GazGoldCoast
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I just read John Terry in the Guardian saying the English will have a team meeting to "clear the air" with Capello: Quote:"If we upset the manager then so be it. If people need to get things off their chest they should do. If we feel that things need to be changed then everyone needs to voice their opinion. If that upsets him or any player then so what?" http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/20/world-cup-2010-john-terry-englandThen he insists: "On behalf of the players there's no unrest in the camp at all." Yeah, obviously. :roll: Meanwhile the French have imploded, the Germans flattered only to deceive, the Italians have dived in more ways than one, and even Holland and Brazil are just grinding out boring wins without showing much style. Let's not even mention Spain. And then we have the refs, who are starting to make the A-league guys look good... What's going on? The big European guns are failing to fire, if not shooting themselves in the foot. The Africans that were supposed to set this tournament on fire are instead playing boring, defensive football. Tha Jabulani seems to epitomise things, really. All I can say is THANK GOR for Argentina and vuvuzelas!!!
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Good post. Pretty much summarizes that FIFA have screwed this one in the bum pretty good. Can say this has been a great tournament for the All Whites though.
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Chilugal
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Vuvuzelas + Jabulani + High Altitude = Fail
...but very interesting
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GazGoldCoast
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notveryclever wrote:Pretty much summarizes that FIFA have screwed this one in the bum pretty good. Interested to hear why FIFA is to blame. Not saying they are not, but I would like to hear the Conspiracy Theory in full... Are the refs dodgy decisions always favouring the "big" teams and maybe Africa?
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RedsUnited
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And yet another day dawns, and another red card is given... *sigh*
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Bill Murray
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I've seen more red cards in the World Cup than I did in the last A-league season.
It goes to show that red cards are more influenced by soft players and officiating than hard tackles (which the A-league has a fair share of).
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Nah, I just think the unbreachable gap between Footballing powerhouses and the rest of the world is slowly being bridged.. really its been coming for a long time now, the globalisation of football has obviously made this so, BUT the likes of England, France & Spain etc along with their fans and media are stuck in the mindset of the past 100 years where they're meant to be unbeatable and shouldn't be troubled by anyone outside the traditional top 10..
Those days are way over, and the primadonnas of England & France along with their fans espescially need to realise this..
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Absent_doz_2259 wrote:Nah, I just think the unbreachable gap between Footballing powerhouses and the rest of the world is slowly being bridged.. really its been coming for a long time now, the globalisation of football has obviously made this so, BUT the likes of England, France & Spain etc along with their fans and media are stuck in the mindset of the past 100 years where they're meant to be unbeatable and shouldn't be troubled by anyone outside the traditional top 10..
Those days are way over, and the primadonnas of England & France along with their fans espescially need to realise this.. yes but no until a non european or south american nation wins the world cup then it will always be the same.
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Also this world cup unlike others is being played in the winter. Defenders don't get as hot and tired and are able to defend better for longer which makes the weaker teams harder to break down.
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GazGoldCoast
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Bill Murray wrote:I've seen more red cards in the World Cup than I did in the last A-league season.
It goes to show that red cards are more influenced by soft players and officiating than hard tackles (which the A-league has a fair share of). I am all for more read cards, as long as they are shown to the players who deserve them. That's not what's happening here. If anything, this World Cup shows an alarming decline in the worldwide standard of refereeing. Surely that's another good reason to introduce video refs?
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The refereeing seems to be getting worse the more the tournament goes on. I thought it was pretty decent at the start, now there are controversial decisions happening everywhere! :shock:
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GazGoldCoast
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Further to that John Terry quote at the top of this thread, Capello has just re-asserted control: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/21/john-terry-england-squadChelsea's captain. Screws his mate's wife and then screws his coach. Should never have been there.
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sydneycroatia58
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Brazil playing boring football? Did you even watch the match this morning, especially the second half.
Germany flattered to deceive they dominated Serbia after going down to 10 mean and would have won had it not been for Podolski missing a penalty.
People will say that it's all FIFA doing it to get as many African teams through as they can when only one has a really good chance of going through in Ghana. Eevery other African team has failed.
