It's vital to beat Germany in first game: Pim Verbeek


It's vital to beat Germany in first game: Pim Verbeek

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Erebus wrote:
Holman will be the highest scoring Aussie at the WC this year, just you wait.


equal top scorer with 22 others is my bet.
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no shit its vital to win the first game in that sense any game is vital. North korea are hoping a first round win also as are NZ
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Two completely different strikers, obviously Scotty didn't fit as the spearhead of Pim's system but thats not to say he couldn't have dropped in behind Kennedy to change the system up if needed.

I think Scott should be there and it's a real shame he isn't. There is no doubt that he has proved himself at top level which, as much as I like Kennedy, the same can't be said of the other forwards.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:

No he's not. Scott McDonald is. His goal tally in Europe proves that and has been preforming well at a higher level then Kennedy and has always been playing at a higher level than Kennedy.


He plays well in a 442 formation. He is completely useless in Pim's formation. He's good at scoring goals at his feet, but he's useless in the air. In our current formation, he's the worst man for the job and Joshua is the best man for the job. McDonald will get his chance to prove himself after the World Cup with a new coach. I remain unconvinced with McDonald even though he played in the Champions League. The Scottish League isn't what it used to be and the fact that he's now playing in England's second division and his side finished 11th isn't a good sign.


sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Yeah, he is a game breaker which is a reason why he shouldn't start. He's much better coming off the bench against tired defences.


Are you basing this entirely on what happened in Germany 2006?
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
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Really Pim. It's vital to beat germany. Well how about you pick a team capable of doing that and not leave our best striker at home when he might have made a difference.


Josh Kennedy is our best striker and he's in SA.


No he's not. Scott McDonald is. His goal tally in Europe proves that and has been preforming well at a higher level then Kennedy and has always been playing at a higher level than Kennedy.

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Exactly. Joshua Kennedy is extraordinarily underrated. Has anyone ever actually seen him play a game live? Jesus is a game breaker.



Yeah, he is a game breaker which is a reason why he shouldn't start. He's much better coming off the bench against tired defences.


McDonald may have bagged a heap of goals in the SPL, but Josh is in better form at the moment (8 goals from 10 games in the J-League so far) and has performed well in the system Australia plays.

Also, they've both made about the same number of appearances for Australia, Kennedy has 6 goals from 17 games - McDonald has none from 16.

I agree with you that Kennedy is a better option of the bench than starting, but if I was looking at my bench and had to choose between McDonald and Kennedy to get me a goal - I'd choose Kennedy.
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imnofreak wrote:

You honestly want JK to go back and defend when we conceed corners?
We're REALLY going to have 11 players inside our own 18 yard box?

That is a death wish. Sitting back like that will see us lose


Joshua isn't exactly known for his speediness and running the ball out of defense. I don't see how Joshua getting back for corners is a big deal. I think it's up to our attacking midfielders to go for a counter attack. Once the ball is contained and it's not a corner for the opposition, Joshua will be given adequate time to get back into position.
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Pr1mo wrote:
sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Really Pim. It's vital to beat germany. Well how about you pick a team capable of doing that and not leave our best striker at home when he might have made a difference.


Josh Kennedy is our best striker and he's in SA.


No he's not. Scott McDonald is. His goal tally in Europe proves that and has been preforming well at a higher level then Kennedy and has always been playing at a higher level than Kennedy.

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Exactly. Joshua Kennedy is extraordinarily underrated. Has anyone ever actually seen him play a game live? Jesus is a game breaker.



Yeah, he is a game breaker which is a reason why he shouldn't start. He's much better coming off the bench against tired defences.
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imnofreak wrote:
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Yeah, because thats EXACTLY what I want our lone striker to be doing at the WC. #-o


Whether we like it or not, Australia are not going to be dominating the match 99% of the time and sooner or later we'll have to conceed a corner or two. Josh is invaluable when it comes to this.

The Serbian's also have a monster striker and I can only assume bad things would happen if Joshua wasn't there to even things up.


You honestly want JK to go back and defend when we conceed corners?
We're REALLY going to have 11 players inside our own 18 yard box?

That is a death wish. Sitting back like that will see us lose


So someone else (with pace to start a counter - Kewell, Bresc, Vidosic, Ruka...) can't move forward while Josh comes back and defends?


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socceroossupporter wrote:
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Yeah, because thats EXACTLY what I want our lone striker to be doing at the WC. #-o


Whether we like it or not, Australia are not going to be dominating the match 99% of the time and sooner or later we'll have to conceed a corner or two. Josh is invaluable when it comes to this.

The Serbian's also have a monster striker and I can only assume bad things would happen if Joshua wasn't there to even things up.


You honestly want JK to go back and defend when we conceed corners?
We're REALLY going to have 11 players inside our own 18 yard box?

That is a death wish. Sitting back like that will see us lose
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socceroossupporter wrote:
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Yeah, because thats EXACTLY what I want our lone striker to be doing at the WC. #-o


Whether we like it or not, Australia are not going to be dominating the match 99% of the time and sooner or later we'll have to conceed a corner or two. Josh is invaluable when it comes to this.

The Serbian's also have a monster striker and I can only assume bad things would happen if Joshua wasn't there to even things up.


It's OK, Milligan can mark Zigic on corners....
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imnofreak wrote:
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Yeah, because thats EXACTLY what I want our lone striker to be doing at the WC. #-o


Whether we like it or not, Australia are not going to be dominating the match 99% of the time and sooner or later we'll have to conceed a corner or two. Josh is invaluable when it comes to this.

