (I know, right, what could have been more important than a meal this great with the boys?) Did I mention the two girls at the door that couldn't keep their eyes off Chris as he left the building? (Why haven't you responded to his text, girls?) All three dishes were a hit, Isaka was kind enough to let me try his eye fillet, which left me stunned. Smeltz being the striker and goal poacher he is, smashed his food down before I even got the chance to ask if his meal was delicious. There were certainly no leftovers on our plates. Struggling to breathe at this point, the boys nodded in unison, "let's give dessert a whirl". I went for the chocolate fondant, which was so impressive I don't even remember what everybody else ordered. My number one rule for eating at restaurants? Whenever you see chocolate fondant on the dessert menu, order it, it never disappoints. The Merchant's version was amazing. A-grade marks for a superb feast. Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/entertainment/about-town/beaufort-street-merchant-a-hit-for-perth-glory-defender-20130923-2uafa.html#ixzz2frowBDDc
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Saw him in Leederville the other day in a wide brimmed leather hat and a trench coat. You could have slotted him straight into a Noir Crime movie.
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bovs wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Jeez some blinkers on Neville here. He was an above-average right-back (who justified his Olyroos call up). That's it. He was never a centre-back except when desperation arose. Now put the vodka down Komrad... I think "above-average" undersells how good Neville was when in top form for us. He was (perhaps still will be?) an excellent attacking full-back at A-League level. But I don't think he was ever going to be an excellent centre-back... if anything if he wasn't going to play RB because of Risdon his next best positions would've been as a right midfielder in a 4-4-2 or as a right wing-back in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3. I don't think he has shown quite enough capability to play as a right winger/forward. Under Fergie, I think he had a spot in the team coming in for Dodd in front of Risdon. But under Ali Edwards to be honest I don't think there is a position for him other than Risdon's. So as much as I thought he was great when he was here, I think it was probably for the best for both him and us that he's moved on. Scotty Nevs, as much as I liked the bloke, was always going to be a right back or right wing back. Maybe at a pinch he could be a defensive-minded midfielder, but RB was his spot. His problem was Riz came on in leaps and bounds and we couldn't afford to have two young players on decent contracts in the same position... both would have wanted first team action. I'll never forget him absolutely cleaning up Archie Thompson with an inch-perfect slide tackle that made one of the A-League's most prolific forwards just blink incredulously after though :D
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Are we sure? Neville seemed very capable in any position - I saw him utilised at RM too, iirc, and he was not out of place. He'd be a perfectly capable even decent DM, especially at A-League level?! Especially for reasons as you guys say - he'd be both a good enforcer/defensive screener and a boy quite capable of playing forward, passing through. A modern, adaptive, player.
That's even why he'd be kind of 'wasted' at CB even - as from what I've seen, he's quite handy going forward?!
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f1dave wrote:bovs wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Jeez some blinkers on Neville here. He was an above-average right-back (who justified his Olyroos call up). That's it. He was never a centre-back except when desperation arose. Now put the vodka down Komrad... I think "above-average" undersells how good Neville was when in top form for us. He was (perhaps still will be?) an excellent attacking full-back at A-League level. But I don't think he was ever going to be an excellent centre-back... if anything if he wasn't going to play RB because of Risdon his next best positions would've been as a right midfielder in a 4-4-2 or as a right wing-back in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3. I don't think he has shown quite enough capability to play as a right winger/forward. Under Fergie, I think he had a spot in the team coming in for Dodd in front of Risdon. But under Ali Edwards to be honest I don't think there is a position for him other than Risdon's. So as much as I thought he was great when he was here, I think it was probably for the best for both him and us that he's moved on. Scotty Nevs, as much as I liked the bloke, was always going to be a right back or right wing back. Maybe at a pinch he could be a defensive-minded midfielder, but RB was his spot. His problem was Riz came on in leaps and bounds and we couldn't afford to have two young players on decent contracts in the same position... both would have wanted first team action. I'll never forget him absolutely cleaning up Archie Thompson with an inch-perfect slide tackle that made one of the A-League's most prolific forwards just blink incredulously after though :D Yeah Dave sums it up well. He's a right back. That's it. I loved the guy when he was here, from his awesome starting debut where he made a goal-line clearances in a drab 0-0 draw. I don't undersell him I'm just not going to over-hype or start espousing delusions. Neville played one game (the Welly final?) as a right mid iirc, and only played CB when needed for injury cover, so no idea where he was ever going to be Dodd's understudy. Covering when needed is a whole different kettle of fish to suddenly breaking out in a whole new position. Since he's a right-back, I'm not going to start saying he has all the right attributes for a central midfielder. That's as bad as Burns to RB(™).
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Marulanda starting in tonight's friendly! Interesting that he's still on the radar.
Oh and he's scored a free kick!
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Yep, Nevs was used as a RM for the Welly final and also moved up a couple of times when we had to sub off whatever winger.
Thing was, when he went forward, even from RB, his final ball wasn't as good as Risdon's (or the RW) and he didn't really have the footwork to dazzle defenders. He was much better suited to the sharp decisions and solid tackling of his defensive game... in my humble opinion, anyway.
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f1dave wrote:Yep, Nevs was used as a RM for the Welly final and also moved up a couple of times when we had to sub off whatever winger.
Thing was, when he went forward, even from RB, his final ball wasn't as good as Risdon's (or the RW) and he didn't really have the footwork to dazzle defenders. He was much better suited to the sharp decisions and solid tackling of his defensive game... in my humble opinion, anyway. Agreed. Plus he wasn't super fast from the start. He could run all day, just not explosive.
