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CH this is the main regards the Concorde Agreement :

The Concorde Agreement is a contract between the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), the Formula One teams and the Formula One Administration. The Concorde Agreement defines the agreement about how the teams race, and how the money is divided up. The money includes the television revenue and prize money.

There have been six Concorde Agreements since 1981. The terms of all of the agreements have been kept a secret. The secrecy was broken by racing journalist Forrest Bond when the 1997 Concorde Agreement was published in 2006 by RaceFax.[1]

The basic requirements of the agreements are to be professional and to increase the success of Formula One. The biggest requirement of the teams to participate in every race. This makes Formula One better for the broadcasters. Broadcasters spend a large amount of money to televise the races. In return for racing, the teams were guaranteed a percentage of the sport's revenue.

I'm not sure the principles have changed much to date.
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3 things I'd be changing (amongst many others):

1. More teams. The Concorde Agreement stifles competition and besides Ferrari, McLaren, Williams (and I suppose Red Bull) it seems like near every other team on the grid keeps getting bought out every season or 2, and it makes it harder for a casual fan to follow along. Plus, more teams means more cars, more opportunities for genuinely talented drivers and the next Colin Chapman/ Adrian Newey to shake things up. Sure, there'll be the odd USF1/ Andrea Moda/ Life but it's a small price to pay for a more competitive grid.

2. Cap total races to 18 a season. Makes every result count that little bit more, plus curbs these Herman Tilke clones being put up in countries with a tonne of cash to throw but little national enthusiasm for the sport. Monaco could stay, but it needs to be investigated if sections of the track could be expanded/ opened up (thinking the harbour front chicane) to allow more passing opportunities. Monaco, Silverstone, Monza and Spa should all automatically be on the calendar, plus races in Germany, Japan, Australia and other countries that have always had a healthy motorsport following.

3. Bring back the grid girls. Trying to appeal to sour-faced cat ladies is pointless. What's more empowering than allowing these girls to get paid to attend a prestigious event AND ad to their portfolio? If there's ever another female driver on the grid, get a couple of footy players/ male fitness models to be her "grid boys". Gender equality and everybody wins. Like I said, the sour-faced cask wine drinking cat ladies aren't going to watch F1 anyway. 

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Really praying Liberty Brawn do the right thing overall for F1.
Brawn I know would have the best interest in the game But Yanky Liberty I have my questions being typical American and Carey at the helm.
We shall see......

Mentioning LeClerc again yes so much talent and thrown in the deep end and coming out brilliant for me, especially being a Ferrari supporter.
I'm really looking forward to the future grids for incl CLC there is some real talent not just about how much dollars they can bring.
CLC 22yrs
Max 22yrs, what a ding dong battle these 2 in the years ahead
Gasly 23, not bad, probably got int he fire too early with RB
Sainz 25, ok he's been there some now but he keeps showing the promise to me, mclaren now on the up good fit
Albon 23, we can see his potential as did RB orchestrating the swap
Norris 20 !, impressed
Russell 21, sadly Williams is at the back but he's driving its rubber off, if he could get in a torro/Haas even Alfa




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Chris_AUFC - 10 Sep 2019 8:36 PM
Although still a fair way off, the proposed changes sound good to me. I read somewhere that Sauber's recent test on a scale model showed that the amount of turbulent air following the car under the new regulations would decrease from 50% to around 5% which is huge if it stays like that once the rules are in place. 

Ross Brawn/Liberty have their own aero guys on staff that have been trying to get around the proposed new rules without much success.  The 5% you heard was from a test the Liberty Group ran on a car they designed themselves trying to get around the rules.  Liberty are working really hard on reducing aero and focus more on mechanical grip and ground effects (neither cause much problems with the cars following them).  

So happy for Leclerc he's such a good driver.
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Although still a fair way off, the proposed changes sound good to me. I read somewhere that Sauber's recent test on a scale model showed that the amount of turbulent air following the car under the new regulations would decrease from 50% to around 5% which is huge if it stays like that once the rules are in place. 
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trouble is the major changes won't occur till 21.
https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/f1-2021-regulations-overview-by-craig-scarborough


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BrisbaneBhoy - 10 Sep 2019 9:35 AM
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Aye, all or this. With the current group of young drivers, the sport is in safe hands. I just wish 2021 would come around as I want to see how those changes (whatever they finally agree too) plays out on the tarmac.

