AndyToddsElbow
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So are people still trying to claim that Lowe is just there because he's the "incumbent"? http://www.news.com.au/sport/football/graham-arnold-pulls-out-of-race-to-coach-perth-glory-leaving-kenny-lowe-as-favourite/story-fneghpqv-1226889921884They would prefer Lowe over any other Australian option. I think it says everything about this "world wide search". Rockypigs wrote: Seems like no one really knows whats going on. The Glory motto under Tony Sage. Begbie wrote:Rockypigs wrote:GloryB wrote:who tweeted it? I can't believe that they would seriously consider Lowe... even if they think he's good, appointing him would put the club under HUGE pressure. With Burns on the selection panel, jobs for the boys could still be on the cards. Esp if Lowe gets the job and Burns ends up as an assistant coach. If you want talk about Jobs for the boys you could start with mentioning Ali Edwards gave jobs to his 2 sons, their mate, a kid from their home club Cockburn also a couple of old buddies who used to play with him 'back in the day' now there is an example of Jobs for the boys. You never grow up. :lol: Mitchell and Ferguson were giving jobs to their favourites, c'mon Fergie's BBQs?:lol: Sage was giving all the off-field jobs to his mates/partners too. His favourite player? Entrenched as the captain for 5 seasons despite shit performances. It didn't all start with Edwards like you keep trying to postulate.
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hotrod
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World wide search and then go for the cheapest option. Sage will just end up blaming Bozza. So sick of this fucking circus at Glory. Guess what we'll all be talking about this time next year????? Looking for a new coach with the assistant, Burns to be appointed. You heard it here first.
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Eastern Glory
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If we sign Arnie, and Finkler goes to WSW, Nick Carle to Glory.
You heard it here first ;)
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Eastern Glory
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RedKat wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:If we sign Arnie, and Finkler goes to WSW, Nick Carle to Glory.
You heard it here first ;) How are any related? Was being a bit optimistic :lol: IMO Carle will be at WSW next season, as he won't stay at Sydney and his family are already set up in Stanhope Gardens. However, with all these Finkler rumours, I think WSW would take Finkler over Carle (IF he's available). Arnie probably won't end up at Glory, but if he did, he'd be after a CAM straight away. The guy relies heavily on that 10/7 position heavily and would need a quality CAM at Perth. Therefore: When Farina re-signs for Sydney, and Finkler goes to WSW, Arnie will sign for Perth and bring Nick Carle over. [-o< :lol:
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GloryPerth
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So much, IMHO, 'Too-much' talk over Arnie - as if he the only or surely 'the best' candidate. Even with recent rumours suggesting he out of the running, still talk of it. No doubt he'd be a leading candidate, if he were/remained in the running - but 'presuming' that he is out of the equation - it doesn't necessarily have to end up as Lowe either?! Despite how the club handle that side of the 'messaging' too, there were also rumours in a recent article (The one ATE posted above) suggesting the two foreign candidates were 'a Spanish coach and a former youth coach at Dutch club PSV Eindhoven' - putting aside the other suggestions over Lowe being a forerunner with just one of those two, Arnie pulling out and what not - those two candidates, or atleast one of them, sound as if they COULD be pretty good?! The latter, atleast, would be a pro-licenced UEFA equivalent coach and in our book and from the A-League's own experience, that pre-requisite, when met, has seen a suitable calibre of foreign coaches hit these shores (Littbarski, Lavicka, JVS & Gombau) aswell as calibre of successful Aussie appointees (Ange, Arnie, Merrick and others who have or are working on, their pro-licence).
I guess we naturally prepare for the supposed worst case, most pessimistic, scenario and perhaps with good reason, given Glory's prior context. But hopefully still, they can still surprise us and perhaps the two foreign choices are more than the 25% chances that the above article suggested? Though heck - careful what we wish for - the foreign guy could even be 'another Rini Coolen' or the like to the extent some of us would've rather had Lowe, in hindsight (Especially if, like Coolen, any big pay outs are involved, down the track? :/).
