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11.mvfc.11 wrote:BETHFC wrote:JP wrote: How did you possibly come up with "he's basically off the hook" from "he should serve a lesser sentence than an adult?"
Either way it's still ridiculous. JP wrote: Of course he lacks judgment because he's 11. He's halfway through his education. He hasn't even hit puberty. His brain will keep developing for another decade.
If you're 11 and don't know better than to kill someone, you deserve to be put down because you're a danger to yourself and everyone around you :) But hey, don't let that stop you and the bleeding hearts of Australia for making excuses :roll: There are many types of murderers and killers with numerous factors affecting their behaviors and actions. Some murderers can be rehabilitated, some would never kill again without rehabilitation, some would kill repeatedly with or without rehabilitative intervention. Murders happen for all different kinds of reasons. Murderers are not from the same mold so how can you say that none of them can be rehabilitated? Some of them are sick, some of them don't know any better and some of them are just simply evil. Let's look at Norway for an example. Quote: Fewer than 4,000 of the country’s 5 million people were behind bars as of August 2014. That makes Norway’s incarceration rate just 75 per 100,000 people, compared to 707 people for every 100,000 people in the US. On top of that, when criminals in Norway leave prison, they stay out. It has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20%. The US (which has the death penalty) has one of the highest: 76.6% of prisoners are re-arrested within five years. Norway also has a relatively low level of crime compared to the US, according to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security. The majority of crimes reported to police there are theft-related incidents, and violent crime is mostly confined to areas with drug trafficking and gang problems. Based on that information, it’s safe to assume Norway’s criminal justice system is doing something right. Few citizens there go to prison, and those who do usually go only once. So how does Norway accomplish this feat? The country relies on a concept called “restorative justice,” which aims to repair the harm caused by crime rather than punish people. This system focuses on rehabilitating prisoners. Take a look at Halden Prison, and you’ll see what we mean. The 75-acre facility maintains as much “normalcy” as possible. That means no bars on the windows, kitchens fully equipped with sharp objects, and friendships between guards and inmates. For Norway, removing people’s freedom is enough of a punishment. Like many prisons, Halden seeks to prepare inmates for life on the outside with vocational programs: wood-working, assembly workshops, and even a recording studio. Take a look at Halden Prison, and you’ll see what we mean. The 75-acre facility maintains as much “normalcy” as possible. That means no bars on the windows, kitchens fully equipped with sharp objects, and friendships between guards and inmates. For Norway, removing people’s freedom is enough of a punishment. Like many prisons, Halden seeks to prepare inmates for life on the outside with vocational programs: wood-working, assembly workshops, and even a recording studio. Quote:Bastoy prison governor Arne Wilson- "In closed prisons we keep them locked up for some years and then let them back out, not having had any real responsibility for working or cooking. In the law, being sent to prison is nothing to do with putting you in a terrible prison to make you suffer. The punishment is that you lose your freedom. If we treat people like animals when they are in prison they are likely to behave like animals. Here we pay attention to you as human beings."
All of these characteristics are starkly different from America’s system. When a retired warden from New York visited Halden, he could barely believe the accommodations. “This is prison utopia,” he said in a documentary about his trip. “I don’t think you can go any more liberal — other than giving the inmates the keys.” In general, prison should have five goals, as described by criminologist Bob Cameron: retribution, incapacitation, deterrence, restoration, and rehabilitation. In his words though, “Americans want their prisoners punished first and rehabilitated second.” Norway adopts a less punitive approach than the US and focuses on making sure prisoners don’t come back. A 2007 report on recidivism released by the US Department of Justice found that strict incarceration actually increases offender recidivism, while facilities that incorporate “cognitive-behavioural programs rooted in social learning theory” are the most effective at keeping ex-cons out of jail. The maximum life sentence in Norway shows just how serious the country is about its unique approach. With few exceptions (for genocide and war crimes mostly), judges can only sentence criminals to a maximum of 21 years. At the end of the initial term, however, five-year increments can be added onto to the prisoner’s sentence every five years, indefinitely, if the system determines he or she isn’t rehabilitated. That’s why Norwegian extremist Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 people in a bombing and mass shooting, was only sentenced to 21 years. Most of the outrage and incredulity over that sentence, however, came from the US. Overall, Norwegians, even some parents who lost children in the attack, seemed satisfied with the sentence, The New York Times reported. Still, Breivik’s sentence, as is, put him behind bars for less than 100 days for every life he took, as The Atlantic noted. On the other hand, if the system doesn’t determine Breivik “rehabilitated,” he could stay in prison forever. To those working within Norway’s prison system, the short sentences and somewhat luxurious accommodations make complete sense. As Are Hoidel, Halden Prison’s director, puts it: “Every inmates in Norwegian prison are going back to the society. Do you want people who are angry — or people who are rehabilitated?”
