hotrod
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So, the big announcements were........ :-"
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Nate
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hotrod wrote:So, the big announcements were........ :-" Just saw this: Neil Sherwin @neilsherwin 2h @Ryans_Rovers Yep, it's been delayed until Friday
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Shanagar
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Don't know about Adelaide's 35 degrees today, but back to 19 tomorrow, and a showery, cool 20 degrees for the match on Sunday.
The team will hardly know they've left Perth, (aside from the more obvious change in excitement and pace of life).
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Glory Recruit
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hotrod
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You're kidding me??????? What was wrong with the old surface???? That new turf has to knit and settle down in two and a half weeks. [-( Edited by hotrod: 9/10/2013 06:07:43 PM
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GloryPerth
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Oh I know - and the Glory CEO posted that on his twitter (That's where you got it from Iridium ;) hehe), with accompanying 'positive' remarks?! :s
Highly frustrating, at the dawn of this code's season, they are doing this sh*t NOW. Once again, just a reminder, of how disrespectful this is. Clearly Glory have been 'relegated' to secondary tenants in their own venue! Such reward for loyalty. Force move in, and they bend hand over foot - that's why they do this now, because it's in 'Force's off-season' best time 'for them' - NEVERMIND Glory, who have been there more than a decade, play there over a longer period of the year, draw, cumulatively, larger crowds and host more fixtures?
This HAS to change, and surely will, once glory flexes it's growing muscle and clout, with a stronger member base, and higher average crowds. Once Glory rivals Force for memberships and equals or tops them in crowd average (They are only a few thousand above Glory, in the latter regard - 13-14k avg?), then the 'landscape' may change!
Edited by gloryperth: 9/10/2013 06:39:45 PM
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perthjay85
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unfortunately glory have a long way to go to match the force which is a real shame. So it is going to be like this for at least the next 3 seasons.
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libertarian
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perthjay85 wrote:unfortunately glory have a long way to go to match the force which is a real shame. So it is going to be like this for at least the next 3 seasons. Perhaps not. Force are moving backwards quickly and the way the ARU is setup now you can expect them to finish last amongst the Australian teams for a few seasons going forward. So Glory might not be able to easily match Force's current crowds going forward, but we wont have to, because the Force will probably be further away from those figures in a few years.
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Tana making the most out of Sage's rental money again, I see.
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perthjay85
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libertarian wrote:perthjay85 wrote:unfortunately glory have a long way to go to match the force which is a real shame. So it is going to be like this for at least the next 3 seasons. Perhaps not. Force are moving backwards quickly and the way the ARU is setup now you can expect them to finish last amongst the Australian teams for a few seasons going forward. So Glory might not be able to easily match Force's current crowds going forward, but we wont have to, because the Force will probably be further away from those figures in a few years. Last 4 years they have finished: 13th, 12th, 14th and 13th. Without confirmation of members numbers they predict there is over 15,000 members. Lets be conservative and we can see there member numbers more than double perth glory members. Which hasn't cracked the 5,000 mark this year. We will be behind for the next 3 seasons at least unless we win the title. Reaching the grand final did very little for glory figures/turnout apart from the first game against the Roar at subiaco. I wish for nothing more than the old glory days with 14,000 people at home games but we are a long way from that. Hopefully Edwards playing some local talent and stringing together some solid games we might start climbing to 10,000 people to games regularly.