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Shanagar
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I still fail to see any point in considering Lowe for the job. His efforts were far less than acceptable with the time he had and the squad he had. And that was even after strengthening it to ensure a decent crack at the finals. Avoiding the spoon suddenly became the criteria for success, so he's been given the 'reasonable job' tag. Crap. The 2 teams below us lost both lost their final matches at home to ensure our safety. Thank goodness we didn't need to rely on a final match win, 'cause we failed there. As pointed out, many will not be back if Lowe is appointed, and the club rolls on knowing that 5,000 of us will front each week regardless. Alas, I will be one of them.
The mention of Carle hopefully gets short shift. We do not need another aging 32+ inconsistent midfielder popping into his umpteenth club in his umpteenth year. The decent players are good enough to get offers to stay for a time at one club. We need the consistent, defence unlocking midfielder who can set things up, plus can score half a dozen goals a season.
And on goals, this really sums up our season. 27 matches, our joint Golden Boot winners are going to walk out at the MGP awards with ... 4 goals. And McGarry almost snatched it outright with his 3 penalties included! 26 players across the other 9 teams scored 5 or more for the season, and Miller even got 3 in Brissy. Would any team in a national football competition anywhere in the world ever have a golden boot winner such as this?
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hotrod
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Shanagar wrote:I still fail to see any point in considering Lowe for the job. His efforts were far less than acceptable with the time he had and the squad he had. And that was even after strengthening it to ensure a decent crack at the finals. Avoiding the spoon suddenly became the criteria for success, so he's been given the 'reasonable job' tag. Crap. The 2 teams below us lost both lost their final matches at home to ensure our safety. Thank goodness we didn't need to rely on a final match win, 'cause we failed there. As pointed out, many will not be back if Lowe is appointed, and the club rolls on knowing that 5,000 of us will front each week regardless. Alas, I will be one of them.
The mention of Carle hopefully gets short shift. We do not need another aging 32+ inconsistent midfielder popping into his umpteenth club in his umpteenth year. The decent players are good enough to get offers to stay for a time at one club. We need the consistent, defence unlocking midfielder who can set things up, plus can score half a dozen goals a season.
And on goals, this really sums up our season. 27 matches, our joint Golden Boot winners are going to walk out at the MGP awards with ... 4 goals. And McGarry almost snatched it outright with his 3 penalties included! 26 players across the other 9 teams scored 5 or more for the season, and Miller even got 3 in Brissy. Would any team in a national football competition anywhere in the world ever have a golden boot winner such as this? The point in considering Lowe for the job......he's cheap. He will be the coach and the simple choice will save Sage $100Ks. Those hoping otherwise need their heads read. We will all be back here in 12 months discussing the very same problem. The next coach will be the temporary coach, probably the assistant. We all know who that will be. :lol:
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mate after reading all this babble about who Glory should sign for their next season manager something has become apparent that a.. WA team can not rely on Eastern States coaches or any influence from the Eastern States or FFA. That Perth Glory needs to find its own solution to its own problem and that no help may ever come from anyone of the likes of GA or any player from the vic sydney or the otherwise..
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Eastern Glory
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Gents,
I'm looking for a list of our players coming off contract At the end of the season, can anyone pull one up?
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A16Man
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Eastern Glory wrote:Gents,
I'm looking for a list of our players coming off contract At the end of the season, can anyone pull one up? SFCU are usually pretty good with contract lists. http://sfcu.com.au/smf202/index.php?topic=20008.125
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hotrod
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highkick05 wrote:mate after reading all this babble about who Glory should sign for their next season manager something has become apparent that a..
WA team can not rely on Eastern States coaches or any influence from the Eastern States or FFA. That Perth Glory needs to find its own solution to its own problem and that no help may ever come from anyone of the likes of GA or any player from the vic sydney or the otherwise..
Yes and No. First problem is get an owner who knows how to run a club. Second is, then run the club properly.
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I am pretty sure they are:
Smeltz McGarry Zahra Dodd Gallas Sernas (loan can be terminated) R Edwards (loan ends) and of course, Burns.
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Surely Bosnich wouldn't recommend Lowe….
