My issue isn't with her being "at fault" and yes domestic violence is an issue that needed to be brought to everyone's attention. My issue is around the mentality that she is inserting into every single woman in this country. This mentality that Men are the root of all evil and every single one of us would bash and even kill them given the chance.

I don't know how you can possibly conclude that she is saying "Men are the root of all evil and every single one of us would bash and even kill them given the chance".

That is ridiculous - and the fact that this is what you took from what she has been campaigning for says a lot more about you than it does about her.

I'll bite.

Disappointing post from you.

I refuse to swallow the bullshit zeitgeist of our time. There is a big double standard going on. Shortly after the batty incident, a woman killed 8 of her children and it was washed away from the media with a simple "she was an ice addict". It was a far more hideous crime. Pretty sure Ivan milat killed fewer people.

Most domestic violence is related to mental illness and or drug and alcohol problems. I've seen plenty of bashed and beaten men in my time to know we're being fed rubbish. This is not just a problem with men.

Ive also seen plenty of kids abused by their mothers who get away with it.

Yes it isnt only a problem for men . But to accuse rosie battie of a crime because she felt safe knowing her son was seeing his father.

That's what I was commenting on.

Sad that people are using rosie battie as some sort of vendetta against domestic violence.she isnt the enemey. The enemey is the scourge of domestic violence and the fact it still happens and sometimes accepted as normal which is shocking.

Rosie batty has suffered enormous trauma that you wouldn't wish on anyone but that's why court orders exist. It's the friggin' law for a reason and no amount of sentimentality from Unobjective observers is allowed to break it.

I don't care if something is offensive or controversial. I only care about the truth. I bet you guys didn't know that women are more likely to kill their children than men are. Now that's controversial. Why am I saying this? Well guess what, we're not gonna get anywhere until we recognise domestic violence from both genders.

Calm down.

No one here is saying all women are innocent, all men are rapists and wife bashers etc.

This kicked off because old mate Roar#1 pretty much blamed her for what happened.

As discussed on the previous page and above there's a myriad of possible reasons why she let her boy see his father.

Seeing as you only have a 1.1 in 100 000 chance of being murdered in Australia and for all the reasons listed on the page previously, plus probably others, saying she is partly or wholly to blame is a harsh assessment.

Can you link a source for the child murder by parent gender thing? That is interesting.

I know that stat. Oh how i know to well about that stat. But saying its rosies fault for letting her son be murdered is wrong. As a parent yourself your partner /wife has to have trust in you to look after your kids. Same goes for ex partners

WGMG: Fox Sports commentators pronouncing Lewandowski as "Lee-van-dove-ski"

-PB

Sounds almost right. Should it be "Leh-van-dov-ski" rather than "Lee-..."?

Russell Barwick from Fox Sports News cannot pronounce Bayern Munich. He calls them Bay-Urn. He also pronounces Borussia teams as ber-iss-ia which is f*cking atrocious. Stick to reporting on egg-ball.

That stat isn't controversial at all - it is well established within the family violence context that men are likely to kill their partners, whilst women are likely to kill their children. That is a psychological difference between men and women.

Pointing out violence by men against women DOES NOT devalue violence by men against men, or women against men.

You sound like one of those "mens rights" idiots when you say we "have to recognise domestic violence from both genders".

Who is dismissing it?

The simple fact is that the VAST majority of domestic violence occurs by men against women. That doesn't mean we should ignore other types of violence. It just means that the highest focus needs to be on the most common problem.

You also state "Most domestic violence is related to mental illness and or drug and alcohol problems." So what? Most crime full stop has a link to this. What is your point?

At the end of the day the most common form, by far, of domestic violence is male on female. It is far more common than street assaults. Look at all the publicity on the "one punch" issue - but this happens far less than domestic violence.

We should be glad that finally some media outrage is actually focussed on a problem that needs the focus due to its frequency.

Just out of interest is that stat taking into account the fact that the vast majority of single parent families are parented by the woman?

Genuinely interested.



Edited by munrubenmuz: 9/10/2015 12:38:37 PM

Australia is clearly not ready for reality. There are many forms of abuse. Most specialists in the field would argue they are all damaging and few are more damaging than others.

The big ones are:

Physical
Psychological
Neglect (usually only applies to children or vulnerable people like the ill or elderly or disabled)
Sexual

There are others like emotional, financial, spiritual etc that are arguably less damaging but still matter. When you look at stats the first thing you should ask yourself is "how are these stats compiled" "Is there bias in the collection". It is true that most incidents of domestic violence are perpetrated by men but the difference between the genders is far narrower than what is really known.

Why is that?

When a man is abused in one of the 4 ways above, do you think it gets reported? Who reports it? The bloke himself? Does he even know he's being abused?

I know this is only anecdotal evidence but I have worked in ED's for the last 5 years in various parts of the country and the amount of physical violence I have seen perpetrated by one gender on another is about the same. Yep, its about the same.

I have seen women come in with black eyes and broken noses and its fucken terrible. Most of the time its from another woman, rather than a man, but I've also seen plenty of guys, probably just as many come in with cut lips, split eyebrows (usually from a thrown kitchen appliance), black eyes given to them by women. I saw one guy come in after his ex missus set her bogan dog upon him and he nearly died. I had another guy come in with a kitchen knife in his back after his ice addicted missus stabbed him cos he wanted to get clean.

Why am I saying this? Well none of these incidents were reported to authorities. None of these incidents became a stat. If an adult is abused, there is no obligation on our part to report it if the victim doesn't want to. None of the men ever want it reported. You could imagine why given they feel like they've just been heavily emasculated they wanna try and look tough and take in on the chin so to speak. We only have to report if its a vulnerable person like mentally ill, disabled, elderly or a child.