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Glory Recruit
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GloryPerth wrote:Oh I know - and the Glory CEO posted that on his twitter (That's where you got it from Iridium ;) hehe), with accompanying 'positive' remarks?! :s [/i] ;) ill race you to post those updated membership figures tomorrow;)
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GloryPerth
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lol Ok, Iridium - though you will probably beat me - I'll probably sleep in with day off tomorrow on back of long evening at work and now posting & browsing here. :p libertarian wrote:perthjay85 wrote:unfortunately glory have a long way to go to match the force which is a real shame. So it is going to be like this for at least the next 3 seasons. Perhaps not. Force are moving backwards quickly and the way the ARU is setup now you can expect them to finish last amongst the Australian teams for a few seasons going forward. So Glory might not be able to easily match Force's current crowds going forward, but we wont have to, because the Force will probably be further away from those figures in a few years. Indeed, that is what I was partially angling at too. Force's crowds have slid since S1 and now sustain around a 13-14k average. That is not THAT superior to Glory, either generally and especially not historically, especially during Glory's 'Glory Days'! Glory could well break through to the double digit, 10k crowd average mark this season, for the first time in it's A-League history and IF it can achieve that, then they will be inching ever closer to not only being 'the Glory of old' but re-claiming their status as the top team/franchise in this venue. edit: PerthJay, I checked before and this season Force only drew the following crowds: 12,784 hosting the Cheetahs. 11,543 hosting the Rebels 16,758 hosting the Crusaders. 11,972 hosting the Reds. 12,652 hosting the Sharks. 12,508 hosting the Highlanders. 10,198 hosting the Waratahs. 11,000 hosting the Brumbies. = ~12,427 crowd average. Far from superior to what Glory even drew last season (8840 apparently? Nib had reducced capacity for a period), let alone their A-League record, 9,734 (S1) and all-time Club Record which is 13,500 upwards to 14-16kish (1997-2001)? Glory's 'Glory Days' are very comparable to Force's earlier/better crowd averages at the stadium. FTR I'm not one for bashing Union - I prefer Union to League and support our fellow second tier code in this state, in our bigger battle against AFL for media space. They aren't bad co-tenants to have either. Working together, we have stronger 'collective clout' - hence improved venue. It's more the govt. and/or Allia - whoever responsible for arranging these things. It could quite simply be 'done better' and in a way which would affect Glory far less. Other obstacles and long term issues too have really tested Glory's patience. Edited by gloryperth: 10/10/2013 05:35:40 AM
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Quote:http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1169785/Youthful-Glory-excites-Burns#Youthful Glory excites Burns9 October 2013  Real excitement ... Perth Glory captain Jacob Burns (Getty Images) Perth Glory captain Jacob Burns says it's the first time in a long time the A-League club has assembled a group of quality young players and a bright future is apparent. Burns was part of Glory's only A-League grand final appearance in 2011-2012. Less than a year later, Perth was a club in turmoil, after a run of eight win-less matches last season sparked the sacking of coach Ian Ferguson, with star players Billy Mehmet, Jesse Makarounas and Bas van den Brink leaving mid-season. Replacement coach Alistair Edwards gave the club an instant lift, guiding Glory off the bottom of the table and into a surprise finals experience. Edwards has set about building for the longer term, ushering in youth to replace the likes of experienced players Liam Miller, Dean Heffernan and Nick Ward. National under-age representatives Jamie Maclaren, 20, and Edwards's son Ryan, 21, have joined exciting 16 year-old Daniel De Silva, who made his A-League debut with the club late last season. "There's some real excitement I think, real excitement around the direction the club's heading," Burns said. "For the first time I think in a long while there's some very good young talent and you can see where the future's heading." While acknowledging Glory is rebuilding, Burns insisted it can still challenge for the championship. "Every team has got to go into a season believing they can do it," Burns said. Young attacking players Maclaren, Edwards and De Silva could be particularly important early in the season. Veteran attacker Travis Dodd is out long-term as he recovers from a knee injury, and New Zealand international striker Shane Smeltz won't return from a hip injury until round four. "It gives an opportunity for some young guys to shine and stamp their name on the game," Burns said. "We've created a culture at the club where they're confident in the right manner and they're going out there to express themselves playing within our team structure." Following from above, I believe it won't take that much to get Glory's crowds to 11-12k or so abouts, Edwards' coaching regime, improved work on the