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Listening to the groups of Mums chatting about the Socceroos at my kid's school yesterday morning was music to my ears.


That is exactly what we want! Mum's get the kids signed up to the local sides!
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Yup.

Pride has been restored. The Socceroos brand lives on. Hooray.

Bye, bye Pim.
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Listening to the groups of Mums chatting about the Socceroos at my kid's school yesterday morning was music to my ears.
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The fact that Max markson is commeting on the Socceroos is an achievement in ways, at least these 'media types' recognise us.

Edited by diego's son: 25/6/2010 03:12:55 PM
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and they did just that !
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Kevin Airs wrote:


That wasn't actually the point I was making, but history would have been on my side - NSL went into (further) decline after the Iran match until the NSL and SA died completely.

The value of the Socceroos brand is absolutely key when it comes to renegotiating the TV deal with FoxSports.

Two more insipid performances like the Germany game (not the result, the performance and tactics) will devalue the brand significantly.

The sport will survive - but the success and development of the A-League needs an improved TV deal. That won't happen if we repeat the Durban disaster.


Yeah, I kind of took this on a tangent I suppose, but anyhow...

I'd argue that Iran had very little, if anything, to do with the decline of the NSL. I think even some of the NSL's strongest supporters (rememberers?) on here would say there were clear and obvious reasons for the NSL and SA dying out.

The brand is important, but as you imply (I think) the brand is, or should be, connected more to passion and pride than results - otherwise the brand would have died out long ago. So yes, the brand will be damaged with another insipid effort - but not necessarily a bad result.

My point - possibly better explained on another thread where I've made it - was more to do with me bemoaning this 'future of the game' crap that seems to come up in media articles all over the place (mostly ignorant places, not 442) which never takes into account Australian football's staying power in the face of adversity.

If Darwin was right about survival of the fittest, then we must be a lot fitter than we give ourselves credit for...
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[quote=Ecce]But nobody wants to see HAL games live on FTA with thousands of empty seats in the background...
watch basically any NRL game played in sydney, that isnt a derby, or Canberra, or Melbourne, and you'll see the same.
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This is a great blog.

It seems 1. A win against Ghana will turn the whole campaign around and skyrocket the brand and

2. The FFA marketing crowd need to push the Socceroos as our ultimate underdogs.

3. And television is crying out for a weekly Football show like Sam, Santo and The other bloke to start bringing in the fringe dwellers.


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Gaz, I think we are 50/50 of getting a result. That's good enough for me.

The problem with the Germany game is that everyone kept saying in the media: Germany tend to be slow starters, hopefully we can capitalise on that.

Is it any wonder they came out all guns blazing, right from the opening whistle? Any chance of us capitalizing on a slow start was blown away by those comments.
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What publicist Max Markson fails to realise is that the Socceroos are a winning team. They do win more games than they lose. If you took his position, you would say that the Kangaroos would not be popular unless they won the Rugby League world cup. But more people place emphasis on whether they win test matches in judging their value.

Why has cricket Australia alway had a policy of bringing one strong team and one weak team to Australia for the cricket series? It's to keep them looking like winners.

The problem is not whether or not they are winners, the problem is that they have been made to look like world beaters.
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Ecce, it makes you wonder if we shouldn't be talking up the chances of a win against Ghana a bit more. I mean, as a "feel good" story....

Previous meetings:

18.06.95 Sydney Australia 2 Ghana 1

21.06.95 Adelaide Australia 1 Ghana 0

24.06.95 Perth Australia 0 Ghana 1

14.09.96 Durban Australia 2 Ghana 0

14.11.06 London Australia 1 Ghana 1

23.05.08 Sydney Australia 1 Ghana 0

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Really, if we had confidence in our team and our coach, we would see that we are in a pretty good position in our group, having already played Germany.

We find out tonight if Germany beat Serbia. If Germany win, Serbia are out and will not be desparate to win their last game. If Serbia win, then a win by us against Ghana will completely level the group and give all teams an equal chance of qualifying.

