Only just noticed Kosto on the opposition teamsheet, he certainly has dropped down a level or two going by the final scoreline

And onto the weather, because we've a few warm days coming up.

A 4.00pm kick-off can not happen in Perth in mid/late December.

Today's maximum was 32C at 3.40pm, and was 31.3C at 4.00pm.
Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all expected to be 38C (and warmer on Monday).
In addition, today's UV index was listed as extreme for the hours till 4.30pm.

The FFA insist a repeat of a few weeks ago will not be allowed to happen again.
You simply can not gamble with weather like this.
There is precious little difference between the temperature at 2.00pm and 4.00pm on a hot December day in Perth, as it simply does not cool off that quickly.

Admitted some FFA dropkick nerd will say in a week's time it may be cooler, and you'd like to think it would be.
But this fixture should never go ahead at that kick-off time regardless. It is plain stupidity by the fwits organising things.
I'm sure it will be another example of just how serious the FFA are about there workplace obligations.

So, can someone tell me the real kick-off time, since 6.30pm still appears on different sources.

Was miles better than the the vast majority of his team. Apparently he was trialling, I think he doesn't have any concern as to whether they'd want him :lol:

International relations, build the club in Asia etc.

Also serves as a match practice training drill for the squad.

http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/4021/a-league/2013/12/13/4476283/alistair-edwards-a-no-show-after-perth-glory-bust-up

Good on the club captain, someone had to say it.

Even if he was right, and he's not, you do not say that shit in front of the whole dressing room, especially not as Captain! No, not good on him, shame on Burns, he's put his foot in it massively.

You don't believe in honesty in the dressing room? been rumours for weeks that players are getting tired of team selection. You don't think we needed Burnsy on the pitch tonight? You don't think Zahra deserved a start after a goal and an assit last week? you think De Silva deserved only 5 minutes today?

If you are a captain you have honesty with the gaffer in private.

You do not air it in front of the squad. If you cannot keep that straight, you cannot keep the armband, it is as simple as that.

And why on earth would we want Burns on to chase a game!?

Edited by Nate: 14/12/2013 03:34:20 AM

This begs the question, what is the captains role in the dressing room? Is it in professional to present the squad's concerns to the gaffer in front of the squad (whom he represents)? To be honest, I'm not sure, I'm just interested to hear people's thoughts.

I've had my several posts rant about the 'reported' Burns incident. I GUESS we SHOULD presume a man is innocent till proven guilty and I abide by that...

But if so, such behaviour from ANY of your players, especially your senior players, let alone CAPTAIN, is inexcusable, at the least - BURNS OUT and any more to follow, if need be. Though FTR I think when push comes to shove, truth is revealed, Burns will be a sad, solitary figure in this regard! [-x

Edit: Nate, I absolutely freaking agree with you! =d> =d> =d>

It's just bleeding bloody common sense, old school wisdom!

I'd go so far as to label such behaviour as egregious!

Edited by gloryperth: 14/12/2013 06:25:07 AM

Its all Ljubo's fault.

Coaches decisions re subs and starting elevens cause ire amongst fans (and players) the world over. Someone is always going to be unhappy, it just gets a bit more brutal if the team doesn't win.

Ali has been making lots of subs and giving lots of different players game time. It was harsh on Zahra to miss out on the squad, but Harold had a blinder last week and Nagai is fit again. Ali has talked Zahra up in pre season and whilst he hasn't got that much time, I would have thought he has shown some confidence in him.

Amen.

Off the pitch, the captain is the bridge between squad and manager; on the pitch he has a responsibility for his players to the referee. He has a responsibility to always conduct himself in a professional manner befitting the role and to set an example for the squad to follow (because they will follow what he does, and if he rebels, they will rebel too). Part of this is the need to show solidarity with the manager, because he is the boss whose will must flow down to the squad.

If there is a complaint to air with the gaffer, you do it later, in his office; that would be his right as captain. However, it is unprofessional in the extreme to air it in an open forum in front of the squad as it undermines the authority of the manager. Praise in public, criticise in private counts upwards as well as downwards. Even if the playing squad has deputised him to bring their concerns to the manager, it still takes place behind closed doors, because you simply cannot have the captain and manager at each other's throats in front of the people they are meant to lead.