The Serbian's also have a monster striker and I can only assume bad things would happen if Joshua wasn't there to even things up.
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socceroossupporter wrote:
Pr1mo wrote:
sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Really Pim. It's vital to beat germany. Well how about you pick a team capable of doing that and not leave our best striker at home when he might have made a difference.


Josh Kennedy is our best striker and he's in SA.


Exactly. Joshua Kennedy is extraordinarily underrated. Has anyone ever actually seen him play a game live? Jesus is a game breaker.

Even if he doesn't score a goal in a game, he draws the attention of the opposition. He also defends extremely well against corner kicks.


Yeah, because thats EXACTLY what I want our lone striker to be doing at the WC. #-o
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Erebus wrote:
Holman will be the highest scoring Aussie at the WC this year, just you wait.


Football is such a funny game, wouldnt suprise me.
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Pr1mo wrote:
sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Really Pim. It's vital to beat germany. Well how about you pick a team capable of doing that and not leave our best striker at home when he might have made a difference.


Josh Kennedy is our best striker and he's in SA.


Exactly. Joshua Kennedy is extraordinarily underrated. Has anyone ever actually seen him play a game live? Jesus is a game breaker.

Even if he doesn't score a goal in a game, he draws the attention of the opposition. He also defends extremely well against corner kicks.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Really Pim. It's vital to beat germany. Well how about you pick a team capable of doing that and not leave our best striker at home when he might have made a difference.


Josh Kennedy is our best striker and he's in SA.
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Holman will be the highest scoring Aussie at the WC this year, just you wait.
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imnofreak wrote:
:lol: I would love it if Holman scored the winner against Germany. I would be cheering and laughing at the same.


+1

When Holman scored against NZ, my girlfriend was wondering why I was doing a Dr Evil laugh rather than cheering.
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Really Pim. It's vital to beat germany. Well how about you pick a team capable of doing that and not leave our best striker at home when he might have made a difference.
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:lol: I would love it if Holman scored the winner against Germany. I would be cheering and laughing at the same.
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Brett Holman should bag an easy couple against Germany. I don't know about his passing success rate though.
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GazGoldCoast wrote:
We must beat Germany! Yes! Love that attitude! Now let's take it to them!!!



Oh wait...


Who's gonna score for us? :lol:


Brett Holman, who esle \:d/

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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About bloody time that Pim started showing some confidence in his team - even if it doesn't truly exist, the team need to feel that the coach believes in them.
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We must beat Germany! Yes! Love that attitude! Now let's take it to them!!!



Oh wait...


Who's gonna score for us? :lol:
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It's vital to beat Germany in first game: Pim Verbeek

* Marco Monteverde, Johannesburg
* From: The Australian
* May 28, 2010

PIM Verbeek has wasted no time in setting Australia's World Cup agenda on the Socceroos' arrival in South Africa, suggesting an upset victory over group D favourite Germany was well within his side's reach.

"The most important thing for us is to win our first game," Verbeek said after arriving with his 28-man squad following a 14-hour journey from Melbourne.

That's easier said than done, even against a German side minus captain Michael Ballack, who will not only miss the June 14 match against Australia but also the entire tournament after injuring an ankle in Chelsea's 1-0 FA Cup win over Portsmouth this month.

And while Verbeek feels sorry for Ballack, he won't have any sympathy for his own team if its hopes of a second-round berth take a massive dent with an ordinary performance against Germany.

The Dutchman won't seek any excuses, saying the fact that the Socceroos were the first foreign team to arrive in South Africa and would play warm-up matches against Denmark (Tuesday) and the US tomorrow week at Ruimsig Stadium should have them primed for a big performance against Germany.

"We have given ourselves plenty of time to prepare and acclimatise to the local conditions," Verbeek said.

"The players will have to get used to the altitude and the warm-up matches will help us to achieve this. When playing in the World Cup, you have to prepare yourself and make sure the team is in good conditions."

Verbeek also hinted the fun and pampering was over after his players were afforded five-star service on the flight, stressing the Socceroos would be on anything but a holiday from the moment their first training session in South Africa started in Sandton last night (AEST).

"I want to say that we are very excited to be here in South Africa. I have been in this country about eight or nine times already, and I have always enjoyed my stay here," Verbeek said. "However, now we are here for a different reason - we are here to compete. I know it's not going to be easy.

"We have a tough group with some quality teams."

Decked out in their stylish Hugo Boss suits, temporarily replaced by unfashionable brown pyjamas during the flight, the Socceroos were relieved to have finally landed at OR Tambo International Airport after a busy week of not only training, but promotional appearances in Melbourne.

The day before departing, Verbeek admitted he might have pushed his players too hard before Australia's lacklustre effort in its 2-1 win over New Zealand on Monday night, but said it was all part of an extended and, to some degree, uncharted plan to be ready for Germany in Durban.

"Nobody has the real feeling of how it is to train for a few weeks at altitude, so we have to find out," said Verbeek, who will name his final 23-man squad on Tuesday.

"We go every day finding out what we can do, how much we can do, (whether we can) train once a day hard or be better to do it two times a day, not that hard. We have to find out.

"It's a very interesting experience, not only for us, but for every team coming to South Africa."

For World Cup organising committee chief executive Danny Jordaan, the Socceroos' arrival was also a landmark occasion and presented him with an ideal opportunity to stress tournament preparations were on track before it begins on June 11.

"We are pleased to welcome Australia as the first team to arrive in our country," Jordaan said.

Five-time world champion Brazil was due to arrive last night, with Denmark and Argentina to follow on the weekend.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/its-vital-to-beat-germany-in-first-game-pim-verbeek/story-e6frg7mf-1225872285193

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