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The overall quality has been poor of the games. Players just look disinterested at times and probably want to get back on a plane and get home to have a break. There are many reports of boredom in the camps, stuck at remote locations, and this may be why you are seeing such team harmony issues. Add to the fact the ball does not do what it is meant to and the players have gone insane by those horns, and you have a big problem. Imagine 90 minutse playing with those things going.
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I don't know what all the fuss was about with John Terry. It was Wayne Bridge's EX GIRLFRIEND. The only betrayed innocent party was John Terry's wife. How the hell that suck Wayne Bridge would throw away the chance to play in the world cup over an ex only he can tell you.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:Brazil playing boring football? Did you even watch the match this morning, especially the second half.
Germany flattered to deceive they dominated Serbia after going down to 10 mean and would have won had it not been for Podolski missing a penalty.
People will say that it's all FIFA doing it to get as many African teams through as they can when only one has a really good chance of going through in Ghana. Eevery other African team has failed. Its a pity that the African teams have not done well, but its the way it goes. African football is in a state of confusion between playing their traditional ways and those of the European coaches they employ. It just does not work in any type of synergy. Add to the team politics and you have a game that is stagnating. The African players tend to do ok in Europe, but even then, some are overrated and go back home and are meant to be superstars and then can not perform. Ghana are in a position now that they look shakey too, with Serbia expected to go through instead. Serbia looks stronger than Australia and Ghana look weaker than Germany. It will depend on how many players are on the park, but at this point, I would expect no African teams in the last 16.
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GazGoldCoast wrote:Bill Murray wrote:I've seen more red cards in the World Cup than I did in the last A-league season.
It goes to show that red cards are more influenced by soft players and officiating than hard tackles (which the A-league has a fair share of). I am all for more read cards, as long as they are shown to the players who deserve them. That's not what's happening here. If anything, this World Cup shows an alarming decline in the worldwide standard of refereeing. Surely that's another good reason to introduce video refs? I think at times this WC is showing an alarming decline not only if refereeing but the standard of play. The good teams are drifting backwards and the lesser teams may have improved slightly. The equation then is a general weakening of the standard of play.
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Europe performing below their expectations when the WC is outside Europe? Nah, never happends.
Odd that at least one african team usually makes it out of the group stages. And here the only one that might get through is Ghana. (if Serbia dont beat us and Germany dont beat them. The bookies probably still have both European teams to get through.)
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A European country has never won a World Cup outside of Europe. I think, England/Spain/France and Italy not performing to their best at this World Cup is no suprise. A South American country will win this World Cup. Argentina have been fantastic, and Brazil this morning have just started to get into their stride. Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile are also raising some eyebrows, especially the latter two.
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davidtorres wrote:A European country has never won a World Cup outside of Europe. I think, England/Spain/France and Italy not performing to their best at this World Cup is no suprise. A South American country will win this World Cup. Argentina have been fantastic, and Brazil this morning have just started to get into their stride. Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile are also raising some eyebrows, especially the latter two. Chile have only beaten Honduras. Let's see how they go tonight in terms of eyebrow raising. Paraguay on the other hand look very impressive and are definitely one of those teams that you don't want in the next round. Spain didn't play badly in the first round just lacked that cutting edge I'd wait to see how they go tonight against Honduras before passing judgement. Also all those people complain about the lack of goals in the first round well that lack of goals has contributed to most groups being wide open going into the last round of games leading to some very exciting match ups. IMO I think Argentina will win it but Brazil really impressed last night the way they took Ivory Coast apart. I wouldn't count out Germany if they can get into the Round of 16 and get on a roll. They are a team built for the knockout stages.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:davidtorres wrote:A European country has never won a World Cup outside of Europe. I think, England/Spain/France and Italy not performing to their best at this World Cup is no suprise. A South American country will win this World Cup. Argentina have been fantastic, and Brazil this morning have just started to get into their stride. Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile are also raising some eyebrows, especially the latter two. Chile have only beaten Honduras. Let's see how they go tonight in terms of eyebrow raising. Paraguay on the other hand look very impressive and are definitely one of those teams that you don't want in the next round. Spain didn't play badly in the first round just lacked that cutting edge I'd wait to see how they go tonight against Honduras before passing judgement. Also all those people complain about the lack of goals in the first round well that lack of goals has contributed to most groups being wide open going into the last round of games leading to some very exciting match ups. IMO I think Argentina will win it but Brazil really impressed last night the way they took Ivory Coast apart. I wouldn't count out Germany if they can get into the Round of 16 and get on a roll. They are a team built for the knockout stages. True. Both Chile and Spain have only played one game, so we will see how they do tonight. Spain of course did not play badly, but with amount of chances they had they should of won. And Chile dominated Honduras, and could of scored more. The lack of goals in the first round is always expected though. Teams usually play quite cautiously to try and avoid defeat first up. i.e Uruguay vs France, England vs USA & Portgual vs Ivory Coast. Now we should start to see more goals I think. Argentina, Brazil, Germany and Spain (depending on result tonight) will be up there I think. Argentina and Brazil are my favourites. A World Cup Final between them two would be one of the best in history imo.