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ATE - That's too limiting of a player of Neville's talents. I know adaptive players hate being moved around and like a regular start/possie like others, but same time, the likes of Mark Milligan, Rhys Williams, Chris Herd and others have also capably played multiple positions and are similar to Neville or vice versa. It's natural really and reflects the quality of the player.
He has the attributes, qualities, to play some of these other possies.
BTW Mark Milligan started life as a CB, was utilised at RB for a while too, but now re-invented essentially as a DM. It took till Milligan entering his peak years to make this recent transition. There's no reason why Neville couldn't switch to the middle either and indeed, I saw that game he was RM against Wellington and I was surprised at how 'relatively capable' he was in the final third, overlapping runs, dangerous positions, good confidence on the ball and his awareness wasn't bad - he was quite threatening. He even had a shot on goal or two, iirc?!
Yeah, probably not 'at home'/preferred THERE, that advanced, BUT, deeper, as a Defensive Midfielder... perhaps? Again, Milligan, Williams and Herd, all utilised there, aswell as RB, CB etc... I guess it's all a bit theoretical at the moment.
I just refuse to believe it's an either/or with Risdon and Neville. But hindsight now, I guess.
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Neville was pretty solid defensively, but one of his weaknesses was defensive positioning... he often would get caught out marking the wrong areas of the pitch leaving free men in dangerous places in and around the box.
This deficiency would kill you from a full-time CB, and means he'd be virtually unable to play defensive mid (which is *all* about positioning).
The main reasons he was a good RB were his one-on-one defending, and his ability to push forward on an overlap.
As F1Dave pointed out... being able to overlap as a RB is quite different to being able to push forward as a RM, and his one-on-one attacking skills and distribution under pressure were probably not up to it.
But I still reckon as a traditional 4-4-2 RM (where it's more about providing width to the midfield line, rather than breaking forward into the attacking third) he could succeed. Glory just don't play that formation though so it's RB or nothing.
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I'm going to the game against SFC today.
I'll take some notes and post them here later.
Great weather in Sydney today, so we should see a decent game.
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Maclaren scores on 15' to put Glory 1-0 up. That's what I like to see, the young guy getting a goal against A-League opposition - that makes me feel a lot more comfortable!
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f1dave wrote:Maclaren scores on 15' to put Glory 1-0 up. That's what I like to see, the young guy getting a goal against A-League opposition - that makes me feel a lot more comfortable! +1 assist, slowly alleviating some of my Smeltz worries.
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Sciola having a blinder too according to some of the people there. Good signs.
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3-0 win, 2 goals and an assist to Maclaren.
Cue Sydney fans to go into meltdown :D :D :D
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f1dave wrote:3-0 win, 2 goals and an assist to Maclaren.
Cue Sydney fans to go into meltdown :D :D :D \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/
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Not too bad with Glory playing two 19yo at #9 and #10. Tho' I suppose Sydney are lucky we didn't have our 15yo available!
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f1dave wrote:3-0 win, 2 goals and an assist to Maclaren.
Cue Sydney fans to go into meltdown :D :D :D But pre-season counts for nothing, apparently. :lol:
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Don't know why everyone's so excited, it's only Sydney ;) :P
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Benjo wrote:Don't know why everyone's so excited, it's only Sydney ;) :P Yes and no! It may only be Sydney, but Sydney in particular, but also NSW teams in general, have been our bogey sides for a long time now, so it's reassuring to put it over them. (Consider last year, leading 1:0 and comfortable when Pants concedes penalty and red, then later in the year where we go 2:1 up only to concede the stupidest of equalisers before the FOTS had even stopped celebrating the goal, like 90 seconds later).
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Oh look, yeah - there are no points for that game and it won't determine the outcome of the season.
But we played well, Maclaren played well, and Sydney did not.
What's not to like? :lol:
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And to think some Sydney fans had a go at a guy raising some concerns a week ago.
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The kit looks better in video. http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/perthglory/news-display/VIDEO--Perth-Glory-201314-Season-Launch/75738Lovely walk Harold :lol: Also confirmed new away kit design for next season.(please be a state one)
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Here are the lineups from today's game with info re: subs.
Sydney FC: 1. Necevski, 2. Ryall, 3. Warren, 5. Jurman (13. Calvano 55’), 6. Petkovic, 7. Emerton (16. Chianese 45’), 9. Gameiro (22. Abbas 65’), 10. Del Piero, 11. Garcia (14. Mallia 76’), 15. McFlynn, 19. Carle.
Subs: 25. Petkovski, 20. Bouzanis.
Yellow Cards: Carle 44’, Calvano 76’. Del Piero 76’,
Perth: 1. Vukovic, 4. Edwards, 5. Pantelidis (3. O’Neill 58’), 7. Burns ©, 8. Nagai (17. Harold 63’), 10. MacLaren, 14. McGarry (6. Edwards 58’), 16. Sciola, 19. Risdon, 21. Jamieson (2. Clisby 63’), 23. Thwaite.
Subs: 11. Zahra, 20. Spence.
Yellow Cards: Jamieson 52’.
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Iridium1010 wrote:
Also confirmed new away kit design for next season.(please be a state one)
Please no. Club is a club, not a state. Colours are purple, white, bit of orange. Definitely not black and gold, leave that to the warriors.
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