Ghana will be going for the throat because they know they face Germany last. If we can beat them, and Germany win, I'm sure we will all be very, very happy.
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Interesting article from Fairfax media along these very same lines (anyone there reading KA's stuff?):
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Socceroos prepare for their '$100 million' game
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June 18, 2010 - 6:09AM

Australia's must-win match against Ghana tomorrow night has been labelled Australian football's "$100 million" game, with much more than just national pride at stake.

Ever since their heroic performance at the 2006 World Cup in Germany, the Socceroos have been a marketing phenomenon, selling everything from breakfast cereals to gaming consoles.

After their 4-0 drubbing at the hands of Germany on Monday, Australia must win its next two games, against Ghana at midnight tomorrow night and Serbia next week, to have a realistic chance to repeat their 2006 effort and make it to the second round.

Publicist Max Markson said last night Australia's failure to defeat Ghana and emulate the second round achievements of 2006 would be a commercial disaster for Football Federation Australia.

"It's almost like an all or nothing game for them - it's a $100 million game," he said.

"If they get bundled out it will damage soccer's credibility in this marketplace and it will also, I'm sure, damage our hopes of hosting the World Cup in 2022."

Mr Markson said Australia's performance against Germany was a "reality check" of Australia's standing in the world game.

"Welcome to the real world," he said.

"This is how this sport is and it's not that easy to get through, let alone win the World Cup.

"The home of soccer, England, haven't won a World Cup since 1966 - sometimes the whole nation falls or dies on every single game they play, nevermind waiting four years for a World Cup."

In a crowded sporting marketplace, Mr Markson said there was a natural tendency for casual sports fans to gravitate towards the more successful sides.

But the global nature of football meant Australia's fortunes were more likely to fluctuate.

"If you look at rugby league, there's only really Australia and England and that's about it. Look at cricket and there's half a dozen countries - then you look at soccer and you're competing with every single country in the world," Mr Markson said.

"Everybody loves winners and in sport especially you love a winner - how demoralising is it to support a team that never wins anything? And that's the nature of soccer, the competition is so tough."

But even their demoralising 4-0 defeat and a possible early exit from the World Cup would not have too much of an impact on "Brand Socceroo", according to a leading sports marketing expert.

Sport Business Partners market research director Martin Hirons said while a loss against either team would be a set-back, it would not lessen the team's marketability.

"Don't forget, this is the global game and competition's tough when you get to this level," he said.

"If a brand is strategically thinking, it will look at an eight-year cycle and invest heavily in the Socceroos, rather than look at a four-year window, because you're rolling the dice in a lot of ways."

Mr Hirons said top brands would always invest in the biggest sporting events - and they came no bigger than football's World Cup and the Olympic Games.

"[The performance against Germany] is certainly not what the FFA would have liked, but the reality is that the actual World Cup has been going on for a couple of years now and this is the finals," he said.

"We're still one of the top nations in the world and we're in a tough competition."

Mr Hirons said while Monday morning's result left many football supporters feeling forlorn, it would not be felt in the FFA's hip pocket.

"The most commercially successful teams and even individuals are typically ones who have sustained success over a period of a few years," he said.

"Does the performance in the Germany game impact on the [Socceroos] brand? No.

"But certainly how they come out of the next two games and how they perform thereafter will be very important in expanding on their existing appeal."

Also in the mix was FIFA's decision this December on which nation would host the 2022 World Cup.

Australia is considered a strong chance to beat out rival bids from the United States, Japan, South Korea and Qatar.

"Even with a relatively poor performance at this World Cup, if December goes our way for 2022 it's a whole different ballgame," Mr Hirons said.

"So there's some anomalies in the mix at the moment and the reality is the team is incredibly well known in Australia."

But Monday's thrashing at the hands of Germany could also work in Australia's favour, with the scene set for a great off-the-canvas sporting tale.

"Everybody loves an underdog and we're definitely underdogs at the moment, so there's definitely an opportunity here - if we pull it off, it won't be the first time Australia's come from behind," Mr Markson said.

"When John Bertrand led Australia to victory in the America's Cup at Rhode Island in 1983, that was enormous and the nation rose as one that day.