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GloryPerth
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Eastern Glory wrote:Gents,
I'm looking for a list of our players coming off contract At the end of the season, can anyone pull one up? EG - ATE posted one a few pages back. ;)
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GloryPerth
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The thing with Lowe is, he seems well regarded, given his experience with the NTS, one of the leading coaches in WA's football system perhaps, especially at the elite youth level. He's experienced in that regard, despite lacking A-League experience. When considering the 'Pro-licence as a minimum' thing, he probably 'qualifies' under that criteria too - It's frustrated to a degree seeing the formula for A-League success (If there is one) inpart involved having a coach who was 'Pro-Licence' qualified/studying, here or abroad - from Ange, Arnie and co to Gombau and co. Not these A or heck even 'B' guys like Fergie initially was - The fully licensed, 'graduates' if you like, of the system! I get the impression, Lowe is one of those. Also - despite 'results telling no lies', that was arguably coming from very unenviable circumstances and the top-down (Sage & Brewer) short-termism that inevitably followed to 'save the season' lead to the decisions we saw and too the outcomes. The role had become a poisoned chalice after the Edwards debacle and it was never going to be easy or arguably even 'possible' to steady that train wreck, not this season. The second half of the season was just waiting it out, for the necessary and overdue clean out of some of these now toxic elements within the squad. That process now already under way, retirements and departures happening. Lowe, despite his line ups and even earlier media focus on 'young players' did eventually concede later that it was not the young players fault, who tried their hardest and so obviously conceded, diplomatically, that the fault again lied with the more senior core of the team. We now see some of those players departing. Lowe 'could' surprise us all - He's made the 'right noises' in regards to what needs to be done and once he can properly shape this squad and mould it as his own, we may see the better football and more opportunities afforded to O'Neill and co, going forward? Burns, Dodds, R Edwards, Sernas etc... are already departing and they will be far from the only ones - the days of Smeltz, Gallas, McGarry and possibly even others, are surely numbered too - less they can hang on and somehow seriously impress the new coaching regime. But Smeltz has lost some motivation IMHO and doesn't seem to fit our tactical, let alone 'financial' demands going forward either. Gallas hasn't been worth the bang for the bucks dished out either. Cutting those two alone would shrink the squad budget and perhaps finally relieve Sage of his concerns/excuses over wage costs here. Glory don't need an expensive Marquee, they just need a decent coach with a decent functioning team, featuring a few locals within/about it! Though again, going by the article - the two 'superior' foreigners could still be a 50% chance (Between them), atleast?! :p Krusen wrote:Surely Bosnich wouldn't recommend Lowe…. It's about the best candidate and we don't truly know the 'qualities' of the Spanish or Dutch guys either. One of them 'could' be the superior candidate of the trio, or maybe, somehow, Lowe is - but that's why we employ the likes of Bozza for technical consultation/advice in this regard. They atleast bring the 'informed eye' to the end part of this process. I guess it's still, 'In Bozza we Trust'? Edited by GloryPerth: 21/4/2014 06:01:10 PM
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hotrod
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Krusen wrote:Surely Bosnich wouldn't recommend Lowe…. He hasn't. He has had input into the selection process, probably giving input into the final 3 to 6 choices. The final choice is between 3 where Lowe will be appointed because he is: a) a known quantity b) cheap c) less risky Sage will then go onto blame Bozza next season when the season goes tits up about round 9, just before Chrissy time.
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Lowe to be named on Tuesday, only Glory could go from a club low to an even greater Lowe in 6 months.
What a fuck up, sack everyone.
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Iridium1010 wrote:Lowe to be named on Tuesday, only Glory could go from a club low to an even greater Lowe in 6 months.
What a fuck up, sack everyone.
Edited by iridium1010: 21/4/2014 10:57:27 PM Quote:Kenny Lowe is expected to be handed the vacant Perth Glory job on a full-time basis on Tuesday as the club focuses on youth development in the years ahead.
Glory leads the hunt for ArnoldGallas hungry for lost Glory days Lowe – given the reins on a temporary basis following the acrimonious exit of Alistair Edwards in December- will be officially handed the baton with the club to make a formal announcement after sifting through a host of candidates including several from overseas.
Highly regarded in Western Australia for his work in youth development, Lowe also convinced Glory owner Tony Sage of his A-League credentials by sparking a late season revival which saw Perth win two of its last three games to finish eighth on the ladder.