The captain should be a leader and set an example for the others to follow. Airing your dirty laundry with the coach in front of everyone else in the team is not the right way to act.

In a perfect world you would rather any captain or player air some grievances privately to the manager. It would be abit harder to do if said manager has signed 2 of his sons to play for the team and one of the sons couldn't take a golden opportunity. There aren't many places in the world where that would be accepted. I think the media are giving the Edwards' family a free ride here.

Also, the captain should be looking out for others. As i said in another thread, Burns' confrontation means Ryan and Cameron will now be constantly thinking the rest of the team hates them.

^ Yes, he created an in-group/out-group schism in the squad at a stroke.

No, the coach did this by picking his sons and continue to play them regardless

:roll:

OK 10 matches in and only 3 wins, 2 of them against teams yet to win a game this season, 1 played of the park but due to penalty we should never have had we won.

Playing poorly, irrational team selections and sudsitutions, crowds dropping, sooky coach refusing to go to press conference because players taking exception to his 2 sons getting too much game time,


Merry Christmas

New squad(and new professional footballers), massive injury list, so why are you surprised where we sit on the ladder.

Crowds haven't dropped at all, our first game was 13.8k with 5k free tickets, our 2nd game was 10k, where we played against ADP, the rest have been 8k+

Not sure you can call Ali sooky because he stayed behind to sort out an argument.

Our style of play has been the most disappointing for me, we went to Victory with little intent on attacking.

Edited by iridium1010: 14/12/2013 11:43:57 PM

One of the News’ tonight had a chat with Edwards who confirms there is a rift with Burns. Pleased that he’s come out with it, saves us from the usual, meaningless glib, clichéd filled response we always get from Burns.
Anyway, Edwards says Burns may play again if the commitment and attitude are right. Will be interesting to see where this heads.
For the record, Ryan is 20 and Cameron 18, and I have no issue with them getting ample game time, and find them no worse than many others playing. Cam I believe has started 3 matches (of 10) this season, and been subbed off in 2 of those, while Ryan has been a starter in all but 1.
Burns on the other hand is coming up for 36 this season. He’s been a good servant for this club, but there is a time when things start to change. In fact, Glory have too often been guilty of slotting ‘the name’ player straight back into the starting lineup, when the incumbents have done little wrong. Perhaps Burns could give Beauchamp at the Wanderers a call to discuss what it’s like.
And defensive or not, Burn’s record still shows 3 goals in 100 games. Don’t forget we threw out Liam Miller for scoring 2 goals in 2 seasons, and I know who is more creative.
I go to each home game now and look forward to what is dished up for better or worse, knowing that we’re trying our youngsters and some will come through and others may not. So have no great expectations of how this season will end up.
And finals excluded, our ladders show 41 wins in 121 games.

You just don't get it do you? He's dragged Ali Edward's sons through the mud in his 'wide spray' at Ali Edwards snr, INFRONT of the squad, the boys themselves - EVERYBODY! Now the mob is set up, lead by ringleader Burns - 'Burn the witches, burn them!' Chief scape-goats, those annoying young boys/'favourites' of the coach I despise!'

Nate and Benjo have tried - But again, in many scenarios, how will 'Ryan and Cameron' cope 'in the playground' now? It's just worse for them, they are swept up in this unpleasantness and whether you go 'Dad's fault for that' or not, it was beneath contempt of Burns, the Captain, to be behaving in that way. Scum creature.

IF players have an issue with that, they take it up with Edwards privately, as mature adults, conducting themselves in a professional and even respectful manner. This is expected in any workplace scenario.

There is NO justification for Burns' remarks, more behaviour, in that dressing room. Entirely motivated by self-serving, selfish, motivations.

I can't even fathom the words, but we've seen this before and it's ugly behaviour, born from ugly feelings. What's involved here are factors like 'Pride', 'Envy', 'Bitterness', 'Hostility', 'grudge-fueled,' 'chip on shoulder', 'cowardess' etc...

IF it's a an issue between Burns and Edwards Snr, then deal with it like a fn man and talk to him an honest, face-to-face in a private setting.