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scubaroo
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WGMG: Massive argument with my bipolar boss today, weve picked up some new drop offs on my delivery and today i do it and i get back and get in the shit cause i took longer than usual. No shit... its extra work thats an extra 15km to the run of course its going to take longer, then in trouble for doing the usual pick up in which she says it didn't need to be done til Friday (its been done on a wednesday for 4 years) and I've not been informed of any change (there are only 3 people at my work, communication should never be an issue) and finally i had to deal with an irate middle man because my boss didn't do what they had asked them to do even though i emphasised and reminded her do it numerous times. Finally she tried to accuse me of clocking off later than when i actually finished when she will actually find that im more likely to finish later than i actually clock off.
I've never worked for a good boss in 20 years of employment. Do you naturally just turn into a complete c#€t when you get in a position of power?
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salmonfc
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WGMG: Dunno if it's insomnia or something else but I haven't had a proper night's sleep since January.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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BETHFC
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JP wrote: What a simplistic world-view. I'm guessing you wouldn't have a problem with mentally ill/insane criminals being treated, tried and punished in the same way as mentally sound criminals?
Over-complicating things makes no sense. We need to deal in fact, not find ways to make guilty people less guilty otherwise the judicial system isn't serving it's purpose. I have a problem with the fact that literally everyone has some kind of negating factor which is meant to take the spotlight off the fact that they've done the wrong thing. There's no accountability these days. There's always some bullshit excuse as to why I'm sure the families of victims feel so much better and safer knowing they were killed by a mentally insane person instead of a sane person. At the end of the day does it really matter? JP wrote: You don't need to be a 'bleeding heart' to see why that might be a problem - you just need to be thoughtful enough to look at the context.
Context is irrelevant when dealing in cold hard facts. An eleven year old kid was involved in a murder. I'm sorry but our judicial system is a fucking joke. Anyone with half a brain can see that it's 'gone soft'.
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RedshirtWilly
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scubaroo wrote:WGMG: Massive argument with my bipolar boss today, weve picked up some new drop offs on my delivery and today i do it and i get back and get in the shit cause i took longer than usual. No shit... its extra work thats an extra 15km to the run of course its going to take longer, then in trouble for doing the usual pick up in which she says it didn't need to be done til Friday (its been done on a wednesday for 4 years) and I've not been informed of any change (there are only 3 people at my work, communication should never be an issue) and finally i had to deal with an irate middle man because my boss didn't do what they had asked them to do even though i emphasised and reminded her do it numerous times. Finally she tried to accuse me of clocking off later than when i actually finished when she will actually find that im more likely to finish later than i actually clock off.
I've never worked for a good boss in 20 years of employment. Do you naturally just turn into a complete c#€t when you get in a position of power? Remember your boss probably has a shitty boss too
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scubaroo
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RedshirtWilly wrote:scubaroo wrote:WGMG: Massive argument with my bipolar boss today, weve picked up some new drop offs on my delivery and today i do it and i get back and get in the shit cause i took longer than usual. No shit... its extra work thats an extra 15km to the run of course its going to take longer, then in trouble for doing the usual pick up in which she says it didn't need to be done til Friday (its been done on a wednesday for 4 years) and I've not been informed of any change (there are only 3 people at my work, communication should never be an issue) and finally i had to deal with an irate middle man because my boss didn't do what they had asked them to do even though i emphasised and reminded her do it numerous times. Finally she tried to accuse me of clocking off later than when i actually finished when she will actually find that im more likely to finish later than i actually clock off.