Can't wait for these new changes,  whatever they will be. Red Bull with two great young drivers, mclaren rising and sainz and norris getting on well (re teds notebook at monza, funny)  renault starting to list,  le clerc is a star, vettel failing... not just a little but alot.
This season other than mercedes has been great. Hamilton is still a disgrace but we need villains.

Recent years all i could look forward to was ricciardo doing well or a laugh at force indias hitting each other or verstappen pissing everyone off.

The future looks good. 
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BrisbaneBhoy - 10 Sep 2019 9:35 AM
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Aye, all or this. With the current group of young drivers, the sport is in safe hands. I just wish 2021 would come around as I want to see how those changes (whatever they finally agree too) plays out on the tarmac.

yer I'm with you.
The last few seasons has really dragged down "racing" on the track so to speak, too much pit running the course of races and drivers just a pawn of telemetry - as much as tech is great we still need drivers to be the main driver of outcomes imo AND some of the rules on track behaviour has been ridiculous !
Hoping Braun makes sure were back to real racing.

Yer I agree re the crop of new young drivers, more than usual by the way which is refreshing to see - as mentioned just hoping these new rules pulls back MB/Ferrari being the largest spenders so as the mid teams can at east have more hope being competitive.


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LFC. - 10 Sep 2019 9:32 AM
Interesting watching pettels down cycle last 2 seasons.
Has hamiltons last 2 seasons driven his confidence down ?
The pressure being Ferrari lead driver last few seasons ?
Is he over driving the car now ? spinning out Monza error for eg
LeClerc's quick up rising this season to cope with as well ?


It's hard to say what's going on with him. But he hasn't been performing to his normal high standards the last couple of seasons.


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NicCarBel - 8 Aug 2019 10:53 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywbxGfE4mRg

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there have been a few races this season that have been great tbh, surprisingly to me for I was getting quite negative on a sport I have enjoyed watching for a long time.
I think the young guns are starting to get a grip bit by bit.
Max has had his moments.
LeClerc recently but he started out quick fromt he get go, now settling in.
Albon is rising.
McLaren is slowly getting back.
Not too bad.

Aye, all or this. With the current group of young drivers, the sport is in safe hands. I just wish 2021 would come around as I want to see how those changes (whatever they finally agree too) plays out on the tarmac.

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Interesting watching pettels down cycle last 2 seasons.
Has hamiltons last 2 seasons driven his confidence down ?
The pressure being Ferrari lead driver last few seasons ?
Is he over driving the car now ? spinning out Monza error for eg
LeClerc's quick up rising this season to cope with as well ?



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theFOOTBALLlover - 9 Sep 2019 3:25 PM
One of the better races in recent memory. Leclerc did an amazing job against Hamilton and Bottas.

With each passing race the more and more impressed I am of Leclerc.  An amazing talent.

As spoken before in this thread, the quality and quantity of the young drivers competing the last couple of seasons has been very impressive.

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scubaroo - 8 Sep 2019 1:08 AM
Qualifying was an absolute farce,  q3 was a disgrace,  not to mention vettel appears to have all 4 tyres off the track on his only lap and also appears that botas didn't set a lap time when clearly the red flags were out before he set a time. 

I feel like the only way to do top 10 quali is by giving them one hot lap like in other motorsports to avoid the shit that's been happening this year. Though i hate changing rules all the time. 

I burst out laughing, while at the same time shaking my head in disbelief as to how the qualifiers finished. Unbelievable.


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theFOOTBALLlover - 9 Sep 2019 3:25 PM
One of the better races in recent memory. Leclerc did an amazing job against Hamilton and Bottas.

there have been a few races this season that have been great tbh, surprisingly to me for I was getting quite negative on a sport I have enjoyed watching for a long time.
I think the young guns are starting to get a grip bit by bit.
Max has had his moments.
LeClerc recently but he started out quick fromt he get go, now settling in.
Albon is rising.
McLaren is slowly getting back.
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One of the better races in recent memory. Leclerc did an amazing job against Hamilton and Bottas.
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There is always a farce in todays sport, how its run and how they have kept tweaking the rules opens for teams playing to the game.
An absolute joke re quali.
As for the race, Grazie CLCrec - FORZA !
For such a young driver with just 13 races holding off both mb's Bravo !
The tifosi went mad as expected, first win in 9yrs at Monza how sweet it is.
Well done also to Renault and DR.
Up yours hamilton, you still can't be humble after placing 2nd, your a twat.


