Joffa
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Quote:Actors marring the beautiful game-Les Murray As the World Cup enters its critical third round, it’s evident that some things never change and, as ever, the players are smarter than the referees. The grubby epidemic of conning the whistlers with thespian simulation is already worse than it was in 2006. The conmen are getting away with it, getting fellow professionals sent off and there is no retribution, not even retrospective punishment based on video evidence (which FIFA permits itself to practice). Kader Keita’s disgraceful con to have Kaká dismissed, thankfully didn’t have an impact on the game’s outcome, nor will the Brazilian star’s suspension affect his country’s longer term fate. But the play-acting has had serious affects on other games. On Day 11 a Chilean player conned the willing Saudi referee, Khalil Al Ghamdi, to have Switzerland’s Valon Behrami red carded. Later in the game no such luck for the Swiss when Steve von Bergens tried the same trick after a gentle touch on the neck from Matias Fernandez sent him to the deck, clutching his face. But to no avail. Fernandez stayed on and Chile duly won the match against ten men. Earlier, Greece benefited when Vasileos Torisidis provoked a stupid attempt by Nigeria’s Sani Kaita to kick out at him with an air-swing, but to which Torisidis reacted with a dive. The Nigerian was red-carded, the game turned and Greece won the match. FIFA has to act to stamp out this moral decadence which inhibits its capacity to further popularise football. With each World Cup football gets millions of new viewers, including Australia. Many of these new customers turn away and turn off when they see players get away with such blatant cheating. One has to wonder what in the world goes on at those endless seminars and instruction sessions the World Cup referees get from FIFA before each World Cup. Do they, one has to ask, get any tips on how to be vigilant of the con men who are tarnishing this tournament and the game unabated? http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/les-murray/blog/1010019/Actors-marring-the-beautiful-game
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afromanGT
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He's not wrong. The referees aren't sure what to do anymore and as a result they're getting card happy for EVERYTHING. They're getting it wrong, booking players for tackles that they shouldn't be and vica versa.
If they want to fix it, introduce a post-game review designed to punish divers. Or better yet, reduce the insane emphasis on the ridiculous amounts of money in the game.
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absent
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Yellow & Red cards should be given after the match subject to a review from referee officials, its incredible that punishment is dealt with so harshly in the heat of the moment yet those that are cheating and deserve the punishment much more, forever get away with it..
I'll assume FIFA don't want this as it opens a can of worm so to speak, i.e. if you deal the cards post-match therefore you would have to rescind the punishment dealt to the victim on the pitch and it starts to get a bit messy.. But if you ask me i can live with both punishments standing rather than the wrong one at the very least..
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skeptic
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And Foz doesn't agree with you Les. Well, he changes his mind more than his socks, so I don't know what's floating around in that vacuum this week. Be careful of what comes back to bite you, Mr Foster. Anyway....... Quote:http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/deconstructing-the-myths-how-the-beautiful-game-is-misrepresented-by-the-ignorant-in-australia-20100508-ukvc.htmlCRAIG FOSTER May 9, 2010 People who know little about football in this country are quick to pass judgment on the beautiful game. ..... and a vital lesson for Australia to learn. And that is, that most of the world plays differently to us. For the rest of the planet, this is simply an accepted part of the rich tapestry of the world at play. Here it's seen as a threat: 'Oh no, we don't like how those people in South America play. And how about that nasty Thierry Henry - didn't he cheat by using his hand in a match recently?' Yes, Henry was a shocking cheat against Ireland in the qualifier for the 2010 FIFA World Cup by manipulating the ball with his hand. But the wider issue is what this says about the French approach to life and sport, as reflected through their reaction to the event, which attracted broad condemnation. This is why I was pleased to see a negative reaction from France generally over the incident. It is important to recognise that Australian concepts of what constitutes fair play in sport are inherited from our forebears - and they are concepts which I passionately support. But for a kid from the extremes of poverty in many areas of Africa, Asia or South America, do you honestly believe that having clawed and scraped their way from nothing to the higher echelons of the game, that when an opportunity presents itself to achieve a result by cheating in some way, that many will not do so without a moment's hesitation? This is the reality of international football and something that Australian players understand very well, having been subject to all manner of surreptitious punching, kicking and gouging over the years. Yet it is not our place to lecture other countries on their approach to sport, nor to moan about this approach after the game, something which has become far too prevalent in recent years, but rather to get on with the game and to prove ourselves good enough to overcome all of these scenarios.