I've never worked for a good boss in 20 years of employment. Do you naturally just turn into a complete c#€t when you get in a position of power? Remember your boss probably has a shitty boss too Nope theres only 3 of us... and she is the owner/manager. In this case, she needs to learn to communicate, she thinks that by her thinking something i must know what she is thinking. Since the incident I've been told she doesn't like the way i do the run and says that i do it slow however if i do it backwards 3 out 10 places would be closed when i arrived at them, i would waste an hour sitting at them. My way i drive past once place that is closed and come back later which diverts me 15 minutes but saves 45. However, with her being the boss if she told me to change i would even if it is stupid as she pays me and i like money.
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pv4
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Just ask her exactly how she wants it done and provide the results of her suggestions after you give it a try.
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Socceroofan4life
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BETHFC wrote:JP wrote: What a simplistic world-view. I'm guessing you wouldn't have a problem with mentally ill/insane criminals being treated, tried and punished in the same way as mentally sound criminals?
Over-complicating things makes no sense. We need to deal in fact, not find ways to make guilty people less guilty otherwise the judicial system isn't serving it's purpose. I have a problem with the fact that literally everyone has some kind of negating factor which is meant to take the spotlight off the fact that they've done the wrong thing. There's no accountability these days. There's always some bullshit excuse as to why I'm sure the families of victims feel so much better and safer knowing they were killed by a mentally insane person instead of a sane person. At the end of the day does it really matter? JP wrote: You don't need to be a 'bleeding heart' to see why that might be a problem - you just need to be thoughtful enough to look at the context.
Context is irrelevant when dealing in cold hard facts. An eleven year old kid was involved in a murder. I'm sorry but our judicial system is a fucking joke. Anyone with half a brain can see that it's 'gone soft'. Love how you didn't even bother addressing what i posted :lol: :lol: :lol:
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scubaroo
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pv4 wrote:Just ask her exactly how she wants it done and provide the results of her suggestions after you give it a try. Yes... ive done this in the past. Unfortunately like alot of other bosses ive worked for when you do what they say and it isn't getting the same result i end up getting my arse kicked again. It would be great if i could work for myself again but my health just doesn't allow it.
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BETHFC
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Socceroofan4life wrote:BETHFC wrote:JP wrote: What a simplistic world-view. I'm guessing you wouldn't have a problem with mentally ill/insane criminals being treated, tried and punished in the same way as mentally sound criminals?
Over-complicating things makes no sense. We need to deal in fact, not find ways to make guilty people less guilty otherwise the judicial system isn't serving it's purpose. I have a problem with the fact that literally everyone has some kind of negating factor which is meant to take the spotlight off the fact that they've done the wrong thing. There's no accountability these days. There's always some bullshit excuse as to why I'm sure the families of victims feel so much better and safer knowing they were killed by a mentally insane person instead of a sane person. At the end of the day does it really matter? JP wrote: You don't need to be a 'bleeding heart' to see why that might be a problem - you just need to be thoughtful enough to look at the context.
Context is irrelevant when dealing in cold hard facts. An eleven year old kid was involved in a murder. I'm sorry but our judicial system is a fucking joke. Anyone with half a brain can see that it's 'gone soft'. Love how you didn't even bother addressing what i posted :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm at work champ, sorry. 1 thing at a time.
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BETHFC
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WGMG: social justice warriors who post videos of cops brutally putting down a person and complaining about how brutal they are.
1) These videos never show what happened to get the cops near the person being handcuffed. 2) The fuckers always resist. It's like come on man, resisting will not achieve anything, ever. 3) Cops are lazy. They don't want to be tackling/fighting/restraining people. If you attract their attention, you're an idiot straight off the bat.
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Jong Gabe
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Wgmg: Today I learned how disgusting my parents' community really is and how lucky I was to be born in Australia. I have never felt more hate for my culture than I have today.
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salmonfc
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"9GABmeme420" wrote:Wgmg: Today I learned how disgusting my parents' community really is and how lucky I was to be born in Australia. I have never felt more hate for my culture than I have today. Story?
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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Jong Gabe
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No story at this time. I'm still in shock about this whole incident.
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scubaroo
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WGMG: was looking forward the an epic weekend but had a shit friday where my boss was again an idiot, she complained to the other worker that i take too long, that person looked in my hours book and thought that "no he's not taking too long " then they looked at it a few hours later an my boss had changed my hours and then later paid me for the Changed hours. So fucking dodgy. Don't know what she's trying to do. Went to the neurologist... changed my drugs again... neurontin now... not had it so should be interesting.