membership front, and the wider trends/popularity of the A-League at present, will all help. Good football, bringing through the local lads (Lead by young star De Silva) and 'results/success' will see some of that shine return to Glory. As Jacob Burns said recently, there is a buzz like never before now - everyone can feel it I think. As soon as Edwards came in, the changes he introduced, he's put a real bringing back old school stamp on the club. The kind of positive influence on the club Glory has not seen in it's A-League years. Nothing like 'Back to the Future'. Edwards, Naven and Miller in the coaching fold, West Aussies, young and old, coming through and hitting it off. You can tell on the field too, the team is more motivated than ever and that's inpart due to the better balance of youth and experience. Better balance between local boys and players from outside the state. Far less 'the team of veteran mercs from over East, seeking their pension' Glory were once known as. Players, younger players, have genuine opportunity under this coach, so no player is safe in their position, unlike before. And ofcourse the coach himself, how he has the team set up, football they are playing - that will get the punters back. Especially if that football sustains and Glory develop the culture and reputation kind of like how Roar are now. Roar aren't a 'team of stars' they are a 'star team' and it's the quality of their football and their subsequently sustained success, which is bringing the punters back! Edited by gloryperth: 10/10/2013 05:49:06 AM
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Western Force are facing a slow painful death. Continual underperformance since their inception. Remember they started off with about 16,000 members (from memory), getting 30,000+ at Subiaco Oval and had the highest attendance average of the Australian clubs. Where are they now? 12k average at NIB?
NIB venue management has shafted us for a while now but I don't feel that Glory is threatened by the Force.
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perthjay85
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GloryPerth wrote:lol Ok, Iridium - though you will probably beat me - I'll probably sleep in with day off tomorrow on back of long evening at work and now posting & browsing here. :p libertarian wrote:perthjay85 wrote:unfortunately glory have a long way to go to match the force which is a real shame. So it is going to be like this for at least the next 3 seasons. Perhaps not. Force are moving backwards quickly and the way the ARU is setup now you can expect them to finish last amongst the Australian teams for a few seasons going forward. So Glory might not be able to easily match Force's current crowds going forward, but we wont have to, because the Force will probably be further away from those figures in a few years. Indeed, that is what I was partially angling at too. Force's crowds have slid since S1 and now sustain around a 13-14k average. That is not THAT superior to Glory, either generally and especially not historically, especially during Glory's 'Glory Days'! Glory could well break through to the double digit, 10k crowd average mark this season, for the first time in it's A-League history and IF it can achieve that, then they will be inching ever closer to not only being 'the Glory of old' but re-claiming their status as the top team/franchise in this venue. edit: PerthJay, I checked before and this season Force only drew the following crowds: 12,784 hosting the Cheetahs. 11,543 hosting the Rebels 16,758 hosting the Crusaders. 11,972 hosting the Reds. 12,652 hosting the Sharks. 12,508 hosting the Highlanders. 10,198 hosting the Waratahs. 11,000 hosting the Brumbies. = ~12,427 crowd average. Far from superior to what Glory even drew last season (8840 apparently? Nib had reducced capacity for a period), let alone their A-League record, 9,734 (S1) and all-time Club Record which is 13,500 upwards to 14-16kish (1997-2001)? Glory's 'Glory Days' are very comparable to Force's earlier/better crowd averages at the stadium. FTR I'm not one for bashing Union - I prefer Union to League and support our fellow second tier code in this state, in our bigger battle against AFL for media space. They aren't bad co-tenants to have either. Working together, we have stronger 'collective clout' - hence improved venue. It's more the govt. and/or Allia - whoever responsible for arranging these things. It could quite simply be 'done better' and in a way which would affect Glory far less. Other obstacles and long term issues too have really tested Glory's patience. Edited by gloryperth: 10/10/2013 05:35:40 AM All fair points and I am with you I am not rubbishing the Force at all. I am quite the fan. But our attendances are falling a long way short of the force. there is 50% more people at force games than glory, and that average is probably taking into account the first game against the roar which will probably put the average even less. When I said 14k I was referring to the NSL days when perth oval was packed and 400 to 500 kids were running around the old eastern grand stand. We have a long way to go. So unless we win the title this year I see us being behind the Force for the next 3 seasons at least and having things like this resurfacing happening at this time of the year.