"The day we won the Olympic Games in the 1990s, the nation again was overjoyed, and I think the opportunity is there for that to happen again at the World Cup."

Mr Hirons said a win against Ghana would keep Football Federation Australia in the hunt for the massive financial windfall.

"[Making the second round] would be an incredible achievement and would commercially set the FFA up very well for the next eight years," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/world-cup-2010/world-cup-news/socceroos-prepare-for-their-100-million-game-20100616-yg8x.html
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@Benjamin, I think this qualification series also saw Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane get bored of hosting the qualifying games. It was FFA's intent to maximise revenue from the matches but people started picking and choosing when to support the Socceroos.

I would like them to spread it around a bit because an Asian Cup qualifying game against a lesser opponent would be just as important to Newcastle as World Cup qualifier against Japan or South Korea would be to the capital cities.

FFA should give all A-League cities a share of the Socceroo pie to reinforce the football culture there.
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@ Gaz, Lol, well you are in a perfect position to work out how we can make a real connection between the two footballing nations.

The Japanese love coming to Australia do they not? We should reciprocate. We need an annual friendly with them which is also a cultural exchange. A long term friendship/rivalry.

I think hosting the Asian Cup in 2015 will be our first real opportunity to thank all of Asia for welcoming us into their Confederation. I hope Newcastle gets to play host because it would such a great opportunity.
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With regard to the next tv deal - there's another element that hasn't been fully taken into account... ANTI-CLIMAX.

In 2005, we witnessed amazing scenes, partly due to the sudden death nature of the game and partly due to the length of time since Australia last went to a world cup - and it was brilliant tv.

In 2009, qualification was far more muted, partly due to the ease of our passage into the finals, and partly because it wasn't 'new'. A bit of an anti-climax in some ways...

But the real anti-climax comes when the non 'hardcore' fans realise that for 16 nations, qualification rather than actually winning games at the finals, is the big prize. "Making up the numbers" IS actually something to be proud of.

A lot of non 'hardcore' football fans won't get that attitude. They'll disconnect from the qualifiers in the belief that once we've qualified, we'll just go to Brazil and lose again, so why bother? The same attitude shown in the press on Monday - why bother?

So we're left, as Ton.of.Bricks said, having to go to Asia and get a huge result in order to satisfy the non-football fans - and this will most likely result in the nightmare of the next coach feeling the pressure to avoid planning for the 2014 finals just yet - play it safe and keep the 'golden generation' on for one more tournament, etc. Short term thinking will prevail and the whole cycle will continue.
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Ecce, you don't have to sell me on the idea. My wife is Japanese, I know all about "building relationships"! :lol:
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Gaz, we have just as much important history with Japan as both England and New Zealand, and most Australians know this. My city of Newcastle was bombed by the Japanese! Australians seem to have no problem finding Bali.

Japan play the most entertaining brand of football in Asia and their stars play in their domestic league. We should capitalise on that.

What we don't have is a relationship with Japan yet. If we did, Aussies would embrace that relationship.

It is better to create real relationships with real people than put out a tag "Be Part of Something Bigger" with shots of A-League players running rings around players wearing Celtic and Barcelona jerseys. It is such a Con.


Edited by Ecce: 18/6/2010 01:37:24 PM
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Ecce wrote:
Skeptic, that's probably a decent summary but the main theme is that brand Socceroo for the last 4 years has been more important that team Socceroo and now that the World Cup is here, performances are determining if team Socceroo can live up to the expectations brand Socceroo has created and what are the unintended consequences of a disparity between the two.


And this too
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@ Ecce and ton.of.bricks,

I am not sure that your average eggball lover will properly appreciate a "journey into Asia" or even an Asian Cup win. To them, the real "enemies" are England, New Zealand, etc. They don't rate Asian countries as being good at football, so being better than them doesn't mean much either.

I think a bi-annual "Cup" contest against New Zealand, or an A-League all-star game (Aussies v Overseas), and more regular Socceroo games against European ("wogball") countries would be more likely to interest that segment of the population. Of course, an Asian adventure is still very appetising to anyone who already loves football.
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This tournament holds the viewing record for a Foxtel live telecast which was a game between the Socceroos and Japan and it's not covered by the anti-siphoning laws, meaning it will be opened to all bidders for the broadcast rights when the time comes to sign our new tv deal.