Sage refused to confirm that Lowe had received the nod on Monday night, but did confirm the club‘s focus will be on producing, rather than poaching, young talent in the seasons to come.
Sage also revealed that controversial French striker Nicolas Anelka has been touted to Glory but that “there was no interest” in making signings until a new coach is appointed.
“I was contacted last Thursday and replied that it’s up to our new coach what he wants to do – whether he wants a marquee or wants to continue on with our policy of developing youth players," he explained. “Anelka would be a great acquisition for any club in Australia, but whether he would fit into our structure under the new coach, I don’t know.
“But I think it would be hard to sway the board because we want to continue on with our youth policy – and we want a coach who will take us in that direction."
Lowe took over amid player unrest during Edwards’ short stint, and with key striker Shane Smeltz out for long periods and consistency hard to come by, his record of four wins, four draws and nine defeats showed how tough the transition was.
But Sage – and his board – have seen enough promise in his methods to place their trust in him after top choice, Graham Arnold, opted not to apply for the job.
“It’s a shame he didn’t want to throw his hat in the ring. We had a long chat and he didn’t want to do anything so soon after Japan where he had a tough time," explained Sage.
“For us, there was a sense of urgency because we could lose up to nine players and want to be in a position to offer deals to other players domestically and overseas straight away.
“Arnie couldn’t make that commitment and I respect his decision.”
On the path ahead, Sage added: “We played more under-21 year olds than any other A-League team this season – and had seven in our starting line-up twice.
“The likes of Matt Davies, Riley Woodcock and Jack Clisby have all had 10 games odd now and that's good for the club going forward.”
Sage is keen to follow the model set by Central Coast Mariners in moulding youngsters who then go on to big money moves overseas – just like teenage midfielder Daniel De Silva whose $1 million plus transfer to Serie A giant Roma should be confirmed later this week.
Also likely to leave is 36-year-old French defender William Gallas, who despite voicing his desire to stay, has, according to Sage, substantial offers from Asia and is unlikely to be at nib Stadium next season.
The same applies to midfielder Steve McGarry, 33, who could be heading for Malaysia.
“In the next three to five years we would like to be like a Central Coast where we are still strong but we are in the habit of selling players on overseas," said Sage.
“We already have three or four players on the radar in Woodcock, Davies, Clisby and even Josh Risdon.
"A lot of scouts watching our games.
“The way things are shaping up, we could have the youngest squad in the A League next year.” http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1187326/Lowe-to-be-named-Glory-boss
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Well, I guess I was attempting to mentally prepare myself for the apparent 'inevitable' for all you cynics - I guess Hotrod and co you told us so... though it was just an article and the fat lady hasn't sung yet!
Heck, Bozza, in the aftermath/fall-out - please share with us what exactly your role and input into this process was? And like Foster and co at Adelaide, was it taken on-board or just plain ignored?! We need to know!
Shayne Hope and co, it will be your time to shine soon - chase him up as we need answers!
Atleast that article indicates that the also inevitable clear-out is continuing - Gallas all-but confirmed to be leaving, no surprise. McGarry all-but confirmed his time here is up. Smeltz wasn't mentioned directly but his position clearly remains tenuous - he's no longer 'Marquee worthy' that's for sure. And it seems the mantra is re-inforced that the youngsters 'trialled' this season should and will be endeavoured with. Hopefully that includes the likes of Brandon O'Neill given the chance in midfield, filling the void of Burns or McGarry. A DM combo of R.Griffiths and O'Neill could be very promising?
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It seems Bosnich just gave his opinion on some of the coaches he or his contacts knew.
Even I didn't think we'd actually sign Lowe :lol: :lol: holy shit, we are bad.
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hotrod
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See you guys here in 12 months time discussing the same bullshit. ](*,)
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A16Man
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He might end up delivering the goods for all we know, but idk what he has done since taking over to even still be in the running for the top job.
Edited by A16Man: 21/4/2014 11:33:44 PM
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A16Man wrote:He might end up delivering the goods for all we know, but idk what he has done since taking over to even still be in the running for the top job.
Edited by A16Man: 21/4/2014 11:33:44 PM Basically the only thing of note is that gif of him dancing on the sideline.