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perthjay85
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another point wasn't the last force home game in mid July?
What has been happening for the last few months that meant they couldn't resurface the oval?
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Nate
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Clearly the Wildcats are now the dominant team after the AFL teams! ;)
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Nate
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The Western Force should be paranoid that they're in danger of falling behind an *indoor* sport with even more ludicrous ticket prices than they have.
As for Perth Glory, I'm still staggered we finished not just behind, but well behind, an NBL team. Yes, admittedly a team that is the NBL's answer to Melbourne Victory, but still. Outdoor sport, we really shouldn't be getting taken over like that.
On another note, there will be so much angst if the Eagles fall behind the Dockers crowd average next year.
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perthjay85
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on a positive glory are on an upward spiral with new coach, players and new stands, Eagles and dockers have sort of stalled. Force are declining. Wildcats can't really get much bigger seeing as there already one of the top two teams in the league.
Glory will be 3rd behind the Dockers and Eagles within 4 years. And if we win a championship sooner we will be ahead of them even quicker. Also with a nice new stadium it is going to help the Glory.
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Nate
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I am looking forward to the new grandstand providing a positive impact, now that the amenities are in place. I'm just hoping we can get something to get attention in the next two games, get people to the game in week 3 and get them impressed by the new stadium upgrades. Membership packs then fly out the door.
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Nate
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Although plainly, it didn't help the Force very much. But then, I think after the length of time they've been in the comp for almost nothing but defeat after defeat, even at home, it's hard to see anything bar a taste of success having an effect.
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I think I heard they were giving away 500? juniors tickets to the first home game so that could really help with people coming to see the new grand stand.
Edited by perthjay85: 10/10/2013 12:43:54 PM
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perthjay85
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I was right at first when I put 5,000 tickets (I just thought that was awfully high)
5,000 tickets are being sent out to junior football clubs.
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Nate wrote:As for Perth Glory, I'm still staggered we finished not just behind, but well behind, an NBL team. Have you seen how much advertising goes into promoting the Wildcats? The CBD is plastered with massive banners, buses and bus stops have posters, big ads in the paper, radio advertising. They play at Perth Arena now, which means a stream of supporters wearing Wildcats apparel walking through Forrest Chase and the CBD maximising exposure. That level of exposure coupled with their consistent success, I can't see how you'd be surprised at them having far more support. Towing a board around Vic Park saying 'come to NiB to see the Glory' just doesn't compete (plus the Wildcats also do this sort of advertising, and with a lot more vehicles :P)
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hotrod wrote:You're kidding me??????? What was wrong with the old surface???? That new turf has to knit and settle down in two and a half weeks. [-( Edited by hotrod: 9/10/2013 06:07:43 PM You have to say the small section of the turf that's down is looking mint... :roll:
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we can play down the wings....
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perthjay85 wrote:another point wasn't the last force home game in mid July?
What has been happening for the last few months that meant they couldn't resurface the oval? I'll save you the bother, because as soon as this gets raised you'll get the standard answer: "a later and wetter than usual Winter, so we're a couple of weeks behind, waiting for the Spring sunshine, etc"
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GloryB wrote:we can play down the wings.... Jamieson & Risdon will be killing it!
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perthjay85
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Shanagar wrote:perthjay85 wrote:another point wasn't the last force home game in mid July?
What has been happening for the last few months that meant they couldn't resurface the oval? I'll save you the bother, because as soon as this gets raised you'll get the standard answer: "a later and wetter than usual Winter, so we're a couple of weeks behind, waiting for the Spring sunshine, etc" Yeah you are probably right with that even though that isn't even close to true. There was plenty of time to lay down a new surface with plenty of water and plenty of light mixed into to get the roots established. Oh well lets just push on and hope we don't have a surface like Etihad and injure players.
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