Having followed the government's review of the anti siphoning regulations, I can assure you there is an intention to include all Socceroo matches on the anti siphoning list, be it WC qualifying, the Asian Cup and qualifying, or other internationals regarded as of national interest. Friendly matches I've not seen mentioned, but I've also not seen them excluded as a separate item.
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Skeptic, that's probably a decent summary but the main theme is that brand Socceroo for the last 4 years has been more important that team Socceroo and now that the World Cup is here, performances are determining if team Socceroo can live up to the expectations brand Socceroo has created and what are the unintended consequences of a disparity between the two.

The discussion about A-League marketing is relevant because the FFA also control brand A-League and have been trying in the past to present it as if it were the European Champions League.
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skeptic wrote:
I think the thread has grown some legs away from the intended substance of the article.
Unless i'm incorrect, the article was targeting the finances the aleague relies on. The TV rights and their value, the reliance on the Socceroo brand as the major contributor to that value, what effect success or failure might have on the viewing popularity of the Socceroos and how that could ultimately effect the worth of the next Tv rights deal, which, of course, directly effects the future finances available to the aleague.

Do I read the intention correctly, KA?


Yup - that's pretty much it.
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I think the thread has grown some legs away from the intended substance of the article.
Unless i'm incorrect, the article was targeting the finances the aleague relies on. The TV rights and their value, the reliance on the Socceroo brand as the major contributor to that value, what effect success or failure might have on the viewing popularity of the Socceroos and how that could ultimately effect the worth of the next Tv rights deal, which, of course, directly effects the future finances available to the aleague.

Do I read the intention correctly, KA?
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I think what happens in January at the Asian Nations Cup will have much more impact on the next TV deal than the result against Ghana or Serbia.

Apart from the unexpected size of the defeat against Germany, nothing really much has changed in what we hoped to get out of the finals.

If we don't make it to the knockout stage, well surely we must have known as soon as the draw was announced that we were up against it and our chances of progressing from the group were not as good as 4 years ago.

The only thing that came as a surprise in the game against Germany was the final score and only because we thought we had put the days of embarrassing heavy defeats against top European sides behind us.

The odds of beating powerhouse Germany in a crucial game like that were slim and we knew it, as we also knew the games against Ghana and Serbia were the ones most likely to determine our finals' fate.

Nothing's changed.

The only way our progress in S. Africa would have affected our next TV deal or the fight of the Socceroos with the Australian Cricket team or the Wallabies for national recognition would be if the Socceroos had a chance to win the World Cup and failed.

The Australian general public and the television bosses like champions. They don't care if an Australian team or a single athlete or even a racing horse has nothing to beat to become a champion. A champion is a champion.

We can't win the world cup at the moment and become champions, even if we hadn't lost to Germany.

But our Socceroos do have a realistic chance to win something big soon and become champions.

There is another important tournament coming up in January, the Asian Nations Cup and we are among the favourites to win it.

This tournament holds the viewing record for a Foxtel live telecast which was a game between the Socceroos and Japan and it's not covered by the anti-siphoning laws, meaning it will be opened to all bidders for the broadcast rights when the time comes to sign our new tv deal.

Just imagine what it will mean for our sport if the Socceroos win the Cup and become champions of Asia. The impact something like that will have on the hungry for winners Australian public and television bosses is immeasurable. Who would remember then that we lost 4-0 to Germany some months earlier.

This is where the battle for national recognition and a good tv deal will be fought: in the Asian Cup finals next January, where we have a terrific chance of winning.

And in Australia a winner ...is a winner ...is a winner. That's all the public want: a champion.

Now put your feet up and enjoy the rest of the world cup regardless.


Edited by ton.of.bricks: 18/6/2010 12:35:24 PM
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@ItsCalledFootball Yes marketing is essential but it creates unintended consequences when the MESSAGE it sends is too far from reality.

