Rules May Change After World Cup [FFT Article]


Rules May Change After World Cup [FFT Article]

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That's actually an excellent adaptation of the concept. They've got those headsets already - use them.

What you need is those sensors that you get in library books....but in the ball. The ball goes through the goal, it sets off a sensor just like at the library...or K-mart if you will. How FIFA don't consider this a viable option I'm not sure.
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That's the one I forgot. Only problem with red cards is perception. You'd have differing outcomes from the different referees.

You'll have the same problem with penalties or dives.
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Just had an idea about a sensor in the ball. It has an alarm but only the officials hear it. I reckon that way it's a quick and immediate decision and no controversy and it's not to different to now just the referee has some added help.

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Not red cards? I'd like to think that a challenge could see Cahill's read rescinded.



That's the one I forgot. Only problem with red cards is perception. You'd have differing outcomes from the different referees.
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What's the point in an extra official (known in this sport as a 'referee', mate)? Can you guarantee for me that he is any less prone to human error than any other official on the pitch?

A sensor in the ball (akin to that of hockey) is not going to detract from goal celebrations. The alarm goes off, the players celebrate. A linesman still knows what is or isn't offside, the qualms here are based around the ball crossing the line and not being seen as opposed to the linesman not knowing the definition of his job.

The reason golden goal was eradicated was because too much money was getting involved in the game and both teams were happy to sit back and defend for half an hour and go to penalties in preference to dominating attack, getting hit on the counter and going out of competition.
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i really hope there is never goal line technology, maybe it works in hokey and tennis, but not in football. stopping the play to video review it will take away a big part of the glory of scoring a goal. and defiantly do not allow a number of challenges from each team, it's to American sport like that.
no challenges, no goal line tech. An extra umpire is the best way. and post match reviews for dives etc. I think they should bring back golden goal as well, nothing is more 'football' then the heartbreak and glory of a golden goal.
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3 challenges are to many IMO. I'd give them two because you'll get situations where the captain will just challenge everything.

My biggest concern is about creating stoppages in the game. You'll get situations where a player will commit a deliberate yellow card offence with 6 minutes left on the clock and his side up 1-0 and the captain will challenge anyway so as to wind down the clock. So do you stop the clock? And if so, what point do you stop it at? Again to reference an american sport, the NFL gives the coach the opportunity to "flag" where he throws a coloured bandana on the ground to challenge a decision, the clock stops at the point where the 'flag' hits the ground. Maybe implement the same thing here?
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I think it should only be for offsides, dives, goals and Penalties.

Not red cards? I'd like to think that a challenge could see Cahill's read rescinded.
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Personally I'd be having a 'challenges' system like in tennis. The Captain - and only the captain - gets 3 challenges per game. The fourth official reviews the decision and either confirms or revokes the referee's ruling.


3 challenges are to many IMO. I'd give them two because you'll get situations where the captain will just challenge everything.

Also if you give them challenges would there be any restrictions to what they can challenge. I think it should only be for offsides, dives, goals and Penalties.
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We will have referees going to the video evidence for even the smallest decision in fear of getting it wrong and wanting to shift the responsibility to someone else.

This is what my problem is. The referees get shouted at and abused enough by the players as is. You don't want to undermine their integrity further. I mean, if the referee can't make a simple foul call without help then what's to say that goal ruling was correct, or that red card was? What's to say he can do his job at all?

Personally I'd be having a 'challenges' system like in tennis. The Captain - and only the captain - gets 3 challenges per game. The fourth official reviews the decision and either confirms or revokes the referee's ruling.
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The goal line technology in ice hockey, isn't that the alarm type thing that goes off when the puck crosses the line. FIFA tried something like that in an U17 World Cup a few years back with a chip in the ball and receivers in the goal and it was a disaster, just hardly ever worked.

That's because they tried to use GPS to track the ball around the pitch. Don't put sensors in the ball, put sensors in the goal frame. Put triggers in the ball and if all 8 triggers under the skin at 8 different points of the ball cross the line, an alarm goes off. It's not a complex concept.
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afromanGT wrote:
Well, 'goal line' technology has been used in ice hockey for a number of years now to great effect. Definitely something could be done on that front. But you're right, you can't put the referee in a position where he's not confident to even make the simplese of decisions.