This is the low act of a small man. I don't know Burns, and I hate saying these things, but 'just' on reading these details, inside tidbits, it only reflects negatively on Burns, even the surrounding context.

After this, Burns has got to go and ANY prepared to follow his lead, with such behaviour, we can happily let go too.

The whole scenario is toxic and it starts from the now, should-be, 'former captain' Burns.

In the end, Burns only has himself to blame. Even if he felt something was wrong, that was NOT the way to deal with it!



There is a phrase, a cliche, what is is now... we often hear it from senior players, captains et...

Something along the lines of 'The team comes first'... 'What's best for the team'... etc... But again, you look at that behaviour and what does is smack of?

ME! ME! ME! WA-WA-WA! :-({|=

Get on your bike Burns - bike back across the Nullarbor, from your rich, Ivvory tower here, as a Captain of Perth Glory, a veteran in his mid 30s, to face your reality Burns - that of a Mid-30s peaked veteran, not worth half what he was when signed and who may even struggle to find a club, like how Matt Thompson, Simon Colosimo (Another old Glory 'fave') and co and if he did, expect him often to be in a poorer position, squad wise, than he was at Glory.

Then he will rue his outburst and throwing away the very comfortable existence he had here, all due to pride and other unpleasant, self-centred, traits!

BTW It's for 'sharing' some of these same tendencies sooo many of us SLAM Lucas Neill for, as 'Socceroos Captain' - but this is FAR WORSE!

Edited by gloryperth: 15/12/2013 06:03:28 AM

Getting too worked up at this time of night, after, ironically, a long shift at work... I honestly don't know how people here CAN'T see this - less they're 'too young' and 'inexperienced' in the world, or in 'working life' etc..?

You can EASILY 'transplant' this behaviour to the workplace? Maybe YOUR workplace? How would you feel, THEN?!

I think part of this is, many of us view 'professional sports people' 'differently' as 'removed' and not even 'human' at times. So as too this scenario, perhaps in fair part created by the pedestals we all share in building for such players, to give them that sense of entitlement or what not, that has provoked Burns here?

But again, you are at work, a decent employer (Albeit a bit eccentric), pays your wages regularly - have a reasonable boss with a structure and plan, who both has certain expectations of you aswell as of him, from above, in the hierarchical structure, but same time has made it clear you can ask questions and approach them etc.... Like most professional set ups. Then at one of your 'team meetings' your senior co-worker, after not coming to terms with the boss/management over contract negotiations in private, proceeds to bitch about two of his fellow co-workers, who happen to be sons of the boss, infront of the whole department, staff or what not with a wide spraying, classless, undignified, ill-disciplined remarks and compromises the whole structure, order and harmony of the set up. Just due to his own gripes/dissatisfaction.

I honestly don't know - If people could only translate this scenario to being 'humans' and their own workplace. Yes, some workplaces can be WAYY WORSE, but none-the-less - this is a very good example, of a 'bad example'!

Edited by gloryperth: 15/12/2013 06:04:18 AM

Fck I HAVE seen this in real life and the only ones who LOSE are the 'muck-rakers' themselves. In their own demise, they attempt to sweep up all they can to drag down with them! Oh 'This person is doing that' 'He's probably this' 'They are that' 'He and she are probably' 'They're just... anyway'.

Oh, nevermind 'the work', 'job at hand' which was actually the source of the initial pull up. No, it's 'personal' and the word 'dignity' suddenly goes out the window. TBF In the case I experienced, both first and later second hand, there WAS family involved, initially and that fired the individual up, but 'the gossip' they themselves were fueling (Whcih they delved in generally, all the time) served nobody and only causes pain and 'burns bridges' and causes the kind of sour taste when one might reluctantly consider, then baulk, at bringing them up, where otherwise it could've been soo different. For instance I paint them soo bad, but they really weren't, but the flare up was the kind where they could never return again!

It can be a terrible shame, but these are people's characters and characters under pressure, duress. This is the same in team-sport - the teams are losing, not much luck on their side, injuries etc... And then all the introspection and finger pointing get under way.