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Qualifying was an absolute farce,  q3 was a disgrace,  not to mention vettel appears to have all 4 tyres off the track on his only lap and also appears that botas didn't set a lap time when clearly the red flags were out before he set a time. 

I feel like the only way to do top 10 quali is by giving them one hot lap like in other motorsports to avoid the shit that's been happening this year. Though i hate changing rules all the time. 
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LFC. - 9 Aug 2019 4:30 PM
Wonder where Senna would have ended up if not passing away early.
Schumi hanging in there love it.

Have a listen to the Beyond the Grid podcasts if you haven't already, just before I launch into my theories on Senna if he didn't pass away. One of them derives from an extended interview with Luca di Montezemelo from the podcast.

Option 1: He stays at Williams until retiring in 1997 (age 37, I think?). Wins the 1994 title (Hill was only on 6 points before San Marino, I think Senna could have done better than Hill over the season, and really, only needed to score 8 points more than Hill over the rest of the season, technically). 1995, lets say Benetton breaks through that year, and then Senna runs away with the '96 and '97 titles, making him a 6 time World Champion upon retiring.

Option 2: Senna met with Luca di Montezemelo and Ferrari in the week leading up to his death in Italy, and as per the podcast I discussed earlier, would have raced for Ferrari in 1996 instead of Schumacher
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Wonder where Senna would have ended up if not passing away early.
Schumi hanging in there love it.


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Lewis Hamilton is top 5, don't worry about top 10. 


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There's a great video I saw that chronicles the top 15 or so drivers over the years, converting EVERY race to the current points system
No surprises who comes out on top
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Hamilton is Jacques Villeneuve without the poor team choices. He's a fast driver and a definite contender if we're talking all-time top 10 drivers, but his is a career that has to be looked at with one eye on the cars he's been fortunate enough to drive. He also has the advantage of being a British driver, which is where the majority of the F1 press are based. 




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yes hamilton - makes me sic.
I think Hock is working on securing holding more races in the future, it had better for me as well.
Can't lose these old majestic proper fast tracks - thats F1 at its finest.


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LFC. - 1 Aug 2019 10:25 AM
lol scubaroo, I get that from neutral supporters.
Just as we all like seeing the top money dogs suffer in football or whatever.
My ferrari support goes back to a couple things, parents came from there, Ferrari is one of the true F1 DNA of the past and have always had their own engines obviously, yes lots of money but that doesn't mean success always as we know and its a to die for brand being a car nut.
MB now are the Ferrari when Braun/MS ruled supreme, it hurts me but every dog has its day.


I dont hate ferrari like i do, mercedes, i think it has alot to do with Hamilton and tito though,  ferrari has always had this kind of majesty, you can't hate it, but its good to see them fail. 

I hope we dont lose the german gp, i abhor these tracks with the huge runoffs, france, abu dhabi etc... they are visually disgusting on tv and the lack of risk and punishmemt going off track goes against everything about f1.
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lol scubaroo, I get that from neutral supporters.
Just as we all like seeing the top money dogs suffer in football or whatever.
My ferrari support goes back to a couple things, parents came from there, Ferrari is one of the true F1 DNA of the past and have always had their own engines obviously, yes lots of money but that doesn't mean success always as we know and its a to die for brand being a car nut.
MB now are the Ferrari when Braun/MS ruled supreme, it hurts me but every dog has its day.



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If Mercedes wasn't in it,  this would be a fantastic season.

Its not so much a rainy race that makes our exciting,  though the drag strip right? But when it dries, then rains, then drains... they are the best. 

 Im not a particular team supporter (other then the 'hamilton please crash team'), though do follow ricciardo,  but there's Just nothing better than seeing mercedes and ferraris crashing out.

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Skipped the race last weekend after watching qualifying, and seeing both Ferrari's blow, and a Merc front row lockout. First race I have actively not watched since Suzuka 2014, and it throws this up ffs
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