That's my biggest concern. Personally I think all technology will do is turn the game into a stop start farce tbh. We will have referees going to the video evidence for even the smallest decision in fear of getting it wrong and wanting to shift the responsibility to someone else.

The goal line technology in ice hockey, isn't that the alarm type thing that goes off when the puck crosses the line. FIFA tried something like that in an U17 World Cup a few years back with a chip in the ball and receivers in the goal and it was a disaster, just hardly ever worked.

The only way you can have more decisions made correctly as well as keeping the game from becoming to stop start is for extra officials. I'd trial it in some of the bigger leagues in Europe this season and then hopefully by Copa America 2011 or Euro 2012 it should be good for a major tournament.
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Well, 'goal line' technology has been used in ice hockey for a number of years now to great effect. Definitely something could be done on that front. But you're right, you can't put the referee in a position where he's not confident to even make the simplese of decisions.
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afromanGT wrote:
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more linesman compound the problem... technology is the way forward

+1. Who says taht one person is more or less capable of human error at this level than another person.

I'd like to think that FIFA introduce technology for this one. Not turn to people who will make just as many mistakes as the incumbent system.


I think technology will come in eventually I'm just worried it's going to make the game so stop start because referees will have a look at every little thing in fear of getting a decision wrong and being criticised for not having a look when they have the technology. I just don't want something like what happens in the NRL where every fucking try goes to the video ref basically.

What I don't like is people saying that technology would have made a difference in the England-Germany situation when it wouldn't have. Neuer played it out so quickly that there was no chance to stop it and have a look. Like I said what happens if Germany break away and score but the video says the England goal should have been given. What do you do then? Do you award both goals or disallow one and allow the other. An official on the goal line would be better suited for goal line decisions simply because they can make the decision straight away and the game won't be held up by having to look at endless replays, especially for ones that are very close.
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The Doctor wrote:
more linesman compound the problem... technology is the way forward

+1. Who says taht one person is more or less capable of human error at this level than another person.

I'd like to think that FIFA introduce technology for this one. Not turn to people who will make just as many mistakes as the incumbent system.
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The Doctor wrote:
more linesman compound the problem... technology is the way forward


Not really tbh. Officials on the goal line would help eradicate a lot of the poor decisions we've seen this World Cup.

The Lampard non-goal would not have been helped by technology simply because the ball stayed in play. What happens there with a video replay what if Germany go up the other end quickly and score before the official hs a chance to kook at the incident do you wipe out that goal to award the non-goal?

There's just to many problems that could happen with goal line technology. Goal line officials would be able to make the decision on the spot straight away simple as that it wouldn't interrupt the game like video replays would. The official could signal straight away that the ball crossed the line and problem solved.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 30/6/2010 12:14:59 AM
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Lets just have a linesman on every metre of the touchline, including the in goal. That way no technology, just more crap refereeing.

I'd hate to see football go down the "lets just stop play for a few minutes and check that" path. But it will happen eventually.

How about just getting good refs. Fifa and their refs are arrogant and in the poorest form for mine.

Edited by joeb76: 29/6/2010 11:42:03 PM
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There should be a replay system inside the stadium, and play should be held up while the referee consults the TV umpire. Maybe something unique could announce the decision to the stadium, like "Red Card!" with lots of bells and whistles.

I still think allowing players to pick up the ball would address the crazy decision in 1823 when association footballers decided to keep the ball on the ground.

Or maybe we should have time-outs? That would be great.

Also swapping offensive and defensive teams, like a line change.

And overtime to force a result in every match.
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I think more linesmen would fix a lot of problems
Have 4 instead of 2

1 for the goaline
1 for the counter up the far end
2 looking for offsides

Or use something like the tennis system. You only get 2 incorrect challenges and they can only be called by coach or the captain.

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more linesman compound the problem... technology is the way forward
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They should allow all players on the field to pick up the ball and run with it.
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Add another official right on the goal lines who just looks and looks.
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Whats the bet the sneaky bastard wont do anything. I wouldn't trust Blatter to sit the right way on a toilet seat.


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FIFA president Sepp Blatter may be open to the idea of goal-line technology after the World Cup finals.

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