Then comes the separating of the cream - those who put up their hands and admit their failings, accept the responsibility, and get their head down to push through that, and those who do everything BUT, including the greatly forbidden 'accusing/blaming others' and 'other things' and even 'misdirecting' and 'blowing things up/getting personal' as I touch on above. You can whinge, whinge, whinge, criticise and gossip soo long, but you get your head down and work hard when things get tough, learn to work 'with' many sorts of people or you continue to do what you feel like and then you get used to moving from job to job, as you have probably done already or starting your own two-bit business.

The transgressions here are not even workplace stuff, but very schoolyard and just in terms of general 'inter-personal' skills etc...

Just, not-cool Burns.





Edited by gloryperth: 15/12/2013 04:25:18 AM

Dare I say, one wonders... how Ljubo may've reacted to this? I doubt Ljubo would've been cool with Burns' remarks. But one also wonders, given Ljubo's fall out with 'Bully' Muscat with his time at Victory and early departure here... I guess Ljubo already 'didn't' last long, for whatever reasons, even if they were for different/seemingly positive reasons?

Maybe Ljubo, at Glory, is a better, if weird, example of a 'more mutual split' or 'split on good terms' even a 'pre-emptive split'? Ljubo, UNLIKE Burns, could ALWAYS come back and the club, Edwards, Naven and co would welcome with relatively warm, open arms - though cautious on the contract terms, I'd bet! :p If Ljubo had 'issues', which he likely had some, he didn't/hasn't aired them and kept it all 'clean' and 'pleasant'. Not a bad word said and all parties moved on swiftly. Which is ironic for Ljubo too, given he's left other clubs or circumstances on 'very bad terms', atleast for a period, before eventually explaining himself, apologising to a degree and most of us, I'm sure, forgiving him? ;)

But even there, in Burns' case, I'm not sure how he will wriggle out of this one - Even if/WHEN he departs, will he ever be able to position himself to 'bury the hatchet' or will this open wound last long, too long and just another occasion where two parties will agree to never associate in any way, again?

Edit:

Hmmm sheds 'new light' 'CONTEXT' to Ljubo's quotes here then? :-k



His early departure at the time DID seem bizarre, even if it WAS Ljubo we were talking about?!

I know most of that part of the interview is very much Ljubo and what not. I know I'm reading between the lines a bit. But with Burns being the long-time Captain of the club and the senior player culture there (Vuka, in his rage, 'shoved/hit' a referee once, remember?).. as he's said numerous times, his personality or what not, he finds it, in his own way, perhaps not unlike Burns 'here' but the opposite reasons, perhaps, to 'fit in' or gel in that 'Thuggish side' of men's pro sports culture (IF Burns' style ISN'T 'The physical side of the game' Ljubo critiques, I don't know what is!). When you got that kind of 'Clique' in the club's leadership group - ALL Eastern States veterans on a good pay day, seeking that one more good pay check, before retirement or what not - And as he said, Ali Edwards, Naven and co, come in, with that culture for the club and seek what's best and 'what's best' is clearly a 'new way' a way different from what's gone and largely failed, before. A 'new way' is required, especially ever moreso with today's A-League and the style and intensity of football now being displayed. The way forward is the way Ange, Arnie, Poppa and co laid/lay out and the clubs are following suit. Those who don't will be left behind.

Glory, through Edwards, NEEDS to be doing what it's doing, to be competitive in this ever evolving landscape. And, a part of that process/puzzle, includes returning to your roots, tapping into the strengths in your own backyard is very much part of that solution, which again, Ange, Arnie, Poppa and others have all employed to good effect!

Edited by gloryperth: 15/12/2013 05:03:58 AM

From last month, here's the alternate way to treat and report, and we move on to next week.

Popovic was also coy over his skipper Michael Beauchamp, who was a surprise omission from the side that beat the Heart. The in-form Beauchamp was left out to give Socceroos defender Matthew Spiranovic his club debut.

Asked why Beauchamp was dropped last weekend, Popovic said: "Michael's done nothing wrong - he's played well. It was just a decision that was made and it's not due to form.

"It was a decision made for that game and he understands that. "I'm sure he'll be prepared and if he gets the opportunity this week, he'll continue on with the great form he's shown so far.

"We'll see what happens this week, we'll all prepare well and we'll finalise the squad closer to the game."

Prepare yourselves for bad news this week, I wouldn't be surprised if A Edwards is gone.