We had a festival in geelong on saturday went to that and was walking to a mates and had a trigeminal neuralgia attack, was supposed to go to the victory game but couldn't get my shit together... so have been sleeping on the couch... have to get myself together to get to work in the morning.
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BETHFC
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WGMG: The stereotypical 'anti-white' bullshit going on at the Academy Awards.
Could you just imagine the outcry if someone said here's Chris Rock and someone blacker, Kevin Hart to present the next award (in reference to Chris Rock calling Charlize Theron whiter than Emily Blunt).
I would be so fucking offended if I was Charlize. Like who the fuck does this guy think he is to make Charlize a part of this whole nonsense?
The reverse racism is strong today and bleeding hearts the world across will come out and clap their hands at diversity. Yawn.
Edited by bethfc: 29/2/2016 01:14:10 PM
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BETHFC wrote:WGMG: The stereotypical 'anti-white' bullshit going on at the Academy Awards.
Could you just imagine the outcry if someone said here's Chris Rock and someone blacker, Kevin Hart to present the next award (in reference to Chris Rock calling Charlize Theron whiter than Emily Blunt).
I would be so fucking offended if I was Charlize. Like who the fuck does this guy think he is to make Charlize a part of this whole nonsense?
The reverse racism is strong today and bleeding hearts the world across will come out and clap their hands at diversity. Yawn.
Edited by bethfc: 29/2/2016 01:14:10 PM You were being racist first - so I can be racist now!!!!! #equality snapchat that shit. Instagram warrior. like me on face book ect....
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BETHFC
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:BETHFC wrote:WGMG: The stereotypical 'anti-white' bullshit going on at the Academy Awards.
Could you just imagine the outcry if someone said here's Chris Rock and someone blacker, Kevin Hart to present the next award (in reference to Chris Rock calling Charlize Theron whiter than Emily Blunt).
I would be so fucking offended if I was Charlize. Like who the fuck does this guy think he is to make Charlize a part of this whole nonsense?
The reverse racism is strong today and bleeding hearts the world across will come out and clap their hands at diversity. Yawn.
Edited by bethfc: 29/2/2016 01:14:10 PM You were being racist first - so I can be racist now!!!!! #equality snapchat that shit. Instagram warrior. like me on face book ect.... it's only racist if you're white
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WGMG: got sunburnt so bad at Princes Park yesterday every moment is agony :lol:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:The Maco wrote:WGMG: got sunburnt so bad at Princes Park yesterday every moment is agony :lol: We should've met up! Blues got smashed, but I think we will get 7 wins if our best 25 can stay relatively fit. TBH we left at half time :lol: But Carlton are definitely better than this pre season, the forward line is a question mark but you'd be able to grind wins out against the other shit teams like the dons/saints/dees
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Bolton coming in has changed carlton for the better. He had tiven them a modern football plan. Mick is good but like sheeds he has been found wanting
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pv4
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"9GABmeme420" wrote:No story at this time. I'm still in shock about this whole incident. Does their community not know about memes or something? Chilling. But srs, all the best pal. Your FFT community will always be here for you.
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Carlito
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Wgmg : drove to work in tears. Have a uti and got to work buwas in so much pain i crumpled in a ball
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Wgmg : drove to work in tears. Have a uti and got to work buwas in so much pain i crumpled in a ball :shock:
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Carlito
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RedshirtWilly wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Wgmg : drove to work in tears. Have a uti and got to work buwas in so much pain i crumpled in a ball :shock: Its a fucking nightmare. Since i was hospitalised 2 years ago for it it keeps on coming back worse
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RedshirtWilly
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:RedshirtWilly wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Wgmg : drove to work in tears. Have a uti and got to work buwas in so much pain i crumpled in a ball :shock: Its a fucking nightmare. Since i was hospitalised 2 years ago for it it keeps on coming back worse I was going to ask if there was a way to get comfortable with that but nope don't think you can. What do you do for work?
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Carlito
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Manufacturing.
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Also the only thing for a uti is anti biotics and that horrid drink to stop the burning.
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Jesus, hope I never have to go through a UTI. WGMG: Woke up with a cold, pretty sure I'll miss my VET course on Thursday.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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RedshirtWilly
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Manufacturing. Ugh so can't even sit down. No cure at all?
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