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A final between any of Argentina, Spain, Brazil and Netherlands would be brilliant.
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Europe: 8 wins, 8 draws, 7 losses (13 teams) South America: 7 wins, 2 draws, 0 losses (5 teams) Asia: 2 wins, 1 draw, 4 losses (4 teams) Africa: 1 win, 4 draws, 7 losses (6 teams) CONCACAF: 1 win, 3 draws, 1 loss (3 teams) Oceania: 0 win, 2 draws, 0 losses (NZ)
Of course European teams played each other in some groups. So much for Africa's WC...and Asia's doing rather well.
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DaWoo wrote:Europe: 8 wins, 8 draws, 7 losses (13 teams) South America: 7 wins, 2 draws, 0 losses (5 teams) Asia: 2 wins, 1 draw, 4 losses (4 teams) Africa: 1 win, 4 draws, 7 losses (6 teams) CONCACAF: 1 win, 3 draws, 1 loss (3 teams) Oceania: 0 win, 2 draws, 0 losses (NZ)
Of course European teams played each other in some groups. So much for Africa's WC...and Asia's doing rather well. Try average points per game Europe: 1.4 South America: 2.6 Asia: 1 Africa: 0.6 CONCACAF: 1.2 Oceania: 1
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davidtorres wrote:A European country has never won a World Cup outside of Europe. I think, England/Spain/France and Italy not performing to their best at this World Cup is no suprise. A South American country will win this World Cup. Argentina have been fantastic, and Brazil this morning have just started to get into their stride. Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile are also raising some eyebrows, especially the latter two. +1 Too often the pragmatic nature of tournament football creeps into otherwise overwhelmingly attacking squads. The reason that the South Americans are impressing is that they are attacking, looking for the win. Too many other teams are just looking to avoid defeat, which leads to the ugliest (yet most effective) types of football. Of course if Del Bosque unleashes the attacking Spain rather than the Spain that player the Swiss we could be pencilling them in as one of the favourites again. This World Cup should have been one of the best tournaments given that it was finally being played in winter. Players should be fresher for the full 90. I'm still waiting for the rest of the fireworks to go off. Or maybe I should watch some more of Maradona's press conferences.
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Quote:Meanwhile the French have imploded, the Germans flattered only to deceive, the Italians have dived in more ways than one, and even Holland and Brazil are just grinding out boring wins without showing much style. Let's not even mention Spain. Brazil played a really good game last night, and Netherlands results haven't been as good as their performances. I think that the teams are just playing extremely defensively this time around, the ball is being made a scapegoat. The additional money in the game added over the last four years has added a ridiculous amount of pressure to teams to win at any cost. It's exacerbated the diving (see De Rossi going down several times with not a single man within several meters of him), it's exacerbated the dirty play (see the Brazil game last night) and it's exacerbated the defensive nature of the games (see the number of 1-0 and 1-1 scorelines).
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Once North Korea take points off Portugal we'll be talking about their shitty performance, too.