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Pr1mo
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I'm hoping that they're only signing Lowe in the hoe they can get Arnold for the following year (or once Lowe is sacked in November/December).
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What do you think are the chances of fan violence? There are already people on twitter saying they know where Lowe and Sage live. :?
This could go beyond Perth Glory and damage Football in Australia.
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LOL no one will do anything
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Shanagar
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I would hope this wouldn't be true. Although Easter Bunnies and appointing Lowe at the same time would be consistent.
Good article to throw in a few figures. I'll write my article with these ones:
'Late season revival' winning 2 games out of our final 3. Which means we won 2 games out of our final 13. Be a few managers around the world who would love to be reappointed on those stats.
Our successful Away record for the season was 1 win and 1 draw against the powerhouse that is Newcastle. Plus, another 2 draws against the equally strong powerhouse that is Wellington. Yep, that was it. Let's not worry about the other 7 teams.
And now we may have this really young team for the future. Would our < 21 keeper Duncan have got any game time at all without Danny packing up and leaving the country because of F1dave's twittering? Would our < 21 Clisby, Davies and Woodcock seen much at all without long term injuries of Jamieson and Risdon. Would our < 21 Harold and McClaren got much time if we continued a 1 striker game plan with a fully fit Smeltz. And we see a consistent refusal to give much game time to < 21 DDS, who others outside the club can see has some talent. Then we brought in all > 21 Griffiths, Sernas and Marinkovic, plus Gallas was an afterthought.
I've seen nothing in what Lowe has done to indicate any resemblance of a youth policy that - like him or not - Edwards had clearly started. Time and time again, the only way Glory discover talent is by accident when forced into playing youngsters as a last resort, then run around patting themselves on the back at the opportunity they gave them. That is not anywhere near a youth policy.
Maybe I'll get surprised, and give anyone a go for long enough they may come good. But we've had too long waiting for the 'come good' bit.
It is going to be a very long Winter in my book.
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Eastern Glory
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I'm absolute furious, but we have to give Kenny time.
Points to think about for next season:
-No Burns -$200 000 freed up by Dodd retiring - Gallas, Smeltz and McGarry all possibly leaving - Another off season of physical maturity for; DDS, Maclaren, Harold, Woodcock, Clisby, Davies and Duncan - A full pre-season with a new look side - Plenty of quality Australian players available - we have cap space to burn
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Eastern Glory wrote:I'm absolute furious, but we have to give Kenny time.
Points to think about for next season:
-No Burns -$200 000 freed up by Dodd retiring - Gallas, Smeltz and McGarry all possibly leaving - Another off season of physical maturity for; DDS, Maclaren, Harold, Woodcock, Clisby, Davies and Duncan - A full pre-season with a new look side - Plenty of quality Australian players available - we have cap space to burn - Burns will be at the club (in a coaching role just ready for the next interim) - to be replaced with some old injured hack, no doubt - don't worry, I'm sure Glory can find similar replacements and destroy their careers - the only physical maturity for DDS will be growing another inch on the pine - just like this season heh??? - that will only come to Glory as a last resort - and burn Sage will, on some toys I have no optimism for next season. This could have bee the opportunity for a full reset, but instead it will just be another wasted 12 months. Come the end of next season Glory will be in the exactly the same boat. Sage has not learnt from his past mistakes. The whole club is like a festering sore. It can't get better with little bits of attempted fixes. There needs to be wholesale changes at every level. This will not happen with the current ownership.
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Kenny had over half a season of time for fans to get on board, why should, just because he's now there officially as full time coach, should he get time?
He coached Glory to a winless streak as long as the one that finally got Ferguson sacked. He coached Glory to narrowly missing out on the Spoon thanks to other results. He was the one who brought in two visa players and Rostyn to push for the finals, and fail. He was the coach who met going on about what the fuss is, here's plenty of games to go, incorrectly knowing how far back we were, then constantly bagging out the youth and using them as a piñata at every press conference.
That's just looking at Kenny alone as a coach, without even touching what his appointment stands for overall.
Also another season of maturity from DDS will mean squat. He's all but sold. What he does next season means nothing for the future of Glory.
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