The way the hospital staff approach the problem is also the same. Thankfully when a woman is abused by a man a social worker and women's health worker is sent to the patient and provides a lot of support to them. This never happens with men, they just take it. The guy who got stabbed in the back? He was almost trying to laugh it off through gritted teeth trying to look tough with the staff almost sniggering with him.

The way the media portrays violence is also biased. Trust me it is. I'm not saying there is some conspiracy going on, its just through ignorance. You know that ad where the bloke on an ice rage comes in to an ED and head butts everyone? Yep, total bullshit.

I have never seen a man do that in an ED. Not once. We've had a fair few blokes come through off their tree on all sorts of drugs and sometimes they need quite intensive treatment and can be a handful usually because they freak out, but I've never been abused, never been hit, never been spat on by a male patient. Not saying it will never happen but it just hasn't happened yet.

The women though? We get one a shift who flies off the handle, kicking and screaming, throwing objects, drawing claret from the nurses. The girls on drugs are far more likely to be violent.

Now, none of this is to take away from the very serious problem of how frequent a female partner is murdered by a man. That is a massive problem that needs addressing, but in doing so the media has failed to recognise other aspects of what is really going on.

More anecdotes?

Well I also work mainly as a GP. I see probably an equal number of male and female patients who present with depression. The girls are more likely to present with an anxiety disorder. All serious issues that are thankfully being tackled largely in a non-gendered way. I must say that male depression is being portrayed well by the media with high profile cases like Buddy Franklin being handled well.

Whats interesting is how much abuse the depressed/anxious/suicidal men have sustained. What they say that got them to that point in their lives is often a bad relationship with a woman where they were psychologically abused. A lot were even abused physically. Psychological abuse is often by its nature very subtle and prone to bias, and its hard to report. When a woman is controlling a man we say things like "he's under the thumb" or "he's pussy whipped" and have a chuckle. But when a woman is being controlled by a man we get very wary. Often thats justified, but it can also be quite damaging subconsciously to men as well. And remember, more men commit suicide than women. That should raise a few alarms. We should be asking, why is that?

Don't worry, I also see a lot of women who come to me trying to break out of controlling, violent relationships, thankfully there is a lot more support for the women. In my town alone there are three women shelters which are fantastic but there's kind've not the same thing available for the men. Menshed is trying hard but they are often not that helpful.

One day I reckon this will all come out and we'll be a better society for it.

Yeah annoying as fark because then you have SBS that over pronounce things and call them Bai-yun Munchen or Batha-lona etc.

-PB

Bai yun? Fuck me :lol: hell i remember les pronucing jobe watson name as jo-bi watSon

Robbie Slater's pronunciations leave a lot to be desired.

One of my pet hates is "Nairly" instead of "nearly"

Every. friggin'. time.

I don't actually know for sure - the things I have read seem to link it more to psychological issues and focus of anger.

This for example is a fascinating and disturbing example of the type of abuse (generally) committed by the mother to the child:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome_by_proxy

Perhaps female psychology leads more to a twisted version of love, whereas men's is driven more by rage??? I am completely speculating. Its interesting though.

I didn't blame her, but the fact that the court order was in place obviously meant that he was seen as a threat to not only the mother but the son.

So how did the system fail her when she didn't listen to it anyway?

Edited by roar #1: 9/10/2015 06:46:57 PM

Ffs roar do you actually read what people have said? Or are you ignoring it to suit your views? Ffs as a parent you have to trust your ex /partner with your children or are you that thick ?

interesting anecdotes there
are you saying the media are ignorant? that doesnt seem plausible to me, they must have some data to back up their position, they cant all be ignorant. its not just the media, its government programs too, they must have access to data that you dont

Well if that was her choice, she shouldn't blame the "system"

And it's interesting that the last 2 Australians of the year have been victims given lots of media attention, I wonder if next years award will be a popularity contest again

I'm sure you've noticed who dominates the media these days.

The media is dominated by opinion based panel shows like the project, studio 10, even the today show and sunrise and Q and A. Who is on these shows? Experts?

Nope, usually dominated by minimally educated good looking journalists. To further their careers, they tow the party line. It can easily kill a career to speak out against something and go against the grain. They are populist based and dare not do anything controversial. Remember Yumi Stynes? Her career was killed when she made a silly comment about a VC winner. Social media outrage dictates policy these days.

Every couple of days you'll notice there is a new social media outrage. Someone says something controversial and all of a sudden twitter explodes as everyone feasts on the carcass to increase their e-cred. Its a modern day mob mentality and burning at the stake. You can almost hear the crowd screaming "off with his head" This was certainly the case with Scott McIntyre. This is how our society works now. Its not evidence based, its outrage based.

Governments in a western democracy will do what is populist. It would be political suicide to do anything different.

I very much agree with your summary.

In the media, opinion is often passed off as fact.

When it comes to refugees, all the media outlets were calling for Australia to take more refugees and it's what Australians want, but if you actually look at the polls that were running on the channel nine and seven websites, around 75% of the 30,000 odd people who responded said that we SHOULD NOT increase our refugee intake.

Ffs she has she blamed the system?? Get your blinkers off WaMackie.

From what i understand, she is going around saying more should be done to protect children, women etc. But what Roar is trying to get at, i think, is that something was done and she ignored it anyway. That is what i'm gathering from his posts though, i could be completely off the pace haha

Again we have no idea why she agreed to let her son see his father , maybe it is naviety but as a parent which ive said plenty of times you have trust for the mother/father of your children.