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History really only tells us that unusual things happen. GazGoldCoast wrote:Meanwhile the French have imploded, the Germans flattered only to deceive, the Italians have dived in more ways than one, and even Holland and Brazil are just grinding out boring wins without showing much style. Let's not even mention Spain. All tournaments have examples of teams not living up to expectations: Spain in 1998, France in 2002, Czech Rep in 2006. Also some teams might start slow but still have a strong tournament: Argentina in 1990, Italy in 1994, France in 2006. GazGoldCoast wrote:And then we have the refs, who are starting to make the A-league guys look good... They've been shocking, but they probably always were. There's just more recognition of it now. The 1966 goal line decision, Hand of God, West Germany's penalty in the 1990 final and Korea's run to the semis in 2002 come to mind. GazGoldCoast wrote:What's going on? The big European guns are failing to fire, if not shooting themselves in the foot. The Africans that were supposed to set this tournament on fire are instead playing boring, defensive football. Tha Jabulani seems to epitomise things, really. Admittedly I agree, we thought the African teams would do better, but I'm starting to think peolpe just overestimated them. They currently have a combined 7 points from 12 games. In 2006, after the first 2 rounds of group games, they had a combined 5 points from 10 games. Regarding the European teams not dominating as they usually do, I would hope that's the trend we can expect, seeing that the sport is spreading into new areas, and these new areas are continually bridging the gap.
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People have overestimated the african teams. They're expecting them to do well simply because it's a tournament in africa. You don't see all the african nations playing insanely good football in the African Nations Cup, so why would you see them doing well here?
The European teams may not be dominating yet, but I'd say it will be an all-european final.
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From TWG's Micallef: Quote:World Cup image takes a dive 1Comments 22 Jun 2010 | 00:00
Fans around the world would be forgiven for feeling let down - even cheated - by the main events surrounding the 19th world championship of football.
Much ado about nothing: that just about sums up the FIFA World Cup at its midway stage.
South Africa 2010 has been a huge disappointment so far with most big guns struggling to fire in a tournament designed to portray the beautiful game at its sumptuous best.
And what about refereeing, which again is not up to scratch.
Too many shocking decisions by inexperienced referees have marred the tournament and those men in the middle who are abiding by the stringent guidelines set by FIFA have turned the competition into a farce.
There are so many yellow and red cards being dished out for innocuous infringements that FIFA has changed its rules for this tournament and decreed that cautions will be wiped out after the quarter-finals to reduce the risk of big-name players missing the final.
Referees are becoming like parking inspectors: the more tickets they issue the better they look with their bosses.
Despite its intentions FIFA is losing the war against simulation. Too many players are milking fouls and penalties by exaggerating body contact or falling over as if hit by a bus.
It is all too good to criticise referees but one should also remember that a major responsibility for the smooth running of a tournament lies with the players themselves.
If those misguided players who feel that gamesmanship and trying to get an opponent sent off are part of the game were to put in a bigger effort to play better and honest football the competition would be richer for it.
With the exception of some magnificent patches from Argentina and Brazil, the football generally displayed so far has been dismal, frustrating and downright sub-standard.
Euro 2008 was a 10 times more entertaining event from round one to the final.
The first World Cup in Africa, through no fault of the South African hosts, is leaving a lot to be desired.
And If things don’t improve dramatically, FIFA will find it hard to blow its own trumpet over its party in the Rainbow Nation ... although South African fans just won’t dump those bloody vuvuzelas.
The minuses have far outweighed the pluses.
So far no player, except for Argentine whiz kid Lionel Messi, has stood out like Zinedine Zidane did in 1998 or Ronaldo in 2002.
Most teams amazingly can’t string together more than half a dozen passes.
Finishing is generally poor so goals are at a premium, several coming from calamitous keeping or dubious penalties.
And let’s not even talk about the atrocious quality of free kicks and set-pieces in general.
But there is hope. The knockout phase usually brings the best out of most teams as they are forced to go for the jugular so the level of play should improve accordingly as we head towards the final in Johannesburg.
If not this World Cup will go down as one of the worst in living memory.
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/philip-micallef/blog/1010001/World-Cup-image-takes-a-diveAt this rate, FIFA will have to bring in video refs by 2014. I think we could be in for some brilliant football in the latter stages of this tournament (Argentina v Spain, Germany v Brasil?) but right now... Hmmn.
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