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General Ashnak wrote:was still a 50/50 call at best, it was a clear penalty - but I still do not think it past the 'deliberate' test. The ref made his decision based on the fact that Kewells arm moved so much after the ball smashed into the top of it rather than because he had a clear view of what occured.
If you want to talk a bout clear interpretations of the rules is there any leeway for a studs up late challenge from behind being anything other than a straight red? Thing is, if it was a penalty then it had to be a red card. Laws of the game should be changed to allow non-deliberate hand balls which is what happened here. A deliberate HB is one where the hand/arm moves towards the ball. A stationary hand/arm and a ball hitting it in a goal scoring situation is non-deliberate, but is still a red as the laws are written. In these situations it should be a penalty and a yellow. Dunno how hard that can be. What about a situation where a ball is smashed in the direction of a player's face and he raises his hands to protect himself? As it stands now it would be a red and a penalty, but should be a yellow and a penalty. If Harry was diving to stop it, then yeah, fuck him off with a red.
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gerson
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Giovanni Coppola wrote: Poll: Rate the decision to send Harry Kewell off against Ghana. Spot on 9% Unlucky, but fair 26% Harsh call 66% This is what the public are saying, you people who say it was a fair decision would be a minority
Minority think it isn't a red? Actually the general public of Australia is a minority compare with 6.5 billion people!
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gerson
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It was a clear red card and penalty. I'm sorry he moved his hand, maybe he should moved his hand behind his back instead leaning his hand towards the ball or he should have done a bicycle kick. He's our best player in a generation isn't he?
Cafu and Robert Carlos can do bicycle kick so it shouldn't be to hard for Kewell isn't it?
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he better play in 2014.
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General Ashnak
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was still a 50/50 call at best, it was a clear penalty - but I still do not think it past the 'deliberate' test. The ref made his decision based on the fact that Kewells arm moved so much after the ball smashed into the top of it rather than because he had a clear view of what occured. If you want to talk a bout clear interpretations of the rules is there any leeway for a studs up late challenge from behind being anything other than a straight red?
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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Denis Law
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Benjamin wrote:Giovanni Coppola wrote:Should Harry Kewell have been given a red card for handball in the Socceroos' clash with Ghana? Yes - it was deliberate 19.82% (9201 votes) No - he couldn't avoid the shot 80.18% (37219 votes) Total votes: 46420 How many of the 46420 voters have read and understood the rules of the game? A hell of a lot more than the people who post on here.
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Benjamin
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Giovanni Coppola wrote:Should Harry Kewell have been given a red card for handball in the Socceroos' clash with Ghana? Yes - it was deliberate 19.82% (9201 votes) No - he couldn't avoid the shot 80.18% (37219 votes) Total votes: 46420 How many of the 46420 voters have read and understood the rules of the game?
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Giovanni Coppola wrote:Poll: Rate the decision to send Harry Kewell off against Ghana. Spot on 9% Unlucky, but fair 26% Harsh call 66% This is what the public are saying, you people who say it was a fair decision would be a minority Yeah like 442 forumites make up the majority of football fans :lol: :oops: ](*,) :-" :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k
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Giovanni Coppola
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Should Harry Kewell have been given a red card for handball in the Socceroos' clash with Ghana? Yes - it was deliberate 19.82% (9201 votes) No - he couldn't avoid the shot 80.18% (37219 votes) Total votes: 46420
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:asurin wrote:I don't belive it should have been a red simply because the pace of the ball was such that he couldn't avoid it. Fair enough to give a penalty shot, but it shouldn't have been a red. Thing is once he gave the penalty he had to give the red he had no other choice. Precisely. It was a denial of a goal scoring opportunity, last man on the line. Rules are rules.
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RonnieWhelan wrote:norimike wrote:Anyone who thinks that was a red card is a C**t. . Then call me a c**t You're a c**t. Seriously though. It's a 50/50 decision and you see it turned down all the time. We were unlucky.