Remember 2006, everyone felt the same way. It was just great to be there at the Biggest World Party and we hoped the team would make a good impression and the boys would do Australia proud. We went into that World Cup with the right expectations and ended up being pleasantly suprised.

Since then we have been bombarded with 4 years of marketing telling us how great the Socceroos are, to sell everything from friendly games at the MCG to Foxtel and Weetbix, using 2006 World Cup footage over and over again.

This kind of marketing prevents people from seeing our ageing stars for what they are and kept us in a 2006 World Cup Disneyland.

It is possible to change the message of the marketing to what it was back in 2006: it's great just to be there and we hope the boys will do us proud. the happy go lucky Aussie spirit, punching above our weight on the world stage etc.

@GazGoldCoast - to me the message for the A-League has to be that you can be fundamentally Aussie while supporting the A-League and not a sub-culture geek.

It has to show how, as Aussies, we can be taken on a journey into Asia and the world, because that is what we are really aiming for - again, just to particpate, not to dominate it at this stage. Asia has opened its door to us and we must seem to be very rude guests.

At the moment the Asian Champions League is almost an after thought and the fans are ignorant of its importance in improving the domestic game.

There needs to be more put into relationships with Asia so that teams like Gamba Osaka and Nogoya Grampus are well known by most Aussies. Otherwise, winning the A-league championship becomes the pinnacle in people's minds and we know that this just isn't true.

Television rights for Asian competitions, including the ACL and J-League (because we are in Asia) is something the AFL and NRL can't even compete with.

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There was another thread recently discussing how Asian FA rules expect all clubs to have junior development squads, something that does not happen very often in practice due to the costs. But certainly that's an area where the FFA could be encouraging (financing?) HAL clubs to grow. It would force the HAL clubs to work more closely with local clubs in order to identify talent, and provide an excellent development pathway leading all the way up to the Socceroos.

Also great PR.
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limnos2 wrote:
This blog misses a vital point...Yes thE Socceroos are a brand and yes success at the WC helps build the football brand,but the success of the A-League depends more on growing community bridges than anything else.
Irrespective of the WC, the A-League teams now understand the importance of tapping and comnnecting with the community(particularly the hundreds of thoudands of juniors who play and love the game each weekend),and Sydney FC is showing the way with free memberships to under 12's...bring the under 12's into the A-League family, make them feel welcolmwe, because they are our TOOL to future success.


Great point. The FFA have been putting all our eggs in the national team basket and it is a disatster waiting to happen, because whether its 2014 or 2018 or even 2022, chances are we're going to miss one of these world cups. World Cups come and go, sustained interest and passion is built on club football, and as you say some clubs are beginning to acknoweldge this.

There are two possibilities come December - we win 2022, and that will genuinely be a momentous turning point for football, or we lose 2022 and the FFA finally have no choice but to focus their efforts on club football - the only true way of sustaining and building the game. Maybe i'm being too optimistic, but both scenarios have their positives.

The whole "successful world cup = more interest in A-league" is a myth, because the fervour and frenzy of the world cup simply doesn't sustain into long-term engagement. Can anyone honestly say that in January 2011, someone will be attending a Mariners v Glory game because Australia played well against Ghana 6 months ago?
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This blog misses a vital point...Yes thE Socceroos are a brand and yes success at the WC helps build the football brand,but the success of the A-League depends more on growing community bridges than anything else.
Irrespective of the WC, the A-League teams now understand the importance of tapping and comnnecting with the community(particularly the hundreds of thoudands of juniors who play and love the game each weekend),and Sydney FC is showing the way with free memberships to under 12's...bring the under 12's into the A-League family, make them feel welcolmwe, because they are our TOOL to future success.
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KA, i was just wondering have you got any stats on how many players from the last world cup squads made their squad this world cup?
The guys from last world cup knew if they wanted they would be here. This is half the reason for the ego and the media creating what it has. If every world cup we turned over half the squad like i am sure most nations would then there would be no time to build the players ego's as they would not know whether they will make it next time. I still believe the current squad isn't far off our best 23, more the fact that other countries are producing more talent quicker. It will come form us as well as long as we look after the grass roots.
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