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afromanGT
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I can't for the life of me remember articles about guys like Di Stefano, Pele, Best et al diving. How can you say it's a part of the game when it's only become an issue today? And it's got fuck all to do with upbringing and desperation. Comparing an upbringing in desperate poverty in south america to australia. Why then are Brazil known for diving, but Argentina aren't? (albeit there's the whole hand of god thing...)
Just goes to show you how much of a plonker Foster is.
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skeptic
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Desperation is something Foster is very familiar with. To argue with the misguided myopia of a religious zealot requires the desperate use of lies, embellishment and hypocrisy, all of which just happen to be personality traits Mr Foster has in liberal quantities.
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Tyson_85
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The standard of refereeing and the amount of play acting going on at the moment is single handedly ruining this world cup, well at least that coupled with the low scoring dour affairs we keep seeing.
Les is right, the worse thing is that there is so much interest generated in the world cup and a lot of these new customers turn away because of the crap that is allowed to go on.
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jonzey
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Punish every instance of blatant diving with match bans after the game. In the heat of the battle the referee won't get the best view of everything, so they need all the help they can get. Most matches at this level are reviewed anyways, so this would just further the process.
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All FIFA need is the willingness to strap their balls on and use this avenue of punishment already granted to themselves as a post match review. Weed out the worst and the rest will step into line. I guarentee that if a player costs his nation a match through being suspended due to a dive there will be retribution meted out against him. But hopefully not as bad as Andreas Escobar.
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afromanGT
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jonzey wrote:Punish every instance of blatant diving with match bans after the game. In the heat of the battle the referee won't get the best view of everything, so they need all the help they can get. Most matches at this level are reviewed anyways, so this would just further the process. They've been calling for this for years, but FIFA sees it as undermining the authority of the referees. I can see where they're coming from, and you don't need the referees authority being undermined further than it already is. Football is the only sport where a referee/umpire can make a decision and the players will stand there and shout at him at the top of their lungs for the next two minutes and get away with it.
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jonzey
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afromanGT wrote:jonzey wrote:Punish every instance of blatant diving with match bans after the game. In the heat of the battle the referee won't get the best view of everything, so they need all the help they can get. Most matches at this level are reviewed anyways, so this would just further the process. They've been calling for this for years, but FIFA sees it as undermining the authority of the referees. I can see where they're coming from, and you don't need the referees authority being undermined further than it already is. Football is the only sport where a referee/umpire can make a decision and the players will stand there and shout at him at the top of their lungs for the next two minutes and get away with it. I'm a former referee and if I had these avenues available to me I would ensure that I used them as much as possible. Referees need all the help they can get, and if any post-match decisions were made by the actual field referee and his assistants rather than a separate panel I don't see how this would undermine his authority.
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afromanGT
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Basically you're going to get events where the referee has booked a player for a foul and awarded a free kick, only for the review panel to find that the aggressor didn't touch him at all and for him to be charged with diving after the match. It's not a good look.
Edited by afromanGT: 22/6/2010 11:58:33 PM
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Damo Baresi
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FIFA need to bring in a post game video review of each match in the World Cup. Players who escaped detection or punishment from the ref but are found to have engaged in violent play or cheating should be suspended for the next game or how ever many more that it deserves, depending on the deed.
This should lift the standard of refereeing because there will be fewer attempts to con the referee if players know they will be suspended for it. The sooner the better.
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roy law
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Di Stefano, Pele and Best didn't dive because in their era the tackle from behind was legal (these days FIFA want to make all tackling illegal); this meant that any who cheated were handed swift and brutal retribution.
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The fourth official should be made to watch instant replays of incidents and inform the referee, an instant replay of the Kaka incident would have clearly identified the acting involved. Such acting should receive significant punishment - immediate suspension from the rest of the tournament; or two games suspendend
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afromanGT wrote:Basically you're going to get events where the referee has booked a player for a foul and awarded a free kick, only for the review panel to find that the aggressor didn't touch him at all and for him to be charged with diving after the match. It's not a good look.
Edited by afromanGT: 22/6/2010 11:58:33 PM The first few times yes. But once a few players get (heavily) punished after the video review, the rest will get the message not to try it in the future because they will then know they won't get away with it. In time the desired effect will be achieved and the post-match video review will need be used less and less.
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Speaking of actors.... HEEEEEEERRRRRE's ROBINHO!!!!    More at the link: http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/the-many-faces-of-robinho.html:lol:
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