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norimike wrote:Anyone who thinks that was a red card is a C**t. . Then call me a c**t
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If the roles were reversed and it was a Ghana player instead of Kewell we would have still been calling the ref a c*nt if he didn't send him off. That's the breaks in soccer unfortunately.
In '06, -Cahill gave away a penalty at 1-1 against Japan but ref missed it -Kewell manhandled and abused the ref after the Brazil game and didn't get suspended -Kewell's goal Vs Croatia 'looked' offside so really we were 'lucky' to advance to the 2nd rd but 'unlucky' to get knocked out by Italy.
We were always playing for luck in this WC. That's what countries like Australia rely on to get anywhere. Hasn't gone our way so far.... but if Ghana beat Germany in the 92nd minute and we get a dodgy offside goal against the Serbs............
Edited by smfc and proud: 20/6/2010 07:56:38 PM
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Giovanni Coppola
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Poll: Rate the decision to send Harry Kewell off against Ghana. Spot on 9% Unlucky, but fair 26% Harsh call 66% This is what the public are saying, you people who say it was a fair decision would be a minority
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I was gutted that you guys couldn't put that final chance away, after playing so well with 10 I really thought you deserved the three points - other than optimistic long shots, Ghana really only had one chance on top of that penalty.
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It was a clear red - he made himself big on the goal line. Even at lower league level, if your on the line or even attempting to block a shot in the box, put your hands behind your back. Once it hit him in the arm and denied a goal while he was making himself big on the line, the ref had no other option.
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Bill Murray
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1) Harry should not have left his man to run over to the post
2) Harry braced his arm for impact instead of pulling it out of the way and just leaning across to block with his body
3) Harry is an experienced player and should know not to even RISK putting his arm near the ball in the penalty area
4) The shoulder is counted as part of the arm (this is a grey area, and depends heavily on the ref)
Conclusion:
Any experienced player should know that conceding an early goal is better than conceding an early red card and a penalty. Harry fucked up, and he put himself at the referees mercy. Despite the referee's shit overall performance, 99% of refs would have also given a red card, especially given his viewing angle and the fact that he doesn't get slow-mo replays.
We deserved the red, they deserved the penalty, it was Harry's own fault, not the ref's.
I thought the Aussies did well with 10-men, and if Harry let that shot go in without touching it, we could have easily come back (we still had 70 minutes to play).
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Hard to have any sympathy for Kewell. After 6mths off he was straight back to snarling at the ref over imaginary fouls from the second he got on the park. Its his own sense of personal entitlement that has ruined his cup..not the ref...Just shut up and play HK.
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spence wrote:Who says it was deliberate? in Serbia's first game against Ghana a player went to head the ball with what was deemed to be an accidental hand ball and only got a yellow card (and subsequent penalty). The fact is Kewell had little chance at that pace to move and acted with instinct, trying to get his chest onto the ball. He had much less time to think about it than the Serbian player, yet this constitutes a red card???? The difference between Kewell's and the two Serbians and the Algerian handball's is that they did NOT deny an obvious goalscoring opposrtunity Kewell's arms were in constant movement during him being on the line and probably did not work in his favor
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We let them in after our goal. When yoo go one up early, you try to make it 2, not hope to hang on for 80 minutes to a 1-0. Thats waht lead to the penalty, that and the fact that Wilky and Emerton let a man get through both of them tight up against the corner line. The defending has been woeful at times.
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the one stand-out at this world cup is the shit standard of the refs. the game before aus v ghana the ref was very reluctant to give a card and then you get a card happy ref what the? are the refs on a qouta system for giving cards?
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liverpool6 - i am not at all surprised that your a liverpool fan.
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It's a clear Red Card. The ball was going in and his arm which was away from his body stopped the ball going in. Clear prevention of the ball hitting the back of the Net = Red Card!
Reading 8 other global press including non speaking ones all have no doubts on the Red card or on the other referee decisions.
The only ones that are crying about it are the Aussie press and the three Monkeys on TV (Zelic, Ugly Bean Pole and the striker who cant score from 1 yard - What's his name?). Never heard some much crap come out like I did last night. Muscat also was talking some crap too! Should'nt he be doing Pre Season with Victory??????
Pim is the biggest joke I have ever seen. Has failed in every job he has and now he has done the same. At least he is consistant. He makes Mitchell and Merrick look like Mourinho or Guardiola!
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We have had the Graham Poll award. SBS can now bring us the Roberto Rosetti award.
The boys did well to bounce back after Germany. It is unfortunate that they were effectively playing 10 men against 12.
Overall the ref had a shocker. There were a number of decisions the ref made which could have been game changers. The game needn't have turned on the red card decision.
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Quote:'Gutted' Kewell praises team-mates An ambiguous decision by Italian referee Roberto Rosetti to send Harry Kewell off in the 25th minute of Australia's match against Ghana for deliberate handball has left Australia's World Cup campaign hanging by a thread. Speaking after Australia’s brave 1-1 draw with Ghana in Rustenburg, heartbroken Kewell pleaded not guilty to the offence but said he had to take the controversial decision on the chin. ”I am devastated,” Kewell said. ”The guy has killed my World Cup. He is the judge, jury, and executioner. I am devastated but that is football. You take the good with the bad. I have had some great moments and some bad moments. I didnt mean to get sent off but what can you do?” “I think the referee did have a look at the screen but once he has made his decision he has to stick by it. He is the referee. You can’t tell him what to do.” While Australia’s players protested the hard-line decision, Kewell revealed Rosetti told him to “just go” and he had to watch the remainder of the match in the dressing room under watch from a security guard. Kewell claimed he had been intending to chest the goal-bound ball away from danger but instead, it hit his arm. “If you look at the situation, OK, maybe it has hit my arm but it was not deliberate,” Kewell said. “I was only trying to get my shoulder out of the way but the ref made a decision that only he can probably answer. “Unless I detach my arm and put it somewhere else there is no way I can move my arm. “I didn't deliberately go for the hand, I didn’t try to handball it, I tried to use my chest, playing by the rules, but the ref saw it another way and was probably the only one who did. “Was it a red card? We have some decisions in this World Cup that haven't been red cards. “So why is this one different? I think that’s why everyone gets confused and everyone gets frustrated with referees because one minute they are saying this and this and then next. Kewell, who was starting his fist match since January, paid tribute to Australia’s performance before and, importantly, after - his ejection. “I thought the team set out to do what we planned to do and we got the early goal,” Kewell said. “OK, they started to come back a little bit but we got a grip on it, we controlled it. But a decision like that has probably haunted us throughout the World Cup. “That is football and you have to take it on the chin. “It showed today that we went out there and played the way we should have played against Germany and it is a shame we didn’t have 11 men for 90 minutes. “We had great support out there and it is a shame that they have come such a long way. It is a shame. I cant put it into words. “I am gutted.” http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/socceroos/news/1009499/-Gutted-Kewell-praises-team-mates
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Anyone who thinks that was a red card is a C**t. Read the rule as stated in the article.
'A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored
If you think Harry's arm being attached to his shoulder is unfair or unacceptable. And that he deliberately handled the ball you are wrong in both law and fact.
Watch it all you like in super-slow-mo. The event happened in real time, and should be judged in that. NO WAY he can get out of the way of that ball. Humanly impossible.
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People who are saying it was a deserved red card are wrong. Ref made some glaring mistakes, where was the lost time in the first half? I thought ball to shoulder is not handball. The Swedish commentators i was listening too were actually talking about the incompetence of the ref. If it is any compensation I think Australia earned themselves a reputation as real fighters and not cheats. The Ghanians have done the opposite along with the disgraceful Italian ref.
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So just as my faith is restored in Moore, he goes and gets himself suspended for the next match. Oh well, time for Beauchamp to step up.
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I hate to say it but after checking the slow mo a few times the Ref had to give him a red.
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